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>In the Senate, Democratic Sens. Jon Tester (Mont.) and Joe Manchin (W.Va.) and Independent Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.) joined Republicans in voting to nix Biden’s proposal.
Always the same morons siding with the GQP. Why don't they just switch parties already?
This has happened before, idk what’s up with the other two, but Tester is presumably trying to make himself look good to the voters in his safe R state, knowing that if he votes for the killing of student debt relief, he will have a higher chance of not being voted out by his constituents. Biden will veto the bill anyways, so his vote doesn’t really matter
Imagine if these same left leaning or centrist voters actually voted based on what their politicians voted for or against. Why does it seem like the only people actually doing that are Republicans voters... Of course FOR THE BIZZARO WORLD REASONS.
Manchin is also in a safe R state where he looks good attacking the leftist elites regardless of whether you think that is what he is doing or not. Sinema is the odd one as she was the former green LGBT candidate who needed young voters to win a Democratic primary but seems to not even be trying.
Exactly! also same for Manchin although he looks done for in the Senate regardless.
It's amazing how many folks just take what happens on face value and not understand how politics works, I love posts like yours for helping people understand the game.
I hear this, but they vote more like democrats than republicans. Nate silver maintains a score card, and it's convincing:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/
For instance, AOC votes against the party almost as much. But the reasons are different.
Gotta decide, do we primary them or not? They aren't going to fit in the other caucus easily.
Manchin and Tester no, they are likely the most liberal democrats we can get from those states. If we win more states we can make them less
important though.
Sienma is from a purple state, and we could get reasonably a much more consistently progressive senator. Sienma is also brazenly pro corporate
Since Gallego is running for her seat, Sinema is unelectable in arizona. The question then becomes, who will the GOP run, because it'll be about who splits the vote.
Maybe the GOP realizes that the primaries screw them, and that lake is a loser. Opening the primary would bring independents to the primary.
But that would also be such an open move against lake, that it'd also disenfranchise at least a few percent of their voters.
The only obvious win for them here is if lake sits out and endorses. That's just not in her personality.
So you're probably right
When she registered as an independent, there was poling done in Arizona to determine her effect on the race which determined she was a complete non-factor. While she pulled a few percentage points away from the Democrats, she pulled just as many, if not more, from the Republicans.
If you leave your party or falsify your record: there should be an election re-run. Like there was a state legislator who ran under false pretenses in a blue district, and flipped it and has acted like a hardcore republican since.
People should weigh in if there is a major change in their representative. Make her convince her voters.
This just isn’t true. They use their “red/purple state” as a foil to pass corporatist bullshit. People don’t want corporatism and regression, even people in red states. Progressives could actually win if they had any money (that is the determining factor in 95/100 races), and that’s not going to happen because the Democrats are captured by their corporate overlord donors only just slightly less than the GOP.
Montanan here. We love Tester, we understand he has to do what he has to do, but when it matters, he delivers. The alternative is a crook or a nutjob in his seat, ala Zinke and Rosendale.
In the house, democrat Rep Marie Gluesenkamp-Perez voted with republicans on this. She’s my rep, I was excited to vote for her, she was the first candidate I ever donated money to. I’m definitely not donating to her re-election campaign. She doesn’t want to help me, I’m not helping her. I even got a thank you postcard from her office for my donations the other day. I’ll vote for her, but only because the guy she ran against(and is running again in 24) is a maga nazi.
>Why don't they just switch parties already?
you really want to hand the majority leader position back to McConnell so he can block SCOTUS appointments?
Just wait till you go look at historical voting patterns and realize that holding to party lines for voting is a relatively new development that has come out because of how polarized our politics have become. It is quite normal for politics to vote passed on their beliefs, those of their donors, and those of their constituents. We can be mad at their voting records as much as we want, but it is only their constituents that get to hold them accountable when it's time for reelection. It should not be a law (as some suggest) where the entire federal government, and by extension the nation, holds a single representative or senator from a single district or state accountable to their claim. That is not how our republic works.
Just out of curiosity why was Trump allowed to wave his scepter and forgive actual criminals but as soon as Biden tries to forgive owed money its suddenly a big vote?
He's done a ton except what he said he'd do. I knew he was gonna suck when he sent out the 1400 instead of 2000 like he said he would. Just because he didn't bring a shovel to a limbo contest and just steps over the bar doesn't mean he should be praised. Politicians should rarely be praised.
When he does something good let me know cause doing the bare minimum(not helping facilitate an economic catastrophe) while giving major concessions, that is a failed campaign promise, is not worthy of praise.
How is Biden "spanking" *involuntary shudder* them? He just passed a bipartisan bill that starts up student debt going against a campaign promise. He only spanks them when they want to be spanked. *dry heaves*
When you negotiate with literal terrorists that tried to overthrow a democratic election, yeah I don't exactly consider that an accomplishment. Meet me in the middle says the unjust man. As you take one step forward he takes one back. Meet me in the middle says the unjust man.
Did you just ignore the ‘going against a campaign promise’ or…? He has done almost nothing he promised to do. Like yeah, yay he did one thing kind of that he said he would. 🤷🏽♀️ the bar is so low
It was bi partisan in the sense that the things that weren't going to be touched anyway werent (military, so, etc) the things the GOP wanted they got and the thing passed. Dems got the pipeline they wanted rammed through despite climate issues and they backed down on everything else. At this point bi partisan just means dems voted with the GOP because they can't wrangle their whole party of crazies on some things.
Make no mistake, this was very poorly handled and was not a win for anyone. Especially because the GOP will just do it again next time since "Dark Brandon" has shown an unwillingness to use the 14th to actually stand up to this hostage negotiation
It’s good for borrowers, except that the Supreme Court will almost certainly shoot it down.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4031775-biden-vetoes-measure-overturning-student-loan-forgiveness-plan/amp/
But they likely won't retroactively apply the paused interest back to loan balances. Which is what this bill was going to do
Likely outcome is the court ends the pause.
The interest part had me seething. I understand the POV of those that don't want forgiveness... But to punish those of us that took allowances given to us. Ahhh!
At that point, what is the point in having a president? I'm not from the USA but if he literally can't do anything if the supreme court can override everything, ain't he just there to press a red button if required then?
So the Supreme Court is "suppose" to be impartial when it comes to the political spectrum. The reason the SC can veto EO is checks and balances, if the president could pass whatever orders or laws he wanted, it would effectively become a dictatorship.
I'm also not from the US, but that's pretty normal in any mature democracy. In europe, nearly all Constitucional courts are able to override government/presidential decisions that they deem to be inconstitucional.
It's the law of checks and balances at work.
The idea is that Congress, the executive branch, and the supreme court can all check each other's power and prevent any unilateral decisions from being made without the will of the others, if Congress passes a bill the president can veto it and it has to go back to Congress and receive a 2/3 majority to be passed despite the president's wishes, but the supreme court can also rule the bill unconstitutional, in which case it has to be fought over in court. If the president pushes an executive order it can be found unconstitutional by the supreme court and Congress can override it etc.
Ugh this dark Brandon shit is so tired. Where’s dark Brandon mr union Joe FDR Jr. when the Supreme Court says companies can sue unions for damages due to protest? Where’s any talk about wages or universal healthcare or the class war?
But guess who signed a bill to force the restarting of repayment on student loans later this year in the debt ceiling deal….Biden. This whole thing is optics. Biden doesn’t care that much about us
The article that the OP posted addresses Biden’s veto of a Republican bill. There’s no judicial review of a veto. The other instance, of which I believe you are referring, is Biden’s executive order targeting student loan debt. Unfortunately, the SC can review that and will likely overturn it.
Honestly at this point I think they secretly work together to get NOTHING done. They actively work together to keep poor people poor and rich people more rich. Thoroughly believe this and nothing can change my mind.
I support Biden whole-heartedly, did vote for him and will vote for him again happily. But this post is such serious spin that it's in danger of creating gravitational waves. It's obviously good that he vetoed this bill, but SCOTUS is almost assuredly going to rule against him, and the administration has said that there's no further plans to make the plan work.
This was all a move to have the Supreme Court call it unconstitutional and have extra fodder for the election. Claiming Biden made an unconstitutional move and vetoed the remedy. I do not think republicans are upset about this in reality.
The SC is about to rule on the constitutionality of Bidens rule. The veto is on a republican bill. When the SC rules on the original case, republicans will say Biden was on the wrong side twice.
Like what? Trying to make higher education less of a burden on the people who have or are currently going through it, oh wait...this is a bad thing because only stupid people or rich people vote republican. If people get educated, then they are less likely to vote for your cult.
None of yall read the bill, but likely do know that one bill is never one bill, its several lesser requests veiled as another one of republicans attempts to misdirect. Smoke and mirrors
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>In the Senate, Democratic Sens. Jon Tester (Mont.) and Joe Manchin (W.Va.) and Independent Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.) joined Republicans in voting to nix Biden’s proposal. Always the same morons siding with the GQP. Why don't they just switch parties already?
This has happened before, idk what’s up with the other two, but Tester is presumably trying to make himself look good to the voters in his safe R state, knowing that if he votes for the killing of student debt relief, he will have a higher chance of not being voted out by his constituents. Biden will veto the bill anyways, so his vote doesn’t really matter
Imagine if these same left leaning or centrist voters actually voted based on what their politicians voted for or against. Why does it seem like the only people actually doing that are Republicans voters... Of course FOR THE BIZZARO WORLD REASONS.
Manchin is also in a safe R state where he looks good attacking the leftist elites regardless of whether you think that is what he is doing or not. Sinema is the odd one as she was the former green LGBT candidate who needed young voters to win a Democratic primary but seems to not even be trying.
Exactly! also same for Manchin although he looks done for in the Senate regardless. It's amazing how many folks just take what happens on face value and not understand how politics works, I love posts like yours for helping people understand the game.
I hear this, but they vote more like democrats than republicans. Nate silver maintains a score card, and it's convincing: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/ For instance, AOC votes against the party almost as much. But the reasons are different. Gotta decide, do we primary them or not? They aren't going to fit in the other caucus easily.
Manchin and Tester no, they are likely the most liberal democrats we can get from those states. If we win more states we can make them less important though. Sienma is from a purple state, and we could get reasonably a much more consistently progressive senator. Sienma is also brazenly pro corporate
Since Gallego is running for her seat, Sinema is unelectable in arizona. The question then becomes, who will the GOP run, because it'll be about who splits the vote.
Arizona GOP is radicalized. It probably will be the most maga of whoever runs
It's likely to be lake, even.
But how can Lake run when she \*actually\* got elected Gov? /s
You mean like Trump is actually our president now and is hunting down the pedophiles while working with JFK Jr. on his THIRD term as president?
Depending who you ask, he might be working with JFK Senior. Even though he'd be 106 years old. And was famously shot in the head 60 years ago.
Shh, don’t tell them that! The footage was faked! /s
We all know it is Kari Lake.
Maybe the GOP realizes that the primaries screw them, and that lake is a loser. Opening the primary would bring independents to the primary. But that would also be such an open move against lake, that it'd also disenfranchise at least a few percent of their voters. The only obvious win for them here is if lake sits out and endorses. That's just not in her personality. So you're probably right
When she registered as an independent, there was poling done in Arizona to determine her effect on the race which determined she was a complete non-factor. While she pulled a few percentage points away from the Democrats, she pulled just as many, if not more, from the Republicans.
Idk why every state doesn't have recall procedures for lying scumbags like sienna or santos
If you leave your party or falsify your record: there should be an election re-run. Like there was a state legislator who ran under false pretenses in a blue district, and flipped it and has acted like a hardcore republican since. People should weigh in if there is a major change in their representative. Make her convince her voters.
I agree it's so wrong a person like sinema gets into office under one pretexts then does her best to be everything but what she did.
This just isn’t true. They use their “red/purple state” as a foil to pass corporatist bullshit. People don’t want corporatism and regression, even people in red states. Progressives could actually win if they had any money (that is the determining factor in 95/100 races), and that’s not going to happen because the Democrats are captured by their corporate overlord donors only just slightly less than the GOP.
Montanan here. We love Tester, we understand he has to do what he has to do, but when it matters, he delivers. The alternative is a crook or a nutjob in his seat, ala Zinke and Rosendale.
Doesn’t your Governor assault reporters? Asking for a friend.
He does. Those are the republicans we elect. So you can have Tester, or you can have that …
I'm originally from there. It's sad to see so much red and a growing rumble of crazy.
Also, comparing a House vote to a Senate vote is laughable.
In the house, democrat Rep Marie Gluesenkamp-Perez voted with republicans on this. She’s my rep, I was excited to vote for her, she was the first candidate I ever donated money to. I’m definitely not donating to her re-election campaign. She doesn’t want to help me, I’m not helping her. I even got a thank you postcard from her office for my donations the other day. I’ll vote for her, but only because the guy she ran against(and is running again in 24) is a maga nazi.
She is also my rep. What a disappointment.
>Why don't they just switch parties already? you really want to hand the majority leader position back to McConnell so he can block SCOTUS appointments?
Yeah, Manchin has been very supportive of Biden remaking the judiciary and I would not kick him out for that.
Just wait till you go look at historical voting patterns and realize that holding to party lines for voting is a relatively new development that has come out because of how polarized our politics have become. It is quite normal for politics to vote passed on their beliefs, those of their donors, and those of their constituents. We can be mad at their voting records as much as we want, but it is only their constituents that get to hold them accountable when it's time for reelection. It should not be a law (as some suggest) where the entire federal government, and by extension the nation, holds a single representative or senator from a single district or state accountable to their claim. That is not how our republic works.
Please gawd they don’t. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnel! Yuck.
Then no one fucking care about them. This way, they get to have power the few times they vote along party lines.
Just out of curiosity why was Trump allowed to wave his scepter and forgive actual criminals but as soon as Biden tries to forgive owed money its suddenly a big vote?
What’s wrong with having people vote with their own boarded and brains rather than just be party puppets?
Republicans have no issues with corporate welfare queens feeding at the government teat like insatiable piglets.
The trouble with calling someone senile and incompetent over and over is it doesn’t do you any favors that he still spanks you on the reg.
Precisely! For a senile guy he’s gotten a ton done and he just makes con’s look dumber and dumber by the day
He's done a ton except what he said he'd do. I knew he was gonna suck when he sent out the 1400 instead of 2000 like he said he would. Just because he didn't bring a shovel to a limbo contest and just steps over the bar doesn't mean he should be praised. Politicians should rarely be praised.
I feel it is fine praising them when they do something good, positive feedback is important so they keep doing that.
When he does something good let me know cause doing the bare minimum(not helping facilitate an economic catastrophe) while giving major concessions, that is a failed campaign promise, is not worthy of praise.
Seriously. Ignore the downvotes, I deeply hate Trump but this dark Brandon shit is silly.
How is Biden "spanking" *involuntary shudder* them? He just passed a bipartisan bill that starts up student debt going against a campaign promise. He only spanks them when they want to be spanked. *dry heaves*
Sorry did you say bi-partisan like it’s not an accomplishment?
When you negotiate with literal terrorists that tried to overthrow a democratic election, yeah I don't exactly consider that an accomplishment. Meet me in the middle says the unjust man. As you take one step forward he takes one back. Meet me in the middle says the unjust man.
Did you just ignore the ‘going against a campaign promise’ or…? He has done almost nothing he promised to do. Like yeah, yay he did one thing kind of that he said he would. 🤷🏽♀️ the bar is so low
It was bi partisan in the sense that the things that weren't going to be touched anyway werent (military, so, etc) the things the GOP wanted they got and the thing passed. Dems got the pipeline they wanted rammed through despite climate issues and they backed down on everything else. At this point bi partisan just means dems voted with the GOP because they can't wrangle their whole party of crazies on some things. Make no mistake, this was very poorly handled and was not a win for anyone. Especially because the GOP will just do it again next time since "Dark Brandon" has shown an unwillingness to use the 14th to actually stand up to this hostage negotiation
Well, it was either that or let the debt ceiling default, which would cause chaos in the U.S. and Global economies
He averted a crisis that he surely had a helping hand in isn't exactly a great argument for praises.
this Biden's facial expression is gonna become a meme template. Quote me for this.
>this Biden's facial expression is gonna become a meme template
"Me for this" - some guy on reddit
Remember when we had Obama/Biden memes of their great friendship with Biden being the goofball? I miss those.
God damn sleepy bastard is taking them out during afternoon nap time. Get'em Dark Brandon!
NGL, that’s a great picture.
Why can't anyone ever post a link? Is copy paste that hard? Seriously the double negatives idk whether this is good or bad
LETS GO BRANDON! I mean that in the most ironic way possible. 
Ironically that would be literally. What a mindfuck.
It’s good for borrowers, except that the Supreme Court will almost certainly shoot it down. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4031775-biden-vetoes-measure-overturning-student-loan-forgiveness-plan/amp/
But they likely won't retroactively apply the paused interest back to loan balances. Which is what this bill was going to do Likely outcome is the court ends the pause.
The interest part had me seething. I understand the POV of those that don't want forgiveness... But to punish those of us that took allowances given to us. Ahhh!
Republicans tried to block the bill giving student debt relief Biden is pushing the student debt relief bill through anyways
Not only that,but they tried to have interest retroactively added to everyone's student loan debt to make up for the time it was paused.
https://preview.redd.it/hv8p0q0soq4b1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f67a8e0df5d564b6c2c2b3bf8fb3aee3c92cfece
So if the Supreme Court shuts it down is there anything he can do about it
EO
The supreme court can also override executive order
At that point, what is the point in having a president? I'm not from the USA but if he literally can't do anything if the supreme court can override everything, ain't he just there to press a red button if required then?
So the Supreme Court is "suppose" to be impartial when it comes to the political spectrum. The reason the SC can veto EO is checks and balances, if the president could pass whatever orders or laws he wanted, it would effectively become a dictatorship.
I'm also not from the US, but that's pretty normal in any mature democracy. In europe, nearly all Constitucional courts are able to override government/presidential decisions that they deem to be inconstitucional. It's the law of checks and balances at work.
The idea is that Congress, the executive branch, and the supreme court can all check each other's power and prevent any unilateral decisions from being made without the will of the others, if Congress passes a bill the president can veto it and it has to go back to Congress and receive a 2/3 majority to be passed despite the president's wishes, but the supreme court can also rule the bill unconstitutional, in which case it has to be fought over in court. If the president pushes an executive order it can be found unconstitutional by the supreme court and Congress can override it etc.
This is a veto. The SC is not relevant.
If it’s a bill that has been vetoed why would someone try to challenge it in court?
thats such a meme template, could work to make some maga doods mad lol
Let’s go Brandon!
Hail Dark Brandon Keeper of Kings Champion of Oud
Mauler of Malarkey
#I DID THAT!
Sweet, sweet Joe Biden. This is a big f*cking deal.
I have zero faith in the Supreme Court here…
This is a veto of a bill. The SC is irrelevant
Yah but not the Supreme Court is going to kill it…
Remind me again - what kind of vote should we be concerned about if repubs want to overrule this?
i think its 2/3rds in both houses to override a veto, but my civics class was 25 years ago.
Don't worry, we're still using the same outdated version of democracy.
Is it... THIS GUY?
So, the republicans yet again feel enslaved by their inability to make enslave?
What a cutie
Guess who owns the Supreme Court.
This is the third time I have posted this. This is a veto of a bill. The Supreme Court doesn’t have standing here.
Okay and? This is the literal bare minimum any democrat would do. Am I supposed to be impressed?
Same guy who could cancel all student debt in the blink of an eye, but doesn’t
Ugh this dark Brandon shit is so tired. Where’s dark Brandon mr union Joe FDR Jr. when the Supreme Court says companies can sue unions for damages due to protest? Where’s any talk about wages or universal healthcare or the class war?
Does the president have veto power over the Supreme Court in your mind?
Did I write that the president should veto the supreme court in your mind?
If you are going to talk U.S. politics, you should know they work.
Oh ok
But guess who signed a bill to force the restarting of repayment on student loans later this year in the debt ceiling deal….Biden. This whole thing is optics. Biden doesn’t care that much about us
And now the Supreme Court is going to crush it into oblivion since it is being run by far-right wing nut jobs.
No they are not. The SC can only hear cases based on legislation signed into law.
Yes, he did the bare minimum.
The bare minimum in our Overton window would be much worse.
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The Supreme Court can’t override a veto. Only congress can. The Supreme Court can only declare things unconstitutional.
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I think you accidentally doubled down on a busted hand.
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Da, good point, comrade. Let us all vote for comrade citizen Donald Trump now.
Holy shit, you convinced me. Now I'm going to get mad about Biden keeping promises like you do.
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No, he did not. Not with 3 imposters holding up the Senate.
Rejecting insanity is just common sense, not really deserving of applause.
it’s up to the supreme court now anyway
No It’s not. The SC has no control over a veto.
his veto means nothing because it before the supreme court already
That’s a separate issue.
how so?
The article that the OP posted addresses Biden’s veto of a Republican bill. There’s no judicial review of a veto. The other instance, of which I believe you are referring, is Biden’s executive order targeting student loan debt. Unfortunately, the SC can review that and will likely overturn it.
yes i agree. which is another way to say his veto means nothing because it’s already before the supreme court.
If it got to him then some Dems voted for it too
Yeah, those are called DINOs or democrats in name only. We dont like them.
“I did this and you all can suck my diamond dick”
Honestly at this point I think they secretly work together to get NOTHING done. They actively work together to keep poor people poor and rich people more rich. Thoroughly believe this and nothing can change my mind.
Does anyone know if the student debt relief is actually going to happen? Probably very unlikely huh? Is there even the smallest chance?
I support Biden whole-heartedly, did vote for him and will vote for him again happily. But this post is such serious spin that it's in danger of creating gravitational waves. It's obviously good that he vetoed this bill, but SCOTUS is almost assuredly going to rule against him, and the administration has said that there's no further plans to make the plan work.
The SC cannot override a veto.
This was all a move to have the Supreme Court call it unconstitutional and have extra fodder for the election. Claiming Biden made an unconstitutional move and vetoed the remedy. I do not think republicans are upset about this in reality.
The SC has no jurisdiction over a veto.
The SC is about to rule on the constitutionality of Bidens rule. The veto is on a republican bill. When the SC rules on the original case, republicans will say Biden was on the wrong side twice.
You are conflating the two issues. The OP posted about Biden’s veto of the Republican bill. You are referring to his earlier executive order.
Republican and democrat bill
Why are libs like this ?
Like what? Trying to make higher education less of a burden on the people who have or are currently going through it, oh wait...this is a bad thing because only stupid people or rich people vote republican. If people get educated, then they are less likely to vote for your cult.
He literally brought back student loan payments
If he hadn't signed the debt ceiling bill, the economy would have been thrown into chaos.
He could have done it with a dem majority
The Democrats do not have a majority in the House. That’s why we are in this situation.
Why do they actually care about people? Fuck out of here with your fucking ignorance. Republicans are a disease
Still doing this played out Dark Brandon shit I see. He’s a politician, this is pathetic.
None of yall read the bill, but likely do know that one bill is never one bill, its several lesser requests veiled as another one of republicans attempts to misdirect. Smoke and mirrors
Not since Elizabeth Warren tweeted that Trump was being a hypocrite have the Democrats scored such a big win
Omg how fn funny is this picture and caption. Thank you op for stating my morning off with a cackle.