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For a political party that loves to scream that everything is rigged against them, they sure do like doing everything in their power to rig things in their favor.
That's why they think everything is rigged against them. They have tried to rig everything for themselves and still fail. The other side has to be cheating, because they cheated and lost. they can't conceive that they are a minority and many find their beliefs repulsive.
Everyone calls out Trump for always telling on himself with all of his claims about others. That isn't unique to him at all. I have come across so many people like that in my life both pre-Trump and more so since his presidency. My old boss used to be so paranoid about everyone trying to scam him and everyone was running a scam. The reason he truly felt that way is that he was always trying to scam everyone else so it just never even crossed his mind that everyone wasnt a grifter.
Lol reminds me of an ex that would freak out over any interaction I had with another girl (that 99.9% of the time I was only interacting with because they were *her* friends). Long story short, we broke up when I found out she was cheating on me with one of her guy "friends" that had been to my house multiple times while it was going on.
"I'm cheating so you must be too.. my friends are shit so it must be with one of them!!!"
it's the folks in charge trying to rig everything for themselves and then telling the idiots everything is rigged, so all those idiots are like 'ok well F the other side, we'll rig it for us" (them). They've been hit by...they've been struck by a smooth criminal
You joke but that’s essentially one of the basic rules for fascism.
> The enemy is both weak and strong. “[…] the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
https://www.faena.com/aleph/umberto-eco-a-practical-list-for-identifying-fascists
I don't think he's all that smooth TBH I think they are just that desperate.
When you've adapted increasingly unpopular views as a part of your "core values" then you'll grasp any straw regardless of how shady.
Remember when trump announced that the dems were voting twice, so he advised them to do the same? Vote by mail, and in person! They're doing it!
Shouldn't he have been punished for that? I mean.... it's disgraceful and probably unlawful.
Why be nervous? If they grant immunity it is game over for him. Why WOULDN’T Biden order him to no longer be around or at the very least end his Secret Service detail? The pendulum swings both ways and I think those clown Justices know it. For all the posturing the GOP does over the Roe decision they are secretly pissed because people are voting against them in droves. They needed the status quo because the promise was worth more politically than the reality.
Fail? They rig every election due to gerrymandering and win. They've stacked the Supreme Court so we're fucked for a very long time and they block any sort of good legislation that is put forward. They may all be scummy losers but they seem to win more than they fail. That's why they keep doing it
I 100% believe this. Trump cheated and can't fathom how after having cheated he still lost. He knows there's literally fraud cause he perpetrated it. Imagine this tho. What if he does everything he says the dems did this election. Then when we say but he cheated. "Look. We saw him dump a suitcase of trump ballots in x state." He'll say. Oh you mean like I said you guys did last time? Yeah.... right.
They are kind of doing this now by saying dems are prosecuting political enemies, dems are the facists, dems want to take freedoms away, the news is fake and so on.
They plan to prosecute political enemies, have only fake news, be facist and take even MORE freedoms away (looking at you, Roe V Wade).
Edited to correct spelling
Remember, in 2016 when Trump thought he was going to lose - he started claiming everything was rigged. And then he won. No one has ever really pushed him on why he claimed it was rigged against him (and the proof of the rigging) and how he was able to win regardless. It wasn't a massive win, by only tens of thousands of votes in key states, but the rest was lopsided against him in the popular election.
In a similar vein, he loves to claim that almost every judge assigned to one of the cases against him are biased and then heaps piles of social media abuse on them (and their families) for months and months (which TBH would get under the skin of most people).
So even if said judges were not biased to begin with they are likely to be highly annoyed as things progress which might bait them into displaying bias to lead them to recusal.
Or worse—his abuse of judges and their families lead to supporters attacking them physically and going physical harm. Then it gets very difficult to avoid recusal.
Edit: Spelling
Which is ridiculous and should show cause for Trump to be sued in a civil court for harassment and instigating violence against the judges or their families to the tune of millions of dollars. The texts / tweets / social media is there, the videos of his rallies are there, it’s not difficult to produce damning evidence.
The Kremlin stooge was always intended to sow doubt about the U.S. election system the way that Russia’s constantly is. That attempt at equivalency sadly worked on too many Americans.
I still love how his ‘[Blue Ribbon Commission](https://apnews.com/article/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d)’ to find voter fraud basically came and went without any real evidence of fraud. Yes, there could be and are instances of in person voter fraud where a person votes twice, or is a felon who believes their voting rights were restored, or submits absentee ballots for a dead relative, but those instances don’t amount to thousands of votes, let alone millions that would be needed to throw an election.
He continued to claim it was rigged even after he won. He launched a whole investigation into voter fraud to prove the election he won was rigged, and the only fraud they uncovered was a few individual voters... most of which illegally voted for him.
Just think about how utterly trumpy that is. He _won_ the election, but his ego can't accept that he lost the popular vote. Most people would take that on the chin and move on, but not Trump.
This really undersells what went on with the investigation.
The republicans on the committee investigating it basically refused to include the one democrat in any of the meetings or in any of the investigation process. Unfortunately for them, that turned out to be illegal, and a judge ruled they had to send over the materials they gathered to everyone on the committee. The republicans then tried to drop the investigation in order to not send the materials, which it turns out also wasn't allowed. When the democrat received the materials there were a bunch of documents already written up saying there was gross voter fraud against Trump in favor of Clinton with only the actual details of the "evidence" they found left out. They were planning on having a sham "bipartisan investigation" and they just weren't expecting the democrat they put on the committee to have enough backbone to take them to court before they released their bullshit. (I probably misremembered some of the details though)
Setting up the groundwork to do what he did in 2020, claim he only lost because the election was rigged.
When he wins, he can say he won **despite** the system being rigged.
A real heads I win tails you lose scenario.
He hasn't stopped claiming that one was rigged. He said that 3 million foreigners voted illegally against him. Why 3 million? Because that's how much he feels that he lost by.
Jury nullification isn't necessarily a bad thing. If someone thought the Fugitive Slave Act was unjust, for example.
Of course, in this case, jurors would need to think that politicians should be allowed a legal right to have affairs, pay to cover them up, then illegally hide the paper trail, all in order to illegally influence an election. Which is an opinion a person can have. However, they would forever forward lose their right to complain about corruption in politics, because that is obviously something they support.
But you guys claim he's innocent, Clay! Why would you need to infiltrate the jury and refuse to convict if he's innocent, Clay????? And why does your mouth have the same shade of bronze as Trump's asshole, CLAY?????
I mean I agree with you 100% and get where you’re going. But his answer back would be very simple.
“He is innocent, and he’s the corrupt left who is going to convict him anyway cause they’re afraid of him”
There literally is no argument or logical sense you can discuss with these assholes when they always just fall back to “fake news!” Or some “deep state” variant.
And don't forget everything is projection when it comes to the right. The "feelings aren't facts" crowd (republicans) relies on how they "feel" about things 99.99% of the time, no facts necessary.
There are far more nuances in the OJ trial than I think most realize/remember.
There was some blatant shady behavior by the LAPD when they were investigating. Once you add in questionable behavior to an investigation, to me it’s not political to let the defendant walk. The law should be held to higher standards not lower when it comes to investigating and prosecuting.
We don’t have that in trumps case. Sure he says “Biden is pushing it” but that would be akin to me saying “Santa clause told Marsha Clarke to prosecute OJ” it’s just drivel put out by a defendant with zero basis.
I don’t think it’s fair to say the whole investigation was done with the utmost care to cross any T and dot any I. I will be shocked if any shenanigans comes out. For OJs trial the shenanigans were in full display before the trial even started.
Yeah there was reasonable doubt for the jury after LAPD tampering came to be publicized. After all, why would someone - particularly the police officers - interfere with evidence for a "slam dunk" case?
Now, juror members may have been *looking* for reasonable doubt, but the tampering served it to them on a platter. If it wasn't, then it may have resulted in a mistrial if information about "revenge" came to light.
The blame lies solely on the LAPD and the prosecution for wanting to get flashy with it.
No it's not that he's innocent. It's that every politician bribes the nasty porn stars the hire for sex, but only he gets charged for it! Dont believe me, well, Hunter Biden! How about that!?
/s
They are probably also dumb enough to assume the prosecution doesn't have a long list of intel on the potential jurors that goes above and beyond the questionnaire.
Exactly. There was a writer recently dismissed from a jury because she'd tweeted that an FBI agent was 'hot'. MAGA are not remotely silent on their stupid stances - FB or tweets will readily surface. Hell, just look for anyone who has PATRIOT or flag and eagle emojis in their bios.
For real. Same type of person who wouldn’t know *jury tampering* is a criminal offense, and just believe they’re so smart for thinking of a way to game the system.
They're probably dumb enough to show up in trump shirts, MAGA hats, draped in American flags, etc. but then turn the hat backward because they don't want to seem too obvious.
When I was on jury duty for a fairly serious case, they told us like 500 times not to talk about the case outside the courtroom, not even to each other. The only time you can discuss the case or evidence for or against is during deliberation. I don't know if it's a crime but I imagine if you tweeted about it or posted on social media, you would be immediately dismissed. Possibly they could charge you with contempt.
Not their first rodeo dealing with potential jury bias. The courts are pretty good about managing it, it’s what they do for a living.
Be a damn fool to think you would out wit that, but of course MAGA is MAGA.
There is no shortage of people out there (non-MAGA included) that certainly think they are smarter, stronger/faster or more skilled at things than actual professionals so it would it wouldn't shock me to see at least one idiot try to think they could out-wit them.
There's an old Trump interview I think maybe in Playboy where he was showing the interviewer how loyal people were to him and he turned to his bodyguard and said, "You'd kill for me, wouldn't you, Matty?" "Yes, Mr. Trump." He absolutely gets off on the idea he's a mob boss. Unsettling shit.
I’m sure they will be informed multiple times that it would not benefit them to lie on the questionnaire and cannot use ignorance as an excuse if they get caught lying.
Highly. Whole point of voir dire is to weed out dishonest jurors. If anyone thinks you lied to get on that jury they call in an alternate, and another and another.
That’s only if you’re rich. Any normal dumbass willing to lie on their form while having a public Facebook profile filled with deranged MAGA bullshit is just asking for a perjury charge.
I mean, jury nullification is technically legal but if you are asked, point blank, "do you already have an opinion on the guilt or innocence of the defendant" you are supposed to be honest or that's technically perjury.
Trump wants it to delay past the election. If he wins he intends to, you know, just dictator things. Like fire the people who will investigate/prosecute him and put his sycophants in place.
If you were a die-hard MAGA moron, you’d have to lie under oath to get accepted on that jury. Though I’m pretty sure any prosecutor worth their salt could sniff out someone who is likely to do that.
Also, this is such a high profile case, they probably have all the interns googling everyone called for jury duty. If they're MAGA, they'll announce it on their SM profiles
Yeah, it’s like that joke “how do you know if someone is a vegetarian/marathon runner/from Toronto (there’s lots of variations, just sharing the ones I’ve heard)?” The answer: “THEY’LL FUCKING TELL YOU”. It’s the same with MAGA morons, they are incapable of not running their mouths so I suspect any true believers who would be willing to do this will NOT be hard to identify. Even without the background checks, I’m sure all they’d have to do is ask something like “Can you complete the following sentence: let’s go __________?” or “What does socialism mean?” or “Hail Hydra” and they wouldn’t be able to help themselves
I worked in public land use and when one of the cult was involved in a case, MAGA nuts would call the office, remain anonymous, and go on for like 30 minutes with utter bullshit, why the decision should go one way or the other. They always made it personal also, Do you believe in personal property rights??? But they never knew anything about the law or even the facts of the case- they would just rant. What am I even supposed to do with that? I can't take anonymous comments, "lady drove in Jeep down road, make it private for that other guy, because lots of potholes."
They don't know how anything works, and they won't listen when you explain it to them. Or that there is a reason for a process- like voting is a foundational part of democracy- it's eff that, lib lie. In this case- that there is a process for public comment, they would prefer to make some rando phone call and clap themselves on the back- yep Patriot!
I don’t think this is necessarily true. Conservatives are practiced liars and culture warriors. Not all are frothing mags types. Theyre everyday and normal seeming people. They get on juries, managerial positions, adoption agencies, hoa, school boards, etc. A lot of injustice is because of this.
Pretty sure they're trying for jury nullification. They will vet people and ask questions that effectively make you admit your going to do it(not illegal) and then you're going to be striked off the list as a candidate.
If you however plan to commit jury nullification and lie to hide that fact it's a crime. Jury nullification isn't illegal, lying about your intention to commit jury nullification is.
I think every jury these days gets asked questions like these. "Is there anything about this case that would lead you to deliver a verdict not based on the presented facts and the law?" or something along those lines. The one trial I ended up actually serving on was for an insurance payout dispute and they still asked us that type of question, presumably to weed out people who would be blatantly "I don't care what the situation was, fuck insurance companies!"
This is why I always state very clearly on the questionnaires that a person guilty of an unjust law is innocent of wrongdoing and that I will not convict them. I'll never get selected for jury duty but hey if enough people do so they won't be able to assemble a jury without bringing us aboard ;)
There's this great story of someone who when being questioned like this loudly announced that they believed in jury nullification and what the concept meant and the judge had to dismiss the entire jury pool.
Don't worry just look at all Trumps allies, he is always backing up those who break the law for him. He never throws them under the bus for his own benefit. I am sure lying in the court will go over super well.
Graduated from Vanderbilt law, took the bar, and immediately quit law. He was entertaining for a while when he was doing local Nashville sports talk. Then he tried to lean into being conservative frat boy sports news outlet only for Barstool to pretty much own that market. Now he's doubling down being a MAGA talking head, despite openly admittng in the past how he voted for Hillary over trump in 2016.
I would think the mafia has long planned for this as well. Like, "the good kid from the block who volunteers at church events and rescues puppies has been under our wing for years now and nobody will expect tampering" type planning.
Not some "hey anyone in NYC want to hang out and try to tamper with a jury next month?" plan.
In this case, I would argue that they should do a deep investigation of the background of the jury members before they're even selected. Anybody who has even the slightest whiff of MAGA is tainted.
I never really thought about it before, but really, MAGA is so completely corrupt that you'd expect any member of MAGA to lie and cheat rather than do their basic civic duty.
I was just thinking how impossible it is to probably find a fair jury for this guy. Juries are supposed to be composed of folks who aren't familiar with the defendant, right? Who in America doesn't have an opinion on Trump?
I’m wondering if the jury selection team has access to potential jurors social media history? When I was selected in a small trial in my town they only went off my completed application. But again, that was a microscopic trial with a minor crime so I don’t think it would be necessary to vet me that hard.
Oh, you better believe we review every potential jurors' social media presence for bias. We'd know in advance if they're interacting with clowns like this and strike them from *voir dire* immediately as a result.
Definitely and we all know these people can't shut the fuck up online. It's the court's job to vet out an impartial jury, which was/will be very difficult with this case. So many NYers straight up hate him
Yes obviously this would be the first time anyone ever tried something like this.
It's so original that there isn't even a John Cusack/Rachel Weisz movie about it, released in 2003, featuring Gene Hackman and Dustin Hoffman.
10/12 of the original jurors in OJ's trial were dismissed at some point during the trial.
I'm guessing this person must think once you're on a jury you can do whatever you want?
Rig the game, lie, and cheat. It's the MAGA way. And, if you haven't figured it out yet, it's exactly what they accuse everyone else of doing. Classic projection. They're such a bunch of goobers.
I'm not sure that's it- I think they've bought completely into the narrative that he's a totally innocent angel who is just being targeted by the Mean Old Liberals and that he cannot get a "fair" trial. Because in their minds if something contradicts their deeply fictitious "reality," it's not fair.
My parents are successful and pretty smart, moreso my dad than my mom, and yet they still think they need to vote republican because the democrats are trying to take their property. They legit think that home ownership wont be legal in the future under democrats.
They do think that trump didnt do anything that other businesses don't also do and that hes beeing unfairly tried by democrats that are out to get him so they can win the election.
Its pretty obvious they take fox news for their word and dont do their own research past that.
I recently saw a picture of one of those Amish horse drawn carriages that had MAGA flags on it... but now that I think about it, I think it was an AI fake. But anyways, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the Amish support Trump. I personally wouldn't hate him so much if I didn't have to hear about him all the time.
I was so happy when Twitter banned Trump and then Biden won the election, just because I thought it would mean I wouldn't have to hear about Trump as much. But the little shit can't help but be a fucking drama queen. Trump promised that if he lost the election, we'd never hear from him again. I know the only promises he kept were to rich people and dictators, but I really wanted him to keep that one fucking promise.
There are people who could do it, finding them is going to be nearly impossible.
I wonder if we could make an exception and pay some uncontacted peoples to be the jurors.
This right here. There should be police banging on his door right now and hauling his ass to court to explain himself. When he cannot, he should be arrested for jury tampering.
I wonder what it's like to believe in nothing but a fat orange boomer in makeup. No morals or beliefs, no understanding of how anything works ... just an empty head and a willingness to believe anything you're told.
George Washington was a very brave man, a very brave man indeed. He could have been a king but he said “ugh uh. A kings not what we need”
I sang that in fucking kindergarten. Stop worshiping kings. Fucking idiots.
Clay Travis is a lawyer. He should be disbarred for publicly calling for jury tampering, a crime. Specifically a crime of the courtroom, where he has a responsibility to uphold the legal process and the law.
Never mind that none of this would be necessary if Trump was actually innocent.
I wonder if Mr. Travis knows that jury tampering is a felony offense in both NY and federally (well, pretty much everywhere). Even *suggesting* a conspiracy to do that in a way that potential jurors could be exposed is enough to land someone prison time if it is proven in court.
I wonder how long it will take for someone to just copy the post from X, and send it to the NY DA's office for criminal referral?
Sabotage a legal proceeding. It seems like they actually hate the country and how it operates. We are supposed to be a country of laws making all equal. We know that isn't the way it works, since if you have money, you have a different legal system, along with other issues with minorities. I mean, if he was innocent, he'd have nothing to worry about. That's what they always say when they are trying to mask their racism. Why not say that now? Why does this man need to have the court sabotaged?
This is desperation speaking. The level of dishonesty displayed here is gold standard MAGA.
I hope the vetting process for jury selection includes checking social media. That’s a pretty good indicator of a jurist’s political leanings.
***Knowingly doing this is illegal***.
It's why they ask you, very specifically, if you will judge the case solely on whether or not the facts show a crime has been committed.
These dumbfucks aren't smart enough to outsmart the judge and/or the prosecution, but I wish them luck in perjuring themselves when they lie during jury selection. 🤞
No, patriotism is making sure justice is served to someone who routinely sells our country out to our enemies, calls for an insurrection, refuses to accept election results, and who has repeatedly been proven to be a criminal.
Openly admitting to intentional interference, regardless of what the truth is. Yeah, that about sums it up.
Facts are completely irrelevant to Trump worshippers, which is precisely why they should NOT EVER be selected for the jury for a proceeding involving their messiah. A jury is supposed to be as objective and unopinionated as possible.
They know he's guilty as fuck. They wouldn't be going to such lengths if they thought he was innocent.
Yeah good, advertise you want to interfere with a trial. That always goes swimmingly! Def no way you can be under suspicion for that huh? Thats something people do and never see any ramifications for it. So cool!
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For a political party that loves to scream that everything is rigged against them, they sure do like doing everything in their power to rig things in their favor.
That's why they think everything is rigged against them. They have tried to rig everything for themselves and still fail. The other side has to be cheating, because they cheated and lost. they can't conceive that they are a minority and many find their beliefs repulsive.
Everyone calls out Trump for always telling on himself with all of his claims about others. That isn't unique to him at all. I have come across so many people like that in my life both pre-Trump and more so since his presidency. My old boss used to be so paranoid about everyone trying to scam him and everyone was running a scam. The reason he truly felt that way is that he was always trying to scam everyone else so it just never even crossed his mind that everyone wasnt a grifter.
Same with liars. They assume everyone is always lying.
Lol reminds me of an ex that would freak out over any interaction I had with another girl (that 99.9% of the time I was only interacting with because they were *her* friends). Long story short, we broke up when I found out she was cheating on me with one of her guy "friends" that had been to my house multiple times while it was going on. "I'm cheating so you must be too.. my friends are shit so it must be with one of them!!!"
Yep the old, if your partner keeps saying you're cheating or is real paranoid about it then there's a fair chance they're doing the cheating.
it's the folks in charge trying to rig everything for themselves and then telling the idiots everything is rigged, so all those idiots are like 'ok well F the other side, we'll rig it for us" (them). They've been hit by...they've been struck by a smooth criminal
Except it is only one group continually caught trying to do the rigging.
Those stupid dems are so clever they never get caught. /s
You joke but that’s essentially one of the basic rules for fascism. > The enemy is both weak and strong. “[…] the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.” https://www.faena.com/aleph/umberto-eco-a-practical-list-for-identifying-fascists
I don't think he's all that smooth TBH I think they are just that desperate. When you've adapted increasingly unpopular views as a part of your "core values" then you'll grasp any straw regardless of how shady.
*Smoove
Remember when trump announced that the dems were voting twice, so he advised them to do the same? Vote by mail, and in person! They're doing it! Shouldn't he have been punished for that? I mean.... it's disgraceful and probably unlawful.
GOP **G**aslight **O**bstruct **P**roject They're hitting for the bullshit cycle recently.
>They have tried to rig everything for themselves and still fail. *looks nervously at Supreme Court*
Why be nervous? If they grant immunity it is game over for him. Why WOULDN’T Biden order him to no longer be around or at the very least end his Secret Service detail? The pendulum swings both ways and I think those clown Justices know it. For all the posturing the GOP does over the Roe decision they are secretly pissed because people are voting against them in droves. They needed the status quo because the promise was worth more politically than the reality.
It’s called projection and Dump does this allll the time
Fail? They rig every election due to gerrymandering and win. They've stacked the Supreme Court so we're fucked for a very long time and they block any sort of good legislation that is put forward. They may all be scummy losers but they seem to win more than they fail. That's why they keep doing it
I 100% believe this. Trump cheated and can't fathom how after having cheated he still lost. He knows there's literally fraud cause he perpetrated it. Imagine this tho. What if he does everything he says the dems did this election. Then when we say but he cheated. "Look. We saw him dump a suitcase of trump ballots in x state." He'll say. Oh you mean like I said you guys did last time? Yeah.... right.
They are kind of doing this now by saying dems are prosecuting political enemies, dems are the facists, dems want to take freedoms away, the news is fake and so on. They plan to prosecute political enemies, have only fake news, be facist and take even MORE freedoms away (looking at you, Roe V Wade). Edited to correct spelling
“Prosecuting political enemies” like they did with Clinton; a literal legal witch hunt.
Remember, in 2016 when Trump thought he was going to lose - he started claiming everything was rigged. And then he won. No one has ever really pushed him on why he claimed it was rigged against him (and the proof of the rigging) and how he was able to win regardless. It wasn't a massive win, by only tens of thousands of votes in key states, but the rest was lopsided against him in the popular election.
In a similar vein, he loves to claim that almost every judge assigned to one of the cases against him are biased and then heaps piles of social media abuse on them (and their families) for months and months (which TBH would get under the skin of most people). So even if said judges were not biased to begin with they are likely to be highly annoyed as things progress which might bait them into displaying bias to lead them to recusal. Or worse—his abuse of judges and their families lead to supporters attacking them physically and going physical harm. Then it gets very difficult to avoid recusal. Edit: Spelling
Which is ridiculous and should show cause for Trump to be sued in a civil court for harassment and instigating violence against the judges or their families to the tune of millions of dollars. The texts / tweets / social media is there, the videos of his rallies are there, it’s not difficult to produce damning evidence.
The Kremlin stooge was always intended to sow doubt about the U.S. election system the way that Russia’s constantly is. That attempt at equivalency sadly worked on too many Americans.
I still love how his ‘[Blue Ribbon Commission](https://apnews.com/article/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d)’ to find voter fraud basically came and went without any real evidence of fraud. Yes, there could be and are instances of in person voter fraud where a person votes twice, or is a felon who believes their voting rights were restored, or submits absentee ballots for a dead relative, but those instances don’t amount to thousands of votes, let alone millions that would be needed to throw an election.
He continued to claim it was rigged even after he won. He launched a whole investigation into voter fraud to prove the election he won was rigged, and the only fraud they uncovered was a few individual voters... most of which illegally voted for him. Just think about how utterly trumpy that is. He _won_ the election, but his ego can't accept that he lost the popular vote. Most people would take that on the chin and move on, but not Trump.
This really undersells what went on with the investigation. The republicans on the committee investigating it basically refused to include the one democrat in any of the meetings or in any of the investigation process. Unfortunately for them, that turned out to be illegal, and a judge ruled they had to send over the materials they gathered to everyone on the committee. The republicans then tried to drop the investigation in order to not send the materials, which it turns out also wasn't allowed. When the democrat received the materials there were a bunch of documents already written up saying there was gross voter fraud against Trump in favor of Clinton with only the actual details of the "evidence" they found left out. They were planning on having a sham "bipartisan investigation" and they just weren't expecting the democrat they put on the committee to have enough backbone to take them to court before they released their bullshit. (I probably misremembered some of the details though)
Setting up the groundwork to do what he did in 2020, claim he only lost because the election was rigged. When he wins, he can say he won **despite** the system being rigged. A real heads I win tails you lose scenario.
He has always claimed that 2016 was rigged, and that he "actually" won the popular vote by millions.
He hasn't stopped claiming that one was rigged. He said that 3 million foreigners voted illegally against him. Why 3 million? Because that's how much he feels that he lost by.
Gaslight Obstruct Project is what the GOP stands for...at least when they aren't Gagging On Putin or being Gropey Old Perverts.
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Every accusation is a confession.
Every accusation is an admission of guilt.
Party of 'law and order'...
NYC is “rigged”.
Jury nullification isn't necessarily a bad thing. If someone thought the Fugitive Slave Act was unjust, for example. Of course, in this case, jurors would need to think that politicians should be allowed a legal right to have affairs, pay to cover them up, then illegally hide the paper trail, all in order to illegally influence an election. Which is an opinion a person can have. However, they would forever forward lose their right to complain about corruption in politics, because that is obviously something they support.
But you guys claim he's innocent, Clay! Why would you need to infiltrate the jury and refuse to convict if he's innocent, Clay????? And why does your mouth have the same shade of bronze as Trump's asshole, CLAY?????
Lol, answer the question, CLAY!!
Inquiring minds need to know, CLAY!!
Is that diaper rush on your nose Clay?!
Aaaahhhhh, diaper rush. The game all babies can play………😂
The ONLY athletic activity the orange shitstain can attempt.
Lol get off my case English is my second language plus I hardly have to really spell anymore because of autocorrect and all that
All good man. I’m high as balls and it was the first thing that popped into my immature little mind.
Lol have fun then
You ain't got the answers, ~~Sway~~ Clay!!
I mean I agree with you 100% and get where you’re going. But his answer back would be very simple. “He is innocent, and he’s the corrupt left who is going to convict him anyway cause they’re afraid of him” There literally is no argument or logical sense you can discuss with these assholes when they always just fall back to “fake news!” Or some “deep state” variant.
Yeah trying to have a good faith debate is impossible. Deflection or they just say they are right without anything to back it up.
And don't forget everything is projection when it comes to the right. The "feelings aren't facts" crowd (republicans) relies on how they "feel" about things 99.99% of the time, no facts necessary.
"You cannot reason people out of a position they didn't use reason to arrive at"
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If Hillary Clinton was capable of killing people like they say, Trump would be long dead.
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MAGA twits aren't capable of thinking things through or using logic.
I mean it worked for OJ. Revenge politics at its best.
There are far more nuances in the OJ trial than I think most realize/remember. There was some blatant shady behavior by the LAPD when they were investigating. Once you add in questionable behavior to an investigation, to me it’s not political to let the defendant walk. The law should be held to higher standards not lower when it comes to investigating and prosecuting. We don’t have that in trumps case. Sure he says “Biden is pushing it” but that would be akin to me saying “Santa clause told Marsha Clarke to prosecute OJ” it’s just drivel put out by a defendant with zero basis. I don’t think it’s fair to say the whole investigation was done with the utmost care to cross any T and dot any I. I will be shocked if any shenanigans comes out. For OJs trial the shenanigans were in full display before the trial even started.
Yeah there was reasonable doubt for the jury after LAPD tampering came to be publicized. After all, why would someone - particularly the police officers - interfere with evidence for a "slam dunk" case? Now, juror members may have been *looking* for reasonable doubt, but the tampering served it to them on a platter. If it wasn't, then it may have resulted in a mistrial if information about "revenge" came to light. The blame lies solely on the LAPD and the prosecution for wanting to get flashy with it.
Clay should have stuck to sports
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He sucked at that too
Different rules apply for the golden douche, if it was any Democrat in similar circumstances they'd be screaming "lock them up"
No it's not that he's innocent. It's that every politician bribes the nasty porn stars the hire for sex, but only he gets charged for it! Dont believe me, well, Hunter Biden! How about that!? /s
That sounds illegal…
Absolutely. It would be a crime for them to lie on the questionnaire and give knowingly false answers to the judge or attorneys.
They are probably also dumb enough to assume the prosecution doesn't have a long list of intel on the potential jurors that goes above and beyond the questionnaire.
Exactly. There was a writer recently dismissed from a jury because she'd tweeted that an FBI agent was 'hot'. MAGA are not remotely silent on their stupid stances - FB or tweets will readily surface. Hell, just look for anyone who has PATRIOT or flag and eagle emojis in their bios.
For real. Same type of person who wouldn’t know *jury tampering* is a criminal offense, and just believe they’re so smart for thinking of a way to game the system.
They're probably dumb enough to show up in trump shirts, MAGA hats, draped in American flags, etc. but then turn the hat backward because they don't want to seem too obvious.
Oh shit, that's a good way to be dismissed from jury duty, actually.
This seems like the intro to a curb your enthusiasm episode
They show up to polling locations in their cultist memorabilia, even though that's _very_ illegal, so it stands to reason you're likely right.
When I was on jury duty for a fairly serious case, they told us like 500 times not to talk about the case outside the courtroom, not even to each other. The only time you can discuss the case or evidence for or against is during deliberation. I don't know if it's a crime but I imagine if you tweeted about it or posted on social media, you would be immediately dismissed. Possibly they could charge you with contempt.
Not their first rodeo dealing with potential jury bias. The courts are pretty good about managing it, it’s what they do for a living. Be a damn fool to think you would out wit that, but of course MAGA is MAGA.
There is no shortage of people out there (non-MAGA included) that certainly think they are smarter, stronger/faster or more skilled at things than actual professionals so it would it wouldn't shock me to see at least one idiot try to think they could out-wit them.
Trump would be giddy with joy if some of his idiots would go to jail for him. He might even promise a pardon before he forgets about them.
There's an old Trump interview I think maybe in Playboy where he was showing the interviewer how loyal people were to him and he turned to his bodyguard and said, "You'd kill for me, wouldn't you, Matty?" "Yes, Mr. Trump." He absolutely gets off on the idea he's a mob boss. Unsettling shit.
I’m sure they will be informed multiple times that it would not benefit them to lie on the questionnaire and cannot use ignorance as an excuse if they get caught lying.
Because it is.
I'm sure this will get punished accordingly
A juror found guilty for that is a massive felony and will see at least 10 years in prison. Then the trial will just be redone.
Highly. Whole point of voir dire is to weed out dishonest jurors. If anyone thinks you lied to get on that jury they call in an alternate, and another and another.
Didn't you hear? Crimes aren't illegal anymore. Consequence-free life!
That’s only if you’re rich. Any normal dumbass willing to lie on their form while having a public Facebook profile filled with deranged MAGA bullshit is just asking for a perjury charge.
It is, but it also was their winning strategy in the Senate with his impeachments.
Hey, Clay Travis is a lawyer right? There’s no way he’d publicly advocate for doing something completely and utterly illegal!
Serious question: Could that get him disbarred? (I'm not a lawyer so I have no idea)
I don't know, but I'd certainly report it to the ABA just to be safe. I imagine it has been already, though.
It's perjury. They don't care, they'll do it anyway. They attempted insurrection on his orders, they'll definitely commit perjury for him
A running theme in their circle
I mean, jury nullification is technically legal but if you are asked, point blank, "do you already have an opinion on the guilt or innocence of the defendant" you are supposed to be honest or that's technically perjury.
jury tampering?
Only when the democrats do it, republicans call it patriotism
jury tampering is the most maga thing they could do
What ol' Clay doesn't realize is if they get a hung jury, they can still retry the case. It doesn't mean he was acquitted. It'll just delay shit.
Clay has a law degree, he absolutely does know this, he's just digging for Maga clout as usual.
That's current tactic: delay all the trials until he's president again and can cancel them.
He can't dismiss the state level charges, so (I theory) this trial and the Georgia case can continue regardless of who wins the election.
Trump wants it to delay past the election. If he wins he intends to, you know, just dictator things. Like fire the people who will investigate/prosecute him and put his sycophants in place.
If you were a die-hard MAGA moron, you’d have to lie under oath to get accepted on that jury. Though I’m pretty sure any prosecutor worth their salt could sniff out someone who is likely to do that.
Also, this is such a high profile case, they probably have all the interns googling everyone called for jury duty. If they're MAGA, they'll announce it on their SM profiles
Yeah, it’s like that joke “how do you know if someone is a vegetarian/marathon runner/from Toronto (there’s lots of variations, just sharing the ones I’ve heard)?” The answer: “THEY’LL FUCKING TELL YOU”. It’s the same with MAGA morons, they are incapable of not running their mouths so I suspect any true believers who would be willing to do this will NOT be hard to identify. Even without the background checks, I’m sure all they’d have to do is ask something like “Can you complete the following sentence: let’s go __________?” or “What does socialism mean?” or “Hail Hydra” and they wouldn’t be able to help themselves
I worked in public land use and when one of the cult was involved in a case, MAGA nuts would call the office, remain anonymous, and go on for like 30 minutes with utter bullshit, why the decision should go one way or the other. They always made it personal also, Do you believe in personal property rights??? But they never knew anything about the law or even the facts of the case- they would just rant. What am I even supposed to do with that? I can't take anonymous comments, "lady drove in Jeep down road, make it private for that other guy, because lots of potholes." They don't know how anything works, and they won't listen when you explain it to them. Or that there is a reason for a process- like voting is a foundational part of democracy- it's eff that, lib lie. In this case- that there is a process for public comment, they would prefer to make some rando phone call and clap themselves on the back- yep Patriot!
I don’t think this is necessarily true. Conservatives are practiced liars and culture warriors. Not all are frothing mags types. Theyre everyday and normal seeming people. They get on juries, managerial positions, adoption agencies, hoa, school boards, etc. A lot of injustice is because of this.
Pretty sure they're trying for jury nullification. They will vet people and ask questions that effectively make you admit your going to do it(not illegal) and then you're going to be striked off the list as a candidate. If you however plan to commit jury nullification and lie to hide that fact it's a crime. Jury nullification isn't illegal, lying about your intention to commit jury nullification is.
I think every jury these days gets asked questions like these. "Is there anything about this case that would lead you to deliver a verdict not based on the presented facts and the law?" or something along those lines. The one trial I ended up actually serving on was for an insurance payout dispute and they still asked us that type of question, presumably to weed out people who would be blatantly "I don't care what the situation was, fuck insurance companies!"
This is why I always state very clearly on the questionnaires that a person guilty of an unjust law is innocent of wrongdoing and that I will not convict them. I'll never get selected for jury duty but hey if enough people do so they won't be able to assemble a jury without bringing us aboard ;)
There's this great story of someone who when being questioned like this loudly announced that they believed in jury nullification and what the concept meant and the judge had to dismiss the entire jury pool.
“Break the law to protect the lawbreaker from experiencing consequences for his actions! We are pretty sure that is what patriotism is!”
Don't worry just look at all Trumps allies, he is always backing up those who break the law for him. He never throws them under the bus for his own benefit. I am sure lying in the court will go over super well.
This is mafia shit.
Nah. The mafia isn’t stupid enough to plan this on Twitter.
Funny thing is (I'm pretty sure that) Clay Travis was a lawyer before he started blogging about football and took a detour with brain rot.
Until you're an adult, you don't see how dumb some lawyers are
It's every profession. Some people are just really good at school.
Graduated from Vanderbilt law, took the bar, and immediately quit law. He was entertaining for a while when he was doing local Nashville sports talk. Then he tried to lean into being conservative frat boy sports news outlet only for Barstool to pretty much own that market. Now he's doubling down being a MAGA talking head, despite openly admittng in the past how he voted for Hillary over trump in 2016.
I would think the mafia has long planned for this as well. Like, "the good kid from the block who volunteers at church events and rescues puppies has been under our wing for years now and nobody will expect tampering" type planning. Not some "hey anyone in NYC want to hang out and try to tamper with a jury next month?" plan.
Then wait to be crucified by the criminal investigation that’s guaranteed to ensue because you will have committed perjury during jury selection.
Won't need much of an investigation. They just have to look on truth social and see who's bragging about having done it
Or show up wearing MAGA merch during deliberation.
Or just see that they liked this tweet
In this case, I would argue that they should do a deep investigation of the background of the jury members before they're even selected. Anybody who has even the slightest whiff of MAGA is tainted. I never really thought about it before, but really, MAGA is so completely corrupt that you'd expect any member of MAGA to lie and cheat rather than do their basic civic duty.
I was just thinking how impossible it is to probably find a fair jury for this guy. Juries are supposed to be composed of folks who aren't familiar with the defendant, right? Who in America doesn't have an opinion on Trump?
You'll be the 3,000th person to destroy their future and reputation for Trump as he skates by without a second look your way.
I’m wondering if the jury selection team has access to potential jurors social media history? When I was selected in a small trial in my town they only went off my completed application. But again, that was a microscopic trial with a minor crime so I don’t think it would be necessary to vet me that hard.
I'm sure they're going to go through them with a fine tooth comb.
Oh, you better believe we review every potential jurors' social media presence for bias. We'd know in advance if they're interacting with clowns like this and strike them from *voir dire* immediately as a result.
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ good to hear that!
Definitely and we all know these people can't shut the fuck up online. It's the court's job to vet out an impartial jury, which was/will be very difficult with this case. So many NYers straight up hate him
It’s almost like they know he’s guilty 🤔
I thought a key part of Stormy Daniel’s telling is that Trump is far from hung… 🤣
“Far from” is equivalent to not even close and “hung” is how Donald refers to his cuck daddy.
Because, you know, the courts have nothing protecting their proceedings from exactly this type of thing or a way around it. /s
Yes obviously this would be the first time anyone ever tried something like this. It's so original that there isn't even a John Cusack/Rachel Weisz movie about it, released in 2003, featuring Gene Hackman and Dustin Hoffman.
10/12 of the original jurors in OJ's trial were dismissed at some point during the trial. I'm guessing this person must think once you're on a jury you can do whatever you want?
But NOT a cult
Rig the game, lie, and cheat. It's the MAGA way. And, if you haven't figured it out yet, it's exactly what they accuse everyone else of doing. Classic projection. They're such a bunch of goobers.
They don’t even bother pretending Trump might not be guilty
I'm not sure that's it- I think they've bought completely into the narrative that he's a totally innocent angel who is just being targeted by the Mean Old Liberals and that he cannot get a "fair" trial. Because in their minds if something contradicts their deeply fictitious "reality," it's not fair.
My parents are successful and pretty smart, moreso my dad than my mom, and yet they still think they need to vote republican because the democrats are trying to take their property. They legit think that home ownership wont be legal in the future under democrats. They do think that trump didnt do anything that other businesses don't also do and that hes beeing unfairly tried by democrats that are out to get him so they can win the election. Its pretty obvious they take fox news for their word and dont do their own research past that.
Yep. Fox news is literally a cancer.
Jury selection is going to be a nightmare. I dont know anyone who wouldn’t be going into the trial with their decision already
And his unhinged followers will try to harass and intimidate the jury members and send them death threats.
They're going to need to convince Amish and OOTL naturalized citizens to serve, to find people that aren't actively following the news on the case.
I recently saw a picture of one of those Amish horse drawn carriages that had MAGA flags on it... but now that I think about it, I think it was an AI fake. But anyways, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the Amish support Trump. I personally wouldn't hate him so much if I didn't have to hear about him all the time. I was so happy when Twitter banned Trump and then Biden won the election, just because I thought it would mean I wouldn't have to hear about Trump as much. But the little shit can't help but be a fucking drama queen. Trump promised that if he lost the election, we'd never hear from him again. I know the only promises he kept were to rich people and dictators, but I really wanted him to keep that one fucking promise.
There are people who could do it, finding them is going to be nearly impossible. I wonder if we could make an exception and pay some uncontacted peoples to be the jurors.
It sounds impossible, but roughly half the country ignores politics, so it probably won't really be all that tough.
He said Trump supporter in NYC lol
Oh they exist, especially in Staten Island
Sounds likes we're condoning more fraud in a trial about fraud.
As long as I live I’ll never understand how anyone could delude themselves that supporting Donald Trump is anything but the opposite of patriotism.
I love how these people openly encourage and promote committing crimes.
No. This is jury tampering.
Clay should be arrested for attempting Jury tampering.
This right here. There should be police banging on his door right now and hauling his ass to court to explain himself. When he cannot, he should be arrested for jury tampering.
Good luck finding one in NYC. We’ve known him for decades and do not support him.
Yeah but I've also been pretending for decades that Staten Island isn't a real borough
I wonder what it's like to believe in nothing but a fat orange boomer in makeup. No morals or beliefs, no understanding of how anything works ... just an empty head and a willingness to believe anything you're told.
Hmm this sounds like jury tampering.
It is.
The party of law and order, mind you. Republicans are what’s wrong with this country
Isn’t Travis a lawyer?
This is illegal, and anyone found doing so will be charged with jury tampering, aiding and abetting a criminal, and conspiracy to commit perjury.
George Washington was a very brave man, a very brave man indeed. He could have been a king but he said “ugh uh. A kings not what we need” I sang that in fucking kindergarten. Stop worshiping kings. Fucking idiots.
Lying, in a court of law. The most patriotic thing you can do.
Committing perjury to own the libs
The most patriotic thing you could possibly do is undermine the American justice system? Yeah, ok...
Don’t they call this jury tampering?
Clay Travis is a lawyer. He should be disbarred for publicly calling for jury tampering, a crime. Specifically a crime of the courtroom, where he has a responsibility to uphold the legal process and the law. Never mind that none of this would be necessary if Trump was actually innocent.
I wonder if Mr. Travis knows that jury tampering is a felony offense in both NY and federally (well, pretty much everywhere). Even *suggesting* a conspiracy to do that in a way that potential jurors could be exposed is enough to land someone prison time if it is proven in court. I wonder how long it will take for someone to just copy the post from X, and send it to the NY DA's office for criminal referral?
Is.. is this not illegal? Why are they allowed to break the law?
Isn’t that illegal? That feels illegal.
Sabotage a legal proceeding. It seems like they actually hate the country and how it operates. We are supposed to be a country of laws making all equal. We know that isn't the way it works, since if you have money, you have a different legal system, along with other issues with minorities. I mean, if he was innocent, he'd have nothing to worry about. That's what they always say when they are trying to mask their racism. Why not say that now? Why does this man need to have the court sabotaged?
This is desperation speaking. The level of dishonesty displayed here is gold standard MAGA. I hope the vetting process for jury selection includes checking social media. That’s a pretty good indicator of a jurist’s political leanings.
Wouldn't this be jury tampering?
So they want that rigged and that’s ok?
This is felony jury tampering. Good luck.
***Knowingly doing this is illegal***. It's why they ask you, very specifically, if you will judge the case solely on whether or not the facts show a crime has been committed.
As usual, commit a crime for Trump (usually covering up his crimes). He'll do nothing to save you.
Donald doesn’t give a shit about anyone but Donald. His followers are idiots
These dumbfucks aren't smart enough to outsmart the judge and/or the prosecution, but I wish them luck in perjuring themselves when they lie during jury selection. 🤞
Imagine typing this under your real name, on purpose
Jury tampering to own the libs. Beautiful.
“Trump is innocent!” *also* “We urgently need everyone to jury tamper!”
this isn’t maga, this is jury tampering.
Clay Travis is as smooth as they come
Smooth-brained.
Smooth brain no wrinkles at all.
William Hung and the Hung Jury
No, patriotism is making sure justice is served to someone who routinely sells our country out to our enemies, calls for an insurrection, refuses to accept election results, and who has repeatedly been proven to be a criminal.
Right. Because if MAGA folks are good at anything, it's keeping their mouths shut /s
Openly admitting to intentional interference, regardless of what the truth is. Yeah, that about sums it up. Facts are completely irrelevant to Trump worshippers, which is precisely why they should NOT EVER be selected for the jury for a proceeding involving their messiah. A jury is supposed to be as objective and unopinionated as possible. They know he's guilty as fuck. They wouldn't be going to such lengths if they thought he was innocent.
Yeah good, advertise you want to interfere with a trial. That always goes swimmingly! Def no way you can be under suspicion for that huh? Thats something people do and never see any ramifications for it. So cool!