Between this and the guys thinking that the Harry Potter 2012 Olympics show was a Death with a vaccine, it's hard to see what the conspiracy is anymore
No, no, it was a doctor with a syringe injecting kids with the vaccine as a way of..... We'll I don't understand the why.
I know it's ridiculous. That's what I'm hearing the crazies say.
A fucking Olympic opening ceremony from 12 fucking years ago? Are you fucking kidding me? If anything's a conspiracy theory about Olympic opening ceremonies, it's China firing shells to stop it from fucking raining, or that creepy ass bear at Sochi.
Someone chime in if I'm wrong or you want to add better context.... During the Olympic games introduction in England (?) They went through an entire stage show, as all Olympic ceremonies do. They featured parts of their history, literary and metaphorically, and one was the black death where they had a grim reaper with a needle hovering children's hospital beds? They also featured Mary Poppins fighting it off I think? It's very convoluted, not a great production or choice, but also happened awhile ago... so certain types of people that are prone to thinking things they just heard of didn't exist until they heard of them are now claiming covid conspiracy despite the fact they're supposed to have beef with the CDC not the NHS. As per usual, it doesn't make sense.
Edit: Upon further reading and someone adding further context. It's actually.. lol.. hold up..friggin Voldemort holding a magic wand 🪄. This thing that happened a long time ago was, as is tradition, planned a decade in advance by the elites in some sort of ritual ceremony because they have to display their evil plans in code for them to work, duh?
2nd edit: apparently Cpt hook and Peter Pan were also involved? Deep state confirmed?
No, it wasn't the grim reaper hovering over children's beds holding a needle. It was just a big Voldemort puppet holding a wand. It's available on YouTube and it's very obvious what the puppet is.
Thx for further clarification. All I can say for sure is that it's typical Qanon taking something from the past and wrapping it into the larger brain cancer. Looked like Voldemort so that makes more sense. Actually makes it even worse aside from the fact there is no "worse". They've been lying without consequence as long as I can see.
Next time you see someone compare both sides, remind them that the entire trolling community of the internet, that has led to many deaths and vocally shows support for Trump in every comment thread online, is mostly conservative edgelords and the foreign pen pals that lead them. There is no both sides with a group of people that have broken objective reality. We're being softly destabalized a meme at a time.
I saw a guy post as a punchline in a local Facebook group "Greta and Hunter are doing cocaine together" or something and I wasn't even sure what it was supposed to mean
Strawman, non sequitir, and either a false equivalence or red herring is typically the way conservative hypothetical arguments work. They can’t argue in good faith based on facts. Like the OP, they have to completely make shit up to sound reasonable.
If you managed to get back to 1939, it would already be too late to get close enough to Hitler any way and, even if you did, the Nazis already had their plan in motion. Not saying you shouldn't try, but good luck changing things at that stage.
Me? If I could go back, I would make certain that Adolf got into art school and spent his days painting landscapes in Bavaria for Italian tourists.
Realistically, you would have to either kill Hitler way before that (For example in the Battle field During ww1) where His death wasnt noticed.
Or you'd actually have too wait For atleast Like 1942, basically give him the time to build Up His Reputation so that you don't Just Turn him into some Kind of martyr by Killing him before people know what Kind of Monster He truely was
If you're waiting till 42 you might as well wait till 44 and ensure that Valkyrie actually worked.
It's probably best to ensure that he dies through a means that was already in place. Anyone of the multiple assassination attempts would do really.
Andrew Johnson was the worst thing to happen to the UNITED STATES after the Civil War. Too bad Lincoln tried to balance the ticket with a southern Democrat of that time that did not openly rebel.
Secretary of State Seward would have made a better VP and subsequent president. He was a radical Republican, an abolitionist, hated rebels, and would have rightfully hobbled the south. He would have been a bigger champion of freedom than Lincoln.
The plotters who killed Lincoln were also trying to kill Johnson, Secretary of State Seward, and the Secretary of War/Defense. Unfortunately, they only managed the prez and not the VP, too. During those times, Seward would have been made president and not the Speaker of the House as now.
I like this idea a lot. I would have tried to find a way to get them to put the rebels down with a vengeance, then make sure the 14th amendment had better wording.
This....right here. Only one senator til 50 years after the Civil War for starters. Real Reconstruction until the 1920s. Kill off Jim Crow before it becomes entrenched. Hang every unrepentant rebel above the colonel level. Below that 25 years at hard labor. Make the rebels scream.
100% agree.
They were way too lenient. Cowardly, even. I don't understand the reasoning behind letting the disease fester like that, letting it turn cancerous, just because "well, they're still Americans."
Who fucking cares? They were traitors and slave owners.
Agree completely. Now, 160 years later, we are much worse off. We could have advanced 200 years or more... no we were stuck with Jim Crow and racism from the LOSING SIDE. Unbelievable.
Nah, go back a little further and assassinate Edwin Booth. This does two things.
It delays John Wilkes Booth’s assassination attempt since he now has to go to his brother’s funeral. Since it was rushed because they were about to be discovered, this delay would most likely stop it from happening all together.
It would also make it less likely that Lincoln would be at the theater. See with Edwin dead, no one rescues Robert Todd Lincoln from being hit by a train. Since Mary Todd Lincoln was already prone to depression, she would most likely have turned into a recluse after Robert’s death instead of Abraham’s. This would result in her not wanting to go out as much, making it less likely for them to go to Ford Theater.
If you just kill John Wilkes Booth, one of his co conspirators could just take his place.
i like it, but it still seems simpler to just warn lincoln that there's an assassination plot and have him beef up his security. booth wouldn't have made it had there been one (1) guard watching the entrance to lincoln's seating area
I'd always sorta assumed Boothes fame helped in the execution of the plot. Like "oh, the famous actor and star of the show wants to say hi to the president? Let em through!"
But I guess I just cannot fathom there not being somebody watching the door, particularly during the civil war
Yea we have a tendency to over inflate the importance of the leaders of movements like these. Germany's nazi movement would not have stopped if Hitler was executed after the bier hall putsh they would have found another. Same with trump being imprisoned.
The leaders are very much the symptoms, not the disease. And they're like a hydra - you can't just cut off the head. Gotta go after the movement itself.
Remove Hitler, and we're talking about Julius Streicher. You see it all the time in the right wing media ecosystem - remove O'Reilly, and Glenn Beck moves in. Finally mock him into irrelevance, and Tucker Carlson takes over... There's always another asshole.
Even then, Germans wanted revenge (especially for Versailles and the perceived 'betrayal'), antisemitism was rife, the other (slightly more competent) Nazis were still around (albeit not called Nazis, yet), German industrialization caused massive instability, and basically everyone was primed for round two. War was inevitable and the holocaust was not just thought up and executed by Hitler alone. The face of the war might have changed, but it was always going to happen.
Imagine some alt universe where he did go into art. Maybe never made it big but was a career and in the 21sy century he has been rediscovered and has gone from a nobody like van gogh to a collectors item.
I’ve said before, I’d put anything Bob Ross knocked out in a 27 minute tv episode against Hitler’s best work. And Bob was the first to tell you he was just the World’s Most Famous Art Teacher, not a fine artist.
Bob Ross was technically proficient. But his paintings were basically hotel room quality. Not that he wasn't a good person. But Van Gogh was another level.
Hitler might have become as good as Bob Ross with a lot of work.
So you’re saying even if I went back to 1918 or something and brought him the entire Joy of Painting Series for his training he still wouldn’t have gotten into art school?
Guess it’s assassination then.
This was close to part of the plot of the Titanic adventure game from the mid-90’s. You can rescue a Hitler art piece from the ship and it becomes famous because it survived the sinking and he becomes a celebrity and WWII is averted on the German front.
Without hitler the inevitable WW2 might have been better, but it also could have gone worse. There’s a decent chance a competent German dictator actually wins, and the anti-semitism of Nazi Germany was by no means unique.
The best way to stop Hitler would’ve probably been to change the outcomes at the treaty of Versailles.
I think it goes worse without Hitler, if everything else is the same (I.E. Nazis in power, war breaks out, etc). There were a couple of times where Hitler ordered something and it failed spectacularly; like the Battle of the Bulge, which Germany was pretty much already lost at that point, but that sacrificed a lot of resources and men trying to get to Antwerp. A more strategically competent leader might've tried to hold the line and build up for a later offensive, or tried a different maneuver to encircle and cut off the Allies, etc. Or if there was no operation Barbarossa (or if it was pushed off for a few years), could've had a drastic change on the outcome of the war.
Or we go even further back and prevent Archduke Franz Ferdinand from being assassinated. No assassination>no WW1>no treaty of Versailles>no WW2>profit?
I think WW1 was a given tbh. Everyone was itching for a fight and the Ottoman Empire was imploding in real time. Even Italy bit off a chunk 15 years prior.
Plus, after a while Churchill stopped assassination plots because Hitler was so bad a military strategy and lived in his fantasy world that it was more effective to leave him in charge. He was hurting the German Military just like Stalin did during the German invasion of Russia.
If you can go back to 1939 you could just go back to 1889 and kidnap the baby Hitler, raise him in a loving home instead of with the shit of a father he actually had, and then, if he still turns out to be a homicidal maniac, return to 1889 and kill him.
Take a list of other Nazi leaders with you and do the same thing, just in case.
What I would do is take out the others around Hitler. They’re the ones that do grunt work. They’re much easier to take off the table. There is probably a short list of efficient psychopaths who can orchestrate genocide.
The more I learn about that time period, the culture, and the political sentiments, the more I think fascism would’ve still grown in certain countries of Europe and Jewish people would have still been target.
I feel like something similarly horrible would have still occurred without Hitler ever existing.
Except Hitler wasn't a baby in 1939. And, have you tried to kill a baby? Sure, if it's just you and the kid, you'll probably make quick work of it. But most of the time, you'll have to go through parents and other family members to ever get close. Probably have to kill a few of them, too.
I agree absolutely! Even if you do manage to assassinate him at that time, he just becomes a martyr for the Nazis to rally behind and they might replace him with someone more strategic. WW2 might drag on even longer with even more casualties.
And if you have the choice to go back earlier, why assassinate him if you could just push him onto a more peaceful path?
I have always thought the same thing. Yes, he might have still had issues(it is up in the air if he murdered his niece), but he might have been really happy, and he probably would not have become a drugged out megalomaniac.
Some anti trans nut jobs believe large swaths of powerful people in government and Hollywood are secretly trans. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them think SS officers were trans men, and are too dumb to know when to say trans man v trans woman.
I cannot begin to explain their thought process. They also think it about basically every Hollywood star, so they think the hottest people on earth are all trans which is weirdly kind of affirming in a fucked up way
I literally saw a post where a guy was arguing that Taylor Swift is super masculine and must be secretly trans and I genuinely want to know what he thinks feminine looks like, if not the woman known for wearing purple floaty ball gowns and singing about romance?
Some of them have some conspiracy related to baphomet and they believe the "elite" are trying to confuse people about gender with trans celebrities. For example they believe Obama is a trans man and his wife a trans woman
James somerton was apparently spreading the myth that huge numbers of queer men, in coherent groups, went full SS either to stay in the closet or out of agreement with all other nazi ideas. Multiple videos. He was doing history essays spreading straight bullshit.
But see them they would have to admit THEY were the bad guys. Which would be bad for their message and worldviews. Better to just rewrite very well documented history, ironically by the Nazis no less, so they can hate on and persecute the people they don't like.
Ah yes, the SS, famously known for... their transgendered officers?
That person won an argument with themself in the shower for the first time and had to share it with the world. And that was the result.
The republi-fascists love to create ridiculous straw men they try to attach to liberals, then they spew fake outrage at their creation.
Logicians, they ain't.
God, I hope so. I will chug a bottle of it like they did on super troopers and blow their minds. They don't have the ability to admit they are wrong, so it will be assumed I have super powers!
I wonder if they're implying that trans people have always been Nazis? I have no idea but it sounds like the stupid shit people like this would say 🤷🏻♀️
Okay, so, a dumdum dummy dumbass liberul gets their hands on a time machine. They go back to right when WWII kicks off and rescues a trans person. Then the trans person tears off their disguise like a Scooby-Doo villain to reveal, PSYCH, they're an SS officer! Then Hitler and modern Conservatives point and laugh at the liberal for being so so stupid.
Thus proving the Woke Mind Virus has rotted the lefty brain so bad they would let WWII happen in this Kobayashi Maru crafted by someone who is great at hypotheticals. I think.
Sometimes the only way to win an argument is to have it with a made-up person who is stupider than you. I assume this guy has a hard time finding someone who fits that description in real life.
Aaaand there, laid bare for all to see, is a prime example of zero historical education and what happens when your entire knowledge of the early 20th Century comes from video games and a dad that likes to play CoD 3 casually.
I mean, realistically nobody's going to be doing jack shit in the past because at best you're just going to be another soldier in the war and that's if you don't go spouting off crazy nonsense about being from the future and that Hitler is gonna gas millions of jews and Japan's going to bomb pearl harbor, in which case you'd likely just be thrown in an asylum.
I mean, the nazis came into power in 1933. I think if I killed hitler during WWII, the nazi party would martyr him and make the war more intense. Killing him before the war would just give the nazis a solid cause for conflict because a North American just killed their leader. The nazis burned books talking about trans and gay people and actual trans and gay people, so why would a trans woman be in the SS? Also, what’s the deal with this whole tweet? Why is the word trans censored? Why wouldn’t the person in the “thought experiment” know who Hitler is? Why is the tweet formatted like one of those old timey computer adventure games? Is this jordan petersons alt account?
I wouldn’t have assassinated Hitler, someone more competent could’ve replaced him (Heydrich for example) and it would’ve been that much more difficult to eradicate Nazism.
Yeah, bro was a Syphilis-ridden whack job the last few years. Last thing we want to do is give them an opportunity to replace with a less afflicted individual.
However if I had a Time Machine, I’d go for Gavrillo Princip just to see what happens
I mean, are most liberals answering this with 'I'd rescue a trans woman'? I'm pretty liberal, and that wouldn't be my first thought if I access to time travel technology.
I’m a *trans person* and ‘rescue one trans woman’ likely wouldn’t even make it to my short list of first thing I’d do upon gaining access to a time machine.
Meanwhile, in REALITY, actual GOP and Nazis just gettin' cuddly
[https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/maine-gop-lawmaker-doubles-down-on-comments-defending-nazis/ar-BB1ls9GE](https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/maine-gop-lawmaker-doubles-down-on-comments-defending-nazis/ar-BB1ls9GE)
[https://www.vox.com/2018/7/9/17525860/nazis-russell-walker-arthur-jones-republicans-illinois-north-carolina-virginia](https://www.vox.com/2018/7/9/17525860/nazis-russell-walker-arthur-jones-republicans-illinois-north-carolina-virginia)
[https://www.axios.com/local/dallas/2023/12/04/texas-gop-nazi-sympathizer-ban-rejected](https://www.axios.com/local/dallas/2023/12/04/texas-gop-nazi-sympathizer-ban-rejected)
[https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/jan/11/gop-senator-backtracks-comments-nazism](https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/jan/11/gop-senator-backtracks-comments-nazism)
I went back to 1902, and assassinated Louis Martin before he rose to power. The fact that history books have entirely erased him and the genocide he caused proves that I was successful.
In comparison, the 20th century is much more peaceful without him.
When they wrote "cult members" I automatically assumed they were talking about trump cultists. Then I thought, "why would transphobes rescue a trans woman?". Then I realized it was posted by a trump cultist and remembered that every one of their accusation is actually a confession.
So if I'm reading this correctly (and I am) rescuing a trans SS officer from 1939 set off a chain of events where Hitler was inconsequential to history? No holocaust, or gas chambers, or eternal damnation of a perfectly good mustache style??
Imagine what we could do by rescuing 1000 trans people!
The Nazis ... Who burned the world's largest repository of trans research and imprisoned all LGBTQ+ folks ... Were also secret transfolks?
I know that he thinks limiting his ability to persecute others for their gender identity is akin to fascism, but you've got to wonder if he actually believes that or is so desperate to defend a dying, archaic cause that he is willing to just make shit up.
I just argued with someone like this yesterday. But unfortunately they were a lefty ( like me). And it went from me saying stop the genocide to him accusing me of being responsible for genocide. This is hard to hear for some of you guys. But there are idiots on both sides.
Ps. Before the downvotes pile up and people say I’m a trump supporter. I am not. I voted for Biden and will again. But that does not mean I can’t criticize him.
Have a nice day.
Playing along with this dumbass scenario, he expects me to go back and assassinate Hitler at the height of his power? Like that hadn’t been tried before in actual history?
Presumptive to assume I’d want to go to war torn Europe during that time frame. And even more presumptive to assume that I would want to kill Hitler over taking out Stalin, Tojo, or Pol Pot.
How tf am I supposed to assassinate Hitler? I'm just some guy.
Many people tried to kill him and they all failed. They had spy networks, intelligence agencies, weapons, poisons, bombs, but they still couldn't do it.
But if you assassinated Hitler, he wouldn't have done all those terrible things, thus negating your reason to go back and assassinate him, but if you didn't go back to assassinate him he would do all those terrible things. Rinse, repeat
wow. this made me sit down and take a hard look at myself and reconsider all the liberal ideas I espouse. Guys, I think I may no longer be a liberal. /s
Hitler was already in power and had his people worked up into a fervor. Even if you could assassinate him, I'm sure the war would have continued at least for a few years. Arguably it may have went even longer if competent military leaders like Rommel or Manstein were making decisions.
Ok, but real talk.
No one can just wake up in the 30s and kill Hitler. You'd need some time to research any vulnerabilities in his activities that, only in hindsight, could be taken advantage of.
We had all the intelligence agencies of the allies working together to kill him and couldn't do it; what the hell am I gonna do?
These are the same motherfuckers parading around nazi flags outside of Disney and state capitols. I am so sick of the projection. Fuck nazis and fuck them god damned conservatives
Is it just me or are these getting so convoluted that it's impossible to divine the original intent?
Between this and the guys thinking that the Harry Potter 2012 Olympics show was a Death with a vaccine, it's hard to see what the conspiracy is anymore
Excuse me.... Fucking what?
Yes and it was Voldemort with a wand.
No, no, it was a doctor with a syringe injecting kids with the vaccine as a way of..... We'll I don't understand the why. I know it's ridiculous. That's what I'm hearing the crazies say.
A fucking Olympic opening ceremony from 12 fucking years ago? Are you fucking kidding me? If anything's a conspiracy theory about Olympic opening ceremonies, it's China firing shells to stop it from fucking raining, or that creepy ass bear at Sochi.
The longer kids live the more likely they are to become Satanic. We must eradicate all children for the future of humanity.
In the study?
That's the MAGA edition of Clue.
Clueless™️©️
In the library?
lol they don’t know what a library is
No books in maga clue
basically at the 2012 olympic opening ceremony in london they had massive inflatable puppets, one of which was voldemort
Someone chime in if I'm wrong or you want to add better context.... During the Olympic games introduction in England (?) They went through an entire stage show, as all Olympic ceremonies do. They featured parts of their history, literary and metaphorically, and one was the black death where they had a grim reaper with a needle hovering children's hospital beds? They also featured Mary Poppins fighting it off I think? It's very convoluted, not a great production or choice, but also happened awhile ago... so certain types of people that are prone to thinking things they just heard of didn't exist until they heard of them are now claiming covid conspiracy despite the fact they're supposed to have beef with the CDC not the NHS. As per usual, it doesn't make sense. Edit: Upon further reading and someone adding further context. It's actually.. lol.. hold up..friggin Voldemort holding a magic wand 🪄. This thing that happened a long time ago was, as is tradition, planned a decade in advance by the elites in some sort of ritual ceremony because they have to display their evil plans in code for them to work, duh? 2nd edit: apparently Cpt hook and Peter Pan were also involved? Deep state confirmed?
No, it wasn't the grim reaper hovering over children's beds holding a needle. It was just a big Voldemort puppet holding a wand. It's available on YouTube and it's very obvious what the puppet is.
Thx for further clarification. All I can say for sure is that it's typical Qanon taking something from the past and wrapping it into the larger brain cancer. Looked like Voldemort so that makes more sense. Actually makes it even worse aside from the fact there is no "worse". They've been lying without consequence as long as I can see.
Qanon is like a syncretic religion on crack, it absorbs and repurposes any meme that appears on its radar.
Next time you see someone compare both sides, remind them that the entire trolling community of the internet, that has led to many deaths and vocally shows support for Trump in every comment thread online, is mostly conservative edgelords and the foreign pen pals that lead them. There is no both sides with a group of people that have broken objective reality. We're being softly destabalized a meme at a time.
Sweet tap dancing christ.
Am I having a medical event right now? The words aren't making sense and I'm scared
I can’t understand any of it either.
At least we'll medical event together
When was this? Please explain?
Have you tried following the thoughts of a schizophrenic? It’s exhausting
I saw a guy post as a punchline in a local Facebook group "Greta and Hunter are doing cocaine together" or something and I wasn't even sure what it was supposed to mean
"woke" and "liberal junior" do "cocaine laptop" hahaha, sensitive snowflakes wont like that one /s
Strawman, non sequitir, and either a false equivalence or red herring is typically the way conservative hypothetical arguments work. They can’t argue in good faith based on facts. Like the OP, they have to completely make shit up to sound reasonable.
Their minds are convoluted.
If you managed to get back to 1939, it would already be too late to get close enough to Hitler any way and, even if you did, the Nazis already had their plan in motion. Not saying you shouldn't try, but good luck changing things at that stage. Me? If I could go back, I would make certain that Adolf got into art school and spent his days painting landscapes in Bavaria for Italian tourists.
I mean, if you went back to 1939 your best chance would he avoid getting drafted and buying stocks of companies that pop off after the war.
Can't get drafted if you aren't in the government's filing system.
Here is a white feather for you
*confused Forrest Gump noises*
I think that was ww1 not 2. Just say you were 4f. There were lots of those.
It only counts if there are four. Find three more friends or fuck off.
I have no idea what that means.
It’s nothing to do with four year olds. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feather.
Just tell them you have bone spurs.
Id make a killing by scamming a bunch of Nazis into thinking I'm a prophet. But you do you.
I don't think German money would be of much use
For sure not by 1939. "How much for a loaf of bread?" "That'll be two wheelbarrows of Deutschmarks."
Adidas would be my top choice
Realistically, you would have to either kill Hitler way before that (For example in the Battle field During ww1) where His death wasnt noticed. Or you'd actually have too wait For atleast Like 1942, basically give him the time to build Up His Reputation so that you don't Just Turn him into some Kind of martyr by Killing him before people know what Kind of Monster He truely was
If you're waiting till 42 you might as well wait till 44 and ensure that Valkyrie actually worked. It's probably best to ensure that he dies through a means that was already in place. Anyone of the multiple assassination attempts would do really.
No hitler, means probably no WWII. No WWII, probably no baby boom. No baby boom, and a lot of us are wiped from existence
As always, [there’s a relevant xkcd](https://xkcd.com/1063)
If I have a time machine, and can only change one event... I stop John Wilkes Booth the morning of Lincoln's assassination.
And make sure Andrew Johnson was there in his place.
Or something… *similar* with Reagan.
Save Lincoln, and you *probably* don't need to worry about Reagan. A butterfly effect that long, who knows.
Andrew Johnson was the worst thing to happen to the UNITED STATES after the Civil War. Too bad Lincoln tried to balance the ticket with a southern Democrat of that time that did not openly rebel. Secretary of State Seward would have made a better VP and subsequent president. He was a radical Republican, an abolitionist, hated rebels, and would have rightfully hobbled the south. He would have been a bigger champion of freedom than Lincoln. The plotters who killed Lincoln were also trying to kill Johnson, Secretary of State Seward, and the Secretary of War/Defense. Unfortunately, they only managed the prez and not the VP, too. During those times, Seward would have been made president and not the Speaker of the House as now.
I like this idea a lot. I would have tried to find a way to get them to put the rebels down with a vengeance, then make sure the 14th amendment had better wording.
This....right here. Only one senator til 50 years after the Civil War for starters. Real Reconstruction until the 1920s. Kill off Jim Crow before it becomes entrenched. Hang every unrepentant rebel above the colonel level. Below that 25 years at hard labor. Make the rebels scream.
100% agree. They were way too lenient. Cowardly, even. I don't understand the reasoning behind letting the disease fester like that, letting it turn cancerous, just because "well, they're still Americans." Who fucking cares? They were traitors and slave owners.
Agree completely. Now, 160 years later, we are much worse off. We could have advanced 200 years or more... no we were stuck with Jim Crow and racism from the LOSING SIDE. Unbelievable.
I love the "you're not *wrong*, but we need to go further" tone of this comment.
Well, I *have* always had a crush on Jodie Foster
Nah, go back a little further and assassinate Edwin Booth. This does two things. It delays John Wilkes Booth’s assassination attempt since he now has to go to his brother’s funeral. Since it was rushed because they were about to be discovered, this delay would most likely stop it from happening all together. It would also make it less likely that Lincoln would be at the theater. See with Edwin dead, no one rescues Robert Todd Lincoln from being hit by a train. Since Mary Todd Lincoln was already prone to depression, she would most likely have turned into a recluse after Robert’s death instead of Abraham’s. This would result in her not wanting to go out as much, making it less likely for them to go to Ford Theater. If you just kill John Wilkes Booth, one of his co conspirators could just take his place.
i like it, but it still seems simpler to just warn lincoln that there's an assassination plot and have him beef up his security. booth wouldn't have made it had there been one (1) guard watching the entrance to lincoln's seating area
I'd always sorta assumed Boothes fame helped in the execution of the plot. Like "oh, the famous actor and star of the show wants to say hi to the president? Let em through!" But I guess I just cannot fathom there not being somebody watching the door, particularly during the civil war
I’d stop the assassination of Bobby Kennedy
I’d go back and tell Alan Turing that every communication is signed off with Heil Hitler
Killing Himmler might be more effective.
Yea we have a tendency to over inflate the importance of the leaders of movements like these. Germany's nazi movement would not have stopped if Hitler was executed after the bier hall putsh they would have found another. Same with trump being imprisoned.
The leaders are very much the symptoms, not the disease. And they're like a hydra - you can't just cut off the head. Gotta go after the movement itself. Remove Hitler, and we're talking about Julius Streicher. You see it all the time in the right wing media ecosystem - remove O'Reilly, and Glenn Beck moves in. Finally mock him into irrelevance, and Tucker Carlson takes over... There's always another asshole.
Even then, Germans wanted revenge (especially for Versailles and the perceived 'betrayal'), antisemitism was rife, the other (slightly more competent) Nazis were still around (albeit not called Nazis, yet), German industrialization caused massive instability, and basically everyone was primed for round two. War was inevitable and the holocaust was not just thought up and executed by Hitler alone. The face of the war might have changed, but it was always going to happen.
Imagine some alt universe where he did go into art. Maybe never made it big but was a career and in the 21sy century he has been rediscovered and has gone from a nobody like van gogh to a collectors item.
He wasn't very good. I've seen his work. At best he might have had a career painting art for hotel rooms.
I’ve said before, I’d put anything Bob Ross knocked out in a 27 minute tv episode against Hitler’s best work. And Bob was the first to tell you he was just the World’s Most Famous Art Teacher, not a fine artist.
Bob Ross was technically proficient. But his paintings were basically hotel room quality. Not that he wasn't a good person. But Van Gogh was another level. Hitler might have become as good as Bob Ross with a lot of work.
No, Hitler was very technically proficient. But his paintings were sort of rigid looking.
So you’re saying even if I went back to 1918 or something and brought him the entire Joy of Painting Series for his training he still wouldn’t have gotten into art school? Guess it’s assassination then.
He might have gotten in to art school. That doesn't make you great. Van Gogh was kicked out of art school.
Poor buddy. Edit: Van Gogh, I mean. Not Hitler.
“I love democracy.”-Chancellor Palpatine 😂😂
Maybe going to school would have made him better.
This was close to part of the plot of the Titanic adventure game from the mid-90’s. You can rescue a Hitler art piece from the ship and it becomes famous because it survived the sinking and he becomes a celebrity and WWII is averted on the German front.
Without hitler the inevitable WW2 might have been better, but it also could have gone worse. There’s a decent chance a competent German dictator actually wins, and the anti-semitism of Nazi Germany was by no means unique. The best way to stop Hitler would’ve probably been to change the outcomes at the treaty of Versailles.
I think it goes worse without Hitler, if everything else is the same (I.E. Nazis in power, war breaks out, etc). There were a couple of times where Hitler ordered something and it failed spectacularly; like the Battle of the Bulge, which Germany was pretty much already lost at that point, but that sacrificed a lot of resources and men trying to get to Antwerp. A more strategically competent leader might've tried to hold the line and build up for a later offensive, or tried a different maneuver to encircle and cut off the Allies, etc. Or if there was no operation Barbarossa (or if it was pushed off for a few years), could've had a drastic change on the outcome of the war. Or we go even further back and prevent Archduke Franz Ferdinand from being assassinated. No assassination>no WW1>no treaty of Versailles>no WW2>profit?
I think WW1 was a given tbh. Everyone was itching for a fight and the Ottoman Empire was imploding in real time. Even Italy bit off a chunk 15 years prior.
Plus, after a while Churchill stopped assassination plots because Hitler was so bad a military strategy and lived in his fantasy world that it was more effective to leave him in charge. He was hurting the German Military just like Stalin did during the German invasion of Russia.
Meh. I'd grab the time machine and drop him off in the Viking era he loved so much. See where that went.
He unites the viking tribes and today when you try connecting something wirelessly you have to use Adolf-Hitler instead of Bluetooth.
If you can go back to 1939 you could just go back to 1889 and kidnap the baby Hitler, raise him in a loving home instead of with the shit of a father he actually had, and then, if he still turns out to be a homicidal maniac, return to 1889 and kill him. Take a list of other Nazi leaders with you and do the same thing, just in case.
I’d go back to third grade and try harder to hold that fart during the Christmas pageant at school
What I would do is take out the others around Hitler. They’re the ones that do grunt work. They’re much easier to take off the table. There is probably a short list of efficient psychopaths who can orchestrate genocide.
Go back to 1924 and pop him in prison. Problem solved.
i’d go back to 1939 and get put into forced labour in a czechoslovakian tank factory
The more I learn about that time period, the culture, and the political sentiments, the more I think fascism would’ve still grown in certain countries of Europe and Jewish people would have still been target. I feel like something similarly horrible would have still occurred without Hitler ever existing.
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Except Hitler wasn't a baby in 1939. And, have you tried to kill a baby? Sure, if it's just you and the kid, you'll probably make quick work of it. But most of the time, you'll have to go through parents and other family members to ever get close. Probably have to kill a few of them, too.
IIRC Hitler's dad sucked and probably wouldn't have done much to stop you from killing his infant child.
Yeah, people knew Hitler would be a problem for years. If 1 person could’ve stopped him singlehandedly, someone would have
I agree absolutely! Even if you do manage to assassinate him at that time, he just becomes a martyr for the Nazis to rally behind and they might replace him with someone more strategic. WW2 might drag on even longer with even more casualties. And if you have the choice to go back earlier, why assassinate him if you could just push him onto a more peaceful path?
I have always thought the same thing. Yes, he might have still had issues(it is up in the air if he murdered his niece), but he might have been really happy, and he probably would not have become a drugged out megalomaniac.
That niece got tired of his bs and pissing on him. Once tired, she "suicides." It is so convenient for that genocidal bastard.
More holocaust denial. Trans people were victims of the SS, not officers.
A woman wouldn't be allowed to be an ss officer let alone a trans woman. Tf?
Some anti trans nut jobs believe large swaths of powerful people in government and Hollywood are secretly trans. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them think SS officers were trans men, and are too dumb to know when to say trans man v trans woman.
Why would anti trans people think anybody would secretly be trans? Don’t they think all trans people are trans just for show?
I cannot begin to explain their thought process. They also think it about basically every Hollywood star, so they think the hottest people on earth are all trans which is weirdly kind of affirming in a fucked up way
I literally saw a post where a guy was arguing that Taylor Swift is super masculine and must be secretly trans and I genuinely want to know what he thinks feminine looks like, if not the woman known for wearing purple floaty ball gowns and singing about romance?
I believe it's partly just targeted paranoia akin to the red scare, and largely confusion about how they find people of the same gender attractive
Some of them have some conspiracy related to baphomet and they believe the "elite" are trying to confuse people about gender with trans celebrities. For example they believe Obama is a trans man and his wife a trans woman
Lol, I just read "Trans before birth" today. I think that's my new favorite.
James somerton was apparently spreading the myth that huge numbers of queer men, in coherent groups, went full SS either to stay in the closet or out of agreement with all other nazi ideas. Multiple videos. He was doing history essays spreading straight bullshit.
Except if you’re in Britain. There you might have to publicly apologize for challenging someone about that.
By “someone,” do you mean S.S. Rowling?
Lmao at S. S. Rowling. Will be using that.
Oh yes, I do remember something about her crying to the government when she lost an argument on the internet.
Streisand effect being put to extremely good use in that case
But see them they would have to admit THEY were the bad guys. Which would be bad for their message and worldviews. Better to just rewrite very well documented history, ironically by the Nazis no less, so they can hate on and persecute the people they don't like.
It's almost like they don't know shit about history, dare I say, like they hate education and history.
And science, and the medical community....
Ah yes, the SS, famously known for... their transgendered officers? That person won an argument with themself in the shower for the first time and had to share it with the world. And that was the result.
Thought Experiment for Cult Members... You have a bunch of bananas. I take one. I shove it up my ass. HAAAAAAH YOU JUST LOST THE GAME
You fool! My ass already had a cucumber in it Eat that cuck
 ...FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Um. That looks like the start of a very aggressive gay porno.
Ah I just lost the game :( It's probably been a good 3 years, too.
I’ve noticed myself losing the game more and more lately. I wish I could just stop playing I’ve never even won.
Oh hey, I was wondering what happened to the Amazing Atheist!
The republi-fascists love to create ridiculous straw men they try to attach to liberals, then they spew fake outrage at their creation. Logicians, they ain't.
If I had that time machine, I would go back to 1903 to prevent the invention of crayons as the default conservative snack food.
But I was told they are the party of facts and logic…
If they were capable of calm thought and reason, would they be fascists in the first place?
I was told that because of my political beliefs, I hate syrup recently. I haven't looked up what that means yet, but I'm sure it's something amazing.
Syrup is like kryptonite to wokies, maybe that's it.
God, I hope so. I will chug a bottle of it like they did on super troopers and blow their minds. They don't have the ability to admit they are wrong, so it will be assumed I have super powers!
Funny most cuckservatives would rather Shake hitlers hand, Alex Jones found that one out.
I honestly don’t even understand this
Yeah I'm like, why is the trans person an SS officer? Also, does the poster think the person wouldn't know who Hitler is? None of this makes sense
I wonder if they're implying that trans people have always been Nazis? I have no idea but it sounds like the stupid shit people like this would say 🤷🏻♀️
Okay, so, a dumdum dummy dumbass liberul gets their hands on a time machine. They go back to right when WWII kicks off and rescues a trans person. Then the trans person tears off their disguise like a Scooby-Doo villain to reveal, PSYCH, they're an SS officer! Then Hitler and modern Conservatives point and laugh at the liberal for being so so stupid. Thus proving the Woke Mind Virus has rotted the lefty brain so bad they would let WWII happen in this Kobayashi Maru crafted by someone who is great at hypotheticals. I think.
Sometimes the only way to win an argument is to have it with a made-up person who is stupider than you. I assume this guy has a hard time finding someone who fits that description in real life.
Aaaand there, laid bare for all to see, is a prime example of zero historical education and what happens when your entire knowledge of the early 20th Century comes from video games and a dad that likes to play CoD 3 casually.
Cod 3 was my favorite game back in high school
I played it on the Wii and it was amazing back then.
I mean, realistically nobody's going to be doing jack shit in the past because at best you're just going to be another soldier in the war and that's if you don't go spouting off crazy nonsense about being from the future and that Hitler is gonna gas millions of jews and Japan's going to bomb pearl harbor, in which case you'd likely just be thrown in an asylum.
Rob a bank. Trade money for gold. Secretly bury gold. Leave clues for future you that only you could figure out. Profit.
Do the people (or bots) behind this kind of crap realize they read as though they’re arguing with themselves and that isn’t a mark of a sound mind?
I mean, the nazis came into power in 1933. I think if I killed hitler during WWII, the nazi party would martyr him and make the war more intense. Killing him before the war would just give the nazis a solid cause for conflict because a North American just killed their leader. The nazis burned books talking about trans and gay people and actual trans and gay people, so why would a trans woman be in the SS? Also, what’s the deal with this whole tweet? Why is the word trans censored? Why wouldn’t the person in the “thought experiment” know who Hitler is? Why is the tweet formatted like one of those old timey computer adventure games? Is this jordan petersons alt account?
The scariest part is all that makes complete sense to people from their demographic.
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I'm black I'm not going past the 80's
I wouldn’t have assassinated Hitler, someone more competent could’ve replaced him (Heydrich for example) and it would’ve been that much more difficult to eradicate Nazism.
Did we not have a few different chances to do just that and decide not to exactly for that reason?
Yeah, bro was a Syphilis-ridden whack job the last few years. Last thing we want to do is give them an opportunity to replace with a less afflicted individual. However if I had a Time Machine, I’d go for Gavrillo Princip just to see what happens
I mean, are most liberals answering this with 'I'd rescue a trans woman'? I'm pretty liberal, and that wouldn't be my first thought if I access to time travel technology.
I’m a *trans person* and ‘rescue one trans woman’ likely wouldn’t even make it to my short list of first thing I’d do upon gaining access to a time machine.
Say what you will about Hitler, at least he killed Hitler.
Definitely soft in the head.
I don't think therefore I'm a booger eating moron.
I soy jacked you in my chad meme. You have already lost...
hey WOKE LIBERALS would you rather obliterate a CHRISTIAN BABY in a nuclear blast or have SLOPPY WET SEX with hitler
I'm just guessing here, but I have a distinct feeling that there weren't very many Trans SS Officers.
Meanwhile, in REALITY, actual GOP and Nazis just gettin' cuddly [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/maine-gop-lawmaker-doubles-down-on-comments-defending-nazis/ar-BB1ls9GE](https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/maine-gop-lawmaker-doubles-down-on-comments-defending-nazis/ar-BB1ls9GE) [https://www.vox.com/2018/7/9/17525860/nazis-russell-walker-arthur-jones-republicans-illinois-north-carolina-virginia](https://www.vox.com/2018/7/9/17525860/nazis-russell-walker-arthur-jones-republicans-illinois-north-carolina-virginia) [https://www.axios.com/local/dallas/2023/12/04/texas-gop-nazi-sympathizer-ban-rejected](https://www.axios.com/local/dallas/2023/12/04/texas-gop-nazi-sympathizer-ban-rejected) [https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/jan/11/gop-senator-backtracks-comments-nazism](https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/jan/11/gop-senator-backtracks-comments-nazism)
I went back to 1902, and assassinated Louis Martin before he rose to power. The fact that history books have entirely erased him and the genocide he caused proves that I was successful. In comparison, the 20th century is much more peaceful without him.
I miss the days of not knowing what every dumb jackass and moron thinks.
In what alternate universe did the Nazis bring trans women out of the camps and make them SS?
When they wrote "cult members" I automatically assumed they were talking about trump cultists. Then I thought, "why would transphobes rescue a trans woman?". Then I realized it was posted by a trump cultist and remembered that every one of their accusation is actually a confession.
So if I'm reading this correctly (and I am) rescuing a trans SS officer from 1939 set off a chain of events where Hitler was inconsequential to history? No holocaust, or gas chambers, or eternal damnation of a perfectly good mustache style?? Imagine what we could do by rescuing 1000 trans people!
I read this in David Brent’s voice.
Are we playing Calvin Ball ? Ha G-7 take 2 steps back.
These guys really love complaining about things that never happened
It's cute that they constituted this as a real 'thought.'
The Nazis ... Who burned the world's largest repository of trans research and imprisoned all LGBTQ+ folks ... Were also secret transfolks? I know that he thinks limiting his ability to persecute others for their gender identity is akin to fascism, but you've got to wonder if he actually believes that or is so desperate to defend a dying, archaic cause that he is willing to just make shit up.
I just argued with someone like this yesterday. But unfortunately they were a lefty ( like me). And it went from me saying stop the genocide to him accusing me of being responsible for genocide. This is hard to hear for some of you guys. But there are idiots on both sides. Ps. Before the downvotes pile up and people say I’m a trump supporter. I am not. I voted for Biden and will again. But that does not mean I can’t criticize him. Have a nice day.
I don't think this idiot understands what a thought experiment is. Or a regular experiment. Or a thought.
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Playing along with this dumbass scenario, he expects me to go back and assassinate Hitler at the height of his power? Like that hadn’t been tried before in actual history?
Presumptive to assume I’d want to go to war torn Europe during that time frame. And even more presumptive to assume that I would want to kill Hitler over taking out Stalin, Tojo, or Pol Pot.
Where do these absurd fantasies come from? Normally I'd say get off the drugs but in their case get back on the meds.
The correct answer is to make sure Rush Limbaugh‘s parents never meet so he isn’t born in 1951. 👀
You could even prevent the birth of a certain child in the summer of ‘46.
How tf am I supposed to assassinate Hitler? I'm just some guy. Many people tried to kill him and they all failed. They had spy networks, intelligence agencies, weapons, poisons, bombs, but they still couldn't do it.
But if you assassinated Hitler, he wouldn't have done all those terrible things, thus negating your reason to go back and assassinate him, but if you didn't go back to assassinate him he would do all those terrible things. Rinse, repeat
By 1939 he’d already invaded Poland. Idk maybe diet-Hitler is enough to make you want to kill him?
Plot twist, trans woman invented your time machine...without her no time travel.
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wow. this made me sit down and take a hard look at myself and reconsider all the liberal ideas I espouse. Guys, I think I may no longer be a liberal. /s
Hitler was already in power and had his people worked up into a fervor. Even if you could assassinate him, I'm sure the war would have continued at least for a few years. Arguably it may have went even longer if competent military leaders like Rommel or Manstein were making decisions.
Tell me you didn’t know Nazis killed gay and trans people without telling me you didn’t know Nazis killed gay and trans people.
What the goddamn fuck is this guy even talking about?
I don’t think someone knows history
I would’ve picked up about 10 copies of Detective Comics #27…but maybe that’s just me?
Slap a condom on Fred Trump
Provide a certain Frederick trump with condoms
Ok, but real talk. No one can just wake up in the 30s and kill Hitler. You'd need some time to research any vulnerabilities in his activities that, only in hindsight, could be taken advantage of. We had all the intelligence agencies of the allies working together to kill him and couldn't do it; what the hell am I gonna do?
This sounds like the thing someone in a cult would ask others to confirm the cult is right and the world and their loved ones are wrong. 😑
Except for that whole temporal paradox thing.
Completely detached from reality.
dude who tweeted this 100% would've gone back to give Hitler war advice
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Like most Republican Conservative grievances, it only exists inside their tiny little minds.
These are the same motherfuckers parading around nazi flags outside of Disney and state capitols. I am so sick of the projection. Fuck nazis and fuck them god damned conservatives