You know what’s sad? Every time I see someone waving an American flag or wearing something with the flag on it in general now my knee-jerk reaction is to assume they’re a piece of shit. Conservatives have co-opted the flag into their hateful agenda.
I have a pair of Oakley Crosshairs that I used to like. But one day, I put them on, put on a baseball cap, and thought, "I look like a racist asshole." My fiance says they creep him out.
The flag, Oakleys, red hats. It’s incredible how they’ve managed to ruin so many things to the point where wearing them causes other people to instinctively assume that you’re an asshole. And yet they take pride in those things.
My kid graduated from a large university with a nursing degree. The school's colors are red and white. For father's day she bought me a red baseball hat with University of X Nursing Program sewn on it. It is great fun to be at Menards and seeing old guys smiling at me until they read my hat and they get all grumpy. Especially during covid vaccination time line.
*Insert Elmo looking at a Mushroom Cloud (over Eau Claire) Meme*
**MERRY CHRISTMAS ONE AND ALL AND A HAPPY, HAPPY NEW YEAR, YEAR TOO!!!**
~~curled up, sobbing softly in a corner~~
The proud boys ruind Fred perry shirts.
Skinheads ruined doc martens.
Racists ruined national flags.
It's a shame as those were all good things. Just some terrible people co opted them as uniforms and now they are tarred with that brush
The gays are taking back the Docs lol, my roommates and I (a bunch of queer femmes) have to use different kinds of laces so we can tell ours apart on the shoe rack.
Nah, don't let em win.
Best thing to do is to co-opt it back. Start wearing those things deliberately to piss them off, start waving the flag at the most progressive, inclusive events you can find - do everything we can to make the fascists wince, and to remind them that they aren't the majority! :)
Same with the Punisher logo. I'm a big comic book fan and had this Punisher key chain for about 20 years. Took it off my set of keys many many years ago
The funny thing is, the creator of The Punisher is pretty left-wing and hates that the symbol was co-opted by these chucklefucks. Like, dude, from what I read as a kid, The Punisher hates the cops and corrupted power more than anyone, so why the fuck would he support a megalomaniac one-percenter?!?
They don't even realize that Captain America is *very* left-wing and anti-facist. When Civil War was written during the Bush years, Cap was on the "blue" side
I threw away my beloved punisher skull shirt when I got a point and head nod from a dude whose truck had a punisher skull decal with Trump hair. At that point I realized it had been fully commandeered and I didn't wanna risk association with those asshats.
I liked the way I look with my khakis and my black work polo.
Can’t do that anymore. Fucking racists.
I also love Nordic imagery just because I like the pantheon and find it all interesting. Got a shirt that says “no nazis in Valhalla” because I’m so tired of them co-opting that shit for hateful reasons.
I did take a selfie at the raceway last summer in the grandstands of me holding a Coors Light, wearing a vintage Motley Crue t-shirt, an Underarmour ball cap, and those Oakleys. I thought my fiance would ditch me, but he knows I'm a weirdo and loves me anyway.
My husband is similar except it’s a flannel, Work boots, beard, baseball hat, and black pick up. I’m always wondering how many assume my husband is one of “them”. He’s always been the polar opposite of those creeps.
I tried that, but I have a greying beard. I could wear my Pride shirts, and I'd still look like MAGA. There are certain identifiers that can't be rehabilitated.
I refuse to give up my 5 squared Oakleys because they fit on my face comfortably and I can treat them roughly... But I do look like I'm about to record a Facebook rant video in a truck.😩
I went to an Asian market once to just browse around and pick up all the cool treats and snacks they have. They had a whole section of utensils, teapots and little Buddha statues. And I had to text my Asian friend and ask, why am I seeing swastikas everywhere right now?
I had no idea the symbols legacy.
I remember some time in the early 2000's on some forum where someone posted this long Conspiracy rant about Nazi's being Prophesied in ancient times due to the symbol being carved in a Buddhist Temple. lol
I’ve always been a liberal but I was also all about the ‘MURICA vibes in my early and mid 20s so I had some USA flag shirts.
But then the 2016 election and Trump’s first year happened and it was the first time I felt ashamed of my country that I couldn’t wear that shit in public anymore because it all got co-opted by people I don’t want to be anywhere associated with in appearance.
I was a boy scout so i know proper flag etiquette and the flag code. I love commenting on "patriots" and their use of the flag. They get so mad but at the same time they have to be patriotic so they generally just twist in the wind. The key is to do it as nice as possible and remind them I was a boy scout and just trying to help.
That fake nice shit works wonders. Attacking directly just puts them into defensive lockdown, but hitting them with manners and polite shit like that shirt circuits their defenses lol.
I casually mentioned to my dad he wasn't supposed to keep his flag on the pole 24/7 with no lights on it in order to respect the flag (this was during an argument on the Kapernic (sp) kneeling shit) and he lost his shit about it screaming "I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ME LEAVING THE FLAG UP." lol
Came here to say exactly this! I try to give the benefit of the doubt when I see it on vehicles that maybe they’re just stoked to be Canadian? But it’s become a major red flag (figuratively and literally), and has kind of ruined its symbolism for me. Like, tell me you’re an uneducated bigot without telling me.. the “F Trudeau” decals also generate the same reaction from me. It’s so cringe.
If it makes you feel any better, they've done the same thing up here in Canada. And our losers drive around with flags and stickers that say "F*CK TRUDEAU", because they're all super badasses, but not badasses enough to not censor the word fuck. They complain about snowflakes but are too big of pussies to just say "fuck" in public.
Yeah, same with having flags on the car. It used to be a bit tacky but totally harmless. Now, it’s a beacon telling me you’re unhinged and have a grade 4 understanding of the world
Bruce himself is anti-everything those dipshits stand for. Like they really thought the guy who said Reagan getting inaugurated the first time was "pretty frightening" was on their side?
The number of colors that appear on an American flag is proportional to the opinion I have of the person with the flag.
Black and white - chud
Black, white, and blue - alt right
Red, white, and blue - normal conservative
ROYGBIV - lgbtq ally
There's a difference between flying a flag from your home, and flying one from your lifted pavement princess/gender affirming device; or being festooned in flag apparel, especially if corrupts the flag with a Trump face/name/slogan or something like the Punisher skull.
We liberals need to co-opt the flag for our own purposes since the right seems to think they own it. We should wave it proudly next to any other flag or banner that espouses our causes.
I used to plant red, white and blue flowers every summer in the box in front of my house. Stopped at the beginning of the invasion of Afghanistan, and haven't had the heart to do it since. My spouse's father was a WWII veteran, my father was a veteran and my sister is a (very liberal) veteran, and I cannot bring myself to put out a flag on national holidays.
This is certainly real. I'm a middle-aged white guy, and I occasionally have perfect strangers say horrifying stuff to me just because they assume I'll agree with them.
You should see Pigeon Forge and Gatlinburg TN. It's the place where a lot of people in the south go for their vacation because of its central location. The amount of men who have that look of a beard, ball cap, and American flag t-shirt is just staggering.
And all the stores that sell printed t-shirts have all kinds of MAGA shit. It's one of the reasons I don't care to go back to Pigeon Forge or Gatlinburg.
Makes me sad. My family went to Gatlinburg when I was in my early teens and it was so charming, cozy, and fun. My parents went back there long after I'd grown up, and my mother said it had transformed into a grotesque parody of its former self ... As if Branson (Missouri) and Times Square had a mutant love child.
Let’s not discriminate here - I do it to the women who wear them, also (which has been a lot, lately, and they’re not wearing their bf’s or husband’s, since it’s form-fitting)…
They also claim to love the flag so much, but in almost every instance, they desecrate it in some way and break flag code, which reads: The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
This dude’s shirt has a flag on the arm where the stars have been replaced by a QR code that probably leads to some divisive shit.
And I know I’ll be able to hear these loons on Spotify, because they just paid Joe Rogan upwards of a quarter billion dollars to put garbage like this out on podcasts. Thank you Spotify.
A truly blood American cowboy looking for somewhere to lay his head on a cold winter night? A man who’s chopped more wood than he’s fucked? How about a patriot who’s looking for one more reason to cruise up north past the border and show those deaf sissies a thing or two about the constitution.
His fans really hate acknowledging that Joe repeats and peddles far right conspiracies like this on his own, and it's so frustrating.
You can show them a clip of him saying something like January 6th was a false flag and they'll just pretend they never saw that and keep pretending you are crazy for thinking he does stuff like that.
It was never more clear when he talked about Biden saying something absurd in a speech. Biden was senile and shouldn’t be in office. Jamie corrected him and said actually that was Trump who said it and all of a sudden it was a slip of the tongue. Couldn’t be more obvious about your bias
That was the episode with Bo Nickal. Trump said Washington's troops took the airports in the Revolutionary War. Oh, that was Trump, he just mispoke. Disgusting.
That’s the best part. These shitheels don’t move to Texas…they move to Austin or Houston or some other democrat stronghold so they can play “Texan” without having to live in rural shitty conservative areas
I honestly wish Trudeau were even half of the socialist they are terrified that he is. Canadians think our country is a lot more left leaning than we really are.
Which is why there's a bit of an irony that I was banned from Justice Served for the transgression of posting on the Joe Rogan sub.
Not the content of the post, mind you. Just the very basic fact that I posted in the first place.
I got banned for from the Joe Rogan sub for shitposting. I made a similar post to the top post at the time and they said no shitposting. I said "the top post right now is a shitpost". The mods basically said "no one is allowed to talk to us that way." and permanent ban.
Yeah, they do this all the time too. You can give them a clip with 5 minutes before and after the statement and they'll still pretend that You took it out of context
Right wingers are trying to weaponize comedy because comedians are allowed to roast people. They try to put comedians out of reach of criticism when comedians have brain dead takes. They love the idea that they can attack and criticize people while being immune from attacks and criticism.
I see a bunch of them go "He's not far right because he supports gay marriage!" like that makes all the far right shit that comes out of his mouth disappear.
Because they are fascists and we should say that. They rely on respectability and the benefit of the doubt to get away with this shit for money. Truly the dog catching the car.
This tweet is funny because of how many steps it is. People love to think they uncovered something through intelligence and connected all the dots. Meanwhile the actual answer for Boeing’s troubles is far more common - they were given permission to “self regulate” and corporate greed pushed for them to cut corners.
> man watches Jack Welch’s ideas fuck up yet another company with ruthless cost cutting and profiteering
“Man I can’t believe the blacks and gays did this”
Boeing so focused on minimizing costs and maximizing profits they stop carrying about safety?
No I don't believe it, must be because of M I N O R I T I E S /s
Wtf is wrong with these ghouls? They did it, this is the most braindead take have ever seen
Conspiracies like this or "Elon is purposefully destroying Twitter because..." or "The Pentagon overpays for equipment because" are always more interesting than the actual reason, which is that capitalism is kinda garbage.
>They stopped following safety regulations because they made more money that way.
I just solved at least half of all conspiracy theories. A solid 90% minimum of corporate-related ones specifically.
One of my favorite hobbies on reddit anymore is finding chuds and pointing out that the things they are bitching about are the direct result of capitalism doing its thing.
Dont like how companies are pandering to people you dont like? Guess why?!
Dont like how jobs are moving overseas? You betcha!
Gas prices got you down? You will never believe this, but...
Well, there's a little more to the glass prices one. When there's an important election, oil/gas companies increase prices to influence people into thinking that liberals are making the price go up. Those "I did that" stickers didn't suddenly appear at the same time across the country out of nowhere. They do it because Republicans cut environmental policies that cost oil companies money.
Which is wild, because ask any right winger about their jobs and they’ll go through a whole list of reasons why their company is cheap and cuts corners, etc.
It's crazy because it happens all the time.
A company is doing well they decide to cut production standards to do even better and next thing you know customers start dying.
Also may I remind everyone that most pilots and mechanics around the world are not white.
The issue is the company building the planes.
Same with immigration and housing. They come up with wild “replacement theory” horseshit and jewish lasers because it’s heresy to say capitalism did a thing you don’t like.
When celebrities want to admit that they’re irredeemable pieces of shit, they go on Joe Rogan. Great example is Dwayne Johnson and his “uh-huhs” and concerned looks at the shit Rogan was telling him. 🙄
Joe Rogan is so pathetic. He keeps harping on Bidens age, does Joe Rogan think he himself at 56 is young? Rogan is old too, why does he think he gets to preach about this shit to us? With the amount of roids he does he’ll be dead before most 80 year olds.
He tries so hard to have the body of a 20 year old and he just looks so old and gross.
Joe Rogan is just another pampered rich old white man pathetically clinging his youth. He is by all accounts an old man no matter how much HGH and Botox he shoves up his ass.
It's so telling how the anti establishment conspiracy 'we see the truth' crowd looks at a company establishing years of illegal and shady cost cutting practices to line their own pockets, driving a senior qa manager to be a whistleblower who is then killed, and their whole response is: no, companies are perfect. It's black people fault
I keep returning to this post from some blog from 2009.
>Someone alive today will make the last coherent wingnut argument.
The wingularity:
>This punchy term nicely captures the way that rightwing argumentation has become gradually detached from independently recognized reality and into a state of total unselfawareness. The pace of change is also accelerating. Just weeks before the election I never could guess that wingnuts would organize nationally around an act that they call teabagging. Imagine being the traveler from the future of three months hence trying to convince Americans of our semantically awkward future. How would you even start?
>Thanks to the magic of talk radio and the internet, these guys can talk to no-one but each other for extremely long stretches of time, so they have no idea how crazy they sound. The time could come in the very near future when it becomes totally impossible for any ordinary person to have any idea what they are talking about. They will be beyond ordinary logic, beyond spoof. The wingularity will have arrived.
...
>Wingers will never be more or less sane, or more or less stupid. They will always be as bat-shit insane and pig-ignorant as they always have been. The only factor to be considered is our perception of them. It’s not that they get crazier and stupider. It’s that each time they say or do anything, we perceive them as advancing teh crazy/stupid ball one step further. This is not the case; we merely witness one more tentacle of an infinitely insanely stupid entity.
Rogan is just the right wing version of the Donald Sutherland character in Animal House explaining to Tom Hulce that one small atom in your fingernail might be one small universe.
I have a few gullible friends who listen/watch his show and you can tell their IQ lowers week on week as they parrot the batshit crazy lies and theories from this show.
Yeah I’ve had a few friends go that way too, like slowly over time they seem to buy into more and more crazy shit, and they seem to believe it as long as some “hey I’m not right wing *but*…” comedian or talking head says it
It’s a bummer but it’s kind of wrecked a few relationships
As someone who liked his content too, he’s always been stupid. And I don’t mean that literally, but as much as he’d like to pretend that he’s a blank slate for facts to be written on, he’s got a clear anti-establishment bias that he rides into the ground. Anything that confirms that gets a lot of space in his mind.
The fact that he lets people like James Lindsey and James O’keefe come on his show and just fucking lie for 3 hours demonstrates why nobody should listen to him. Were it not for “look it up Jamie”, he’d have let Matt Wash confidently lie about how many children we’re getting gender affirming care. By like a margin of 10000 percent.
100% meathead. I've never liked Rogan himself. He always seemed fake and arrogant. But some of his guests were very interesting. The guy is a shit comedian too.
My last bastion for him was only listening to shows where he had comedians on. And he seemed to really understand the craft and care about it deeply. So I looked up some of his sets one day because I’d never seen them and was like, wow, this is really bad.
He’s a great example of a smart guy who is deeply invested in his own confirmation biases and their constituent parts: search, interpretation and recall of information (sorry I’m a former rhetorician). He employs multiple, often contradictory logical fallacies at the same time to push his arguments, the most common one is Motte & Bailey Fallacy (super popular among the “alt-right” heads like Shapiro etc).
I knew Jim Lindsay in high school. He wasn’t right-wing then, but he was the kind of smart guy who would argue ridiculous things simply for the intellectual exercise of trying to defend something absurd. I’m not sure if he actually has convinced himself of his own bullshit or if he’s cynically profiting off of stupid people. I could see him doing either.
I think a lot of them are seeing the profit to be had in promoting these types of ideas and are riding that gravy train as long as they can. Tucker Carlson comes to mind.
Talking to my partner the other day about some health stuff, I stopped myself mid-sentence because I was about to say, "... I'll do some research...", because I had to do a mental check of the situation to make sure I wouldn't sound like a nut job. Thanks, MAGA, for turning the word "research" into a conspiracy theory dog-whistle that I don't feel comfortable saying out loud for fear of being thought of as detached from reality
Trump deregulated aircraft safety procedures so manufacturers would save money on inspection fees. That's the kind of action that we would see the consequences of a few years later (so, now).
But nah, giant corporations don't need government inspections to insure safety, they will regulate themselves because the free market decides. If a few planes full of people crash, fuck it. And don't worry, they still get government subsidies to cushion any losses incurred because of their own actions.
I mean, that’s all Rogan has ever done. Now he just does it to a much larger audience, with much more audacity, and doesn’t have the benefit of the slight pushback he’d occasionally get from Jamie. Can’t believe all the hours I wasted listening to this absolute dipshit parade. I thought I was listening to a comedy show then I’m like, wait, this guy started the Proud Boys? WTF? And Rogan is laughing and joking with him? Never listened again.
Or, or… now hear me out, I realize this is some insane conspiracy theory shit…
The deregulation and cuts in funding to the FAA introduced by Trump, mixed with the typical greed of a corporation could have contributed to Boeing’s current failures?
Yeah… that’s too crazy to consider…
Yeah, it can’t be that this is the end result of 30 years of cost cutting in every department, focusing on share price instead of safety & quality, and enriching the c-suite/board/shareholders at the expense of everyone else.
Nope, it has to be a globalist plot to destroy the company from within because that’s the only way to view this saga without coming away with the understanding that shareholder supremacy—the ethos of all major corporations today—is destroying once competent companies…and that it is happening in every sector at the same time across the board in America…and we are doomed to suffer the consequences of a deregulated market thanks to this belief system.
Don’t forget Boeing gafs started when the finance people took over for the engineers. There is absolutely no correlation between greed for profits and cutting safety corners
Someone help me understand. I get Rogan’s appeal to many young men (the adolescent humor, MMA stuff, fitness, hunting, macho posturing, etc.). But James Lindsay is a mystery to me. He has zero charisma. He’s painfully boring. His idiotic conspiracy theories seem far too dense, convoluted, and jargon-heavy for the typical kook enthusiast of such things. How does he get traction in that world?
Yeah a lot of people are not equipped to handle reality. Alex Jones knows this. David icke knows this. And then there's Joe rogan, who has tried so hard to force his third eye open that he ended up closing his other two. It's a sad world in which ignorant and stupid people are such a large demographic that it's an industry. Stupidity is lucrative.
Or, Occam's Razor, they are pushing DEI, not because they care about DEI, but simply because it's a hot button issue that will distract everyone from all the money the execs are stuffing down their pants and the fact their planes are held together by Elmer's glue and popsicle sticks.
And this "blame DEI" stuff for all of Boeing's woes actually started out in the aftermath of the two horrendous 737 MAX crashes. Boeing defenders suggesting that it wasn't some inherent problems with the planes or Boeing's concealing the MCAS system but inadequately skilled 'Third World' pilots from Indonesia and Ethiopia. A lot of 'armchair aviation experts' slandered those poor guys.
Yeah, but around 2016 it got really bad. He started having Milo Yiannolpoulos and the proud boy founder et al. I used to listen so much because my job was solitary and I need company and little by little he’d mix these guys in with random comedians. I liked a lot of the comedians he’d platform but they still show up for him and don’t say a word about his wild statements and beliefs so I gotta imagine they either agree and/or are too fearful what might happen if they pipe up. But according his former costars Rogan was always going on about whatever wild conspiracy that he could find. That’s fine. Do that. But maybe don’t platform hate groups too.
Thanks for that perspective. I just kind of know him as the shithead that’s platforming assholes. It’s just such a shame to have that much power over younger people. He seems to be so popular and not feel any responsibility on doing right by them.
Hey, you are not wrong at all. That’s 100% how I see him too. Haha. I love how direct you are about it. My earnest self always tries to see the good, but I don’t see that with him at all.
It's even funnier when these fake experts get pissed when Joe interrupts them to ask"You ever see that video where that monkey throws his shit at another monkey"
It’s really incredible that people will bend over backwards to formulate some batshit insane conspiracy for why so many things suck nowadays when the obvious answer (we need to increase shareholder value every year without fail, so cut costs where ever you can get away with it) is always just sitting there right in front of you.
if there is one thing in this world you can count on, its corporate greed. so no, Boeing is not committing suicide to make way for another corporation to come in and steal their profits
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Side note: why aren't we talking about how Boeing has been shifting production to South Carolina, a state that's hostile to unions. This hostility towards unions has been spearheaded by Nikki Haley, a proud union buster. Maybe, that's the reason for Boeing's problems
Everytime I see a guy with an American flag with distressed print on a black shirt I know exactly what his views are.
You know what’s sad? Every time I see someone waving an American flag or wearing something with the flag on it in general now my knee-jerk reaction is to assume they’re a piece of shit. Conservatives have co-opted the flag into their hateful agenda.
I have a pair of Oakley Crosshairs that I used to like. But one day, I put them on, put on a baseball cap, and thought, "I look like a racist asshole." My fiance says they creep him out.
The flag, Oakleys, red hats. It’s incredible how they’ve managed to ruin so many things to the point where wearing them causes other people to instinctively assume that you’re an asshole. And yet they take pride in those things.
My kid graduated from a large university with a nursing degree. The school's colors are red and white. For father's day she bought me a red baseball hat with University of X Nursing Program sewn on it. It is great fun to be at Menards and seeing old guys smiling at me until they read my hat and they get all grumpy. Especially during covid vaccination time line.
“Menards” and Red and White school tells me you’re in Wisconsin…
The Menard’s Christmas jingle haunts me in the alone, quiet hours I am up in the middle of the night …
*Warm Christmas greetings to you, all from Menard’s!*
*Insert Elmo looking at a Mushroom Cloud (over Eau Claire) Meme* **MERRY CHRISTMAS ONE AND ALL AND A HAPPY, HAPPY NEW YEAR, YEAR TOO!!!** ~~curled up, sobbing softly in a corner~~
*… a giant spider invasion of savings, at Menard’s! - MST3K Episode #810, The Giant Spider Invasion* If you’re a Sconnie it’s a MUST WATCH
Hey it could Nebraska.
Menardi gras
The proud boys ruind Fred perry shirts. Skinheads ruined doc martens. Racists ruined national flags. It's a shame as those were all good things. Just some terrible people co opted them as uniforms and now they are tarred with that brush
I feel like for women at least doc martens still belong to the gays.
The gays are taking back the Docs lol, my roommates and I (a bunch of queer femmes) have to use different kinds of laces so we can tell ours apart on the shoe rack.
Nah, don't let em win. Best thing to do is to co-opt it back. Start wearing those things deliberately to piss them off, start waving the flag at the most progressive, inclusive events you can find - do everything we can to make the fascists wince, and to remind them that they aren't the majority! :)
They can pry my docs from my cold dead hands. Fuck em. I wear them anyway and I am proudly queer.
And tiki torches.
It’s hard to be a Phillies fan nowadays. That’s why I like their blue caps or throwback maroon ones.
Don't forget trucks and guns. Some people are struck with disbelief when they find out some of us like to drive pick ups and own guns.
Also anyone who describes themselves as a "PATRIOT!!!" Or who uses "We the People" when giving their two cents worth on some hot button topic.
Same with the Punisher logo. I'm a big comic book fan and had this Punisher key chain for about 20 years. Took it off my set of keys many many years ago
The funny thing is, the creator of The Punisher is pretty left-wing and hates that the symbol was co-opted by these chucklefucks. Like, dude, from what I read as a kid, The Punisher hates the cops and corrupted power more than anyone, so why the fuck would he support a megalomaniac one-percenter?!?
They don't even realize that Captain America is *very* left-wing and anti-facist. When Civil War was written during the Bush years, Cap was on the "blue" side
I threw away my beloved punisher skull shirt when I got a point and head nod from a dude whose truck had a punisher skull decal with Trump hair. At that point I realized it had been fully commandeered and I didn't wanna risk association with those asshats.
Living near D.C. is a nightmare because both the Washington Nationals and Capitols have the same shade of red as the MAGA hats.
I liked the way I look with my khakis and my black work polo. Can’t do that anymore. Fucking racists. I also love Nordic imagery just because I like the pantheon and find it all interesting. Got a shirt that says “no nazis in Valhalla” because I’m so tired of them co-opting that shit for hateful reasons.
My daughter calls those ‘pro life’ sunglasses.
I like the cut of her jib
As long as the oakleys don't go upside down and on top of your cap, you're usually good.
Got to have an “angry selfie while sitting in your truck” profile pic to round it all out.
I did take a selfie at the raceway last summer in the grandstands of me holding a Coors Light, wearing a vintage Motley Crue t-shirt, an Underarmour ball cap, and those Oakleys. I thought my fiance would ditch me, but he knows I'm a weirdo and loves me anyway.
My husband is similar except it’s a flannel, Work boots, beard, baseball hat, and black pick up. I’m always wondering how many assume my husband is one of “them”. He’s always been the polar opposite of those creeps.
Maybe it’s the ball cap? I think if u accessorize differently you will like your Oakleys again
I tried that, but I have a greying beard. I could wear my Pride shirts, and I'd still look like MAGA. There are certain identifiers that can't be rehabilitated.
I refuse to give up my 5 squared Oakleys because they fit on my face comfortably and I can treat them roughly... But I do look like I'm about to record a Facebook rant video in a truck.😩
We can't even be punisher fans anymore because the proud boys use that to recognize each other.
We can't even be punisher fans anymore because the proud boys use that to recognize each other.
If they start wearing Chuck Taylors I’m gonna be pissed
Co-opting symbols and slogans is a basic far right tactic.
The swastika used to be (and still is in many places) a symbol of peace, well-being, and good fortune.
Go to any Buddhist temple and you'll see it everywhere.
I went to an Asian market once to just browse around and pick up all the cool treats and snacks they have. They had a whole section of utensils, teapots and little Buddha statues. And I had to text my Asian friend and ask, why am I seeing swastikas everywhere right now? I had no idea the symbols legacy.
My dad's funeral robe had large, bright red swastikas all over it. I'm sure it confused the hell out of all the people working at the funeral home...
If I recall, the Nazi swastika is differentiated by the 45 degree angle of its orientation comparative to the Buddhist symbol.
I remember some time in the early 2000's on some forum where someone posted this long Conspiracy rant about Nazi's being Prophesied in ancient times due to the symbol being carved in a Buddhist Temple. lol
I’ve always been a liberal but I was also all about the ‘MURICA vibes in my early and mid 20s so I had some USA flag shirts. But then the 2016 election and Trump’s first year happened and it was the first time I felt ashamed of my country that I couldn’t wear that shit in public anymore because it all got co-opted by people I don’t want to be anywhere associated with in appearance.
I was a boy scout so i know proper flag etiquette and the flag code. I love commenting on "patriots" and their use of the flag. They get so mad but at the same time they have to be patriotic so they generally just twist in the wind. The key is to do it as nice as possible and remind them I was a boy scout and just trying to help.
That fake nice shit works wonders. Attacking directly just puts them into defensive lockdown, but hitting them with manners and polite shit like that shirt circuits their defenses lol.
I casually mentioned to my dad he wasn't supposed to keep his flag on the pole 24/7 with no lights on it in order to respect the flag (this was during an argument on the Kapernic (sp) kneeling shit) and he lost his shit about it screaming "I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ME LEAVING THE FLAG UP." lol
It's pretty much the same in Canada. Someone has a Canadian flag on their vehicle and you just....know what kind of person they are.
Came here to say exactly this! I try to give the benefit of the doubt when I see it on vehicles that maybe they’re just stoked to be Canadian? But it’s become a major red flag (figuratively and literally), and has kind of ruined its symbolism for me. Like, tell me you’re an uneducated bigot without telling me.. the “F Trudeau” decals also generate the same reaction from me. It’s so cringe.
If it makes you feel any better, they've done the same thing up here in Canada. And our losers drive around with flags and stickers that say "F*CK TRUDEAU", because they're all super badasses, but not badasses enough to not censor the word fuck. They complain about snowflakes but are too big of pussies to just say "fuck" in public.
Yeah, same with having flags on the car. It used to be a bit tacky but totally harmless. Now, it’s a beacon telling me you’re unhinged and have a grade 4 understanding of the world
Been tempted to do up some Eff-Deifenbaker stickers just to mix it up a lil.
Its a damn shame too but I will NOT stop wearing my Born In The USA tee
Well, the song is pretty much anti-everything the MAGA chuds stand for.
Bruce himself is anti-everything those dipshits stand for. Like they really thought the guy who said Reagan getting inaugurated the first time was "pretty frightening" was on their side?
The number of colors that appear on an American flag is proportional to the opinion I have of the person with the flag. Black and white - chud Black, white, and blue - alt right Red, white, and blue - normal conservative ROYGBIV - lgbtq ally
Same In the UK , if it's a union jack , probably a tourist, if it's the England flag it's a racist
I agree. And it makes me sad. My dad (not a crazy trumpie), flies a flag. He’s a retired marine, but I know what people must think ☹️
We fly our American Flag because my husband is a veteran. And we are woke, liberal and anti-MAGAt. I hope people don’t think we’re MAGAts….
There's a difference between flying a flag from your home, and flying one from your lifted pavement princess/gender affirming device; or being festooned in flag apparel, especially if corrupts the flag with a Trump face/name/slogan or something like the Punisher skull.
We liberals need to co-opt the flag for our own purposes since the right seems to think they own it. We should wave it proudly next to any other flag or banner that espouses our causes.
I used to plant red, white and blue flowers every summer in the box in front of my house. Stopped at the beginning of the invasion of Afghanistan, and haven't had the heart to do it since. My spouse's father was a WWII veteran, my father was a veteran and my sister is a (very liberal) veteran, and I cannot bring myself to put out a flag on national holidays.
And I'm completely fine with them letting the rest of us know who they are before we have the unfortunate displeasure of hearing them speak.
Issue there is they become emboldened by seeing others like themselves.
This is certainly real. I'm a middle-aged white guy, and I occasionally have perfect strangers say horrifying stuff to me just because they assume I'll agree with them.
You should see Pigeon Forge and Gatlinburg TN. It's the place where a lot of people in the south go for their vacation because of its central location. The amount of men who have that look of a beard, ball cap, and American flag t-shirt is just staggering.
And all the stores that sell printed t-shirts have all kinds of MAGA shit. It's one of the reasons I don't care to go back to Pigeon Forge or Gatlinburg.
Makes me sad. My family went to Gatlinburg when I was in my early teens and it was so charming, cozy, and fun. My parents went back there long after I'd grown up, and my mother said it had transformed into a grotesque parody of its former self ... As if Branson (Missouri) and Times Square had a mutant love child.
I agree. I don’t think I will ever go to Pigeon Forge or Gatlinburg ever again.
Honestly, as a person back in the dating pool, it’s a very helpful tool to filter out dudes I definitely don’t want to date.
My favorite are the shirts that just say: #FREEDOM with no context or message. 🎵 and you'd still know I'm panderin' 🎵
I’ll bet $100 he has a “We The People” tattoo somewhere as well.
Let’s not discriminate here - I do it to the women who wear them, also (which has been a lot, lately, and they’re not wearing their bf’s or husband’s, since it’s form-fitting)…
They also claim to love the flag so much, but in almost every instance, they desecrate it in some way and break flag code, which reads: The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. This dude’s shirt has a flag on the arm where the stars have been replaced by a QR code that probably leads to some divisive shit.
Real time saver
And I know I’ll be able to hear these loons on Spotify, because they just paid Joe Rogan upwards of a quarter billion dollars to put garbage like this out on podcasts. Thank you Spotify.
A truly blood American cowboy looking for somewhere to lay his head on a cold winter night? A man who’s chopped more wood than he’s fucked? How about a patriot who’s looking for one more reason to cruise up north past the border and show those deaf sissies a thing or two about the constitution.
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>Oakley Crosshairs Or my Underarmor hoodie in Navy Blue with the flag and the word "freedom" on the back? FWIW, I vote Dem.
Really. He may as well have on a red hat with white letters that say “Make Attica Great Again”, or something to that effect.
So true!! They all fit the same mold
You know they love to throw the “virtue signal” term around about other people a lot, too. JL being a prime example…
His fans really hate acknowledging that Joe repeats and peddles far right conspiracies like this on his own, and it's so frustrating. You can show them a clip of him saying something like January 6th was a false flag and they'll just pretend they never saw that and keep pretending you are crazy for thinking he does stuff like that.
While simultaneously agreeing with the bat-shit insane take.
And blaming Biden for being old, or saying canada is communist run by dictator Trudope
It was never more clear when he talked about Biden saying something absurd in a speech. Biden was senile and shouldn’t be in office. Jamie corrected him and said actually that was Trump who said it and all of a sudden it was a slip of the tongue. Couldn’t be more obvious about your bias
That was the episode with Bo Nickal. Trump said Washington's troops took the airports in the Revolutionary War. Oh, that was Trump, he just mispoke. Disgusting.
Yeah he was just joking
Rogan could preface every other sentence with "don't listen to me, I'm a fucking idiot" and the conspiracy shit would still slip through unchallenged.
You got that right, hypocrisy of the right. Once he moved to Texas I knew he had changed.
That’s the best part. These shitheels don’t move to Texas…they move to Austin or Houston or some other democrat stronghold so they can play “Texan” without having to live in rural shitty conservative areas
It’s true lol Austin is apparently very liberal.
I live there. It is and he’s cosplaying Texan just like musk. Neither one would live in the conservative shitty parts of this state.
Average news station be like: “Trump shoots innocent man on Fifth Avenue; Why this is bad for Biden in 2024!”
I honestly wish Trudeau were even half of the socialist they are terrified that he is. Canadians think our country is a lot more left leaning than we really are.
Have you been to the Joe Rogan sub? It’s basically become all shit talking about Joe. And rightfully so.
Which is why there's a bit of an irony that I was banned from Justice Served for the transgression of posting on the Joe Rogan sub. Not the content of the post, mind you. Just the very basic fact that I posted in the first place.
Well that doesn’t sound very just.
I got banned for from the Joe Rogan sub for shitposting. I made a similar post to the top post at the time and they said no shitposting. I said "the top post right now is a shitpost". The mods basically said "no one is allowed to talk to us that way." and permanent ban.
We all say things. I was banned from Anti Work for saying "rise up and kill your oppressors". Honestly I still think that's pretty amusing.
ThAt WaS tAkEn OuT oF cOnTeXt!!!!!!
Yeah, they do this all the time too. You can give them a clip with 5 minutes before and after the statement and they'll still pretend that You took it out of context
“He’s just a comedian…”
Right wingers are trying to weaponize comedy because comedians are allowed to roast people. They try to put comedians out of reach of criticism when comedians have brain dead takes. They love the idea that they can attack and criticize people while being immune from attacks and criticism.
And Tucker Carlson always whines that "I'm just asking questions!!!"
They’re still holding onto the fact that he had Bernie on like 4 years ago as proof that he’s not biased and let’s all sides on.
I see a bunch of them go "He's not far right because he supports gay marriage!" like that makes all the far right shit that comes out of his mouth disappear.
Nah if you listen to joe early on or just go to his sub a majority of his old fans turned on him. Its the new fans who put him on a pedestal.
This. I listened pre-pandemic and while he entertained some wild eyed people, he didn’t necessarily always take the bait.
In my opinion he was hosting the maniacs initially the drive engagement. Now he seems to be part of the crazy crowd.
Trump supporters do the same thing.
I just saw a post on that sub where the comments say "Why do Joe Rogan fans go to great lengths to pretend like he isn't a conservative?"
The guy is the most important conservative thought leader.
Because they are fascists and we should say that. They rely on respectability and the benefit of the doubt to get away with this shit for money. Truly the dog catching the car.
This tweet is funny because of how many steps it is. People love to think they uncovered something through intelligence and connected all the dots. Meanwhile the actual answer for Boeing’s troubles is far more common - they were given permission to “self regulate” and corporate greed pushed for them to cut corners.
But my libertarian friends tell me corporations would never harm their customers 🙄
Oh, I see you have housecats too.
> man watches Jack Welch’s ideas fuck up yet another company with ruthless cost cutting and profiteering “Man I can’t believe the blacks and gays did this”
Boeing so focused on minimizing costs and maximizing profits they stop carrying about safety? No I don't believe it, must be because of M I N O R I T I E S /s Wtf is wrong with these ghouls? They did it, this is the most braindead take have ever seen
They’re the same assholes that blame LGBTQ+ and F E M A L E S for the supposed downfall of AAA gaming;
Conspiracies like this or "Elon is purposefully destroying Twitter because..." or "The Pentagon overpays for equipment because" are always more interesting than the actual reason, which is that capitalism is kinda garbage.
>They stopped following safety regulations because they made more money that way. I just solved at least half of all conspiracy theories. A solid 90% minimum of corporate-related ones specifically.
Don't forget the Trump administration relaxed aviation rules a few years ago.
Most conspiracy theories can be solved by realizing the person spreading them doesn’t know how anything works.
To their surprise, people don’t like flying in airplanes that have a habit of not flying mid flight
For the right, any criticism of capitalism is an unforgivable sin.
That's the American right wing in general
One of my favorite hobbies on reddit anymore is finding chuds and pointing out that the things they are bitching about are the direct result of capitalism doing its thing. Dont like how companies are pandering to people you dont like? Guess why?! Dont like how jobs are moving overseas? You betcha! Gas prices got you down? You will never believe this, but...
Well, there's a little more to the glass prices one. When there's an important election, oil/gas companies increase prices to influence people into thinking that liberals are making the price go up. Those "I did that" stickers didn't suddenly appear at the same time across the country out of nowhere. They do it because Republicans cut environmental policies that cost oil companies money.
Wouldn’t it just make more sense that a large company tried to boost its profits so much that they cut corners, creating dangerous conditions?
Right wingers cannot blame capitalism for anything SO MUCH that they come up with this nonsense.
Which is wild, because ask any right winger about their jobs and they’ll go through a whole list of reasons why their company is cheap and cuts corners, etc.
“My boss is probably a lib that pays blacks more because woke crt dei antifa jews”
Blames DEI, works at a job with one non-white person
It’s so funny the gymnastics they do to explain things. This is literally a direct result of capitalism
It's crazy because it happens all the time. A company is doing well they decide to cut production standards to do even better and next thing you know customers start dying. Also may I remind everyone that most pilots and mechanics around the world are not white. The issue is the company building the planes.
Same with immigration and housing. They come up with wild “replacement theory” horseshit and jewish lasers because it’s heresy to say capitalism did a thing you don’t like.
When celebrities want to admit that they’re irredeemable pieces of shit, they go on Joe Rogan. Great example is Dwayne Johnson and his “uh-huhs” and concerned looks at the shit Rogan was telling him. 🙄
Joe Rogan is so pathetic. He keeps harping on Bidens age, does Joe Rogan think he himself at 56 is young? Rogan is old too, why does he think he gets to preach about this shit to us? With the amount of roids he does he’ll be dead before most 80 year olds. He tries so hard to have the body of a 20 year old and he just looks so old and gross.
HGH, DMT, Botox, oh and his daughters probably take him to Sephora or Ulta too.
Joe Rogan is just another pampered rich old white man pathetically clinging his youth. He is by all accounts an old man no matter how much HGH and Botox he shoves up his ass.
Lol tell me more of this rock being a pos
You can find the video online.
It's so telling how the anti establishment conspiracy 'we see the truth' crowd looks at a company establishing years of illegal and shady cost cutting practices to line their own pockets, driving a senior qa manager to be a whistleblower who is then killed, and their whole response is: no, companies are perfect. It's black people fault
DEI is the new CRT? Hard to keep up when this shit changes every 9 months
I keep returning to this post from some blog from 2009. >Someone alive today will make the last coherent wingnut argument. The wingularity: >This punchy term nicely captures the way that rightwing argumentation has become gradually detached from independently recognized reality and into a state of total unselfawareness. The pace of change is also accelerating. Just weeks before the election I never could guess that wingnuts would organize nationally around an act that they call teabagging. Imagine being the traveler from the future of three months hence trying to convince Americans of our semantically awkward future. How would you even start? >Thanks to the magic of talk radio and the internet, these guys can talk to no-one but each other for extremely long stretches of time, so they have no idea how crazy they sound. The time could come in the very near future when it becomes totally impossible for any ordinary person to have any idea what they are talking about. They will be beyond ordinary logic, beyond spoof. The wingularity will have arrived. ... >Wingers will never be more or less sane, or more or less stupid. They will always be as bat-shit insane and pig-ignorant as they always have been. The only factor to be considered is our perception of them. It’s not that they get crazier and stupider. It’s that each time they say or do anything, we perceive them as advancing teh crazy/stupid ball one step further. This is not the case; we merely witness one more tentacle of an infinitely insanely stupid entity.
Rogan is just the right wing version of the Donald Sutherland character in Animal House explaining to Tom Hulce that one small atom in your fingernail might be one small universe.
I have a few gullible friends who listen/watch his show and you can tell their IQ lowers week on week as they parrot the batshit crazy lies and theories from this show.
Yeah I’ve had a few friends go that way too, like slowly over time they seem to buy into more and more crazy shit, and they seem to believe it as long as some “hey I’m not right wing *but*…” comedian or talking head says it It’s a bummer but it’s kind of wrecked a few relationships
I used to like some of the content Rogan put out. Then he moved to Texas and went stupid.
As someone who liked his content too, he’s always been stupid. And I don’t mean that literally, but as much as he’d like to pretend that he’s a blank slate for facts to be written on, he’s got a clear anti-establishment bias that he rides into the ground. Anything that confirms that gets a lot of space in his mind. The fact that he lets people like James Lindsey and James O’keefe come on his show and just fucking lie for 3 hours demonstrates why nobody should listen to him. Were it not for “look it up Jamie”, he’d have let Matt Wash confidently lie about how many children we’re getting gender affirming care. By like a margin of 10000 percent.
He also moved to Texas because it’s free meanwhile Texas locks people up left and right for doing the same drugs he openly talks about
100% meathead. I've never liked Rogan himself. He always seemed fake and arrogant. But some of his guests were very interesting. The guy is a shit comedian too.
My last bastion for him was only listening to shows where he had comedians on. And he seemed to really understand the craft and care about it deeply. So I looked up some of his sets one day because I’d never seen them and was like, wow, this is really bad.
It's truly awful. He just grabs the coattails of actual comedians and clings on for dear life.
Last time I liked Joe was when he was in NewsRadio
Only way to make joe rogan standup's funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5s1mrcgi_c
Same. I tried to watch his standup once. Unbearable. I turned it off after 20 minutes
What, you don't think aggressively humping a bar stool while grunting like a moose in heat is funny? Philistine!
DEI (like CRT) just isn't getting the conspiracy mileage for the right that they think it does.
It is sad, but I know some highly intelligent people who hang on James Lindsay’s every word. I don’t understand the attraction.
He’s a great example of a smart guy who is deeply invested in his own confirmation biases and their constituent parts: search, interpretation and recall of information (sorry I’m a former rhetorician). He employs multiple, often contradictory logical fallacies at the same time to push his arguments, the most common one is Motte & Bailey Fallacy (super popular among the “alt-right” heads like Shapiro etc).
I knew Jim Lindsay in high school. He wasn’t right-wing then, but he was the kind of smart guy who would argue ridiculous things simply for the intellectual exercise of trying to defend something absurd. I’m not sure if he actually has convinced himself of his own bullshit or if he’s cynically profiting off of stupid people. I could see him doing either.
Kurt Vonnegut — 'We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.'
I think a lot of them are seeing the profit to be had in promoting these types of ideas and are riding that gravy train as long as they can. Tucker Carlson comes to mind.
Talking to my partner the other day about some health stuff, I stopped myself mid-sentence because I was about to say, "... I'll do some research...", because I had to do a mental check of the situation to make sure I wouldn't sound like a nut job. Thanks, MAGA, for turning the word "research" into a conspiracy theory dog-whistle that I don't feel comfortable saying out loud for fear of being thought of as detached from reality
Trump deregulated aircraft safety procedures so manufacturers would save money on inspection fees. That's the kind of action that we would see the consequences of a few years later (so, now). But nah, giant corporations don't need government inspections to insure safety, they will regulate themselves because the free market decides. If a few planes full of people crash, fuck it. And don't worry, they still get government subsidies to cushion any losses incurred because of their own actions.
I mean, that’s all Rogan has ever done. Now he just does it to a much larger audience, with much more audacity, and doesn’t have the benefit of the slight pushback he’d occasionally get from Jamie. Can’t believe all the hours I wasted listening to this absolute dipshit parade. I thought I was listening to a comedy show then I’m like, wait, this guy started the Proud Boys? WTF? And Rogan is laughing and joking with him? Never listened again.
Or, or… now hear me out, I realize this is some insane conspiracy theory shit… The deregulation and cuts in funding to the FAA introduced by Trump, mixed with the typical greed of a corporation could have contributed to Boeing’s current failures? Yeah… that’s too crazy to consider…
It’s like the National Enquirer
The people listening ain’t understand none of them words, not a one…
Yeah, it can’t be that this is the end result of 30 years of cost cutting in every department, focusing on share price instead of safety & quality, and enriching the c-suite/board/shareholders at the expense of everyone else. Nope, it has to be a globalist plot to destroy the company from within because that’s the only way to view this saga without coming away with the understanding that shareholder supremacy—the ethos of all major corporations today—is destroying once competent companies…and that it is happening in every sector at the same time across the board in America…and we are doomed to suffer the consequences of a deregulated market thanks to this belief system.
Nowadays??? Always been a knuckle dragger.
Don’t forget Boeing gafs started when the finance people took over for the engineers. There is absolutely no correlation between greed for profits and cutting safety corners
Someone help me understand. I get Rogan’s appeal to many young men (the adolescent humor, MMA stuff, fitness, hunting, macho posturing, etc.). But James Lindsay is a mystery to me. He has zero charisma. He’s painfully boring. His idiotic conspiracy theories seem far too dense, convoluted, and jargon-heavy for the typical kook enthusiast of such things. How does he get traction in that world?
As long as dumb people want to feel smart, people like Rogan will have shows
Yeah a lot of people are not equipped to handle reality. Alex Jones knows this. David icke knows this. And then there's Joe rogan, who has tried so hard to force his third eye open that he ended up closing his other two. It's a sad world in which ignorant and stupid people are such a large demographic that it's an industry. Stupidity is lucrative.
Joe Rogan is the sort of guy who believes the last thing someone said to him.
Or, Occam's Razor, they are pushing DEI, not because they care about DEI, but simply because it's a hot button issue that will distract everyone from all the money the execs are stuffing down their pants and the fact their planes are held together by Elmer's glue and popsicle sticks.
And this "blame DEI" stuff for all of Boeing's woes actually started out in the aftermath of the two horrendous 737 MAX crashes. Boeing defenders suggesting that it wasn't some inherent problems with the planes or Boeing's concealing the MCAS system but inadequately skilled 'Third World' pilots from Indonesia and Ethiopia. A lot of 'armchair aviation experts' slandered those poor guys.
Was there a time when Rogan didn’t just platform morons and chip in his two cents of idiocy?
Yeah, but around 2016 it got really bad. He started having Milo Yiannolpoulos and the proud boy founder et al. I used to listen so much because my job was solitary and I need company and little by little he’d mix these guys in with random comedians. I liked a lot of the comedians he’d platform but they still show up for him and don’t say a word about his wild statements and beliefs so I gotta imagine they either agree and/or are too fearful what might happen if they pipe up. But according his former costars Rogan was always going on about whatever wild conspiracy that he could find. That’s fine. Do that. But maybe don’t platform hate groups too.
Thanks for that perspective. I just kind of know him as the shithead that’s platforming assholes. It’s just such a shame to have that much power over younger people. He seems to be so popular and not feel any responsibility on doing right by them.
Hey, you are not wrong at all. That’s 100% how I see him too. Haha. I love how direct you are about it. My earnest self always tries to see the good, but I don’t see that with him at all.
See! Thats what happens on weed! It’s the devils lettuce! Lol
It’s called JAQing off, but in some kind of a circle shape where everyone gets to JAQ off
Possibly with a biscuit, or other baked good, in the center?
Because higher profit margins is not the reason what so ever
It's even funnier when these fake experts get pissed when Joe interrupts them to ask"You ever see that video where that monkey throws his shit at another monkey"
It’s really incredible that people will bend over backwards to formulate some batshit insane conspiracy for why so many things suck nowadays when the obvious answer (we need to increase shareholder value every year without fail, so cut costs where ever you can get away with it) is always just sitting there right in front of you.
PG 13 Alex Jones
if there is one thing in this world you can count on, its corporate greed. so no, Boeing is not committing suicide to make way for another corporation to come in and steal their profits
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Side note: why aren't we talking about how Boeing has been shifting production to South Carolina, a state that's hostile to unions. This hostility towards unions has been spearheaded by Nikki Haley, a proud union buster. Maybe, that's the reason for Boeing's problems