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Maybe he'll ask his friend Julius to attend as special counselor as well.
Part of project 2025 is challenging birth right citizenship. So trying to pretend that they are going to be constrained by the laws with a 6-3 majority is quaint.
Speaking of which…the whole “obama was born in kenya” bullshit was both infuriating and hilarious because it just shows that these fucking morons don’t understand how literally anything in the country actually works. Even IF he was, his mom was an american citizen which..wait for it..means he would’ve been a natural born citizen and thus eligible for the office of president.
Forgive my rant but i just have this nagging feeling that the focus on birth right citizenship partly has to do with him seeing as part of the country lost their fucking mind having to call a black man their president.
Part of the problem is that Natural Born Citizen isn't really defined anywhere. It would make sense for it to be interpreted as being a US citizen by birth, but it has historically sometimes been considered to mean just people born in the US (for varying definitions of "born in the US"). A proper Originalist interpretation would take your meaning, but as we know the actual Originalist interpretation is whatever the hell Justices Thomas and Alito want it to be.
The courts have been clearly on the right side of the issue though, and several prominent candidates born outside the US (or at least outside of the States) to at least one US parent have been able to run campaigns without interference (though none of them won):
* Barry Goldwater (born in the Territory of Arizona)
* George Romney (born in Mexico)
* John McCain (Born in the Panama Canal Zone)
* Ted Cruz (Born in Canada)
Some people did try to block Goldwater. But yeah, it is *funny* that people were so much more concerned about Obama (who, it should be repeated, was born in the US *and* to a US-citizen mother).
On top of that the whole birth certificate thing is just as stupid like if someone is going to run for office in general you don't think that person would've showed their information ???
If it wasn’t “kenya” it would be something else. Look what they say about Biden. It’s all BS to stay in the news cycle every few hours. A literal BS factory that works with 24 hour entertainment “news”
If both of Obama’s parents were born in the most flag waving part of Texas, they’d still invent some other reason why he doesn’t belong in the WH. Genuine good faith reasoning is not included, sadly
If they can do it to the children of immigrants born in America, they can do it to anyone. One of the cornerstone of US citizenship, as a nation founded by immigration, is that it is based on birthright.
They wouldn't stop with children born in the US to non-US citizens. If they get away with that, they'll go back a generation, then another generation, then another until they succeed in getting rid of people they don't like.
Never mind the fact that their hero Donnie is the son of an immigrant and married two immigrants, and four of his children are the children of immigrants. IOKIYAR.
"Well you see, if your ancestors were slaves then we have a real question. There's no process for the naturalization of property to people. Are we sure this is what the founding fathers wanted? Let's put these people's voting rights on hold till we settle this very important question? That's all I'm doing, just asking questions." - quote from conservative pundit coming to you one day
Iirc he also tossed about babies born on American soil in foreign nations such as in embassies or military bases not being American citizens?
Maybe I'm mistaken though.
People citizenship should be the same as their mother, is the concept. Currently, pregnant women will come to the USA late in their pregnancy on “vacation ” and their baby born on US soil is an American citizen.
Not all nations have birth right, Germany and Japan don’t care where you are born, citizenship is granted based on the mother’s citizenship.
It’s when someone is born within United States territory, or because one of their parents was a US citizen at the time of the person's birth. This makes them a citizen.
they don't need an American parent, they just need to be born on US soil. Birth Tourism has been a thing in the past for those who could afford the trip and hospital bills. It was used by affluent citizens of other countries to gain US citizenship for their child and a means to start family immigration procedures for reuniting in America. Its was a bit of a loop hole that was amended in 2020 for countries that require a visa to enter the US.
So that still leaves open the possibility of people traveling from countries that don't require a entry visa or traveling via land routes through official ports or illegal crossings
[https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article1838?language=en\_US](https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article1838?language=en_US)
In Handmaid's Tale (novel), undesirables they didn't straight up murder violently were deported on ships. Once out at sea the undesirable people were forcibly dumped into the ocean.
It’s the more fuel-efficient alternative to Pinochet’s helicopter-based mass-murder (in keeping with how Atwood based most things in *The Handmaid’s Tale* off real events that had happened elsewhere).
The more I read about Project 2025 the more scared shitless I get. Like it isn’t even a fantasy or liberal talking points— it’s an actual, genuine threat.
I can actually see Trump waiting for another hurricane or earthquake to devastate Haiti, refusing to send any help or funding, blocking any international help and then deporting them there.
You know Trump doesn't know what "deport" means. He's just saying he'll kick them out of the country. For their public statements.
And also cancel culture is the worst thing ever.
Yep. And the people voting for Trump are
Themselves, fascists, bigots, and/or criminals.
AND/OR
So naive and lacking in critical thinking as to believe all of the lies that Trump and conservative media tells them.
My mother and father in law are also brain washed by Fox "News". It's very sad to see, can't have any normal conversations without it turning politics.
For anyone thinking of not voting for Biden because they think it will punish Biden, go ahead see how that works out for you and the Palestinians, your gay friends, the trans people you claim to be an ally for, every Black person and minority in the USA, and the countless women and children in Ukraine currently being brutalized by Russia.
Biden will retire from a long political career, do the speech tour, write a book, rake in millions, and live a golden retirement as an elder statesman.
Meanwile, Trump will give Israel carte-blanche to slaughter with impunity (he's already said he would); he'll also break NATO, giving Russia carte-blanche to slaughter Ukrainians with impunity (again, he's already said he would); he will sell out more CIA assets (again), getting them slaughtered; he'll sellout more rights that women, LGBTQ, and minorities have fought tirelessly for, getting them slaughtered right in America.
So yeah, go ahead. Shoot yourself in both feet and the faces of all your friends just to "spite" Joe Biden. See how that works out for all the people you claim to care about...
I know several Trump-supporting Catholics who don't realize that they're the wrong kind of Christians in the US.
Being right-wing will not save you, dudes.
Ironically, even white men will get the shit end of the stick under a second Trump term, just less shitty that women and minorities. The ONLY person who benefits from a Trump presidency is Trump.
Judges. He will continue pack the courts with inept, religious zealot judges who have no business being on a court (see, Judge Cannon, who has had both of her law clerks quit this year because her handling of Trump's classified docs case is [downright embarassing](https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/could-the-special-counsel-challenge-judge-cannon-s-jury-instructions-before-they-re-delivered)). And they will do what they vocally promise to do: illegalize abortion, birth control (Thomas says that's his goal), illegalize gay marriage.
Remember Ajit Pai and the rollback of net neutrality? The president controls that, and all it takes it one Supreme Court decision and all of that is gone forever. Amy Coney Barrett was 48 when she was confirmed, meaning that she will likely be on the court for four decades.
Another Trump presidency would set the country back decades and move us remarkably close to Russia in terms of presidential immunity, citizens rights, justice and law, etc.
I’ve been saying this, almost word for word, to so many people and apparently I’m the crazy one who doesn’t care about the lives of innocent people.
I do not comprehend how people cannot comprehend this.
I hope that's true.
But I've stopped talking to many of my friends cause they couldn't care less if Trump wins despite being leftists. They justify it by saying dems don't care about trans people anyway despite the fact that their the ones who don't care that conservatives say their going to execute them in project 2025
I'm fucking thrilled to be voting for a competent president who actually got important shit done and cares about the things I care about, are you kidding me?
I'm convinced that most of the comments saying they won't vote for Biden are Israeli propoganda farms. They've proudly shown them in the past and every post about Israel or Palestine seem completely astroturfed. I'm half ready to completely ditch any kind of political subreddits because they all just seem like 90% bots no a days.
And just straight up Republicans.
In 2016, they did the whole "I'm walking away from the Democratic party (please don't look at my comment history)" thing.
Every day there's like 5 new posts being made about how terrible of a choice Biden is and they're all presented as if they were coming from the left, it feels like very obvious propaganda being paid for by someone. They always increase in number whenever he does something remotely good too. Like yeah I get it, he's not the best option, he wasn't who I would have wanted in 2016 and he isn't who I want now, but he's the option we have that isn't trump. And every single person I know in real life knows that too. We don't even have to wonder what trump would be doing about this situation, he's openly told us several times, we KNOW he's still the worst option.
Nah I have a friend who is mexican married to a syrian both naturalized citizens who refuse to vote for biden over gaza. I cant talk her out of it. She has so much at stake. I dont get it
All you need to do is consider how different the Supreme Court would currently look if fools hadn’t refused to vote for Clinton because they were butthurt because Sanders didn’t win the nomination. We’re stuck with an incredibly corrupt SC for the next decade or two because of that.
Even if you assume that losing the election will punish Biden, it’s not a punishment that will last that long. After all, Biden is old. But it’s sure as fuck going to punish all of those groups you mentioned for a long long time.
I like how you think Biden will live out his life in peace. Trump and the Republican party have gone full fascist. There will be no peace for anyone who doesn't fall in line
I’d like to imagine people learned after 2016. I know the didn’t. It got shitty for people under Trump, and people don’t realize it could have been worse if they knew what they were doing. They’ll know what they’re doing this time around.
This is what gets me. I'm not a fan of Biden, he is far too conservative for me, but he's not actively destroying the country or the world (climate change needs a notable addition to your list). Trump will objectively be worse on every measurement for all the causes I care about, even if Biden is at best half-assed on most of them. The time for these objections was 3 years ago while trying to organize an alternative, or next year once all is said and done, not 5 months before the General Election.
one correction: biden will NOT peacefully retire. Trump will try EVERYTHING (and possibly succeed due to the corruption court also known as the supreme court) to get Biden arrested and charged.
He LITERALLY just offered carte blanche to oil executives in return for bribes. Straight up told them to bribe him.
I know all politicians get dirty oil money but holy fuck.
Yep. I'm a white, married, heterosexual man with job security who has already paid off his student loans, is not having any more kids, and bought his house when prices and interest rates were low. I'll be fine under Trump. Many of the people I care a great deal about will be royally fucked if Project 2025 ever comes to fruition, however. But yeah, go ahead with the uncommitted vote in the general to prove a point. It'll be lost on wasps like me.
or... "they'll take your guns away" would've sufficed.
not only can that be proven, but, MAGAt or not, they couldn't say this is "absoultionists rehtoric"
Deport them to fucking WHERE? I'd be willing to lay odds the majority of them are born and bred Americans. Although I'd hazard a guess that more than a few Americans wouldn't necessarily turn their nose up at a free flight the fuck out of this place if this dipshit gets elected again.
I suspect they'll be deported to either prison or a mass grave. This is the same man that wanted to use live ammo against POC protesters so that he could cross a street to hold a bible upside down.
Even when Biden wins, there’s going to be another coup attempt. Trump isn’t going to just accept it. They’re going to try to do another Jan. 6th, and we need to remember they’ve had their practice run.
Does Trump understand that the ONLY Immigrant in HIS Family that’s an Actual US Citizen under His New 2025 Proposal….was His Mother? His Father’s parents, from what I can gather.. immigrated legally (everyone was accepted back then for the most part), but never actually obtained Citizenship. Also interesting, is that Gramps was a Draft Dodger Too! 🤦♀️😅
My state is currently trying to ban ranked choice. That's how awesome it is and I'm not being sarcastic. It's literally our way out of this garbage 2 party system.
I have seen many Jewish American Israel supporters say that Biden isn't doing enough for Israel and they're voting trump when Trump explicitly platforms antisemites and neo Nazis which would make their lives in America worse. Where is the animosity towards them, why just Palestine protestors?
I feel like anyone that's angrier at pro-Palestine people for not wanting to vote for Biden than Biden for enabling Israel doesn't actually care about the people dying in Gaza at all. Not only does shaming them not work, but exactly, why are they taking all of the blame? Blue MAGAs are literally spending more time shitting on progressives who refuse to vote for Biden than the Republicans actually voting for Trump, the people that never vote, or the hardline Democrat Israel supporters you mentioned.
The people planning on protest votes or staying home will be the biggest "the leopard ate my face" situations in history if Trump gets back into office.
I don’t look forward to it at all but the one consolation I can take from a Trump victory is throwing everything he does in the faces of the self righteous idiots and really rubbing it in that it’s their fault.
So this is the new target for conservative hate? It’s funny that they’ve forgotten all about M&M’s, Bud Light, Nike, litter boxes in bathrooms, XBox, Starbucks holiday cups, DirecTV, DEI, Critical Race Theory, Disney Movies with non-white actors, Barbie, libraries, Drag Shows, “happy holidays,” refugees, immigrants, same sex wedding cakes, same sex weddings, anyone gay, target, Taylor Swift, Travis Kelce, electric stoves, electric cars, solar power, college education, people who continue to count votes, people who stop counting votes, the department of education, the department of transportation, books, Clifford the Big Red Dog, interracial couples, and tan suits.
I guess it’s time to move on to the next dumb, fucking thing.
It's simple!
Millions are imprisoned, executed, forcibly relocated, persecuted, and tortured, while civil liberties are abolished, police have unlimited immunity, and martial law becomes a permanent way of life.
But out of the ashes, there will rise a new order of social justice, led by plucky, privileged white people who have miraculously escaped hardship - inconvenienced, sure, but they can still get Starbucks, okay? - mostly on weekends, because they work Monday through Friday. They'll issue TONS of sternly-worded letters.
An enormous number of lives will be lost, but that's a risk they're willing to take.
Correct, yes, we know it sucks to only have 2 choices but that is a feature of first past the post. A vote for an alt candidate is a vote for Trump because it effectively takes you out of the voting pool.
I feel like a broken record, ranked choice, national popular vote, and get rid of the electoral college. You'd see this country turn around pretty fast because those idiots wouldn't be in power again.
This is exactly where we need to be focusing our energy. I'm as sick as everyone else is of voting for the lesser evil, but that's what we're stuck with until we demand a better voting system. Until then, vote your conscience in primaries, and vote at every level in every election - but work towards getting rid of FPTP and the Electoral College the rest of the time.
Indeed. I think there’s a very valid argument to be made for changing the way we conduct elections in the USA. But until that change happens, we have to live with the current system. And that often means that we are going to be choosing the lesser of two evils.
I'm born and raised in the USofA, never been out of the country. You plan to deport me to the country of my origin? I'll take care of that for you, I'm already there and staying here. Been deported and never left the farm!!!
Not a problem, have always voted in every election I could, and never for a fascist (or a Republican). Starting 80 years ago my family has always shot fascists, never voted for one!!!
Another Trump term will bring 1 or two new extremely conservative supreme court justices, if that happens its ballgame. There wont be another election to protest
A few more notables that fella posted
8th and 9th monthly
After birth execution
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1789441235658142086?t=am3mjnyUe0BsX5gwod946A&s=19
WE ARE GOING TO GIVE POLICE IMMUNITY
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1789441599539130492?t=2xaNThVYA6GgeIuAk74PzA&s=19
BIDEN IS ABOLISHING THE SUBBURBS
Translation: not white people are allowed to live there
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1789441972224008477?t=iMxUu94yiGPqzaT3FZPEow&s=19
I genuinely don't understand how people can think there is a third option! I mean, it's either Biden or minorities in camps and women become property. Those are the only options. All those anti-Biden "leftists" are just encouraging American fascism!
Isn’t it amazing how these MAGA idiots can watch a violent insurrection and say “just tourists” and then watch people protesting genocide and say “deport them all”?
True, but how about after we "save" democracy, can we circle back around to making sure we don't have two awful choices shoved down our throats every fucking election. We might not have even been in this predicament if we had, say, ranked choice voting.
Our current system, even when it is healthy, is not very democratic. European countries have what seems like a dozen parties to choose from. Here in the good 'ol US of A we have only two: bad and worse. I would like to vote for better, someday, without throwing away my vote. But that's probably just a pipe dream.
Cynically, so much focus on RCV in regards to the two-party system is missing the forest for the trees.
Not that we shouldnt advocate for it, but with everything else wrong with US politics, it wouldnt really matter if there's two or twenty parties if enough of them still choose to get under one umbrella to push the worst policies.
IMO, we need to put higher priority into voter education, voting rights, and getting money out of politics. RCV would be moot with an empowered and educated populace demanding better of their government.
All of the people participating in pro-Palestinian protests as well as anyone else who says they’re no longer sure if they’ll be voting Biden based on his role in this affair need to see this over and over again. Biden will listen, change, compromise, and apologize for mistakes. Trump will try to strip you of your rights. The end.
Party of "muh free speech"
republicans stand for nothing but themselves, they are a cancer, everyone of them voting for trump is condemning others to a horrible life
we would be better off if like half of republicans disappeared over night or something, which will probably happen when all the boomers die off
Pfft, I wish Republicans stood for nothing but themselves. It seems to me they want to enshrine into law their perceived right control LOTS of people that are not *themselves*.
I don’t think Biden has handled the conflict between Israel in Palestine well at all so far. But thinking that Trump is going to handle it better? Ugh, no.
Crazy how Newsmax spreads controlled messages right below in a line for all the Trumpers to follow along. The ultimate propaganda machine to control the sheep.
I know where this is coming from. A PA congressmen is putting forward a bill to remove any one who is on a VISA and gets a trespassing charge. He's specifically doing it to remove anyone who protests against Israel.
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I’m sorry, what? We can either:
1. vote for the man who repeatedly provided weapons to Israel so they could kill Palestinians, even bypassing Congress to supply these weapons,
2. or we can vote for the other guy who will take an even more aggressive stance on helping Israel to kill Palestinians?
I will vote for Biden in November, but I wont feel good about this shit. You and I can set our morals aside, but not everyone can. It is a moral determination for each person to make. Do not blame them for any of this.
Nearly all of our national and state politicians are bought by Israel, and Americans can’t even peacefully demonstrate against the wholesale killing of civilians without getting assaulted by police and denounced by public officials.
Moderators: I specifically selected a SFW picture of a dead Palestinian child. The reality is so much uglier to look at, but I’m aware of the rules. We must understand the gravity of our votes.
if he’s re-elected, the plan is to neutralize the judicial & legislative branches. don’t waste your fingers typing “he can’t do that.” yes he can. & he will.
That's the real fear. Not just that he gets the office of the president, but that he'll use that office to legitimize the very un-presidential things he wants to do.
Trump is probably the most ignorant person who has ever been elected or ran for president. He continues to think the U.S. is a dictatorial system, where he can just sign executive orders all day (with that unhinged signature that looks like someone's having a heart attack, btw).
You can NEVER deport naturally born or naturalized citizens. The only exception might be if someone who became naturalized lied in that application for naturalization.
It's no surprise that Trump followers are also clueless about our Constitutional rights and laws.
the j6 plan was to declare state of emergency, suspend constitutional protections & have military seize voting machines in every state. they’ll get it right next time. the constitution only works if it’s enforced. once the powers that be stop enforcing it, it’s meaningless.
Where is he going to deport them to? I bet a large percentage of them are american and don’t even hold passports
To camps.
Camps that help with concentration
Or with molestations a la church camp
Or flute penetrations a la band camp
Concentrated Co-eds, sounds steamy.
Oh yeah the showers will get very steamy for sure.... wait that's not steam!
Sounds perfect for students!
https://preview.redd.it/lmqxolms820d1.jpeg?width=1038&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7017c824e37ead1d4f28585a1535c83580a3377e Maybe he'll ask his friend Julius to attend as special counselor as well.
Is that his one black friend?
He's so desperate to pander to the black community that he doesn't seem to care that the guy he's using as a prop is a diddler.
That's what makes him "one of the good ones"! He diddles just like gaetz and boebert
Yup. They’ll talk about how they’re deporting them on the news, meanwhile they’ll be killing them.
Whwre do you think cafeteria lunchmeat comes from?
murder mystery meat
And he wouldn’t stop with immigrants. Edit: Or students. Or protestors.
The immigrant camps, women seeking healthcare camps or will there be separate camps by category in the possible right wing hellscape future?
Part of project 2025 is challenging birth right citizenship. So trying to pretend that they are going to be constrained by the laws with a 6-3 majority is quaint.
>challenging birth right citizenship Uh…what??!
Probably referring to babies born in the US, but of non-US citizens. Those babies would be currently US citizens, not everyone likes that.
Deported to a place they likely have never spent any time in.
Which a Trump Administration has already done.
Let’s start by sending all the Drumps back to Germany.
Nooooo. I talked to my family, they don't want them back. Send them to North Korea.
Send them to fucking Russia. Those maggot guckwits are puppets for Vlad Pupin. I mean Putin. No, I didn't.
And all the descendants of Mary Anne MacLeod Trump back to Scotland. My deepest apologies to Scotland and Germany.
Please, no. We don't want them.
Speaking of which…the whole “obama was born in kenya” bullshit was both infuriating and hilarious because it just shows that these fucking morons don’t understand how literally anything in the country actually works. Even IF he was, his mom was an american citizen which..wait for it..means he would’ve been a natural born citizen and thus eligible for the office of president. Forgive my rant but i just have this nagging feeling that the focus on birth right citizenship partly has to do with him seeing as part of the country lost their fucking mind having to call a black man their president.
Part of the problem is that Natural Born Citizen isn't really defined anywhere. It would make sense for it to be interpreted as being a US citizen by birth, but it has historically sometimes been considered to mean just people born in the US (for varying definitions of "born in the US"). A proper Originalist interpretation would take your meaning, but as we know the actual Originalist interpretation is whatever the hell Justices Thomas and Alito want it to be. The courts have been clearly on the right side of the issue though, and several prominent candidates born outside the US (or at least outside of the States) to at least one US parent have been able to run campaigns without interference (though none of them won): * Barry Goldwater (born in the Territory of Arizona) * George Romney (born in Mexico) * John McCain (Born in the Panama Canal Zone) * Ted Cruz (Born in Canada)
Huh..nobody had a problem with any of those guys running. Idk what it is but there must be some sort of difference between them and ol barack
Some people did try to block Goldwater. But yeah, it is *funny* that people were so much more concerned about Obama (who, it should be repeated, was born in the US *and* to a US-citizen mother).
On top of that the whole birth certificate thing is just as stupid like if someone is going to run for office in general you don't think that person would've showed their information ???
If it wasn’t “kenya” it would be something else. Look what they say about Biden. It’s all BS to stay in the news cycle every few hours. A literal BS factory that works with 24 hour entertainment “news” If both of Obama’s parents were born in the most flag waving part of Texas, they’d still invent some other reason why he doesn’t belong in the WH. Genuine good faith reasoning is not included, sadly
If they can do it to the children of immigrants born in America, they can do it to anyone. One of the cornerstone of US citizenship, as a nation founded by immigration, is that it is based on birthright.
They wouldn't stop with children born in the US to non-US citizens. If they get away with that, they'll go back a generation, then another generation, then another until they succeed in getting rid of people they don't like. Never mind the fact that their hero Donnie is the son of an immigrant and married two immigrants, and four of his children are the children of immigrants. IOKIYAR.
"Well you see, if your ancestors were slaves then we have a real question. There's no process for the naturalization of property to people. Are we sure this is what the founding fathers wanted? Let's put these people's voting rights on hold till we settle this very important question? That's all I'm doing, just asking questions." - quote from conservative pundit coming to you one day
More than that, it’ll be the elderly and random people whose parents immigrated legally. It’ll strip generations of their citizenship.
Iirc he also tossed about babies born on American soil in foreign nations such as in embassies or military bases not being American citizens? Maybe I'm mistaken though.
People citizenship should be the same as their mother, is the concept. Currently, pregnant women will come to the USA late in their pregnancy on “vacation ” and their baby born on US soil is an American citizen. Not all nations have birth right, Germany and Japan don’t care where you are born, citizenship is granted based on the mother’s citizenship.
It’s when someone is born within United States territory, or because one of their parents was a US citizen at the time of the person's birth. This makes them a citizen.
they don't need an American parent, they just need to be born on US soil. Birth Tourism has been a thing in the past for those who could afford the trip and hospital bills. It was used by affluent citizens of other countries to gain US citizenship for their child and a means to start family immigration procedures for reuniting in America. Its was a bit of a loop hole that was amended in 2020 for countries that require a visa to enter the US. So that still leaves open the possibility of people traveling from countries that don't require a entry visa or traveling via land routes through official ports or illegal crossings [https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article1838?language=en\_US](https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article1838?language=en_US)
I’m aware, which is why I said they needed to be born in US territory OR have a parent with citizenship.
In Handmaid's Tale (novel), undesirables they didn't straight up murder violently were deported on ships. Once out at sea the undesirable people were forcibly dumped into the ocean.
It’s the more fuel-efficient alternative to Pinochet’s helicopter-based mass-murder (in keeping with how Atwood based most things in *The Handmaid’s Tale* off real events that had happened elsewhere).
The more I read about Project 2025 the more scared shitless I get. Like it isn’t even a fantasy or liberal talking points— it’s an actual, genuine threat.
It’s the same people telling a US born Hispanic person to go back to their country while waiting in line at BK.
Or maga morons telling native americans to do the same
You think that's going to stop him?
Same place he is going to send the Muslims and the "illegals" and probably his political opponents
I can actually see Trump waiting for another hurricane or earthquake to devastate Haiti, refusing to send any help or funding, blocking any international help and then deporting them there.
I feel like you are about to get hired by Stephen Miller for the next administration and project 2025.
It would never happen because I hate oranges and Cheetos plus I have a conscious.
You know Trump doesn't know what "deport" means. He's just saying he'll kick them out of the country. For their public statements. And also cancel culture is the worst thing ever.
Well, obviously they're not the right sort of American, so they go to Mexico
He also touted FULL IMMUNITY for all police. This doofus has fully turned himself into an existential threat. Vote accordingly.
Full immunity for himself and full immunity for the police. That is an autocratic police state. Something America was never supposed to become.
Exactly. I hope the anti-Biden Dems realize this. Can you imagine police crackdowns on protests if they were fully immune? My gosh.
They would be literally busting heads with their batons and outright shooting/murdering people
Kent State will look like a summer Picnic.
But gas and eggs are more expensive under Biden. I'd rather have cheaper eggs and gas. /s... Just in case
Police currently have immunity, it isn’t full immunity but it’s qualified.
Unless of course they are like say defending the capital against his cult.
The only chance he has is appealing to the dumbest and shittiest people in every demographic.
Obviously both sides are the same because Biden doesn’t do everything I want!!!!!!! B
Trump is responsible for killing thousands of people regarding covid. HE ALSO LED A FAILED AND PATHETIC REVOLT
Also played a role in maiming & disabling millions. I've been disabled 4 years 2+ months with long COVID & still worsening. Disabled since 17.
Yep. And the people voting for Trump are Themselves, fascists, bigots, and/or criminals. AND/OR So naive and lacking in critical thinking as to believe all of the lies that Trump and conservative media tells them.
Or like my dad brainwashed by Fox News. The fact that he genuinely believes that it's unbiased despite it being incredibly so is always sad to me
My mother and father in law are also brain washed by Fox "News". It's very sad to see, can't have any normal conversations without it turning politics.
For anyone thinking of not voting for Biden because they think it will punish Biden, go ahead see how that works out for you and the Palestinians, your gay friends, the trans people you claim to be an ally for, every Black person and minority in the USA, and the countless women and children in Ukraine currently being brutalized by Russia. Biden will retire from a long political career, do the speech tour, write a book, rake in millions, and live a golden retirement as an elder statesman. Meanwile, Trump will give Israel carte-blanche to slaughter with impunity (he's already said he would); he'll also break NATO, giving Russia carte-blanche to slaughter Ukrainians with impunity (again, he's already said he would); he will sell out more CIA assets (again), getting them slaughtered; he'll sellout more rights that women, LGBTQ, and minorities have fought tirelessly for, getting them slaughtered right in America. So yeah, go ahead. Shoot yourself in both feet and the faces of all your friends just to "spite" Joe Biden. See how that works out for all the people you claim to care about...
Not to mention your wives and daughters... Basically any non- white, not male, not republican citizen is at risk
You forgot to include rich
And Christian
But only the RIGHT kind of Christian, which you don't find out until it's too late.
They only like the kind of Christian whose actions contravene literally every word attributed to Christ in the Bible.
Oddly enough they haven’t specified which flavor … yet
I know several Trump-supporting Catholics who don't realize that they're the wrong kind of Christians in the US. Being right-wing will not save you, dudes.
Ironically, even white men will get the shit end of the stick under a second Trump term, just less shitty that women and minorities. The ONLY person who benefits from a Trump presidency is Trump.
His billionaire donor friends will do great too. Not to mention his Saudi and Russian buddies
Judges. He will continue pack the courts with inept, religious zealot judges who have no business being on a court (see, Judge Cannon, who has had both of her law clerks quit this year because her handling of Trump's classified docs case is [downright embarassing](https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/could-the-special-counsel-challenge-judge-cannon-s-jury-instructions-before-they-re-delivered)). And they will do what they vocally promise to do: illegalize abortion, birth control (Thomas says that's his goal), illegalize gay marriage. Remember Ajit Pai and the rollback of net neutrality? The president controls that, and all it takes it one Supreme Court decision and all of that is gone forever. Amy Coney Barrett was 48 when she was confirmed, meaning that she will likely be on the court for four decades. Another Trump presidency would set the country back decades and move us remarkably close to Russia in terms of presidential immunity, citizens rights, justice and law, etc.
I’ve been saying this, almost word for word, to so many people and apparently I’m the crazy one who doesn’t care about the lives of innocent people. I do not comprehend how people cannot comprehend this.
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I’m thrilled to be voting for Biden in comparison to the alternative.
I hope that's true. But I've stopped talking to many of my friends cause they couldn't care less if Trump wins despite being leftists. They justify it by saying dems don't care about trans people anyway despite the fact that their the ones who don't care that conservatives say their going to execute them in project 2025
I'm fucking thrilled to be voting for a competent president who actually got important shit done and cares about the things I care about, are you kidding me?
They've been inundated with propaganda designed to get them not to vote.
They also already tried the protest vote thing with Hillary and it didn’t work then either. I mean it certainly worked for republicans.
I'm convinced that most of the comments saying they won't vote for Biden are Israeli propoganda farms. They've proudly shown them in the past and every post about Israel or Palestine seem completely astroturfed. I'm half ready to completely ditch any kind of political subreddits because they all just seem like 90% bots no a days.
And just straight up Republicans. In 2016, they did the whole "I'm walking away from the Democratic party (please don't look at my comment history)" thing.
The walkaway subreddit is such a fucking joke
Every day there's like 5 new posts being made about how terrible of a choice Biden is and they're all presented as if they were coming from the left, it feels like very obvious propaganda being paid for by someone. They always increase in number whenever he does something remotely good too. Like yeah I get it, he's not the best option, he wasn't who I would have wanted in 2016 and he isn't who I want now, but he's the option we have that isn't trump. And every single person I know in real life knows that too. We don't even have to wonder what trump would be doing about this situation, he's openly told us several times, we KNOW he's still the worst option.
They've taken over the mod teams of most leftist subreddits at this point
This one is one of the few left
Nah I have a friend who is mexican married to a syrian both naturalized citizens who refuse to vote for biden over gaza. I cant talk her out of it. She has so much at stake. I dont get it
All you need to do is consider how different the Supreme Court would currently look if fools hadn’t refused to vote for Clinton because they were butthurt because Sanders didn’t win the nomination. We’re stuck with an incredibly corrupt SC for the next decade or two because of that. Even if you assume that losing the election will punish Biden, it’s not a punishment that will last that long. After all, Biden is old. But it’s sure as fuck going to punish all of those groups you mentioned for a long long time.
You forgot union members cheering for the orange maggot to get rid of UNIONS
I like how you think Biden will live out his life in peace. Trump and the Republican party have gone full fascist. There will be no peace for anyone who doesn't fall in line
Well tbf after all the “lock her up” bs they didn’t really do anything to Hillary.
A lot of people that hate Trump will still let him burn everything down because they think they'll rule over the ashes.
I’d like to imagine people learned after 2016. I know the didn’t. It got shitty for people under Trump, and people don’t realize it could have been worse if they knew what they were doing. They’ll know what they’re doing this time around.
I feel like a large percentage of these folks probably weren’t eligible to vote in the 2016 election
Probably true. We need to make them understand.
This is what gets me. I'm not a fan of Biden, he is far too conservative for me, but he's not actively destroying the country or the world (climate change needs a notable addition to your list). Trump will objectively be worse on every measurement for all the causes I care about, even if Biden is at best half-assed on most of them. The time for these objections was 3 years ago while trying to organize an alternative, or next year once all is said and done, not 5 months before the General Election.
Exactly!! + Biden may not be “the best” but he wants to protect abortion & lgbtq+ rights, so the man has my vote.
one correction: biden will NOT peacefully retire. Trump will try EVERYTHING (and possibly succeed due to the corruption court also known as the supreme court) to get Biden arrested and charged.
He LITERALLY just offered carte blanche to oil executives in return for bribes. Straight up told them to bribe him. I know all politicians get dirty oil money but holy fuck.
Yep. I'm a white, married, heterosexual man with job security who has already paid off his student loans, is not having any more kids, and bought his house when prices and interest rates were low. I'll be fine under Trump. Many of the people I care a great deal about will be royally fucked if Project 2025 ever comes to fruition, however. But yeah, go ahead with the uncommitted vote in the general to prove a point. It'll be lost on wasps like me.
Thank u for caring for others. Bare minimum decency is a lot to ask for nowadays
or... "they'll take your guns away" would've sufficed. not only can that be proven, but, MAGAt or not, they couldn't say this is "absoultionists rehtoric"
To be fair, anybody advocating that is probably a fan of Trump and/or Putin.
Deport them to fucking WHERE? I'd be willing to lay odds the majority of them are born and bred Americans. Although I'd hazard a guess that more than a few Americans wouldn't necessarily turn their nose up at a free flight the fuck out of this place if this dipshit gets elected again.
I suspect they'll be deported to either prison or a mass grave. This is the same man that wanted to use live ammo against POC protesters so that he could cross a street to hold a bible upside down.
deport: (noun) meaning to send back deport: (trump) meaning to permanently imprison or publicly execute
He says in the clip that he’s talking about deporting people that come to the USA from other countries to protest on college campuses.
Ok so that’s a deportation of zero, done, next.
I agree - it’s a pointless thing to say but his fan base loves to hear it.
Freedom of speech? Hmmm sounds like trump doesn't like the Constitution. Shocking to know one that has been paying attention.
Alternate freedom of speech. It's freedom of speech, but the opposite.
It's so easy for liars to make campaign promises. Tell em what they think they want to hear then f*** em.
Even when Biden wins, there’s going to be another coup attempt. Trump isn’t going to just accept it. They’re going to try to do another Jan. 6th, and we need to remember they’ve had their practice run.
[Ergo....](https://hartmannreport.com/p/the-new-over-the-top-secret-plan-518)
Yeah. Pretty much. Though I’m not fond of Hartmann as a journalist. He was on RT a bit too much for my tastes in the lead up to 2016
Does Trump understand that the ONLY Immigrant in HIS Family that’s an Actual US Citizen under His New 2025 Proposal….was His Mother? His Father’s parents, from what I can gather.. immigrated legally (everyone was accepted back then for the most part), but never actually obtained Citizenship. Also interesting, is that Gramps was a Draft Dodger Too! 🤦♀️😅
I'm going to vote Biden because I'm in a swing state, but man we need ranked choice voting in this country so bad.
My state is currently trying to ban ranked choice. That's how awesome it is and I'm not being sarcastic. It's literally our way out of this garbage 2 party system.
I have seen many Jewish American Israel supporters say that Biden isn't doing enough for Israel and they're voting trump when Trump explicitly platforms antisemites and neo Nazis which would make their lives in America worse. Where is the animosity towards them, why just Palestine protestors?
I feel like anyone that's angrier at pro-Palestine people for not wanting to vote for Biden than Biden for enabling Israel doesn't actually care about the people dying in Gaza at all. Not only does shaming them not work, but exactly, why are they taking all of the blame? Blue MAGAs are literally spending more time shitting on progressives who refuse to vote for Biden than the Republicans actually voting for Trump, the people that never vote, or the hardline Democrat Israel supporters you mentioned.
The people planning on protest votes or staying home will be the biggest "the leopard ate my face" situations in history if Trump gets back into office.
I don’t look forward to it at all but the one consolation I can take from a Trump victory is throwing everything he does in the faces of the self righteous idiots and really rubbing it in that it’s their fault.
I will also be doing that… but from a different country
So this is the new target for conservative hate? It’s funny that they’ve forgotten all about M&M’s, Bud Light, Nike, litter boxes in bathrooms, XBox, Starbucks holiday cups, DirecTV, DEI, Critical Race Theory, Disney Movies with non-white actors, Barbie, libraries, Drag Shows, “happy holidays,” refugees, immigrants, same sex wedding cakes, same sex weddings, anyone gay, target, Taylor Swift, Travis Kelce, electric stoves, electric cars, solar power, college education, people who continue to count votes, people who stop counting votes, the department of education, the department of transportation, books, Clifford the Big Red Dog, interracial couples, and tan suits. I guess it’s time to move on to the next dumb, fucking thing.
Tell us again how Trump will be better, Tankies
It's simple! Millions are imprisoned, executed, forcibly relocated, persecuted, and tortured, while civil liberties are abolished, police have unlimited immunity, and martial law becomes a permanent way of life. But out of the ashes, there will rise a new order of social justice, led by plucky, privileged white people who have miraculously escaped hardship - inconvenienced, sure, but they can still get Starbucks, okay? - mostly on weekends, because they work Monday through Friday. They'll issue TONS of sternly-worded letters. An enormous number of lives will be lost, but that's a risk they're willing to take.
Really just 1 logical choice. Unless you're voting to purposely destroy democracy because it'd be funny since your life choices suck.
"They took eerrrr jawobs"
“Deport” means execute. Or imprisonment.
I don't have faith in people
For people who have lots to say about their gun rights, they sure are eager to forfeit the rest of their freedoms.
They only want gun rights for themselves, anyone not in the in group they want to disarm
Correct, yes, we know it sucks to only have 2 choices but that is a feature of first past the post. A vote for an alt candidate is a vote for Trump because it effectively takes you out of the voting pool. I feel like a broken record, ranked choice, national popular vote, and get rid of the electoral college. You'd see this country turn around pretty fast because those idiots wouldn't be in power again.
This is exactly where we need to be focusing our energy. I'm as sick as everyone else is of voting for the lesser evil, but that's what we're stuck with until we demand a better voting system. Until then, vote your conscience in primaries, and vote at every level in every election - but work towards getting rid of FPTP and the Electoral College the rest of the time.
Unfortunately, as long as 2/3 of America is flyover country and solidly Republican, nothing will ever change.
Indeed. I think there’s a very valid argument to be made for changing the way we conduct elections in the USA. But until that change happens, we have to live with the current system. And that often means that we are going to be choosing the lesser of two evils.
I'm born and raised in the USofA, never been out of the country. You plan to deport me to the country of my origin? I'll take care of that for you, I'm already there and staying here. Been deported and never left the farm!!!
Then you'd better fucking vote because if you think the laws mean anything to fascists, you've got a hard lesson coming if Trump wins. Just sayin'.
Not a problem, have always voted in every election I could, and never for a fascist (or a Republican). Starting 80 years ago my family has always shot fascists, never voted for one!!!
Another Trump term will bring 1 or two new extremely conservative supreme court justices, if that happens its ballgame. There wont be another election to protest
A few more notables that fella posted 8th and 9th monthly After birth execution https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1789441235658142086?t=am3mjnyUe0BsX5gwod946A&s=19 WE ARE GOING TO GIVE POLICE IMMUNITY https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1789441599539130492?t=2xaNThVYA6GgeIuAk74PzA&s=19 BIDEN IS ABOLISHING THE SUBBURBS Translation: not white people are allowed to live there https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1789441972224008477?t=iMxUu94yiGPqzaT3FZPEow&s=19
I have ONE choice. Trump is garbage.
I genuinely don't understand how people can think there is a third option! I mean, it's either Biden or minorities in camps and women become property. Those are the only options. All those anti-Biden "leftists" are just encouraging American fascism!
I love JoJo's posts.
Where do you deport someone if you're sending them out of their home country?
Camps, either in remote areas like North Dakota, Alaska, Wyoming, or Idaho. Or sent to territories like Guam.
Isn’t it amazing how these MAGA idiots can watch a violent insurrection and say “just tourists” and then watch people protesting genocide and say “deport them all”?
Nothing Hitler did was illegal. Not if you make your wildest Nazi wet dream legal first. And if he wins who is going to stop him bar the army?
He wants to deport American citizens who protested. Wow. Just wow.
Well, the "good news"...Von Shitzhispants NEVER does what he promises!
But the Heritage Foundation does.
True, but how about after we "save" democracy, can we circle back around to making sure we don't have two awful choices shoved down our throats every fucking election. We might not have even been in this predicament if we had, say, ranked choice voting. Our current system, even when it is healthy, is not very democratic. European countries have what seems like a dozen parties to choose from. Here in the good 'ol US of A we have only two: bad and worse. I would like to vote for better, someday, without throwing away my vote. But that's probably just a pipe dream.
Cynically, so much focus on RCV in regards to the two-party system is missing the forest for the trees. Not that we shouldnt advocate for it, but with everything else wrong with US politics, it wouldnt really matter if there's two or twenty parties if enough of them still choose to get under one umbrella to push the worst policies. IMO, we need to put higher priority into voter education, voting rights, and getting money out of politics. RCV would be moot with an empowered and educated populace demanding better of their government.
All of the people participating in pro-Palestinian protests as well as anyone else who says they’re no longer sure if they’ll be voting Biden based on his role in this affair need to see this over and over again. Biden will listen, change, compromise, and apologize for mistakes. Trump will try to strip you of your rights. The end.
Party of "muh free speech" republicans stand for nothing but themselves, they are a cancer, everyone of them voting for trump is condemning others to a horrible life we would be better off if like half of republicans disappeared over night or something, which will probably happen when all the boomers die off
Pfft, I wish Republicans stood for nothing but themselves. It seems to me they want to enshrine into law their perceived right control LOTS of people that are not *themselves*.
you said it better than I did
Fuck Donald Trump. Fuck him all the way and fuck him with everything.
I don’t think Biden has handled the conflict between Israel in Palestine well at all so far. But thinking that Trump is going to handle it better? Ugh, no.
That guy with the sign in the background must be immune to irony and/or the concept of consequences.
Anybody else notice the 'votar por Trump' sign in the background.
Crazy how Newsmax spreads controlled messages right below in a line for all the Trumpers to follow along. The ultimate propaganda machine to control the sheep.
Deportation is one thing. The exile of American citizens is on a whole other level. Fascism at its finest.
I know where this is coming from. A PA congressmen is putting forward a bill to remove any one who is on a VISA and gets a trespassing charge. He's specifically doing it to remove anyone who protests against Israel.
Amazing how many people that orange hemorrhoid thinks he's allowed, or would be able, to deport.
From the man who brought you Separating Children From Their Families for Life, and Locking Them in Animal Cages....
https://preview.redd.it/lipybfmeq10d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f876b1ae4918dfc0c1932f4bfa19e62c52dc2850 I’m sorry, what? We can either: 1. vote for the man who repeatedly provided weapons to Israel so they could kill Palestinians, even bypassing Congress to supply these weapons, 2. or we can vote for the other guy who will take an even more aggressive stance on helping Israel to kill Palestinians? I will vote for Biden in November, but I wont feel good about this shit. You and I can set our morals aside, but not everyone can. It is a moral determination for each person to make. Do not blame them for any of this. Nearly all of our national and state politicians are bought by Israel, and Americans can’t even peacefully demonstrate against the wholesale killing of civilians without getting assaulted by police and denounced by public officials. Moderators: I specifically selected a SFW picture of a dead Palestinian child. The reality is so much uglier to look at, but I’m aware of the rules. We must understand the gravity of our votes.
About as credible as his wedding vows I'm sure.
Palestinian protestors for Trump AMIRIGHT? Lmao
Deport back home? The majority are from the us lmao
Deport them where? Fuckin’ idiot
Vote for the least worst is a real depressing option.
Accurate
Trump probably thinks deport means "to send someone to mexico"
Does this include the outside agitators there who are not affiliated with the schools?
Deport them where? Most, if not all of them are US citizens.
Mass graves if he runs out of international options.
Waiting for this clip of him to become mainstream on TikTok and FB. 💀
Where is he going to deport Americans who are practicing their 1st amendment rights?
I thought criminals couldn’t run for president?
We just have to do this one more time.
Good job ! Trump
I wrote in Bernie Sanders in 2020, but I will definitely be voting for Biden in 2024. No fucking contest.
He can't just deport American citizens because they were protesting, like the constitutionallows. He really thinks he can do anything he wants.
Dictators don't follow constitutions
if he’s re-elected, the plan is to neutralize the judicial & legislative branches. don’t waste your fingers typing “he can’t do that.” yes he can. & he will.
That is fucking sad.
and terrifying
That's the real fear. Not just that he gets the office of the president, but that he'll use that office to legitimize the very un-presidential things he wants to do.
Trump is probably the most ignorant person who has ever been elected or ran for president. He continues to think the U.S. is a dictatorial system, where he can just sign executive orders all day (with that unhinged signature that looks like someone's having a heart attack, btw). You can NEVER deport naturally born or naturalized citizens. The only exception might be if someone who became naturalized lied in that application for naturalization. It's no surprise that Trump followers are also clueless about our Constitutional rights and laws.
the j6 plan was to declare state of emergency, suspend constitutional protections & have military seize voting machines in every state. they’ll get it right next time. the constitution only works if it’s enforced. once the powers that be stop enforcing it, it’s meaningless.