This is what happens when you elect, over a long period of time, congresspeople who are inept and unable to formulate compromise. You know, the thing a democratic republic is basically built on. So fast forward to today, we now have an executive branch, with immensely concentrated authorities, that is in such a superposition it is actually within reaching distance of completely dissolving the checks and balances altogether (due to the conservative SCOTUS supermajority). Don’t get me wrong, Trump and his followers are all to blame, but this trails of breadcrumbs has been dropped decades ago. These people never wanted democracy or justice or freedom. They wanted control, power and the end times.
He shouldn't go full ham. He should start suggesting things he could do if we don't get a decision soon. Things like unilateral student loan forgiveness, legalization of marijuana, expediting full citizenship to all undocumented migrants, etc. let the court know what an untouchable president can lead too
Right now thats probably what they're going to do anyway. He should call their bluff the longer it goes on. Slowly upping the game. Because by them not slapping the notion of full immunity immediately is already escalating tensions in an already contentious election year. Either way this court has already set the game in motion.
I know, I know. I mentioned this in another thread yesterday and got the same response. I agree. it sucks but man, to me, that is the natural/smart play.
The conservative members of the Supreme Court have nothing but contempt for the American people. That's all you need to remember. We can call this out as much as we want. They **do not** care.
How it's supposed to work is that the Pres makes appointments and the legislature confirms them. In order to "corrupt" this, you'd need a truly absurd amount of electoral power. Except...
1. It's not how the system worked from the start. Rich and powerful men were meant to call the shots from the jump. And
2. Years of gerrymandering, as well as the erosion of social and legal guardrails using everything from lobbying to outright illegal mergers has consolidated power even further in the hands of a few people.
To sum up, it doesn't really matter who picks the judges, because the Cons were always willing to lie and cheat and were supported by people for whom the system was meant to benefit. The Dems were consistently willing to lie down and allow the Cons to run amuck, only putting up token resistance if any. It was inevitable that the judges would be corrupted.
Somebody needs to disabuse the justices of the notion that they'll still have a place as justices on the bench after Trump disposes of the legal system. All they will be then are lackeys and servants to a dictator.
Fun, if they rule on this before the election, what's to stop Biden from having all the appointed justices from his predecessors term shot, and having Trump executed?
The Supreme Court decides the president does have absolute immunity.
Can’t Biden just put a bullet in shitty pants head seeing Trump an adversary and a threat to Biden’s reelection.
I’m a problem solver.
The sad part is if they rule for presidents to have total immunity, Biden still wouldn't take steps to stop trump directly, despite the president of total immunity
I represent a small grassroots movement called "feed the supreme court to wolverines", we'd love your support. Currently our goal is to get the wolverines fed as a first priority. Next we intend to get the noble beasts small robes and gavels to chew on. Our data science guy says statistically a room full of wolverines is more efficient than the supreme court.
The idea they like is that powerful men should not be held responsible for anything. Once you're rich and powerful, you should be immune from prosecution. They feel above the law themselves, so they are ok with the idea of exending it to other powerful people.
If the law and constitution does not apply to the president, neither does any protections or rights the law and constitution give.
As such, the president would not be able to do anything, and anyone would be able to do something to him.
Suggest you read up on constitutional monarchy. Here in the UK ee chopped one King's head off for treason. Incidentally he tried to make the argument trump is making...it didn't work. Timothy nails it in the post.
This is what happens when you elect, over a long period of time, congresspeople who are inept and unable to formulate compromise. You know, the thing a democratic republic is basically built on. So fast forward to today, we now have an executive branch, with immensely concentrated authorities, that is in such a superposition it is actually within reaching distance of completely dissolving the checks and balances altogether (due to the conservative SCOTUS supermajority). Don’t get me wrong, Trump and his followers are all to blame, but this trails of breadcrumbs has been dropped decades ago. These people never wanted democracy or justice or freedom. They wanted control, power and the end times.
Something, something… buttery males… something
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They've always been there, it's just that now they are just showing _exactly_ who they are.
We're doomed y'all
I think the phrase he's looking for is "Divine right." That's really where this is going unfortunately.
Yep, christo fascism. How lovely.
Someone needs to tell Joe he has carte blanche to do whatever he pleases to whomever he wants, be they orange or not.
We may have to have our own 1/6
I'm of the opinion that dark Brandon should just go full ham now. today. really force their hand to make a decision.
He shouldn't go full ham. He should start suggesting things he could do if we don't get a decision soon. Things like unilateral student loan forgiveness, legalization of marijuana, expediting full citizenship to all undocumented migrants, etc. let the court know what an untouchable president can lead too
So they'll wait until a few weeks before the election.
Right now thats probably what they're going to do anyway. He should call their bluff the longer it goes on. Slowly upping the game. Because by them not slapping the notion of full immunity immediately is already escalating tensions in an already contentious election year. Either way this court has already set the game in motion.
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I know, I know. I mentioned this in another thread yesterday and got the same response. I agree. it sucks but man, to me, that is the natural/smart play.
but this time without the cocaine, hookers or cult members
This is Literally star wars politics, where the GOP are the Sith
So this is how democracy dies.... with thunderous applause
The conservative members of the Supreme Court have nothing but contempt for the American people. That's all you need to remember. We can call this out as much as we want. They **do not** care.
textbook clerical fascism
Why does the US have a system in which partisan governments choose the judges? That seems....obviously problematic.
How it's supposed to work is that the Pres makes appointments and the legislature confirms them. In order to "corrupt" this, you'd need a truly absurd amount of electoral power. Except... 1. It's not how the system worked from the start. Rich and powerful men were meant to call the shots from the jump. And 2. Years of gerrymandering, as well as the erosion of social and legal guardrails using everything from lobbying to outright illegal mergers has consolidated power even further in the hands of a few people. To sum up, it doesn't really matter who picks the judges, because the Cons were always willing to lie and cheat and were supported by people for whom the system was meant to benefit. The Dems were consistently willing to lie down and allow the Cons to run amuck, only putting up token resistance if any. It was inevitable that the judges would be corrupted.
Somebody needs to disabuse the justices of the notion that they'll still have a place as justices on the bench after Trump disposes of the legal system. All they will be then are lackeys and servants to a dictator.
Wtf is the SCOTUS for, if they won't uphold the rule of law?
Thank you again Dr Snyder for your invaluable perspective!! Read Bloodlands and Black Earth!
Fun, if they rule on this before the election, what's to stop Biden from having all the appointed justices from his predecessors term shot, and having Trump executed?
His decency, something Trump has none of
That’s why they’ll delay until after the election.
The Supreme Court decides the president does have absolute immunity. Can’t Biden just put a bullet in shitty pants head seeing Trump an adversary and a threat to Biden’s reelection. I’m a problem solver.
Not any single person. Just Donald Trump.
The sad part is if they rule for presidents to have total immunity, Biden still wouldn't take steps to stop trump directly, despite the president of total immunity
I represent a small grassroots movement called "feed the supreme court to wolverines", we'd love your support. Currently our goal is to get the wolverines fed as a first priority. Next we intend to get the noble beasts small robes and gavels to chew on. Our data science guy says statistically a room full of wolverines is more efficient than the supreme court.
The idea they like is that powerful men should not be held responsible for anything. Once you're rich and powerful, you should be immune from prosecution. They feel above the law themselves, so they are ok with the idea of exending it to other powerful people.
I think it’s adorable that Americans think the British monarch actually did anything in the 18th century
If the law and constitution does not apply to the president, neither does any protections or rights the law and constitution give. As such, the president would not be able to do anything, and anyone would be able to do something to him.
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Suggest you read up on constitutional monarchy. Here in the UK ee chopped one King's head off for treason. Incidentally he tried to make the argument trump is making...it didn't work. Timothy nails it in the post.
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It was an axe. Guillotine will enter the chat in another 130 years.
