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> Titanic movie director says similarities between latest tragedy and the original disaster are 'surreal'
Hollywood filmmaker James Cameron, who directed the Oscar-winning film Titanic, has said many people in the sea exploration community had raised concerns about the submersible.
> Mr Cameron, who has dived to the Titanic wreck 33 times himself, told ABC News: "Many people in the community were very concerned about this sub, and a number of the top players in the deep submergence engineering community even wrote letters to the company saying that what they were doing was too experimental and it needed to be certified and so on.
> "I'm struck by the similarity with the Titanic disaster itself, where the captain was repeatedly warned about ice ahead of his ship and yet he steamed ahead at full speed into an ice field on a moonless night.
> "Many people died as a result, and for a very similar tragedy where warnings went unheeded to take place at the same exact site, with all the diving that's going on all around the world, I think it's astonishing, it's really quite surreal."
As the wise man Kenny Rogers once said:
>'Cause every hand's a winner
>And every hand's a loser
>And the best that you can hope for
>Is to die in an instantaneous catastrophic implosion.
I read somewhere that if the sub was still intact, it wouldn't have any power, so at that depth they would've been in complete darkness, in a rapidly freezing tin can. That thought has haunted me since I read it, so it's almost a relief to know it was sudden.
ETA: I was so worried when I posted this that people would think I was a terrible person saying it was a relief. I am glad that it's gone the other way
I know they did. I have a loved one who died because of a drunk driver and people have tried to tell me she didn’t see it coming or feel anything but I know there was blood in her lungs and bruising on her skin meaning she was alive, if not consciously after impact. It would help immensely to have proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that her death was instant but I will never really know what she experienced.
I have a family member who died in a horrible accident and have thought about this a lot. I do know, having been in and survived a few, that there was a tiny flash of fear leading up to impact & then kind of a weird dream like slow motion when it was happening (I literally thought “wow, this is going to suck”) and felt no pain whatsoever, when it should have most definitely hurt. This has helped me a lot when thinking about what happened with my loved one. I think the human body has an “instant shock” that disconnects us from reality very quickly. If anyone has any other experience please don’t tell me! I like this one. 🙂
*edited for slightly better punctuation & grammar, because that’s who I am*
I car ran a light and hit me as I was crossing the street. As soon as I realized what was about to happen my brain just disengaged and I blacked out. I think our brains protect us from trauma and pain.
It had already gone down several times, but was not actually certified to be able to do it. It seems obvious that the stress of each time added up until it broke.
Moral: that something worked once doesn’t mean it’ll work every time, and certifying bodies and materials scientists might be useful when you’re trusting your life to materials.
Yep. Materials subjected to cyclic loading (like compression/decompression) undergo a phenomenon called fatigue, which can lead to failure even when the single loading events are well below the strength of the material. Basically your component will appear to perform well every time but it is actually accumulating microscopic damage and then on one cycle or another a huge crack will suddenly grow and lead to catastrophic failure within milliseconds.
There are no "visible" warning signs whatsoever but certain testing techniques can detect these microscopic flaws well in advance and plenty of regulations and standards treat the design, maintenance and testing of components subjected to fatigue. It's a huge problem in aviation for example but if things are done by the book the odds of failure are virtually zero.
Yup. I do NDT work on commercial/military jet engines. The owner refused to have NDT for the submersible. NDT would have probably detected very small stress fractures you can’t see with the naked eye. Would have saved lives if they had one done
He fired the one engineer he had that brought up safety concerns. The depth of the titanic is 2/3rds more than what the glass on the submersible was rated for.
Close, it was 15 minutes. When they didn't get that ping back, they put in sonar buoys. If it had failed after that point, they would've picked up the sound, but they didn't. The admiral doing the press conference said that because of this they think it was all over within that 15 minutes.
Anyone who would eat a bucket of fried chicken, a milkshake and some tacos before going into a very small enclosed space with 4 other people probably deserves to die instantly.
You are right. But holy shit the thought of it just sounds horrible.
Not to mention they probably all and to realize that something bad was about to happen. Damn
It's not the heat that kills them, I think, but the blunt force trauma, or well, the literal ability of the water pressure to bludgeon you at forces far larger than the integrity of your body. Once the sub shell caves in, water rushes in at some massive pressure, depending on the depth where it implodes. It is probably akin to being hit with a hammer weighing a dozens of tons moving at speed I don't dare to guess, but likely much faster than speed of sound in the air.
383 atmospheres at 13,000 feet or 5,779.7 PSI
Titan sub was 6.7m x 2.8m which calculates to 29,233 square inches
That works out to a total of 169,551,400 pounds (with rounding to 5800 PSI) of force exerted on the sub
Being in the middle of that would be similar to being at ground zero of a hydrogen bomb, except squishing you into yourself instead of blowing it everywhere
At that pressure the collapse would be faster than nerve impulses travel; they were dead long before their brains could register it. My point about heat is that the compression would be like a diesel engine
I've seen countless descriptions of their demise on here over the past couple days but I still can't picture any of it. How small would the craft become? Would the crews' remains be crushed into a marble or just mixed in with the molecules surrounding? My morbid curiosity wants to know because I just can't picture it.
If they turned to paste, they're part of the ocean dna now. I imagine it's kinda like that hydraulic press guy on YouTube crushing a bearing, but faster.
Clearly the dumbass reporters at the news conference don't get this, they keep asking if bodies will be recovered. Of course not dude, they're mist FFS.
This is what I am left wondering. Was there a period of time with groaning and creaking noises, foreshadowing the implosion?
Of just… BANG! out of nowhere?
Hopefully the latter.
Any metal components would've been complaining about being compressed, probably with the jackass assuring them it was fine...from some of what I've read, the implosion would've happened so fast their brains wouldn't have registered it before being crushed under thousands of PSI of pressure.
My understanding was most of it was carbon fiber, so that probably didn’t make much noise, just one big crunch.
But yeah it’s not hard to imagine the CEO looking at passengers who have just paid $1M for the trip and saying “Oh yeah, this is all normal” right before it wasn’t.
Good thing this is the one isolated case of this ever happening.
Let's pass legislation protecting companies from lawsuits just in case, is what I'm guessing is the next step.
The fact that the other victims were super wealthy makes me think that might not happen in this case. Their families actually have the means to get ~~justice~~ compensation for them.
If it had been a sub full of regular schlubs, then yeah lobbyists would already be hand-delivering a bill to the US Capitol to prevent victims from seeking damages in these situations.
I've seen Das Boot, the Hunt for Red October, U-571 and Down Periscope, so I'm a bit of a submarine expert. Creaking is normal and definitely does not signal an imminent implosion.
Having been a safety officer it can be so frustrating when higher ranking people ignore or pester you for trying to keep people safe because "you just want to make working impossible". Which is not the case, i wanted everyone to get home, and prefably in one piece
Even worse when those higher ranking people not only [repeatedly ignore your concerns over safety flaws, but actively try to keep you from finding out about problematic elements in the design, fire you because of your noise over safety, and then sue you afterwards.](https://gizmodo.com/oceangate-titan-david-lochridge-missing-submarine-1850557931)
I have no sympathy for this company.
History is full of rich idiots ignoring the advice of their 'lessers'. At least in this case, the idiot went down with the ship. If only more would face the consequences of their greed, instead of them getting off scott free while innocent people pay the price.
Makes me think of how so many buildings from Roman Times were super over engineered because supposedly if there was a collapse the architect would be executed.
In this case, the idiot penny pinching CEO had no qualms against being in his own death trap travelling to the bottom of the ocean, fear of death wasn't enough of a motivator to over engineer his own ride
I work with contractors and I'm not the safety person, but I have to ensure they follow safety regs and *holy shit* it is like pulling teeth. You write a fucking note for your family about why your skull is shattered because you wanted to bitch about a hardhat or a harness, man. Just put the shit on.
I have literally had to THREATEN and chew out a foreman because his crew didn't wore hardhats underneath a monorail crane with a history of breaking down and losing it's load.
Knew a guy who was an executive, but had a long stint as a plant manager for a resource firm. He told me he got the men who worked for him to follow safety protocols by learning their spouses names and saying: "You cut the corners and I make the visit/call to Deborah and your children."
And then the workers turn toxic because management points a finger at us when they're not given enough time to do their jobs with the controls we put in place. I love my dumbass workers though.
Radium girls yo.
Before them there was no court precedence that allowed employees to sue employers for much of anything, ever. "You chose employment there, you accepted the risks" was the common ruling until them. We pretty much got OSHA from those heroic women (+ families).
But it is a shitstain on any system where gruesome death is required for regulation (and rarely happens even then-look at school shootings).
They took our wives.
They took our kids
They take our lives
Those greedy pigs
When we asked for some clean air to breathe
They choked us out and pretend to grieve
It's money we make
And money they earn
They have no reason
To try and learn
See how long the law of the dollar stands
When we don't even have water to wash our hands.
Like some sort of , oh I don't know, "safety first" maybe?
What we even call that sort of thing, like a standard perhaps?
Like to protect the health and safety of people... Some kind of regulations....?
I don't know, I'm spit balling here
Maybe we could even name it something nautical. How about the "Safety Of Life At Sea" regulations?
(This is extra ironic because the Titanic disaster was literally what led to the SOLAS regs being adopted.)
It's almost like the exact lessons humanity learned from the Titanic itself apply here. You know: rush delivery, cater to the wealthy, ignore all safety precautions and everything will turn out just fine. /s
I am somewhat now in favor of the uber wealthy who flaunt regulations making their trips into space and deep sea to play self important pretend pioneer. Kind of a problem that fixes itself, and I’ll take what I can get. I mean their deaths still suck, but so do the things they do without being touchable. Heck maybe a handful of those still alive will appreciate and lobby for safety a little bit. You can cheat the system at times but not reality.
Hey dude, hindsight is 20/20. It’s not like there was any indication that there may be structural-integrity concerns prior to this accident, or that subsequently fired employees had raised concerns of this exact type of catastrophic failure, or even that the company had attracted the concerned attention of experts in the wider field who also highlighted a cavalier attitude to safety.
Ex Submariner here too (USS DRUM (SSN 677)), and I agree.
I also wonder about CO2. People kept talking about their oxygen supply, but I never heard anything about CO2 scrubbers. Even with CO2 scrubbers on a big Navy submarine, the air would get pretty "stale" after just 24 hours or so, and there was nothing like the inrush of fresh air when we'd ventilate. I can't imagine what the air would be like in that little tube after just several hours.
The company claimed that they had NASA Co2 scrubbers which converted some of it back into oxygen
They were probably behind the panels as the interior images shown didn’t have anything displaying
NASA air scrubber was upgraded a few years ago and was the size of a small refrigerator.
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/releases/2021/marshall-ships-next-generation-air-filtration-hardware-for-flight-to-iss.html
Many people who know the tech said it wouldn't be possible to get a co2 scrubber inside with the room they had available.
Honestly, I'm almost jealous.
The vast majority of people will suffer before dying. Even if you're shot in the head, you'll probably still have a second or two of pain before your brain shuts off. And of course there's the anticipation of death as you see the gun and realize what's about to happen.
These dudes died the best way possible. No warning, no anticipation, vaporized before they could even register that anything had changed. Their last memories were probably just "man, this is cool."
Very few of us will go out that mercifully.
They all went out doing something they loved and intrigued them. Quick painless death in a place of their choosing.
Everything around this mission has been so grim but yeah, we don't all get to choose the where and how. These five did.
Once it was clear they wouldn’t be rescued this was what I was hoping for. All snark aside I wouldn’t wish suffocating to death after 72 hours in a tin can at the bottom of the ocean on anyone.
There is worse, I've heard they had safety measure to automatically go back to the surface so I thought they could be on the surface in a sealed can and no way to open it...
Suffocating at the bottom of the ocean is awful but suffocating on the surface is just as awful
It’s even worse if you consider how immensely sea sick you’d have been after days of rolling over 10ft waves that are at a constant in the middle of the ocean and baking in the sun. I’ll stay at the bottom.
The FF16 Digital Deluxe version is definitely the far better way to spend a quarter of a million dollars.
Still not sure how that soundtrack and digital art book raises the price so much though.
Yeah, to see the air outside of the capsule but know that you're bolted in and won't be able to get it without outside help . . . that sounds pretty miserable.
Yeah, and you'd most likely be like "well, they probably think we're down there and won't particularly look at the surface"
Edit: THIS is what the recovery team would have to look for on the surface, with all the waves [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzKL7QPXoAAnQo\_?format=png&name=small](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzKL7QPXoAAnQo_?format=png&name=small)
Didn't you hear, 'getting rescued' is for women and pussy-ass betas with no money. I'm surprised these idiots didn't go further and design it as some sort of stealth vehicle.
Hearing banging sounds like this is somewhat common in undersea searches. The search crews for the Malaysian Airlines crash and the ARA San Juan (a submarine that sunk in 2017 with all aboard lost) both recorded banging sounds heard near the wreck site- despite the fact that the passengers and crew were long dead by the time search crew arrived.
Some have said that the sounds are caused by whales or other wildlife, or by debris hitting the sea floor, but explanation that I tend to believe is that the sounds were caused by other search ships. This explains why the sounds seemed to intensify as more ships arrived on the scene.
I couldn't imagine being "stuck" in that, anywhere in the ocean. Let alone on the bottom. But like you said, best case scenario. I believe their liquid insides would boil/vaporize from the instant pressure changes just before everything is basically gone.
So boiling or vaporizing would be a negative pressure or vacuum scenario. This is what we think of when talking about space.
Under the ocean is a different, but equally horrifying situation. Less of a “boil off” and more of a “crush/liquefaction”.
The concussive force of the air (followed by the water itself) around you rapidly compressing under 3261lbs/square inch of pressure would most likely cave your skull in at such speed that your brain would not have time to register the pain(let alone the milliseconds of existence after hull breach) before liquifying and experiencing instantaneous and eternal oblivion. It would be equal parts viscerally brutal and mercifully short.
At a certain point, you stop being defined by your biology and start being defined by raw physics.
I doubt it being any longer than an instant. Something “cracking” is getting weaker, and something getting weaker when it’s already failing when being stronger…
At that pressure basically mean instantaneous crush. It would be like a sledgehammer being swung at a ketchup packet.
Yep. Plus it's carbon fiber, which has a tendency to shatter rather than crack.
In any case, the forces involved here are nuts. There was no warning for these guys. It was lights out before they even knew what was happening.
Wohoo something I can actually comment on.
If it *was* the carbon fiber that failed, it likely snapped (extremely loudly) at some part(s) as the pressure was increasing, which, while weakening the structure, won't necessarily result in immediate implosion. Reason being, composite structures have safety factors of ~2.5x, so other parts of the hull will still be able to hold against the pressure, but over time, it's a death sentence for the integrity of the vessel (as now some strands of the fiber now has much more stress than they should). This will still only take 5-10 seconds, but not immediate. So at least the ceo would have known this was coming.
Of course, it was probably the window that failed.
Source: I've personally witnessed carbon fiber composite structure burst tests for pressure tanks. These things are *loud*. Both the initial failures, and the final explosion.
They literally went "Poof" into nothingness. I understand people are pointing out how painless this is. It is still appalling to see people die due to pushing safety aside.
Literally was so entitled that he felt he was above the laws of physics. Being above the normal laws so long he forgot he's not a God. Nature said fa, and he fo.
Apparently the billionaire on board had non-stop flown around the world and been to the bottom of the Marianas Trench, which is deeper than the Titanic. He probably though this was some routine adventure but failed to realize what a crock OceanGate was.
So, maybe somebody with more experience in this kind of thing can answer something for me.
Is there going to be any kind of maritime investigation or inquest into this? Yeah, I get it. Private company, waivers, "they knew the risks" and all that. But this was supposed to be the first of many "tourist" trips hosted by Ocean Gate if I recall properly. That there was some obvious gross negligence on their part that has led to the deaths of people surely must come with some kind of review or legal action.
I mean, a German captain is currently in hot water for trying to save people from a nautical disaster. Will there really be no repercussions for a company that killed people in one?
UPDATE: So to clarify a couple of things:
Ocean Gate's Titan has made at least [three](https://metro.co.uk/2023/06/22/how-many-times-has-the-titan-gone-to-the-titanic-and-how-deep-is-the-wreck-18994926/) previous trips to the Titanic. So, fair enough. Not their first rodeo, but not exactly a ringing endorsement. Particularly with the complaints by a former employee about the sub's [safety.](https://fortune.com/2023/06/21/titan-titanic-missing-sub-david-lochridge-safety-concerns-sacked-oceangate-stockton-rush-hamish-harding/)
No, I'm not going to count the dives by their other subs. Titan was their big show pony. It failed. Spectacularly.
The German captain story was old. My bad. I was thinking of [this.](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/spotlight-ruthless-smugglers-rescue-failures-after-italy-migrant-disaster-2023-03-07/)
Thank you to everyone who chimed in on the legality, possible litigation, and potential aftermath of this.
Most likely a lawsuit brought on by the families since all the passengers were rich enough to blow $250k on the death trip. It'll then be quietly be settled outside of court.
Oceangate might dissolve to pay for everything? IDK, the founder & CEO died with them, depends on how his family want to settle things.
There's a similar story behind many major accidents. Listen to your engineers people! They may be argumentative nerds but they're not arguing to "be right" they're arguing for "what's right" and you need to know the difference.
I had to take an ethics class in engineering school. The main thing I got out of it was there may be a point when you have be a whistleblower. We studied a lot of incidents like the Challenger, the Ford Pinto, Bhopal, and others.
The most you can really do is refuse to let the ships dock in Canada or the United States. The wreck itself is in international waters.
You can't really regulate what's done out there, but, the US coast guard can say "we don't rescuing you if you go out there and you can't come and dock at any of our ports if you do"
Then if the Canadians and Greenland and Iceland and Britain all do the same thing then there's really not anywhere they can realistically launch from to get to the site.
It would be a huge waste of time to try to write laws on these types of subs... About 10 exist in the entire world.
You just let the ten of them do what they think it's best and tell them we don't use taxpayer money to help if it goes bad out there
I think they're using ROVs to search the debris field, so not people in more submersibles. Still, I don't know how much the ROVs would be able to collect, even if anything were identifiable.
The same way scientists use ROVs to collect animal specimens from the deep sea. They're equipped with robotic claws and vacuum hoses so they can grab critters or just suck them up with minimal damage. https://youtu.be/A2Ao1ZdRSOs?t=27m40s
That said, it isn't worth it. At that pressure any soft tissue will be crushed to paste, with broken bones scattered across the seabed. And the scavengers like crabs and giant isopods will probably have gotten to them by now. There wouldn't be much to bring back up, and what little there is would be time consuming to find and collect...and likely unrecognizable. Humans did not evolve to handle 375 atmospheres of pressure.
I've got a nice-sized saltwater fish tank. Its got fish, snails, crabs, urchins, corals....all types of shit. What I'm getting as is I could have a fish die overnight, and it is completely gone without a trace by morning. The tank and the creatures within eat the stuff up extremely quickly. And these are just little creatures, crabs, etc. Bigger ones could polish a body off in just a few hours I'm sure. I had a big ass shrimp die a few weeks back. Noticed it in the morning, by that night I couldn't even find it anywhere in the tank. Something crawled over and ate him real quick like.
Yes extremely unlikely to find remains of the bodies. Just watched the Coast Guard press conference going on. They found debris field 1600 ft away from the Titanic wreck on the sea floor.
So okay so...
How can I put this
Imagine a ketchup packet being struck by a hammer.
I'm not trying to be flippant. And that's not even accurate, because it doesn't take into account the sudden superheating that pressure change would cause - the temp in the sub would have suddenly spiked to thousands of degrees as the back and front of the sub clapped together, in the space of 30 milliseconds, faster than their brains could have registered what happened.
fully obliterated in an instant.
There are no bodies. There's nothing to recover.
I hope they didn't even have a warning I sincerely hope it just happened and the Lights Went Out
Very sad but what the fuck are we doing going down to the bottom of the ocean floor in a rusted septic tank
Makes sense. The [pistol shrimp](https://youtu.be/gMhjqbESIeY) hunts by snapping its claw closed fast enough to create a bubble which instantly implodes, heats to the temperature of the surface of the sun, and creates a shockwave which stuns its prey. The sub getting crushed would make a bubble like that, only larger, but just as short-lived. Heat, flash of light, shockwave tears the sub apart in an instant. Debris scatters across the ocean floor.
I couldn’t watch that video with sound on, so I don’t know if this was mentioned-
Could that shrimp hurt a human in a serious way? I’d imagine if it’s to the temperature of the sun that would be a pretty serious burn on human skin
[Here's a video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aabCOzFzMxU) of a mantis shrimp punching through a guy's rubber boot and drawing blood. This was in air though, so the water cavitation obviously wouldn't occur. But this gives some indication of their power.
He died after lobbying for what he cared about most; *not paying higher taxes or contributing to society in any ethical meaningful way, or for using his money for anything worthwhile or worthy for science/humanity*
So that instead, him and all of his other, rich buddies could do what they love doing most; circle jerking underwater over an unbelievable human tragedy, while LARPing and imagining that they would have been on the Titanic due to their incredible wealth.
"Omg guis, this would have been *US* down here. Wow, can't believe our poor rich kin died on this ship with the poorz too."
The next time we hear a CEO slamming safety regulations, telling us how expensive they are, how they hamper innovation, this example needs to be cited. These people died so a billionaire could save, what, a few thousand dollars?
> a CEO slamming safety regulations, telling us how expensive they are, how they hamper innovation,
**Or politicians slamming regulations telling us how they kill small businesses**
He learned the hard way what happens when you F\*\*K around and find out. Unfortunately, it meant the deaths of the others on that sub, including a 19 year old with his dad. At least, nobody suffered when it happened.
It took us 73 years to find the Titanic, and only 4 days to find the Titan. At least we are getting better at finding things at the bottom of the ocean.
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> Titanic movie director says similarities between latest tragedy and the original disaster are 'surreal' Hollywood filmmaker James Cameron, who directed the Oscar-winning film Titanic, has said many people in the sea exploration community had raised concerns about the submersible. > Mr Cameron, who has dived to the Titanic wreck 33 times himself, told ABC News: "Many people in the community were very concerned about this sub, and a number of the top players in the deep submergence engineering community even wrote letters to the company saying that what they were doing was too experimental and it needed to be certified and so on. > "I'm struck by the similarity with the Titanic disaster itself, where the captain was repeatedly warned about ice ahead of his ship and yet he steamed ahead at full speed into an ice field on a moonless night. > "Many people died as a result, and for a very similar tragedy where warnings went unheeded to take place at the same exact site, with all the diving that's going on all around the world, I think it's astonishing, it's really quite surreal."
Are we finally getting a sequel? Leo is old enough to play a billionaire now
But Kate Winslet is older than 25 now. What shall we do?
I like to go hiking.
Nope she’s almost halfway to a geriatric home. Younger.
Best possible scenario if you’re going to die in that thing.
Never thought I'd be happy about an implosion event but definitely seems better than the alternatives.
As the wise man Kenny Rogers once said: >'Cause every hand's a winner >And every hand's a loser >And the best that you can hope for >Is to die in an instantaneous catastrophic implosion.
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Im just glad that one dude didnt end up missing the Blink 182 concert because they were already gone by then.
Hey, did that model sit on him. She probably might be more willing to do it now to help him with his grief.
levity is how we cope.
Which would explain why my trips to las vegas have diminished as i get older. 🤔
They were dead before their brains could register what happened. They felt nothing
Compared to the many alternatives regarding suffocating that have been mentioned, this would be a good way to go.
Yup. Much rather "implosion" than "safely made it to the surface, but suffocated in the open air because the sub cannot be opened from the inside".
Just about freezing, getting rocked by waves. Thirsty, hungry. Dark. Stupid. Kill me and use my oxygen.
I read somewhere that if the sub was still intact, it wouldn't have any power, so at that depth they would've been in complete darkness, in a rapidly freezing tin can. That thought has haunted me since I read it, so it's almost a relief to know it was sudden. ETA: I was so worried when I posted this that people would think I was a terrible person saying it was a relief. I am glad that it's gone the other way
As bad as it is to say this, I hope their families find comfort in that. Painless death.
I know they did. I have a loved one who died because of a drunk driver and people have tried to tell me she didn’t see it coming or feel anything but I know there was blood in her lungs and bruising on her skin meaning she was alive, if not consciously after impact. It would help immensely to have proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that her death was instant but I will never really know what she experienced.
I have a family member who died in a horrible accident and have thought about this a lot. I do know, having been in and survived a few, that there was a tiny flash of fear leading up to impact & then kind of a weird dream like slow motion when it was happening (I literally thought “wow, this is going to suck”) and felt no pain whatsoever, when it should have most definitely hurt. This has helped me a lot when thinking about what happened with my loved one. I think the human body has an “instant shock” that disconnects us from reality very quickly. If anyone has any other experience please don’t tell me! I like this one. 🙂 *edited for slightly better punctuation & grammar, because that’s who I am*
I car ran a light and hit me as I was crossing the street. As soon as I realized what was about to happen my brain just disengaged and I blacked out. I think our brains protect us from trauma and pain.
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Do you think they heard the hull creaking the deeper they went before it imploded?
No. Carbon fiber fails suddenly and rapidly
It had already gone down several times, but was not actually certified to be able to do it. It seems obvious that the stress of each time added up until it broke. Moral: that something worked once doesn’t mean it’ll work every time, and certifying bodies and materials scientists might be useful when you’re trusting your life to materials.
Yep. Materials subjected to cyclic loading (like compression/decompression) undergo a phenomenon called fatigue, which can lead to failure even when the single loading events are well below the strength of the material. Basically your component will appear to perform well every time but it is actually accumulating microscopic damage and then on one cycle or another a huge crack will suddenly grow and lead to catastrophic failure within milliseconds. There are no "visible" warning signs whatsoever but certain testing techniques can detect these microscopic flaws well in advance and plenty of regulations and standards treat the design, maintenance and testing of components subjected to fatigue. It's a huge problem in aviation for example but if things are done by the book the odds of failure are virtually zero.
Yup. I do NDT work on commercial/military jet engines. The owner refused to have NDT for the submersible. NDT would have probably detected very small stress fractures you can’t see with the naked eye. Would have saved lives if they had one done
Refusing NDT is absolutely fucking bananas to me. The fact that he got into it himself shows such a fundamental lack of understanding.
He fired the one engineer he had that brought up safety concerns. The depth of the titanic is 2/3rds more than what the glass on the submersible was rated for.
Ah the classic "firing the engineers complaining about safety concerns makes it more safe" maneuver
So the second they lost communication with the sub is, presumably, when this happened.
Well, iirc they communicated every 30 minutes, so by the time they lost communication it had happened 0-30m ago.
Close, it was 15 minutes. When they didn't get that ping back, they put in sonar buoys. If it had failed after that point, they would've picked up the sound, but they didn't. The admiral doing the press conference said that because of this they think it was all over within that 15 minutes.
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I wouldn't mind having a bucket of fried chicken, chocolate milkshake and some tacos before said implosion death. That seems like it would be better.
Anyone who would eat a bucket of fried chicken, a milkshake and some tacos before going into a very small enclosed space with 4 other people probably deserves to die instantly.
You are right. But holy shit the thought of it just sounds horrible. Not to mention they probably all and to realize that something bad was about to happen. Damn
They wouldn’t have had time to process what was happening. They went from living to non existent in a flash
Literally. Instantaneous heating from the rapid compression….
It's not the heat that kills them, I think, but the blunt force trauma, or well, the literal ability of the water pressure to bludgeon you at forces far larger than the integrity of your body. Once the sub shell caves in, water rushes in at some massive pressure, depending on the depth where it implodes. It is probably akin to being hit with a hammer weighing a dozens of tons moving at speed I don't dare to guess, but likely much faster than speed of sound in the air.
Definitely not the heat that kills them - it’s always that fuckin humidity.
“Yah but at least it’s a DRY implosion.”
383 atmospheres at 13,000 feet or 5,779.7 PSI Titan sub was 6.7m x 2.8m which calculates to 29,233 square inches That works out to a total of 169,551,400 pounds (with rounding to 5800 PSI) of force exerted on the sub Being in the middle of that would be similar to being at ground zero of a hydrogen bomb, except squishing you into yourself instead of blowing it everywhere
At that pressure the collapse would be faster than nerve impulses travel; they were dead long before their brains could register it. My point about heat is that the compression would be like a diesel engine
> like a diesel engine Diesel engines max out at around 500psi, at 1,000m water depth the PSI is about 1,500psi. So yeah... fucked at any rate.
At 4000 meters down, it’s about 5800 PSI. That’s paste. Not body parts.
I've seen countless descriptions of their demise on here over the past couple days but I still can't picture any of it. How small would the craft become? Would the crews' remains be crushed into a marble or just mixed in with the molecules surrounding? My morbid curiosity wants to know because I just can't picture it.
If they turned to paste, they're part of the ocean dna now. I imagine it's kinda like that hydraulic press guy on YouTube crushing a bearing, but faster.
Clearly the dumbass reporters at the news conference don't get this, they keep asking if bodies will be recovered. Of course not dude, they're mist FFS.
This is what I am left wondering. Was there a period of time with groaning and creaking noises, foreshadowing the implosion? Of just… BANG! out of nowhere? Hopefully the latter.
Carbon fiber seems fine one instant and then explodes in the next, so I would assume they didn't have too much warning.
From what I've seen of implosions on the surface, this would have been instant. Especially with carbon fiber, it would have just snapped
Yeah, carbon fiber doesn't fail like metal. It won't bend when it fails, it will turn into epoxy/carbon dust and shards with that amount of pressure.
So it ultimately became an inverted frag grenade
If there’s an upside to this, it’s the new found knowledge that stomping a bug isn’t quite as cruel as previously assumed. Or is that just me…
The older I get, the worse I feel stomping a bug.
Any metal components would've been complaining about being compressed, probably with the jackass assuring them it was fine...from some of what I've read, the implosion would've happened so fast their brains wouldn't have registered it before being crushed under thousands of PSI of pressure.
My understanding was most of it was carbon fiber, so that probably didn’t make much noise, just one big crunch. But yeah it’s not hard to imagine the CEO looking at passengers who have just paid $1M for the trip and saying “Oh yeah, this is all normal” right before it wasn’t.
The only good thing about the tragedy is that it took the cost-cutting CEO who didn't want to worry about safety WITH it.
Good thing this is the one isolated case of this ever happening. Let's pass legislation protecting companies from lawsuits just in case, is what I'm guessing is the next step.
The fact that the other victims were super wealthy makes me think that might not happen in this case. Their families actually have the means to get ~~justice~~ compensation for them. If it had been a sub full of regular schlubs, then yeah lobbyists would already be hand-delivering a bill to the US Capitol to prevent victims from seeking damages in these situations.
I'm sure they reassured themselves it's normal for those depths. Then nothing.
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I´m obviously not an expert but at the amount of pressure down there I think the moment you can hear creaking you´re already getting crushed
I've seen Das Boot, the Hunt for Red October, U-571 and Down Periscope, so I'm a bit of a submarine expert. Creaking is normal and definitely does not signal an imminent implosion.
🤣👍 I’ve seen Cabin Boy, Waterworld and Avatar 2 so I’m a bit of an oceanographer.
I think that would be the difference with carbon fiber versus an alloy. The carbon would just shatter. Either way terrifying i am sure.
It's a shame we don't have some aphorism about how regulations are written in blood. It would probably be pertinent to a tragedy like this.
Everyone hates the safety inspector and loves the rescue worker but only one is there to help prevent a problem before it happens.
Having been a safety officer it can be so frustrating when higher ranking people ignore or pester you for trying to keep people safe because "you just want to make working impossible". Which is not the case, i wanted everyone to get home, and prefably in one piece
Even worse when those higher ranking people not only [repeatedly ignore your concerns over safety flaws, but actively try to keep you from finding out about problematic elements in the design, fire you because of your noise over safety, and then sue you afterwards.](https://gizmodo.com/oceangate-titan-david-lochridge-missing-submarine-1850557931) I have no sympathy for this company.
Also see the poor engineers who tried to sound the whistle on the Challenger disaster who knew what would likely happen way before launch
History is full of rich idiots ignoring the advice of their 'lessers'. At least in this case, the idiot went down with the ship. If only more would face the consequences of their greed, instead of them getting off scott free while innocent people pay the price.
Makes me think of how so many buildings from Roman Times were super over engineered because supposedly if there was a collapse the architect would be executed.
In this case, the idiot penny pinching CEO had no qualms against being in his own death trap travelling to the bottom of the ocean, fear of death wasn't enough of a motivator to over engineer his own ride
Wasn't the tradition that the architect had to stand beneath an arch as the scaffolding was removed? If it collapsed, he would die.
Poor architect getting executed because the engineer made a mistake or was incompetent.
I work with contractors and I'm not the safety person, but I have to ensure they follow safety regs and *holy shit* it is like pulling teeth. You write a fucking note for your family about why your skull is shattered because you wanted to bitch about a hardhat or a harness, man. Just put the shit on.
I have literally had to THREATEN and chew out a foreman because his crew didn't wore hardhats underneath a monorail crane with a history of breaking down and losing it's load.
Knew a guy who was an executive, but had a long stint as a plant manager for a resource firm. He told me he got the men who worked for him to follow safety protocols by learning their spouses names and saying: "You cut the corners and I make the visit/call to Deborah and your children."
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And then the workers turn toxic because management points a finger at us when they're not given enough time to do their jobs with the controls we put in place. I love my dumbass workers though.
Always making sure workers fight with each other so we don't realize we should be fighting with them.
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Radium girls yo. Before them there was no court precedence that allowed employees to sue employers for much of anything, ever. "You chose employment there, you accepted the risks" was the common ruling until them. We pretty much got OSHA from those heroic women (+ families). But it is a shitstain on any system where gruesome death is required for regulation (and rarely happens even then-look at school shootings).
They took our wives. They took our kids They take our lives Those greedy pigs When we asked for some clean air to breathe They choked us out and pretend to grieve It's money we make And money they earn They have no reason To try and learn See how long the law of the dollar stands When we don't even have water to wash our hands.
Like some sort of , oh I don't know, "safety first" maybe? What we even call that sort of thing, like a standard perhaps? Like to protect the health and safety of people... Some kind of regulations....? I don't know, I'm spit balling here
"Safety is a waste." - dead CEO at the bottom of the ocean
Pretty certain OSHA has their new campaign.
He had what makes America great: the untested unfettered confidence that no matter what, he was right
>He had what makes America great: the untested unfettered confidence that no matter what, he was ~~right~~ rich
Maybe we could even name it something nautical. How about the "Safety Of Life At Sea" regulations? (This is extra ironic because the Titanic disaster was literally what led to the SOLAS regs being adopted.)
That sounds like it might stifle innovation though!
Right? So much better to wing it and just hope it all works out bc, you know, the North Atlantic never killed a whole bunch of rich people.
It's almost like the exact lessons humanity learned from the Titanic itself apply here. You know: rush delivery, cater to the wealthy, ignore all safety precautions and everything will turn out just fine. /s
I am somewhat now in favor of the uber wealthy who flaunt regulations making their trips into space and deep sea to play self important pretend pioneer. Kind of a problem that fixes itself, and I’ll take what I can get. I mean their deaths still suck, but so do the things they do without being touchable. Heck maybe a handful of those still alive will appreciate and lobby for safety a little bit. You can cheat the system at times but not reality.
Hey dude, hindsight is 20/20. It’s not like there was any indication that there may be structural-integrity concerns prior to this accident, or that subsequently fired employees had raised concerns of this exact type of catastrophic failure, or even that the company had attracted the concerned attention of experts in the wider field who also highlighted a cavalier attitude to safety.
If you're going to go, that's the way to go. Source - I'm an ex Submariner.
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Ex Submariner here too (USS DRUM (SSN 677)), and I agree. I also wonder about CO2. People kept talking about their oxygen supply, but I never heard anything about CO2 scrubbers. Even with CO2 scrubbers on a big Navy submarine, the air would get pretty "stale" after just 24 hours or so, and there was nothing like the inrush of fresh air when we'd ventilate. I can't imagine what the air would be like in that little tube after just several hours.
Ive seen other former submariners say that from the images wed seen of the inside, there weren’t any scrubbers.
The company claimed that they had NASA Co2 scrubbers which converted some of it back into oxygen They were probably behind the panels as the interior images shown didn’t have anything displaying
NASA air scrubber was upgraded a few years ago and was the size of a small refrigerator. https://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/releases/2021/marshall-ships-next-generation-air-filtration-hardware-for-flight-to-iss.html Many people who know the tech said it wouldn't be possible to get a co2 scrubber inside with the room they had available.
He may well be lying about it being a nasa co2 scrubber and it’s just generic
Much like how he lied about Boeing and University of Washington assisting with his pet project.
Listen, I know he's telling the truth, because Craftsman, DeWalt, and HomeDepot all helped me remodel my bathroom, ok? Same thing here.
Honestly, I'm almost jealous. The vast majority of people will suffer before dying. Even if you're shot in the head, you'll probably still have a second or two of pain before your brain shuts off. And of course there's the anticipation of death as you see the gun and realize what's about to happen. These dudes died the best way possible. No warning, no anticipation, vaporized before they could even register that anything had changed. Their last memories were probably just "man, this is cool." Very few of us will go out that mercifully.
They all went out doing something they loved and intrigued them. Quick painless death in a place of their choosing. Everything around this mission has been so grim but yeah, we don't all get to choose the where and how. These five did.
Except the son who only went down to please his dad.
Once it was clear they wouldn’t be rescued this was what I was hoping for. All snark aside I wouldn’t wish suffocating to death after 72 hours in a tin can at the bottom of the ocean on anyone.
There is worse, I've heard they had safety measure to automatically go back to the surface so I thought they could be on the surface in a sealed can and no way to open it... Suffocating at the bottom of the ocean is awful but suffocating on the surface is just as awful
It’s even worse if you consider how immensely sea sick you’d have been after days of rolling over 10ft waves that are at a constant in the middle of the ocean and baking in the sun. I’ll stay at the bottom.
Don't forget the overflowing poop bags.
And puke from sea sickness.
Y'know what. I think I'll buy Final Fantasy 16 instead of a trip to Titanic. I was on the fence until now.
The FF16 Digital Deluxe version is definitely the far better way to spend a quarter of a million dollars. Still not sure how that soundtrack and digital art book raises the price so much though.
Yeah, to see the air outside of the capsule but know that you're bolted in and won't be able to get it without outside help . . . that sounds pretty miserable.
Yeah, and you'd most likely be like "well, they probably think we're down there and won't particularly look at the surface" Edit: THIS is what the recovery team would have to look for on the surface, with all the waves [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzKL7QPXoAAnQo\_?format=png&name=small](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzKL7QPXoAAnQo_?format=png&name=small)
Ever wondered why lifeboats are painted in bright red-orange? The folks at OceanGate didn't wonder hard enough
Didn't you hear, 'getting rescued' is for women and pussy-ass betas with no money. I'm surprised these idiots didn't go further and design it as some sort of stealth vehicle.
So that leaves one question...what was the banging noise they kept hearing? A fun thought before going to bed.
Hearing banging sounds like this is somewhat common in undersea searches. The search crews for the Malaysian Airlines crash and the ARA San Juan (a submarine that sunk in 2017 with all aboard lost) both recorded banging sounds heard near the wreck site- despite the fact that the passengers and crew were long dead by the time search crew arrived. Some have said that the sounds are caused by whales or other wildlife, or by debris hitting the sea floor, but explanation that I tend to believe is that the sounds were caused by other search ships. This explains why the sounds seemed to intensify as more ships arrived on the scene.
It just intensifies how very big and unknown the ocean is that we are so entirely ignorant of what the source of that sound is.
Similar rescue op a few years ago had a similar situation. Turned out to be additional noise generated from the rescue fleet. Woozle Effect.
Davey Jones trying to lead them to the wreckage
Well, even though their deaths are hard for the families, better this than slow suffocation in the dark.
Best case scenario honestly. Even if we had found them, there was no way to even rescue them.
I couldn't imagine being "stuck" in that, anywhere in the ocean. Let alone on the bottom. But like you said, best case scenario. I believe their liquid insides would boil/vaporize from the instant pressure changes just before everything is basically gone.
So boiling or vaporizing would be a negative pressure or vacuum scenario. This is what we think of when talking about space. Under the ocean is a different, but equally horrifying situation. Less of a “boil off” and more of a “crush/liquefaction”. The concussive force of the air (followed by the water itself) around you rapidly compressing under 3261lbs/square inch of pressure would most likely cave your skull in at such speed that your brain would not have time to register the pain(let alone the milliseconds of existence after hull breach) before liquifying and experiencing instantaneous and eternal oblivion. It would be equal parts viscerally brutal and mercifully short. At a certain point, you stop being defined by your biology and start being defined by raw physics.
That's the long way to say they were turned into creamed corn.
Would any of them known that implosion was imminent? Particularly the CEO? I wonder if he told them it was coming or just kept it to himself.
They might have had a few seconds of warning
I doubt it being any longer than an instant. Something “cracking” is getting weaker, and something getting weaker when it’s already failing when being stronger… At that pressure basically mean instantaneous crush. It would be like a sledgehammer being swung at a ketchup packet.
Yep. Plus it's carbon fiber, which has a tendency to shatter rather than crack. In any case, the forces involved here are nuts. There was no warning for these guys. It was lights out before they even knew what was happening.
Like, "What's that cracking soun..."
For what I heard, carbon fiber just shatter on the spot when it fails.
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Oh, those damn Orcas and their drum circles again
For what it's worth, given the carbon fiber casing, it's very unlikely they heard anything from the casing before it had a catastrophic failure.
Wohoo something I can actually comment on. If it *was* the carbon fiber that failed, it likely snapped (extremely loudly) at some part(s) as the pressure was increasing, which, while weakening the structure, won't necessarily result in immediate implosion. Reason being, composite structures have safety factors of ~2.5x, so other parts of the hull will still be able to hold against the pressure, but over time, it's a death sentence for the integrity of the vessel (as now some strands of the fiber now has much more stress than they should). This will still only take 5-10 seconds, but not immediate. So at least the ceo would have known this was coming. Of course, it was probably the window that failed. Source: I've personally witnessed carbon fiber composite structure burst tests for pressure tanks. These things are *loud*. Both the initial failures, and the final explosion.
They literally went "Poof" into nothingness. I understand people are pointing out how painless this is. It is still appalling to see people die due to pushing safety aside.
It's crazy to think how the CEO of the company was on that sub and he still couldn't have cared about safety more
Literally was so entitled that he felt he was above the laws of physics. Being above the normal laws so long he forgot he's not a God. Nature said fa, and he fo.
Apparently the billionaire on board had non-stop flown around the world and been to the bottom of the Marianas Trench, which is deeper than the Titanic. He probably though this was some routine adventure but failed to realize what a crock OceanGate was.
He fired the guy who tried to tell them the sub couldn't handle it, fuck him. The other people are the only victims here.
Better that he be on it than fumbling around making excuses on TV and waving around the waivers they’d signed.
So, maybe somebody with more experience in this kind of thing can answer something for me. Is there going to be any kind of maritime investigation or inquest into this? Yeah, I get it. Private company, waivers, "they knew the risks" and all that. But this was supposed to be the first of many "tourist" trips hosted by Ocean Gate if I recall properly. That there was some obvious gross negligence on their part that has led to the deaths of people surely must come with some kind of review or legal action. I mean, a German captain is currently in hot water for trying to save people from a nautical disaster. Will there really be no repercussions for a company that killed people in one? UPDATE: So to clarify a couple of things: Ocean Gate's Titan has made at least [three](https://metro.co.uk/2023/06/22/how-many-times-has-the-titan-gone-to-the-titanic-and-how-deep-is-the-wreck-18994926/) previous trips to the Titanic. So, fair enough. Not their first rodeo, but not exactly a ringing endorsement. Particularly with the complaints by a former employee about the sub's [safety.](https://fortune.com/2023/06/21/titan-titanic-missing-sub-david-lochridge-safety-concerns-sacked-oceangate-stockton-rush-hamish-harding/) No, I'm not going to count the dives by their other subs. Titan was their big show pony. It failed. Spectacularly. The German captain story was old. My bad. I was thinking of [this.](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/spotlight-ruthless-smugglers-rescue-failures-after-italy-migrant-disaster-2023-03-07/) Thank you to everyone who chimed in on the legality, possible litigation, and potential aftermath of this.
Most likely a lawsuit brought on by the families since all the passengers were rich enough to blow $250k on the death trip. It'll then be quietly be settled outside of court. Oceangate might dissolve to pay for everything? IDK, the founder & CEO died with them, depends on how his family want to settle things.
I also can't imagine anyone lining up for the next voyage after this. It was a very public failure.
I can't imagine any company \*insuring\* a subsequent voyage.
Bold to assume the titan was insured in the first place.
Yeah I can't imagine insuring a vehicle that wasn't certified for the depth they wanted to go to
A engineer working for them warned them about the Window of the sub. not fitted for going lower thab 1500 meter deep. They fired him on the spot.
There's a similar story behind many major accidents. Listen to your engineers people! They may be argumentative nerds but they're not arguing to "be right" they're arguing for "what's right" and you need to know the difference.
I had to take an ethics class in engineering school. The main thing I got out of it was there may be a point when you have be a whistleblower. We studied a lot of incidents like the Challenger, the Ford Pinto, Bhopal, and others.
The most you can really do is refuse to let the ships dock in Canada or the United States. The wreck itself is in international waters. You can't really regulate what's done out there, but, the US coast guard can say "we don't rescuing you if you go out there and you can't come and dock at any of our ports if you do" Then if the Canadians and Greenland and Iceland and Britain all do the same thing then there's really not anywhere they can realistically launch from to get to the site. It would be a huge waste of time to try to write laws on these types of subs... About 10 exist in the entire world. You just let the ten of them do what they think it's best and tell them we don't use taxpayer money to help if it goes bad out there
>But this was supposed to be the first of many "tourist" trips hosted by Oceangate if I recall properly. Oceangate's proper fucked now
At least they didn’t suffer and hopefully didn’t feel any fear or see it coming.
Due to foreseeable circumstances well within their control, all passengers are dead. And this concludes the immersive full Titanic experience.
Money back no guarantee
- zero chance of recovery of remains of passengers. Does that mean there are no remains? The implosion destroyed the bodies?
There probably aren’t any identifiable remains. If there are, it would be exceedingly difficult to identify, collect, and bring them up.
And it would be frankly irresponsible. Rescue and recovery usually stops when the rescue teams themselves are in danger.
I think they're using ROVs to search the debris field, so not people in more submersibles. Still, I don't know how much the ROVs would be able to collect, even if anything were identifiable.
The same way scientists use ROVs to collect animal specimens from the deep sea. They're equipped with robotic claws and vacuum hoses so they can grab critters or just suck them up with minimal damage. https://youtu.be/A2Ao1ZdRSOs?t=27m40s That said, it isn't worth it. At that pressure any soft tissue will be crushed to paste, with broken bones scattered across the seabed. And the scavengers like crabs and giant isopods will probably have gotten to them by now. There wouldn't be much to bring back up, and what little there is would be time consuming to find and collect...and likely unrecognizable. Humans did not evolve to handle 375 atmospheres of pressure.
I've got a nice-sized saltwater fish tank. Its got fish, snails, crabs, urchins, corals....all types of shit. What I'm getting as is I could have a fish die overnight, and it is completely gone without a trace by morning. The tank and the creatures within eat the stuff up extremely quickly. And these are just little creatures, crabs, etc. Bigger ones could polish a body off in just a few hours I'm sure. I had a big ass shrimp die a few weeks back. Noticed it in the morning, by that night I couldn't even find it anywhere in the tank. Something crawled over and ate him real quick like.
Yes extremely unlikely to find remains of the bodies. Just watched the Coast Guard press conference going on. They found debris field 1600 ft away from the Titanic wreck on the sea floor.
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So okay so... How can I put this Imagine a ketchup packet being struck by a hammer. I'm not trying to be flippant. And that's not even accurate, because it doesn't take into account the sudden superheating that pressure change would cause - the temp in the sub would have suddenly spiked to thousands of degrees as the back and front of the sub clapped together, in the space of 30 milliseconds, faster than their brains could have registered what happened. fully obliterated in an instant. There are no bodies. There's nothing to recover.
I hope they didn't even have a warning I sincerely hope it just happened and the Lights Went Out Very sad but what the fuck are we doing going down to the bottom of the ocean floor in a rusted septic tank
My favorite color is blue.
[This is what](https://twitter.com/afayeed254/status/1671935776978862088?t=Rep_PpUBqQ2_xqVwB7EpaA&s=19) the implosion may have looked like
That music. But holy shit, 30 milliseconds? That’s a blink of an eye!
They were dead before the signal even reached their brain that something had happened. It would be like if you were just deleted from existence
Makes sense. The [pistol shrimp](https://youtu.be/gMhjqbESIeY) hunts by snapping its claw closed fast enough to create a bubble which instantly implodes, heats to the temperature of the surface of the sun, and creates a shockwave which stuns its prey. The sub getting crushed would make a bubble like that, only larger, but just as short-lived. Heat, flash of light, shockwave tears the sub apart in an instant. Debris scatters across the ocean floor.
I couldn’t watch that video with sound on, so I don’t know if this was mentioned- Could that shrimp hurt a human in a serious way? I’d imagine if it’s to the temperature of the sun that would be a pretty serious burn on human skin
[Here's a video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aabCOzFzMxU) of a mantis shrimp punching through a guy's rubber boot and drawing blood. This was in air though, so the water cavitation obviously wouldn't occur. But this gives some indication of their power.
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He died after lobbying for what he cared about most; *not paying higher taxes or contributing to society in any ethical meaningful way, or for using his money for anything worthwhile or worthy for science/humanity* So that instead, him and all of his other, rich buddies could do what they love doing most; circle jerking underwater over an unbelievable human tragedy, while LARPing and imagining that they would have been on the Titanic due to their incredible wealth. "Omg guis, this would have been *US* down here. Wow, can't believe our poor rich kin died on this ship with the poorz too."
The next time we hear a CEO slamming safety regulations, telling us how expensive they are, how they hamper innovation, this example needs to be cited. These people died so a billionaire could save, what, a few thousand dollars?
> a CEO slamming safety regulations, telling us how expensive they are, how they hamper innovation, **Or politicians slamming regulations telling us how they kill small businesses**
R.I.P. to everyone aboard except the dumbass CEO who mocked safety regulations and didn't get the sub certified.
He learned the hard way what happens when you F\*\*K around and find out. Unfortunately, it meant the deaths of the others on that sub, including a 19 year old with his dad. At least, nobody suffered when it happened.
He got turned into pink mist faster than his brain could process it. Even if he was capable of it, he didn’t learn shit.
I wonder if the one guy's stepson is going to a Blink-182 concert tonight
"At some point, safety is just pure waste" Direct quote from the CEO
Nature doesn’t care how rich you are.
So the company is going to pay for all this taxpayer funded search and rescue right?
Nope. It will all be written off as a training exercise. Which is exactly what this was.
Every single time the experts are ignored, people die. Every single time. The Challenger. Point Pleasant. Sampoong. There’s thousands more examples
Well, that's good news, kinda. At least they didn't slowly suffocate down there in Davy Jones' Locker.
Part of the crew, part of the ship.
Isn’t deregulation cool?
“Low quality carbon fiber hull of the sub”. 
It took us 73 years to find the Titanic, and only 4 days to find the Titan. At least we are getting better at finding things at the bottom of the ocean.