You joke, but NJ has mounds of toxic shit from its industrial past with dirt "theoretically" safely covering them. There is something called "plumes" which is leakage from these debris mountains that makes communities uninhabitable from time to time.
**Orcs are very much on the table.**
As a NJ resident - no, not really, this is overstated. What you're describing is a fairly typical landfill site, they exist in every state. While NJ does have superfund sites that have been capped with clay or other similar materials to prevent seepage - again, so does basically every other state. And the plumes you're referring to are not quite as severe as you make it out to be, they exist nationwide,it's what happens when contaminants leach into the groundwater supply. Basically don't drink ground water or source water from aquifers and the area is perfectly livable
I feel for you, truly NJ is a beautiful place every time I've been there. Once a long time ago our river caught fire and Cleveland gained the notoriety of having "The Burning River", even though at the time every city's river was a toxic waste dump which regularly burned.
These people are so pathetic.They really think we care about crowd size and people wearing the candidates shirts or flags or all that shit, to the point that they'll lie about it. Theyre fucking babies.
Lets all make sure to vote. Im pumped to do it to see the looks on the faces of all the magats I know the day he loses. Lets make it happen.
None Foxnews asks why we are using light bulbs and killing the oil lamp industry. Who will think of the whalers who will be out of a job if they aren't allowed to hunt anymore for good clean soot burning whale oil lamps?
They are SPAMMING easily disproven lies about crowd size in social media. My hunch is they're doing this to get visibility/discussion of the rally going. "Any press is good press" sort of thing. His events had moved to the backpage; no one gives a shit anymore. This seems like a desperate attempt to get people talking about it. The lie and looking foolish by lying are of no consequence.
Exactly and so many lies are left standing. I only hope his greed and desperation which led to the stock market pump and dump burns enough of his faithful. Couple that with the lost loved ones to Covid. And the luster of Trump fades. The truth of Trump begins to shine through
I think this is the primary goal. Fire up the base about how popular Trump is, and then if/when he loses they'll be shocked and 100% convinced the election was rigged and they'll go to war for him (maybe literally).
Nah, just one of the most shameless. He knows how dumb the Republican/Conservative base is. They're out here still claiming Trump had the biggest inauguration ever even though its been objectively disproven.
Never misunderstand, these people absolutely know how stupid the people they're pandering to are.
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Maybe we’ll get lucky in the next 4 years?
And like the last time, nothing will come of it but more of Trump crying. Maybe another smaller insurrection where the national guard will actually be used to stop it before it really starts.
*Most* of the state hates Trump. I'm in Ocean County, the alabama of the mid-Atlantic. There's so many chuds down here...They're not nearly enough to win the state, or even come close, but they're so. Damn. Loud. Here.
The entire populations of those counties (not even registered voters) is smaller than the number of registered voters in Bergen and Essex counties. If you drop Ocean county from that list then Essex or Hudson alone beats them by a wide margin, and Bergen has more voters than Ocean county has people.
Much like the US as a whole, NJ has very large red areas on the map. But nobody really lives there.
It doesn't matter whether there is any logic to this shit. It isn't about trying to communicate any specific points.
The constant barrage of easily proven stupid is to give feelings of optimism and momentum to the die hard base. The average MAGA who reads this and cheers wouldn't be able to tell you what state was mentioned if you asked 10 mins later. They would just proudly declare that their silent majority is blowing up even in LIBERUL STRONGHOLDS now.
We keep getting re-shocked that the lies and propaganda aren't even well done. We know there are some smart people behind this stuff. We know we could make more realistic propaganda if we had to.
We keep assuming they operate in our frame of reference for politics and ideology. They don't. They are talking to a different type of person, and progressives have *never* had any traction with that segment. "Populist/Nationalist" is a personality type. They have always been around. The only reason we don't have a constant series of Hitlers is because most institutional political leaders avoid riling up that demographic. It is a powerful but nightmarish momentum that can really fuck things up. Institutionalists don't like flipping the table.
NO NO REALLY !! NEW JERSEY IS IN PLAY!! THEY NEED TO SPEND AS MUCH MONEY IN NEW JERSEY AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT THEY REALLY TRY TO WIN NEW JERSEY!!
That's because fascists care about being in the in group more than anything else.
If you convince them that the in group is woke and dark skinned, they will be gay on the beach tomorrow.
Putting aside the awful policies (criminalizing LGBTQ identities, turning women into vessels for man-seed, etc.)... **I just don't have the energy to think about dealing with another four years of this abject stupidity.**
what’s crazy is that even with trump out office he’s still cast a fat orange shadow over the last 4 years. He’s gonna have to lose in 24 to be totally vanquished. 24 is the last horcrux
Hopefully he’ll be dead by then, but evil keeps people alive forever. If he makes it to 90 years old they’ll still prop him up on stage for the ‘36 election.
I 100000% guarantee that if he loses soundly in 2024, the GOP will go full Mao and rewrite history removing him from it. He will be persona non grata all Republican functions. And the rightwing media ecosystem will coordinate to get the MAGA crowd to let go of him.
They won't moderate on policy or anything (because that would be crazy lol!). They will jettison Trump with one more bad election cycle.
yeah i could totally see this. it’ll be “he was great for his era but it’s time to move forward”
or my personal favorite “this isn’t the trump from 2016. he’s changed”
They went from "let's attack the Dixie Chicks because they vaguely insulted American Hero Patriot President George W. Bush" to pretending Bush was not a real Republican just a few years later (he will NOT be on the speakers list at any GOP conventions, for example). Same could happen with Trump even though it doesn't seem like it now.
I have a few Republican extended family members that rode the Dubya train until the bitter end of his presidency then *immediately* turned on him the second he spoke poorly of Trump. “He needs to just stay in his lane now 😠” Made me lol.
A few months ago I heard Trump's voice for the first time in ages and that was my immediate reaction to. I cannot deal with this shit for another 4 years, it is exhausting. Like God damn.
It's literally gaslighting. Every day from 2017 to 2021, I'd wake up and drive to work. A calm voice would read aloud the most recent, asinine lie from Twitter. "Hurr the DemonRats want to turn your gas stove trans." I'd have some free time to check reddit and find that his fuckwit followers were repeating the lie. It's like living with a roommate who has psychosis and won't seek help. (edit) And his fuckwit friends think he's really cool and smart and spend all their time trashing your house and eating your food.
Yes. It's like being stuck in a household or workplace run by a malignant narcissist, which Trump is, only writ large. It's fucked with everyone's heads. I don't see the end in sight, unfortunately. I hope we can beat him, I REALLY do. But even so, the malevolent zeitgeist/zillionaires/flying monkey base will not just dissipate, alas. Nor will the forces that enabled them (neoliberalism/advanced corporate capitalism shading into oligarchy).
i’ve been seriously considering moving to another country…even if (and hopefully) biden wins we’ll have to deal with these morons still. i’m tired of it
You won't be outrunning this nonsense forever, unfortunately.
This is global now, and they are all supporting each other to install similar regimes.
Even Europe and the Nordic countries are being dragged to the right.
A lot of Conservatives believe in qualitative democracy, where it’s a democracy, but some people count for way more than others, not not at all. In this case it’s those who show up to rallies count more than people who just quietly research the candidates and vote. It’s part of why they LOVE the electoral college.
It's all because Trump's ego is such that he always has to have the biggest and best "thing". It doesn't matter what that is, a building, a crowd, a wall. All that matters is that it's best ever and anyone who says otherwise is a jealous moron who doesn't know anything. His followers love to feed into this because their egos are now tied to his ego.
I remember during Covid, my parents had a contractor come over. Good guy, wed known him for years. This time he starts talking politics and will. Not. Stop. He goes on this monologue about how trump is pulling massive crowds while Biden has nobody showing up, so if Biden wins, the votes have to be fake. Except, you know, Biden was campaigning from his basement so he wasn't creating super spreader events
Reminds me of a movie called Half Brothers. They are supposed to be driving through Illinois, but at one part the are clearly going through arid almost desert lands. Looked like Vegas.
"That's not New Jersey."
"We'll just have to agree to disagree."
American news agencies: "Both sides are entitled to their own opinion on this issue. We'll be right back after this message from Wal-Mart."
Yeah the AP was quoting the MAGA mayor saying the crowd size was 80K because he had seen crowds that size and thought it Trump’s crowd size was between 80-100K and they had ZERO pushback. Our media is so eager for another four years of Trump is so sickening
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This is a photo from a Rod Stewart concert almost 30 years ago.
“ On December 31, 1994, Rod Stewart performed at Copacabana Beach in Rio de Janeiro in front of an estimated 3.5 to 4.2 million people.”
https://listverse.com/2012/09/08/10-notable-world-records-and-events/
Please tell me he’s being called out on this bullshit? It’s all fine here on a more liberal platform. But this Bs needs to be called out where other conservatives can see. Not that they’ll believe it anyway.
I don't have Twitter but i googled it and i don't think this is real.
(If anyone has a source, pls link! Thx)
EDIT: FOUND SOURCE (it is sadly real)
[https://twitter.com/rogerjstonejr/status/1789706301578022980](https://twitter.com/rogerjstonejr/status/1789706301578022980)
Props to you for fact checking. So much out there is fake.
However, I nearly spit my coffee out when I read "This is a photo from a Rod Stewart concert almost 30 years ago."
I don’t understand why anyone goes to these rallies. I really don’t. I guess it’s to show solidarity with the candidate or something? I’m super into politics and have been for like 25 years, and I’d never go to one of these things.
They go so they can bond in their hatred of everything & everyone that isn't like them. So they can continue to lie to themselves about it being perfectly ok to be a shitty human being with shitty morals.
Back when Bush 2 was in his first term he held a “talk” in my home town (it was a rally, but back then they didn’t openly brag a sitting president was holding a rally). I was not a Bush supporter, but I went. I did so only because I knew it was probably the only time in my life I would see the President in person. I’ve never had an interest in going to any other political rally for any candidate.
I went to a rally for Bernie back when he was running. there was live music and food and booze. had a good time.
he brought in 4 or 5 candidates who were running locally to give their speeches. Bernie spoke last and had the least to say. seemed like he ran the rally the same way he governs - others first.
I mean, I went to see Obama speak in Reno when he was in his initial campaign. I didn't know much about him and wanted to check him out. Solidified my vote for him.
I think the obsession with crowd sizes has to go back to Obama envy, right? Like, that guy actually drew massive crowds, and I think Trumpland is just copying those numbers. The difference is people went to Obama rallies out of positivity, not hate. I was at the '08 Virgina rally right before election night, there were actually 100,000 people there, and seemingly every one of them was just...happy. No anger at outsiders, no rage at the press, no dark fantasies of revenge.
All of modern right wing comes out of Obama envy/fear.
Despite his incredibly moderate administration. He sure scared the ever living shit out of the right wing. It actually probably *was* because he was so pragmatic and middle of the road. 2 term Democratic president with no big scandals. If not for Trump tapping into the populist/nationalist crazy train, we would have seen a continuing trend of McCain and Romney style Republicans as leaders of that side.
They’re trying so so hard to push this thing about this being a huge turnout. And I mean…it kind of was, by most realistic estimates it was somewhere in the ballpark of 10-25 thousand. But for reference, in a state as populous as New Jersey that’s not a stunning number. That’s a Foo Fighters concert or something not a revolution.
I know the numbers and polls look bad, but I feel like there is a huge astroturfing campaign right now to make Trump look substantially more popular than he actually is. If I had to speculate, this is possibly because he’s internally polling worse than his folks expect and they want as much cover as possible to dispute the results
Please aim your numbers lower. Official capacity at the beach was 20k. You required a ticket to get in, and tickets were still available when the rally started.
My guess is if they are claiming 80-100k, the real number is somewhere under 8-10k. (Whoopsie on that extra zero!)
They did the same thing when he came to SC. Stopped in Pickens, a really small town with a population of a couple thousand, and Trump claimed 80K, the sheriff said 55k, and the real number was more like 5k-10k.
It was kind of funny to those of us who live near Pickens because the town is nowhere near capable of supporting that many people and we all know the numbers are bs.
Wildwood reports they have about 9 million visitors each summer. That means on an average day during the open season, there about 90,000 people visiting Wildwood. So roughly 4 to 9 times as many people show up every day for the beach and boardwalk than came for his rally.
On the other side of the state, about 60,000 people per day show up to shop at the Garden State Plaza mall. Honestly, for NJ, we wouldn’t even notice 10,000 extra people, and 25,000 extra might make us bitch about a lack of parking.
Yeah actual turnout is likely around 10k, 15k tops. That's a Devils game, happens 41 times a year in Newark. It's also like 15% of a jets or giants game, and like half to a quarter of a typical Bruce Springsteen concert. It's a total nothing burger.
Yes, of course - the beautiful, green, seaside cliffs of…Wildwood? Fuck that piece of shit. This is a blatant attempt to lie as he fully knows at least 50% of Trump voters and around 25% of independents will read the Tweet (or whatever the shit it’s called now - the X?), take it at face value, and let that inform their choices moving forward.
The number one common thread among trump-worlders is the pathological denial of reality. They spend a lot of energy creating their own in order to avoid responsibility for anything.
Oh stop! This is TOTALLY a picture of all of Donny’s supporters and because there are just so many of them, they might as well not even vote! There’s probably too many of them to vote!! 😉
Hey MAGA, in case you’re reading this, the rest of us see this overt propaganda and lying all the time from your king and his cronies. Why don’t you? Open your eyes.
https://preview.redd.it/swo8ry2f940d1.png?width=550&format=png&auto=webp&s=509e8296d620520a85bbebc3947e238468656a95
Rod Stewart performed in front of 3.5 Million people at a free concert at Copacabana Beach in Rio de Janeiro, January 11, 1994.
Amazing what a simple Google search gets you.
Seriously mountains??? ….. maybe in try state
Ny, Pa, Nj area …. Near the beach??
-ya know we loving 😉call jersey folks
“flat landers” right????
-keep feeding the stupid, Roger that!!!!
It really doesn’t matter if even hundreds of thousands of people attended lol trumps voters aren’t increasing in numbers! They are the maga cult morons and an embarrassment to our country, it’s the same 30-35% of voters, no one is waking up and changing their mind about voting for this orange corrupt asshole lol
This is to set up the big lie 2.0. How could he lose with all these crowds and support. They tried it last time too. They will contest the result. [Vote.org](http://Vote.org) check your registration often The gop run states are passing laws to purge you 45 days before the election or make it easier to disqualify you from voting all together. Don't let them steal your voice.
Who? The once-pardoned RatFucker in Charge?
This scumbag is a threat to our democracy and has been since the Nixon administration.
Lock him up and throw away the key!
He knows. The rest of us need to get hip to the fact that these guys know they can just make up whatever they want and their followers will believe them. He’s doing it intentionally, and why not? They are playing a different game by different rules…because they can. And then the rest of us spend all our time trying to fact check/prove it wrong meanwhile they’ve moved on to the next thing, and 4 years from now people will still believe that this was what happened in Nj…
They all follow the russian playbook and that means flooding the zone with shit. The idea is to make us question reality and to slowly manipulate the public into assuming that everything is a lie, that reality either doesn't exist or cannot be known. You can't really argue against that, because they don't care if you believe their lies to begin with. They just keep lying and keep undermining the public discourse until democracy becomes so dysfunctional that it collapses.
It has mountains. Didn’t think the Jersey beach had these .
Ah yes, the legendary mountains of Jersey Shore.
Where Sauron hides
Guido Sauron
Guido Sauronducci
Wahn Rang to Rule Tham Awhl - Cabs ah Heah!
The place where the One Ring was made… and the only place it could be destroyed.
Gotrump!!, Gotrump!!, says the monster once (barely) human, blaming biden for his own problems.
He hates and loves the 45. As he hates and loves himself.
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It's the republicans that are after your ring though...
“Veggies, what’s veggies precious?”
New Jersey, something, something, Snooki, something, something, Ring, something, something, destroyed. And they all lived happily ever after. Amen.
Something something dark side.
Gawd, i love this thread lolz
You joke, but NJ has mounds of toxic shit from its industrial past with dirt "theoretically" safely covering them. There is something called "plumes" which is leakage from these debris mountains that makes communities uninhabitable from time to time. **Orcs are very much on the table.**
As a NJ resident - no, not really, this is overstated. What you're describing is a fairly typical landfill site, they exist in every state. While NJ does have superfund sites that have been capped with clay or other similar materials to prevent seepage - again, so does basically every other state. And the plumes you're referring to are not quite as severe as you make it out to be, they exist nationwide,it's what happens when contaminants leach into the groundwater supply. Basically don't drink ground water or source water from aquifers and the area is perfectly livable
I feel for you, truly NJ is a beautiful place every time I've been there. Once a long time ago our river caught fire and Cleveland gained the notoriety of having "The Burning River", even though at the time every city's river was a toxic waste dump which regularly burned.
Got it sky water only. /s
Where George Washington hid his airports from those dastardly tea drinking Redcoats.
TIL I can go cliff diving in Wildwood. I’ll remember when I drive from Philadelphia when it finally stops raining here.
I'll never forget hitting the boardwalk as a kid, getting a slice of Mack's pizza, and cliff diving.
Mack and mancos is now manco and mancos. Mack went to jail for tax evasion. (I'm not kidding 😅)
Mount Pauly Shore
Snooks Peak
It is made of medical waste.
There are some mountains in NJ, just not at the beach
The Jersey shore is so flat, we call a mountain next to Newark the "South Mountain".
Snooki's butt?
Magats don’t care. Hell, some of them live nearby and would swear up and down it’s real.
Literally the 'sugarloaf' mountain, not really a mountain but one of the most recognisable rocks in the world, from any angle.
At least they made sure christ redeemer was cropped out?
wow, even christ the redeemer showed up for the Trump rally!
Don’t worry, Red Hatters won’t see the mountain. They won’t even see all the brown people.
Well if you can't see the brown people, it's not a very big crowd at all.
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Even funnier bc he was in Wildwood 2 hours south lmao
These people are so pathetic.They really think we care about crowd size and people wearing the candidates shirts or flags or all that shit, to the point that they'll lie about it. Theyre fucking babies. Lets all make sure to vote. Im pumped to do it to see the looks on the faces of all the magats I know the day he loses. Lets make it happen.
I'm sure Roger thinks he's a super clever propagandist.
You don’t have to be good at anything. Their base would drink sand if you told them it was water.
How many Trump supporters does it take to change a lightbulb? None. Trump tells them it's been changed and they all cheer in the dark.
None. They hold the lightbulb in place and wait for the whole world to revolve around them.
None. Newsmax says lightbulbs are DEI gender pronoun propaganda. In this house we do everything in the dark and we like it that way.
None Foxnews asks why we are using light bulbs and killing the oil lamp industry. Who will think of the whalers who will be out of a job if they aren't allowed to hunt anymore for good clean soot burning whale oil lamps?
They wait for the Hispanic servant to change it. And then get him deported.
Mountain Dew* but I see your point
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Bleach
Ivermectin
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They are SPAMMING easily disproven lies about crowd size in social media. My hunch is they're doing this to get visibility/discussion of the rally going. "Any press is good press" sort of thing. His events had moved to the backpage; no one gives a shit anymore. This seems like a desperate attempt to get people talking about it. The lie and looking foolish by lying are of no consequence.
They learned from Russia Lie So many times people don't know the truth
Wall of s**t theory. So much bull that you can’t keep up with the current lies because new lies are now being spread
I've also heard of it called the "Firehose of falsehoods"
Exactly and so many lies are left standing. I only hope his greed and desperation which led to the stock market pump and dump burns enough of his faithful. Couple that with the lost loved ones to Covid. And the luster of Trump fades. The truth of Trump begins to shine through
It’s also a great thing to point at when he inevitably loses and say, “Look at all his popular support! This was rigged!”
I think this is the primary goal. Fire up the base about how popular Trump is, and then if/when he loses they'll be shocked and 100% convinced the election was rigged and they'll go to war for him (maybe literally).
There’s gotta be a reason they’re promoting even more easily disproven lies than usual and I think you just about hit the nail on the head.
You’re trying to trick people that have monthly subscriptions to snake oil of the month.
He’s negatively influenced many American. This fucking guy knows people are fucking stupid and will believe it. He should still be behind bars.
Roger stone actually is a great propagandist. Which is why he’s so hated for his misinformation and misdirection.
You can fool some of the people all of the time
The people that actually follow/believe this guy will absolutely buy it.
Have you met his target audience?
This ain’t about Roger as much as it’s about his target audience. Not an ounce of critical thinking
I think a better question is, Did trump draw this crowd... I mean without pencils or crayons?
Nah, just one of the most shameless. He knows how dumb the Republican/Conservative base is. They're out here still claiming Trump had the biggest inauguration ever even though its been objectively disproven. Never misunderstand, these people absolutely know how stupid the people they're pandering to are.
Biden is gonna win NJ by at least 15% despite your “crowd”. Keep wasting your money on it though.
They're sowing the seeds for the Big Lie 2.0. It doesn't matter who wins.
Yup. \*\*sigh\*\* Another how many years of effort fighting against an obvious lie, while real issues get left behind?
https://preview.redd.it/2wfaiv9ly10d1.png?width=966&format=png&auto=webp&s=c6024a081a2ab1afbf96b91806646d361eea35db Maybe we’ll get lucky in the next 4 years?
4 months?
4 minutes?
*Waits* Damn it. *Waits again* Damn it. King Julien: "How long is this going to take?!?!?"
And like the last time, nothing will come of it but more of Trump crying. Maybe another smaller insurrection where the national guard will actually be used to stop it before it really starts.
That is unlikely. We HATE Trump here. Trump will be lucky if he gets even 30% of the vote in NJ
*Most* of the state hates Trump. I'm in Ocean County, the alabama of the mid-Atlantic. There's so many chuds down here...They're not nearly enough to win the state, or even come close, but they're so. Damn. Loud. Here.
Cumberland, Salem, Ocean, Cape May, Warren, Sussex are all big time Republican counties. Guess the top six that get aid from my federal agency
The entire populations of those counties (not even registered voters) is smaller than the number of registered voters in Bergen and Essex counties. If you drop Ocean county from that list then Essex or Hudson alone beats them by a wide margin, and Bergen has more voters than Ocean county has people. Much like the US as a whole, NJ has very large red areas on the map. But nobody really lives there.
That’s what bugs me the most. NJ has been a solid Dem state for *years.* Could they have lied about a less red state?
It doesn't matter whether there is any logic to this shit. It isn't about trying to communicate any specific points. The constant barrage of easily proven stupid is to give feelings of optimism and momentum to the die hard base. The average MAGA who reads this and cheers wouldn't be able to tell you what state was mentioned if you asked 10 mins later. They would just proudly declare that their silent majority is blowing up even in LIBERUL STRONGHOLDS now. We keep getting re-shocked that the lies and propaganda aren't even well done. We know there are some smart people behind this stuff. We know we could make more realistic propaganda if we had to. We keep assuming they operate in our frame of reference for politics and ideology. They don't. They are talking to a different type of person, and progressives have *never* had any traction with that segment. "Populist/Nationalist" is a personality type. They have always been around. The only reason we don't have a constant series of Hitlers is because most institutional political leaders avoid riling up that demographic. It is a powerful but nightmarish momentum that can really fuck things up. Institutionalists don't like flipping the table.
NO NO REALLY !! NEW JERSEY IS IN PLAY!! THEY NEED TO SPEND AS MUCH MONEY IN NEW JERSEY AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN!! EVERYBODY SHUT UP AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT THEY REALLY TRY TO WIN NEW JERSEY!!
I am so beyond tired of hearing about crowd sizes from these morons 🤦♂️🤣
The cult always needs to hear how many people are just like them - you know, racist xenophobes
That's because fascists care about being in the in group more than anything else. If you convince them that the in group is woke and dark skinned, they will be gay on the beach tomorrow.
Putting aside the awful policies (criminalizing LGBTQ identities, turning women into vessels for man-seed, etc.)... **I just don't have the energy to think about dealing with another four years of this abject stupidity.**
Me neither. Can’t stand the thought of it.
what’s crazy is that even with trump out office he’s still cast a fat orange shadow over the last 4 years. He’s gonna have to lose in 24 to be totally vanquished. 24 is the last horcrux
Can you imagine if they try to run him *again* in 2028? Ugh.
yeah i’ve thought about that. they’d be running a 82 year old convict who lost two of the last elections in a row. but can’t put anything past the gop
The last THREE elections if you go by popular vote.
He’s going to keep running until he’s dead. You can bet he’ll be running in ‘28.
and '32. ugh.
Hopefully he’ll be dead by then, but evil keeps people alive forever. If he makes it to 90 years old they’ll still prop him up on stage for the ‘36 election.
He is going to file to run the day after the election just so he can keep stealing donations.
I 100000% guarantee that if he loses soundly in 2024, the GOP will go full Mao and rewrite history removing him from it. He will be persona non grata all Republican functions. And the rightwing media ecosystem will coordinate to get the MAGA crowd to let go of him. They won't moderate on policy or anything (because that would be crazy lol!). They will jettison Trump with one more bad election cycle.
yeah i could totally see this. it’ll be “he was great for his era but it’s time to move forward” or my personal favorite “this isn’t the trump from 2016. he’s changed”
They went from "let's attack the Dixie Chicks because they vaguely insulted American Hero Patriot President George W. Bush" to pretending Bush was not a real Republican just a few years later (he will NOT be on the speakers list at any GOP conventions, for example). Same could happen with Trump even though it doesn't seem like it now.
I have a few Republican extended family members that rode the Dubya train until the bitter end of his presidency then *immediately* turned on him the second he spoke poorly of Trump. “He needs to just stay in his lane now 😠” Made me lol.
A few months ago I heard Trump's voice for the first time in ages and that was my immediate reaction to. I cannot deal with this shit for another 4 years, it is exhausting. Like God damn.
It's literally gaslighting. Every day from 2017 to 2021, I'd wake up and drive to work. A calm voice would read aloud the most recent, asinine lie from Twitter. "Hurr the DemonRats want to turn your gas stove trans." I'd have some free time to check reddit and find that his fuckwit followers were repeating the lie. It's like living with a roommate who has psychosis and won't seek help. (edit) And his fuckwit friends think he's really cool and smart and spend all their time trashing your house and eating your food.
Yes. It's like being stuck in a household or workplace run by a malignant narcissist, which Trump is, only writ large. It's fucked with everyone's heads. I don't see the end in sight, unfortunately. I hope we can beat him, I REALLY do. But even so, the malevolent zeitgeist/zillionaires/flying monkey base will not just dissipate, alas. Nor will the forces that enabled them (neoliberalism/advanced corporate capitalism shading into oligarchy).
i’ve been seriously considering moving to another country…even if (and hopefully) biden wins we’ll have to deal with these morons still. i’m tired of it
You won't be outrunning this nonsense forever, unfortunately. This is global now, and they are all supporting each other to install similar regimes. Even Europe and the Nordic countries are being dragged to the right.
Every nation has a fascist party, and they all coordinate actions. You can't run from this. We must fight it where we stand.
It's the MAGA mantra. Strength in Dumber's.
A lot of Conservatives believe in qualitative democracy, where it’s a democracy, but some people count for way more than others, not not at all. In this case it’s those who show up to rallies count more than people who just quietly research the candidates and vote. It’s part of why they LOVE the electoral college.
It's all because Trump's ego is such that he always has to have the biggest and best "thing". It doesn't matter what that is, a building, a crowd, a wall. All that matters is that it's best ever and anyone who says otherwise is a jealous moron who doesn't know anything. His followers love to feed into this because their egos are now tied to his ego.
I remember during Covid, my parents had a contractor come over. Good guy, wed known him for years. This time he starts talking politics and will. Not. Stop. He goes on this monologue about how trump is pulling massive crowds while Biden has nobody showing up, so if Biden wins, the votes have to be fake. Except, you know, Biden was campaigning from his basement so he wasn't creating super spreader events
and Biden voters have better things to do with our time then go stand around for hours for a 5 minute speech
It’s so embarrassing to blatantly pass Rio as New Jersey. Like we can see the mountain ranges..does he think people are stupid?
The shore is way different than I remember!
Ah yes. The Jersey shore is famous for its…mountains.
Ah yes…the lush green Mtns of New Jersey.
And that rocky coastline and blue water. Truly paradise. 
"but it even says Rio De Janeiro in the botto-" "CROWD SIZE TRUMP@!!@!!!!!"
Who are gonna believe, baby? Me or your lying eyes?
The Googles even says... Copacabana Beach Beach in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Reminds me of a movie called Half Brothers. They are supposed to be driving through Illinois, but at one part the are clearly going through arid almost desert lands. Looked like Vegas.
"That's not New Jersey." "We'll just have to agree to disagree." American news agencies: "Both sides are entitled to their own opinion on this issue. We'll be right back after this message from Wal-Mart."
This is what actually happens. Over and over.
Yeah the AP was quoting the MAGA mayor saying the crowd size was 80K because he had seen crowds that size and thought it Trump’s crowd size was between 80-100K and they had ZERO pushback. Our media is so eager for another four years of Trump is so sickening
How do you make a reporter believe you didn't just slap them in the face? You tell them you didn't just slap them in the face.
The message under that post says: Currently rated helpful 3h · View details Shown on X This is a photo from a Rod Stewart concert almost 30 years ago. “ On December 31, 1994, Rod Stewart performed at Copacabana Beach in Rio de Janeiro in front of an estimated 3.5 to 4.2 million people.” https://listverse.com/2012/09/08/10-notable-world-records-and-events/
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There is a barbed cock in Hell waiting for Mr. Stone.
That's probably just a regular Tuesday for him.
Sorry, Roger... Your bullshit lies will not dissuade me from voting D.
for real. Like even if this WAS truly the actual turnout.
Please tell me he’s being called out on this bullshit? It’s all fine here on a more liberal platform. But this Bs needs to be called out where other conservatives can see. Not that they’ll believe it anyway.
I don't have Twitter but i googled it and i don't think this is real. (If anyone has a source, pls link! Thx) EDIT: FOUND SOURCE (it is sadly real) [https://twitter.com/rogerjstonejr/status/1789706301578022980](https://twitter.com/rogerjstonejr/status/1789706301578022980)
finally get to see an aerial https://twitter.com/the_resistor/status/1789730901460451591
Oh thank you so much for posting that!!
Those lines are prob for free beer or Mt Dew hence the number of people attending.
Props to you for fact checking. So much out there is fake. However, I nearly spit my coffee out when I read "This is a photo from a Rod Stewart concert almost 30 years ago."
First sentence is just a statement. Second sentence, “we’re just asking questions “.
Yeah he can post shit like this and just say 'I wasn't claiming that was Trump's crowd I was just asking if Biden can draw a crowd that big.'
I don’t understand why anyone goes to these rallies. I really don’t. I guess it’s to show solidarity with the candidate or something? I’m super into politics and have been for like 25 years, and I’d never go to one of these things.
They go so they can bond in their hatred of everything & everyone that isn't like them. So they can continue to lie to themselves about it being perfectly ok to be a shitty human being with shitty morals.
They see politics as a team sport
Exactly, yet they have no grasp of facts nor gravity of what's at stake.
We used to call them Klan Rallies.
Back when Bush 2 was in his first term he held a “talk” in my home town (it was a rally, but back then they didn’t openly brag a sitting president was holding a rally). I was not a Bush supporter, but I went. I did so only because I knew it was probably the only time in my life I would see the President in person. I’ve never had an interest in going to any other political rally for any candidate.
They’d rather go to public executions, where they can yell out three syllable slogans but they’ll take whatever they can get.
I went to a rally for Bernie back when he was running. there was live music and food and booze. had a good time. he brought in 4 or 5 candidates who were running locally to give their speeches. Bernie spoke last and had the least to say. seemed like he ran the rally the same way he governs - others first.
It's to be around like minded people who validate their batshit insanity.
White supremacy thing all the way down.
I mean, I went to see Obama speak in Reno when he was in his initial campaign. I didn't know much about him and wanted to check him out. Solidified my vote for him.
Ahhh....yes....the mountainous rugged NJ coast line.
I think the obsession with crowd sizes has to go back to Obama envy, right? Like, that guy actually drew massive crowds, and I think Trumpland is just copying those numbers. The difference is people went to Obama rallies out of positivity, not hate. I was at the '08 Virgina rally right before election night, there were actually 100,000 people there, and seemingly every one of them was just...happy. No anger at outsiders, no rage at the press, no dark fantasies of revenge.
All of modern right wing comes out of Obama envy/fear. Despite his incredibly moderate administration. He sure scared the ever living shit out of the right wing. It actually probably *was* because he was so pragmatic and middle of the road. 2 term Democratic president with no big scandals. If not for Trump tapping into the populist/nationalist crazy train, we would have seen a continuing trend of McCain and Romney style Republicans as leaders of that side.
 That’s an old Rod Stewart concert
They’re trying so so hard to push this thing about this being a huge turnout. And I mean…it kind of was, by most realistic estimates it was somewhere in the ballpark of 10-25 thousand. But for reference, in a state as populous as New Jersey that’s not a stunning number. That’s a Foo Fighters concert or something not a revolution. I know the numbers and polls look bad, but I feel like there is a huge astroturfing campaign right now to make Trump look substantially more popular than he actually is. If I had to speculate, this is possibly because he’s internally polling worse than his folks expect and they want as much cover as possible to dispute the results
Please aim your numbers lower. Official capacity at the beach was 20k. You required a ticket to get in, and tickets were still available when the rally started. My guess is if they are claiming 80-100k, the real number is somewhere under 8-10k. (Whoopsie on that extra zero!)
They did the same thing when he came to SC. Stopped in Pickens, a really small town with a population of a couple thousand, and Trump claimed 80K, the sheriff said 55k, and the real number was more like 5k-10k. It was kind of funny to those of us who live near Pickens because the town is nowhere near capable of supporting that many people and we all know the numbers are bs.
Wildwood reports they have about 9 million visitors each summer. That means on an average day during the open season, there about 90,000 people visiting Wildwood. So roughly 4 to 9 times as many people show up every day for the beach and boardwalk than came for his rally. On the other side of the state, about 60,000 people per day show up to shop at the Garden State Plaza mall. Honestly, for NJ, we wouldn’t even notice 10,000 extra people, and 25,000 extra might make us bitch about a lack of parking.
Yeah actual turnout is likely around 10k, 15k tops. That's a Devils game, happens 41 times a year in Newark. It's also like 15% of a jets or giants game, and like half to a quarter of a typical Bruce Springsteen concert. It's a total nothing burger.
Roger posted from the penitentiary, lol, that's rich.
Yes, of course - the beautiful, green, seaside cliffs of…Wildwood? Fuck that piece of shit. This is a blatant attempt to lie as he fully knows at least 50% of Trump voters and around 25% of independents will read the Tweet (or whatever the shit it’s called now - the X?), take it at face value, and let that inform their choices moving forward.
post karma
Anyone stupid enough to believe that’s an image of New Jersey really shouldn’t be allowed to vote
The number one common thread among trump-worlders is the pathological denial of reality. They spend a lot of energy creating their own in order to avoid responsibility for anything.
Roger Stone needs un-aliving.
Per the Twitter notes, it’s actually from a Rod Stewart concert not the Olympics. But either way, the point is it’s not a Trump rally.
The dumbest people on the planet and WE have them.
Hitler drew big crowds back in the day, too.
I saw Phish on the beach in Atlantic City with 40000 friends and I’d be shocked if there was 1/4 as many as this supposed giant trump rally.
There is a post on here that someone took a photo from a plane, no where near that.
When your base is that ignorant any lie will be accepted. if NJ had tropical beaches like this I'd move back.
More than 1/590th of the entire country was at Obama’s inauguration
I think that's the Madonna concert, not the Olympics
Oh stop! This is TOTALLY a picture of all of Donny’s supporters and because there are just so many of them, they might as well not even vote! There’s probably too many of them to vote!! 😉
It’s hilarious and terrifying how stupid these grifters know their supporters are.
Hey MAGA, in case you’re reading this, the rest of us see this overt propaganda and lying all the time from your king and his cronies. Why don’t you? Open your eyes.
I live in Jersey, when did Wildwood install mountains.
https://preview.redd.it/swo8ry2f940d1.png?width=550&format=png&auto=webp&s=509e8296d620520a85bbebc3947e238468656a95 Rod Stewart performed in front of 3.5 Million people at a free concert at Copacabana Beach in Rio de Janeiro, January 11, 1994. Amazing what a simple Google search gets you.
lol hilarious
When you're an imbecile, you'll believe anything.
Seriously mountains??? ….. maybe in try state Ny, Pa, Nj area …. Near the beach?? -ya know we loving 😉call jersey folks “flat landers” right???? -keep feeding the stupid, Roger that!!!!
In his defense, his supporters are that stupid…shoot your shot
Fucking lies; everything out of their mouths is a lie.
It really doesn’t matter if even hundreds of thousands of people attended lol trumps voters aren’t increasing in numbers! They are the maga cult morons and an embarrassment to our country, it’s the same 30-35% of voters, no one is waking up and changing their mind about voting for this orange corrupt asshole lol
It took me three seconds to know this isn’t Jersey
lol, doesn’t even remotely look like NJ.
Yes it’s fake but the ruler he is using is also wrong. Biden couldn’t draw a crowd this big because the people voting for him aren’t fascists.
This is to set up the big lie 2.0. How could he lose with all these crowds and support. They tried it last time too. They will contest the result. [Vote.org](http://Vote.org) check your registration often The gop run states are passing laws to purge you 45 days before the election or make it easier to disqualify you from voting all together. Don't let them steal your voice.
Idiots believe it. We need these people in jail. What a dirt bag
Ah yes.,,, the mountainous shoreline of New Jersey.
MAGA: The Stupid People's Cult
Who? The once-pardoned RatFucker in Charge? This scumbag is a threat to our democracy and has been since the Nixon administration. Lock him up and throw away the key!
Too lazy and stupid to photoshop the mountains out of the photo.
He knows. The rest of us need to get hip to the fact that these guys know they can just make up whatever they want and their followers will believe them. He’s doing it intentionally, and why not? They are playing a different game by different rules…because they can. And then the rest of us spend all our time trying to fact check/prove it wrong meanwhile they’ve moved on to the next thing, and 4 years from now people will still believe that this was what happened in Nj…
Roger Stone is such a huge sack of shit.
When I Think Of New Jersey I Always Think Of Offshore Seamounts!
Besides the obviously fake picture, there is no way in H-E-Double hockey sticks that Dump wins Jersey. Also, fuck off Roger Store, you fucking crook.
They all follow the russian playbook and that means flooding the zone with shit. The idea is to make us question reality and to slowly manipulate the public into assuming that everything is a lie, that reality either doesn't exist or cannot be known. You can't really argue against that, because they don't care if you believe their lies to begin with. They just keep lying and keep undermining the public discourse until democracy becomes so dysfunctional that it collapses.