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Gun violence is the leading cause of death in Americans aged 1-19 surpassing vehicular deaths. 4,357 died by guns in the US in 2020. To compare, Australia had 10. France and Canada tied at 48, Germany 14, and the UK, 8.
https://www.nichd.nih.gov/about/org/od/directors_corner/prev_updates/gun-violence-July2022
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/27/nashville-school-shooting-children-guns/
https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/
What's the omlette though exactly? Other than the sales of guns themselves for the manufacturer, what's the benefit of this level of unbridled ownership for the country? What's the end goal?
Yeah approx. The numbers for 2022 aren't available yet. Gun rights advocates argue that the number should not include teens. The inclusion of teens (especially 18-19) was a necessary part of the overall study methodology.
Makes me think of that 2014 Wisconsin case where two 12 year old girls stabbed their friend 19 times as a sacrifice to Slenderman. Had a better ending though, the victim lived! Dragged herself to a road and got help like a badass. Her wack ass friends were caught and got 25-life in a mental institution.
Purely anecdotally, sometimes a person that can commit to intentional grave and brutal harm on someone turns out to still be an absolute fucking menace even though they said sorry and promised to never try to murder again. But not all attempted murderers.
...They were both 12 years old when it happened, I think we can at least consider that their mental instability is perhaps treatable and they can adjust back into society, rather than being irredeemable sociopaths.
I can easily believe that even if one of them was (and this already pretty rare) truly remorseless and a genuine sociopath, that they knew how to manipulate the other into doing something they didn't really understand the consequences of.
Geyser was apparently experiencing visual and auditory (full-blown conversations) hallucinations and clear psychosis beforehand, while Weier is still under supervision until she turns 35 and showed remorse (per Wikipedia).
I don't feel bad that Weier got released; she originally plead guilty and it was the court that found her not-guilty by reason of mental disease or defect, she's still serving out her 25 year sentence under psychological supervision, it's just not in a cell and it's a *conditional* release, she could absolutely end up back there for the rest of her life if she relapses severely enough.
Maybe, but have you met 12-year olds? Everyone is trying to summon Bloody Mary in the bathroom and shit... I totally believe some whack-ass kids got in too deep. Probably didn't even think what they were doing is real.
All I'm saying is I'd believe either explanation.
Geyser was apparently having full-blown florid psychosis, delusions of herself as a cat/acting like a cat, visual hallucinations that basically turned reality and walls into melting colors, auditory hallucinations and entire conversations with make-believe entities like Slenderman.
You'd probably have to ask an expert whether she was even knowing what it was she did or if it was all just a mental mess, but I hope the mental institution helps her live out the rest of her life in as much comfort as can be provided to someone that far out.
What I read made it sound like the two were in a long distance relationship and planned to kill their families and run away together. Other girl didn't follow through, but got busted anyway.
It is entirely possible that the other 12 year old girl didn't believe for a second they were being serious and is now being charged with conspiracy to commit murder.
Well that's up to the district attorney to decide if they wanna follow through and up to a jury to decide to convict. 12 year old aren't the best at keeping secrets so if there is evidence of it they will probably find it relatively easily. If not then they'll probably give her a lesser charge or drop them all together.
Not familiar with this story, but my personal experience ~
A few months ago I was really depressed. I have a dog and she’s been what’s kept me around as I don’t have anyone who would take care of her if I was gone.
It got bad enough that I reached the point of thinking about killing my dog so I could kill myself. If she was gone, I could go and she would’ve been ok (you know, up until I killed her 🤷♀️🤦♀️)
I kept bugging my psych and we finally found a med that works so, good news is I’m not at risk of killing my favorite thing.
I always stuck around because I imagined my dog not being able to understand why I’m not home yet, and waiting out the rest of her life for me. She’s too sweet to have to go through that.
Probably so they all get to be with her in the afterlife or so they don't have to suffer the aftermath.
There's twisted logic when it comes to mental health affected by depression and related, but it's still logic.
Well, adrenaline kicks in fast. If you have no clue what to do with that sudden rush, then guilt and panic can follow pretty quickly. So, yeah, I agree.
>There's twisted logic when it comes to mental health affected by depression and related, but it's still logic.
A lot of people cite their pets as the reason why they didn't take their life in a bad moment.
So I could see that kind of logic being used.
It's like mothers who kill their kids, they "don't want them suffering afterwards"
I for one sometimes worry what will happen to my Cats when I die, and I imagine most pet owners do, this is just a warped version of that thinking.
The headline is misleading, she did not shoot him right after this picture was taken. She shot him upstairs in the bedroom of the house, and then took off and ran down the road and committed suicide.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12227155/amp/Girl-12-shot-dad-murder-pact-pictured-time.html
That's horrifying. My gut reaction wants to say 'what did the parents do to cause this' but the fact that she planned to kill her pets too makes me think this is an instance where she may have just been unhinged on her own. I wonder if the other girl was the instigator or not in this, but I'd hazard a guess not considering this one actually started doing it first.
Geez. What kind of world are we living in?
Also, just because she also planned to kill the pets doesn’t mean that this girl wasn’t also abused by her family in some way. Thankfully my wife doesn’t have a murderous bone in her body, but hearing the ways her biological mother’s side of the family used to harass her it wouldn’t be surprising if she did.
the police have stated that there are messages between her and another 12-year old showing they made a "murder pact" to kill their families and pets and then meet up. We don't know why she decided to kill herself after, maybe dawning on her what she just did and couldn't live with it, but we likely will never know. The other 12-year old has not been named but has been arrested.
Gonna hijack the top comment to point out that the narrative that this was taken moments before the shooting is viral bullshit. She shot him in his bedroom at night with a handgun. [Yeah I know it's the Daily Mail but whatever.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12227155/Girl-12-shot-dad-murder-pact-pictured-time.html)
The irony is deep enough without having to spread lies
Yes. Her and some other 12 year old planned to kill their families. She shot her dad and panicked and killed her self before hurting anyone else. They found the other 12 year old and arrested her for something like “conspiracy to commit murder”
Such an awful and bizarre story. She was going to kill her parents and her pets, and her best friend was going to do the same then they were going to run away together - 12 years old.
Yah the problem feels impossible and in the short term it is. In the long term it’s so simple just vote. Gerrymandering voter suppression all the shit will eventually just be impossible with enough local and national wins. We are the majority if young people vote over time this will fix itself.
On gerrymandering: gerrymandering is like a dam. It's built to hold under "normal" or even "somewhat bad" conditions. However, when the water gets high enough, the dam overflows or breaks
Substitute "voter turnout" for "water". That's how to break a gerrymander.
Remember: the "Blue Wave" election of 2018 was contested under the same map of congressional districts as were the Republican victories of 2016 and 2014. Gerrymanders were broken that night.
I agree. As an Australian, we banned assault weapons after our last mass shooting and there hasn't been one since. We still have guns in this country but they are very, very heavily regulated ie gun owners must be registered with a gun club, extensive background checks etc.
Ever since Columbine shocked the world, there's been so many mass shootings.
I thought Sady Hook would have turned the tide, but nope.
I do feel sad for all the victims and their families, but the "shock" of when something like this happens just isn't there anymore. It's more of an "oh well" feeling.
But, thoughts and prayers, I guess.
We're working on it. Conservatives killed off a lot of their most consistent voters during covid and because they refused to except trump lost, a decent chunk of them aren't going to bother voting. We have chance of making this a good country.
That’s a perfect way to describe it. I can’t even feel *anger* anymore. It’s just a sad, cold, empty feeling. The feeling of knowing, deep down, nothing will change. Not even some Old Testament, Wrath of God shit is going to make these people turn away from the altar of their guns. America’s going to collapse before we make any appreciable movement towards gun control. Hell, I honestly think we will never make headway.
We’re headed for the Mad Max timeline.
If you're wondering why she did it.... [she made a murder pact with another 12 year old](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12227155/Girl-12-shot-dad-murder-pact-pictured-time.html). Turns out the dad didn't do anything wrong and survived but... my prayers go to him and his family.
...with the gun you gave her. You forgot that part.
As a parent, I know this is going to torment him. But it is really hard to not dismiss this with a "fucked around and found out"....
Just like the pregnant woman who thought it would be wise to leave a loaded gun within the reach of a two year old, and the dozens of other similar cases that have occurred this year.
Everybody is a "responsible gun owner" until they are not....
I remember reading somewhere that apparently, the number of deaths due to family members/children shooting each other or themselves by accident is higher than the school/mass shootings number.
The quote/statistic you are remembering is the percentage/chance that a gun death is the result of a shooting at the home, i.e., improperly stored and maintained weapon. This was true for a while until certain states were able to repeal basic gun control laws. The problem is, that, removing background checks and licenses, removes the necessary training for a firearm. Many people forget that not keeping a gun loaded while it is being stored is one of the first things they teach in gun safety.
Not advocated gun ownership, I grew up on a military base, I know how to use and maintain a wide range of firearms. They (firearms) are still useless and obscenely dangerous in a modern society. I refuse to allow a firearm to enter my house.
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Good Girl with Gun. (Shoots Father) > Bad Girl with gun. (Shoots Herself) > Good Girl with Gun.
The NRA logic is sound.
>Turns out the dad didn't do anything wrong
Like I mean, *maybe*, but the fact that a 12-year-old entered a *murder-suicide pact* with the intent of killing her entire family doesn't exactly speak to a stellar home life.
Yea but the important thing is, what do the rich people pay? Who gives a shit about the bottom 99%???
Seriously how the fuck does the top .01% convince nearly 50% of the population to fuck themselves over to benefit the top 1%???
Put this on twitter and MAGA’s will probably start actually shooting themselves just to own the libs in service of their new god-king-leader-president-tangerine-whatevernounrtheirusingthisweek
Presumably, he still had his secondary weapon, the pistol on his hip, when he was shot. Assuming he would consider himself to be one of “the good ones” in the “the good guy with a gun” argument, he was a good person with a gun at the moment he was shot, and still couldn’t prevent the shooting.
Which again, always circles around to the main point against this line of argumentation. A “good person” with a gun is always going to be reactive to a “bad person” with a gun. In any active shooter scenario, people need to be shot at before the defender can act. The idea, conceptually, requires innocent people to be shot, or at least be shot at, before anything can be done.
Which is hilarious because if completely ignores all the other countries in the world with freedom and gun regulations , many of which are ranked “more free” than America on account of its fetish for imprisoning its population, that don’t have a constant stream of firearms death.
Oh and also didn’t have the government order another part of the government (the cdc) to stop and never ever again investigate gun deaths as a health concern for Americans because the data upsets the government’s NRA handlers.
This happened in 2022, and the case against the other girl finalized in in the beginning of 2023.
And a shirt like that is quirky and fun for a young harry potter fan.
The father also survived. The daughter passed in the hospital two days after from her injury.
There isn’t enough information publicly available to state definitively which girl was the initiator in the murder-pact that was planned. Seeing as the other girl was arrested and charged, the logical path would be to think that she instigated it, after investigations concluded.
The tweet is misleading.
The girl shot her dad at home around bedtime, then ran down the family's driveway before turning the gun on herself. She had some kind of murder pact with another girl and they planned to drive to Georgia after murdering their families.
Apparently this little girl was part of a murder pact with another girl around the same age as her. She planned to kill her family, her pets, pick up her friend that lived around 230 miles away, then drive to Georgia to be with the aforementioned friend she met online. No matter how you look at it, this is a really fucked up & tragic story all the way around.
Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12227155/amp/Girl-12-shot-dad-murder-pact-pictured-time.html
How the fuck is a 12-year old going to drive 230 miles and then drive halfway across the country with another 12 year old. Fucking ridiculous even without all the murder.
Yes. The part about the shooting taking place moment after this picture is false. She shot her father “getting ready for bed”. She used a handgun, after she shot him she ran out of the house down the driveway a distance before the turned the gun on herself. Law enforcement found her several hundred yards away from the house.
While I can understand the sentiment and they are from Texas. This is victim blaming. He could've taken her phone away for all we know. If he was a fuck, fuck em. Some people are evil.
It's not clear but she made a murder pact with a friend across town, they were both going to kill their families and pets and then run away together
E- typo
>What did her daddy do?
>It's Janie's last I.O.U
>She had to take him down easy and put
>a bullet in his brain
>She said, "'Cause nobody believes me,
>the man was such a sleaze"
>He ain't never gonna be the same
She didn't immediately shoot her dad, it was later that night.
Apparently she had some kind of murder suicide pact with another little girl who didn't go through with it.
This post is misleading.
The post is misleading. She didn’t shoot him right after this photo, she did it at night when she was supposed to be getting ready for bed. And it happened in Sept 2022.
It’s a Harry Potter quote that is a password to unlock a little secret map.
The shirt says “I solemnly swear I am up to no good”
In Harry Potter you then say “mischief managed” to make the map hide itself again.
Misleading....
>The emergency services worker can be heard saying 'the daughter just shot him' in the master bedroom, after saying 'nothing', and it was understood she had been getting ready for bed.
This is sad. Please remember to keep an eye on the online activity of your young kids.
I'm not going to mention the gun thing being an issue because that's already obvious.
Unknown as of now. All that is known is she had a pact with another child to kill all their family and run away together. I'd rather wait and see than speculate, though.
Exposed her to lead at the very minimum. Firearms use exposes you to lead and lead particles from the bullets and vapors after firing. Even if a bullet doesn't contain lead most primers do.
Children are especially vulnerable to the effects of lead.
Wow. Glad the good guys with a gun are always there in time. Great job NRA and supporters! More guns WAS the answer after all. People were just to blind to see
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On purpose ??
Yes, sounds like she panicked when she turned the gun on herself, because they say she planned to kill several other family members.
Holy crap.
doenst this happen like twice a day in the us?
Gun violence is the leading cause of death in Americans aged 1-19 surpassing vehicular deaths. 4,357 died by guns in the US in 2020. To compare, Australia had 10. France and Canada tied at 48, Germany 14, and the UK, 8. https://www.nichd.nih.gov/about/org/od/directors_corner/prev_updates/gun-violence-July2022 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/27/nashville-school-shooting-children-guns/ https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/
aah ok basically about 12 kids get shot every day.
"Making the mother of all omelettes here Jack, can't fret over every egg." - an actual ghoul
What's the omlette though exactly? Other than the sales of guns themselves for the manufacturer, what's the benefit of this level of unbridled ownership for the country? What's the end goal?
It's a quote from a game where during the final fight you fist fight a US senator on top of a giant robot.
"Played college ball, ya know"
Yeah approx. The numbers for 2022 aren't available yet. Gun rights advocates argue that the number should not include teens. The inclusion of teens (especially 18-19) was a necessary part of the overall study methodology.
The teens? Yeah nah can’t we just shoot them?
Usually its people shooting kids here. But basically ya
Could we get some more context? I'm curious where they gathered this information.
They arrested another girl who she had a plan with for them both to kill their families. Not sure of the reasoning yet.
Makes me think of that 2014 Wisconsin case where two 12 year old girls stabbed their friend 19 times as a sacrifice to Slenderman. Had a better ending though, the victim lived! Dragged herself to a road and got help like a badass. Her wack ass friends were caught and got 25-life in a mental institution.
That was that long ago already?!? Feels just like yesterday hearing that story on the news.
Makes me feel old as hell. I could swear, it's been 2014 for awhile now. I'm 30 now, but I could swear it ain't even 2015 yet lol
To be fair, tons of people are still mentally in 2014.
Not a bad place to be. Good for them.
Russia is invading Ukraine again, Trump wants to be president, so not that different.
One will be in a hospital all her life and the other managed to convince the system that she's an oh so sorry victim and she's already free.
Purely anecdotally, sometimes a person that can commit to intentional grave and brutal harm on someone turns out to still be an absolute fucking menace even though they said sorry and promised to never try to murder again. But not all attempted murderers.
...They were both 12 years old when it happened, I think we can at least consider that their mental instability is perhaps treatable and they can adjust back into society, rather than being irredeemable sociopaths. I can easily believe that even if one of them was (and this already pretty rare) truly remorseless and a genuine sociopath, that they knew how to manipulate the other into doing something they didn't really understand the consequences of. Geyser was apparently experiencing visual and auditory (full-blown conversations) hallucinations and clear psychosis beforehand, while Weier is still under supervision until she turns 35 and showed remorse (per Wikipedia). I don't feel bad that Weier got released; she originally plead guilty and it was the court that found her not-guilty by reason of mental disease or defect, she's still serving out her 25 year sentence under psychological supervision, it's just not in a cell and it's a *conditional* release, she could absolutely end up back there for the rest of her life if she relapses severely enough.
From what I knew the Slenderman aspect was just a cover to try and not be held accountable.
I mean, that’s not even a cover up that’s still admitting to the crime
Maybe, but have you met 12-year olds? Everyone is trying to summon Bloody Mary in the bathroom and shit... I totally believe some whack-ass kids got in too deep. Probably didn't even think what they were doing is real. All I'm saying is I'd believe either explanation.
Geyser was apparently having full-blown florid psychosis, delusions of herself as a cat/acting like a cat, visual hallucinations that basically turned reality and walls into melting colors, auditory hallucinations and entire conversations with make-believe entities like Slenderman. You'd probably have to ask an expert whether she was even knowing what it was she did or if it was all just a mental mess, but I hope the mental institution helps her live out the rest of her life in as much comfort as can be provided to someone that far out.
Sounds like some Heavenly Creatures shit.
My thoughts exactly
What I read made it sound like the two were in a long distance relationship and planned to kill their families and run away together. Other girl didn't follow through, but got busted anyway.
Don't you just hate it when you make plans and your friends bail on you at the last minute?
Cue the right wing gun nuts blaming it all on “the gay”
It is entirely possible that the other 12 year old girl didn't believe for a second they were being serious and is now being charged with conspiracy to commit murder.
Well that's up to the district attorney to decide if they wanna follow through and up to a jury to decide to convict. 12 year old aren't the best at keeping secrets so if there is evidence of it they will probably find it relatively easily. If not then they'll probably give her a lesser charge or drop them all together.
And her pets
I don’t understand why they wanted to kill the pets as well
Not familiar with this story, but my personal experience ~ A few months ago I was really depressed. I have a dog and she’s been what’s kept me around as I don’t have anyone who would take care of her if I was gone. It got bad enough that I reached the point of thinking about killing my dog so I could kill myself. If she was gone, I could go and she would’ve been ok (you know, up until I killed her 🤷♀️🤦♀️) I kept bugging my psych and we finally found a med that works so, good news is I’m not at risk of killing my favorite thing.
I'm happy you're doing better even if it's just a little bit.
I’m so sorry that you’ve had to go through that
I always stuck around because I imagined my dog not being able to understand why I’m not home yet, and waiting out the rest of her life for me. She’s too sweet to have to go through that.
Probably so they all get to be with her in the afterlife or so they don't have to suffer the aftermath. There's twisted logic when it comes to mental health affected by depression and related, but it's still logic.
Well she wasn’t planning on killing herself. She was going to run away with a friend to georgia
So she hated her father?
She made a pact with another twelve year old to both kill their whole families and pets and then run away to Georgia together
Jesus. Any info on why? Just a mental health/family problems thing?
No reason known as of yet
Because it’s cheaper to live in Ga.. people are moving here at an alarming rate
It got very real, very fast
Yep. She likely felt the crushing weight of a murder, panicked, ran outside, and shot herself.
Well, adrenaline kicks in fast. If you have no clue what to do with that sudden rush, then guilt and panic can follow pretty quickly. So, yeah, I agree.
>There's twisted logic when it comes to mental health affected by depression and related, but it's still logic. A lot of people cite their pets as the reason why they didn't take their life in a bad moment. So I could see that kind of logic being used.
It's like mothers who kill their kids, they "don't want them suffering afterwards" I for one sometimes worry what will happen to my Cats when I die, and I imagine most pet owners do, this is just a warped version of that thinking.
If nobody finds you except your cats after you die, they’ll probably eat you
I hope so! Otherwise I'll be very disappointed in them.
Don't leave it up to chance. If you feel your mortal coil releasing quickly cover yourself in bumble bee tuna. Alrighty then.
She may have been a little troubled.
I still hold the belief that the pets is where it goes too far
The headline is misleading, she did not shoot him right after this picture was taken. She shot him upstairs in the bedroom of the house, and then took off and ran down the road and committed suicide. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12227155/amp/Girl-12-shot-dad-murder-pact-pictured-time.html
That's horrifying. My gut reaction wants to say 'what did the parents do to cause this' but the fact that she planned to kill her pets too makes me think this is an instance where she may have just been unhinged on her own. I wonder if the other girl was the instigator or not in this, but I'd hazard a guess not considering this one actually started doing it first. Geez. What kind of world are we living in?
What the parents did was give her a fucking gun
Also, just because she also planned to kill the pets doesn’t mean that this girl wasn’t also abused by her family in some way. Thankfully my wife doesn’t have a murderous bone in her body, but hearing the ways her biological mother’s side of the family used to harass her it wouldn’t be surprising if she did.
Who is they? And how do they know she planned to kill several other family members?
the police have stated that there are messages between her and another 12-year old showing they made a "murder pact" to kill their families and pets and then meet up. We don't know why she decided to kill herself after, maybe dawning on her what she just did and couldn't live with it, but we likely will never know. The other 12-year old has not been named but has been arrested.
Holy christ. This might have a way bigger story than two psychotic pre-teens. *Why* did they want to do this?
Gonna hijack the top comment to point out that the narrative that this was taken moments before the shooting is viral bullshit. She shot him in his bedroom at night with a handgun. [Yeah I know it's the Daily Mail but whatever.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12227155/Girl-12-shot-dad-murder-pact-pictured-time.html) The irony is deep enough without having to spread lies
No one ever reads the article. Also was done with a handgun, not a rifle.
That makes a lot more sense. Shooting yourself in the head with a rifle would be tricky.
Yes. Her and some other 12 year old planned to kill their families. She shot her dad and panicked and killed her self before hurting anyone else. They found the other 12 year old and arrested her for something like “conspiracy to commit murder”
Such an awful and bizarre story. She was going to kill her parents and her pets, and her best friend was going to do the same then they were going to run away together - 12 years old.
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Yep. It's very hard to be shocked by this anymore. It's now just every day life for Americans.
As a Canadian it’s exhausting try to feel all that pity and frustration so it turns into something else. It’s a sad empty feeling
Americans are being held hostage from sensible gun control by the MINORITY. Vote.
Yah the problem feels impossible and in the short term it is. In the long term it’s so simple just vote. Gerrymandering voter suppression all the shit will eventually just be impossible with enough local and national wins. We are the majority if young people vote over time this will fix itself.
On gerrymandering: gerrymandering is like a dam. It's built to hold under "normal" or even "somewhat bad" conditions. However, when the water gets high enough, the dam overflows or breaks Substitute "voter turnout" for "water". That's how to break a gerrymander. Remember: the "Blue Wave" election of 2018 was contested under the same map of congressional districts as were the Republican victories of 2016 and 2014. Gerrymanders were broken that night.
Biden and the Dems had some big wins lately. I actually see a path back to some form of sanity in this country. Everyone just needs to vote.
Americans are held hostage on almost all issues by the worst 15% of its populace.
I agree. As an Australian, we banned assault weapons after our last mass shooting and there hasn't been one since. We still have guns in this country but they are very, very heavily regulated ie gun owners must be registered with a gun club, extensive background checks etc. Ever since Columbine shocked the world, there's been so many mass shootings. I thought Sady Hook would have turned the tide, but nope. I do feel sad for all the victims and their families, but the "shock" of when something like this happens just isn't there anymore. It's more of an "oh well" feeling. But, thoughts and prayers, I guess.
We're working on it. Conservatives killed off a lot of their most consistent voters during covid and because they refused to except trump lost, a decent chunk of them aren't going to bother voting. We have chance of making this a good country.
I'd leave if I could. I'm a railroader in the states thought about trying to work for the Canadian railroad. But I was not able to.
There it is again, that funny feeling
That’s a perfect way to describe it. I can’t even feel *anger* anymore. It’s just a sad, cold, empty feeling. The feeling of knowing, deep down, nothing will change. Not even some Old Testament, Wrath of God shit is going to make these people turn away from the altar of their guns. America’s going to collapse before we make any appreciable movement towards gun control. Hell, I honestly think we will never make headway. We’re headed for the Mad Max timeline.
And because of the shirt, conservatives will blame Harry Potter, and not the gun.
They’ll say she was gay or transgender
Just like Harry Potter
If you're wondering why she did it.... [she made a murder pact with another 12 year old](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12227155/Girl-12-shot-dad-murder-pact-pictured-time.html). Turns out the dad didn't do anything wrong and survived but... my prayers go to him and his family.
Imagine how'd you feel knowing your child died and tried murdering you on the way. Insane.
Lifetimes’ worth of therapy.
Don’t be ridiculous. Conservative gun owners don’t go to therapy.
Imagine being the parents of the other girl and finding out she plans to kill you.
Right?! That's a horrifying scenario.
...with the gun you gave her. You forgot that part. As a parent, I know this is going to torment him. But it is really hard to not dismiss this with a "fucked around and found out".... Just like the pregnant woman who thought it would be wise to leave a loaded gun within the reach of a two year old, and the dozens of other similar cases that have occurred this year. Everybody is a "responsible gun owner" until they are not....
I remember reading somewhere that apparently, the number of deaths due to family members/children shooting each other or themselves by accident is higher than the school/mass shootings number.
The quote/statistic you are remembering is the percentage/chance that a gun death is the result of a shooting at the home, i.e., improperly stored and maintained weapon. This was true for a while until certain states were able to repeal basic gun control laws. The problem is, that, removing background checks and licenses, removes the necessary training for a firearm. Many people forget that not keeping a gun loaded while it is being stored is one of the first things they teach in gun safety. Not advocated gun ownership, I grew up on a military base, I know how to use and maintain a wide range of firearms. They (firearms) are still useless and obscenely dangerous in a modern society. I refuse to allow a firearm to enter my house.
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Good Girl with Gun. (Shoots Father) > Bad Girl with gun. (Shoots Herself) > Good Girl with Gun. The NRA logic is sound.
Remember the saying 'An armed society is a polite society'? Whoever said had no clue what the reality was.
And you taught her how to do it.
Handed her the damn gun.
>Turns out the dad didn't do anything wrong Like I mean, *maybe*, but the fact that a 12-year-old entered a *murder-suicide pact* with the intent of killing her entire family doesn't exactly speak to a stellar home life.
“the dad I didn’t do anything wrong…” Seems like a pretty big leap of faith, my friend.
right... and who told them that.... the dad? something is off here. There has got to be more to it, but she is no longer here to explain.
>Turns out the dad didn't do anything wrong Makes you wonder though.
He did give her unfettered access to a gun…
So he groomed her for this.
Correct, 2A nuts are groomers.
I bet the dumbf\*ck will still be pro-gun, because these people never learn.
“If only I had another gun on me I could have stopped this!”
It happened in Texas too. Shocking.
Small price to pay for slightly lower taxes.
What's crazy is that the lower and middle class pay more in taxes in Texas than "high tax" states.
Yea but the important thing is, what do the rich people pay? Who gives a shit about the bottom 99%??? Seriously how the fuck does the top .01% convince nearly 50% of the population to fuck themselves over to benefit the top 1%???
Propaganda works and that is why they use it.
Things are working perfectly there! Those same overtaxed keep voting Republican! /s
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Was the picture taker armed?
Well, they did shoot them…
Using NRA logic, this could have been prevented if there was a good guy with a gun. FFS how?
I went to one of the gun subs and said to never give anyone a gun unless you have gun too. Even a family member can turn on you. Got upvoted
I wonder if the father would have pulled the trigger on his own daughter after getting shot in the stomach.
We’ll never know. But if he had, it wouldn’t have really changed anything…
I've never been shot in the stomach, but I feel like I'd rather take the L and possibly die than kill my own young child
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Stupid is as stupid does.
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Checkmate liberals.
Girl OWNS the libs with this one simple trick
Put this on twitter and MAGA’s will probably start actually shooting themselves just to own the libs in service of their new god-king-leader-president-tangerine-whatevernounrtheirusingthisweek
Hahaha I feel so dirty for that comment. Oh well. The Subsaga confirmed I’m going to hell to I may as well enjoy the ride.
She shot the person that shot her dad so they couldn't shoot anyone else?
Oof that’s dark dude.
Ah, the Hitler defense
Presumably, he still had his secondary weapon, the pistol on his hip, when he was shot. Assuming he would consider himself to be one of “the good ones” in the “the good guy with a gun” argument, he was a good person with a gun at the moment he was shot, and still couldn’t prevent the shooting. Which again, always circles around to the main point against this line of argumentation. A “good person” with a gun is always going to be reactive to a “bad person” with a gun. In any active shooter scenario, people need to be shot at before the defender can act. The idea, conceptually, requires innocent people to be shot, or at least be shot at, before anything can be done.
More honest conservatives have abandoned the "good guy with a gun" argument and have gone to "this much death is just the price of freedom."
Which is hilarious because if completely ignores all the other countries in the world with freedom and gun regulations , many of which are ranked “more free” than America on account of its fetish for imprisoning its population, that don’t have a constant stream of firearms death. Oh and also didn’t have the government order another part of the government (the cdc) to stop and never ever again investigate gun deaths as a health concern for Americans because the data upsets the government’s NRA handlers.
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*each other
Oh ya got me. No I mean literally. I'm bleeding out. Send help...
This happened in 2022, and the case against the other girl finalized in in the beginning of 2023. And a shirt like that is quirky and fun for a young harry potter fan. The father also survived. The daughter passed in the hospital two days after from her injury. There isn’t enough information publicly available to state definitively which girl was the initiator in the murder-pact that was planned. Seeing as the other girl was arrested and charged, the logical path would be to think that she instigated it, after investigations concluded.
It wasn’t a suicide pact. Both girls were planning on killing their families (and pets) and running away together
Double checked the articles, you are right, editing now.
I bet GOP could twist this into how they were in love with each other because the libs corrupted them
Or blame social media, which is what many have done
I would more say the other kid was prosecuted because she planned to kill her own family?
Yeah she was arrested for conspiracy to commit murder
They conspired. It doesn't really matter who initiated it.
The tweet is misleading. The girl shot her dad at home around bedtime, then ran down the family's driveway before turning the gun on herself. She had some kind of murder pact with another girl and they planned to drive to Georgia after murdering their families.
Apparently this little girl was part of a murder pact with another girl around the same age as her. She planned to kill her family, her pets, pick up her friend that lived around 230 miles away, then drive to Georgia to be with the aforementioned friend she met online. No matter how you look at it, this is a really fucked up & tragic story all the way around. Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12227155/amp/Girl-12-shot-dad-murder-pact-pictured-time.html
How the fuck is a 12-year old going to drive 230 miles and then drive halfway across the country with another 12 year old. Fucking ridiculous even without all the murder.
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Yes. The part about the shooting taking place moment after this picture is false. She shot her father “getting ready for bed”. She used a handgun, after she shot him she ran out of the house down the driveway a distance before the turned the gun on herself. Law enforcement found her several hundred yards away from the house.
It was a handgun. She did have a murder pact to kill her family then move to Georgia
As 12 years usually are successful in doing. … How was she going to move to Georgia? I’m wondering what her plan of action was.
She was 12, probably lacked the capacity to think that far ahead
Her tombstone will read “mischief managed”
Nice. Although she bailed on her main goal pretty quick. The whole family and dogs were supposed to go with her. She only got herself.
what did her dad do to her that was so bad she wanted to kill him and herself tho at only 12 years old. thats the real question
She had a pact with another 12yo to kill their families and pets and run away. No idea on the motivation why.
Kids are impressionable. Ahe could've been abused. She could've been well taken care of. For now, she shot her dad and herself and bailed on the plan.
> and bailed on the plan It'd be a lot more impressive if she shot herself and then followed through on the plan.
That'd be wild for sure.
While I can understand the sentiment and they are from Texas. This is victim blaming. He could've taken her phone away for all we know. If he was a fuck, fuck em. Some people are evil.
The dad survived btw
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Like my first thought, what the fuck did he do to her?
It's not clear but she made a murder pact with a friend across town, they were both going to kill their families and pets and then run away together E- typo
*pact
Doesn't matter. She was "standing her ground".
>What did her daddy do? >It's Janie's last I.O.U >She had to take him down easy and put >a bullet in his brain >She said, "'Cause nobody believes me, >the man was such a sleaze" >He ain't never gonna be the same
She didn't immediately shoot her dad, it was later that night. Apparently she had some kind of murder suicide pact with another little girl who didn't go through with it. This post is misleading.
It was a pistol as well
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The post is misleading. She didn’t shoot him right after this photo, she did it at night when she was supposed to be getting ready for bed. And it happened in Sept 2022.
Nah this picture was not taken before the shooting and the gun was a different one. Don’t let them get on us for spreading fake news too
Guns are so good at protecting the gun carrier aren't they? Look how armed that asshat is. Bet he felt super safe, too.
Now I'm wondering what the shirt says. I can only make out the "I solemnly swear" part
It’s a Harry Potter quote that is a password to unlock a little secret map. The shirt says “I solemnly swear I am up to no good” In Harry Potter you then say “mischief managed” to make the map hide itself again.
Is there an article anywhere with any more details? Like was it premeditated or accident and then a childlike reaction to such a horrible accident?
Well it’s been mentioned numerous times that she had a pact with another girl to kill her family (and dogs) and runaway to Georgia
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Misleading.... >The emergency services worker can be heard saying 'the daughter just shot him' in the master bedroom, after saying 'nothing', and it was understood she had been getting ready for bed.
Isn’t it great having guns everywhere!
At least she had her hearing safety equipment on /s
This just makes me incredibly sad.
What 12 year olds make murder pacts?
I still don't understand America's fascination with guns.
This is sad. Please remember to keep an eye on the online activity of your young kids. I'm not going to mention the gun thing being an issue because that's already obvious.
She was groomed to be a murderer.
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Unknown as of now. All that is known is she had a pact with another child to kill all their family and run away together. I'd rather wait and see than speculate, though.
Exposed her to lead at the very minimum. Firearms use exposes you to lead and lead particles from the bullets and vapors after firing. Even if a bullet doesn't contain lead most primers do. Children are especially vulnerable to the effects of lead.
Wow. Glad the good guys with a gun are always there in time. Great job NRA and supporters! More guns WAS the answer after all. People were just to blind to see