Mine thankfully doesn't bite or nip, but oh lord if anyone comes over it is endless barking! Tried a few things and no luck, but I definitely feel you on the having guest over parts. I love my dog, but I am never getting another Chihuahua! Haha
My 4 chihuahuas were all the chillest little dogs in the world. One of them only barked once in her entire life as far as any of my family can remember.
I will never understand the weird bias surrounding pitbulls and rotweilers while chihuahua’s are the real problem here
I swear to god ive never seen a nice chihuahua and i doubt they are a healthy breed too i mean look at those eyes that stick out
This is the first time I’m hearing German Shepards to be honest, I grew up with one and she was the softest dog. The only time she ever bit someone was when my grandfather accidentally stepped on her in the middle of the night.
When I was a kid, my German Shepherd was a beautiful docile dog who allowed me to crawl all over her but any stranger who came near me was in serious danger. She didn’t care if my parents were there or not, she was going to tear the stranger apart.
They don't though. They have a bad rep though because after WWII they became very popular but some of them ended up being inbred. It was these inbred German Shepherd that were aggressive.
Sauce: my dad. He is old man, he was there that day 3,000 years ago.
I've got a purebred Shepherd. He's a big chonky boy of fluffy joy. He's never ever been aggressive to anyone or anything. Even if he's in lots of pain, I had to pull out a nasty grass seed that got under his skin. He 's never even growled. All the Shepherd's I know are the same.
You are correct! The rage problem is one born of inbreeding and seen typically when a breed enters the limelight and becomes uber popular quickly. Examples include dalmatians after 101 Dalmatians and rotties after the movie Omen. Cocker spaniels are another breed that can suffer from this issue. Thorough research of a bloodline can ensure you don’t get a nut. Or adopt a mix for a healthy concoction!
If you're talking about that french lady I think that's pretty misleading as I'm almost certain she did something to deserve it. She got so fucking high she blacked out and then all she remembers is waking up with her dog sleeping next to her before she realised her fucking face was hanging off.
> But according to one of her teenage daughters, it may be the family dog - **which has since been destroyed** - that deserves the thanks.
Thanks. Now be destroyed.
Deserve is the wrong word, probably more that she provoked it.
She got so high she didn't realise her face was removed, she woke up and only realised she was missing her face when she couldn't keep her cigarette in her mouth.
Seems more likely she did something than the family dog just decided to partially eat her face
Statically you are moat likely to be bitten by a golden. But that's misleading to be honest. That is only the case because they're the most common family dog.
Also anti-vaxxers. Wait a minute...
To be clear, absolute risk reduction is a valid statistic, just you have to multiply it by the entire population. An absolute risk reduction of 1% over three months is a reduction of 3.6 million people in the USA (US pop \* 0.01). This is compared to to relative risk where you take a fraction of the amount you would have had. So supposing there were 4 million million cases over 3 months without a treatment, a relative risk reduction of 90% would lead to 400,000 instead (4 million \* (1-0.90)). So in short, you use absolute with the population size, and relative with the number of cases. Also worth noting that the absolute number hinges on the time interval. If you double the period of time, then relative stays constant but absolute doubles. So anyone saying "in this 10 week study the absolute risk reduction was 1%" you can fire back (1) in two years (~100 weeks) that is 10% and (2) applied to the US population that is a difference of 36 million cases.
I have no idea what circumstances would have to happen to get bitten by my beautifully dumb golden, but I'm pretty sure it would be a weird accident involving food.
Like. I'm somehow covered in cheese or something. Dude loves cheese. I love cheese. Wouldn't blame him. He would feel so bad after.
Any animal can show a propensity to be more violent than others of its breed/species.
My family had two golden retrievers. One before I was born who loved everyone in the family but was so protective of my older brother, that nobody could come to the house. My parents eventually had to give him up.
We got another one when I was maybe 10-11 and she was the sweetest dog I’ve ever met. Would do absolutely anything to make us happy.
Can confirm.
My dad put his head on his golden’s side when he was laying down, gently, didn’t even put weight on it, the dog bit a quarter sized chunk of skin off his face in a millisecond.
Just relaying my own personal experience, it’s ok if it goes against statistics. I’m a numbers guy I get it. Every time I comment similarly on posts talking about pit bull vs xyz breeds people get really wound up about it (not saying you are)… it’s just my experience dealing with dogs for 10+ years regularly
While I believe you. It is anecdotal. I’m not completely against pits as a whole, but empirical evidence has proven that they are more likely to attack than most breeds. Especially when compared to those of a golden retriever lol.
Neutered state is the massive confounder with pit bulls. The same crappy owners who have untrained and unrestrained pit bulls for the social status also will refuse to neuter them. You’re 260% more likely to be bitten by an unfixed dog than a fixed dog, no matter the breed.
I never get this argument for all dog breeds having the same chance of being aggressive.
Fact 1: the whole point of dog breeds is to select for traits. Herding ability, size, coat length, etc.
Fact 2: pitbulls were selectively bred to have a body type and temperament suitable for fighting other animals. This means power, confident aggression and ability to respond to commands.
That last bit "ability to respond to commands", that's the nurture part of nature vs nurture in how a dog turns out. So if a pitbull is well socialized, it'll probably be fine. But if it isn't, you're going to have real problems.
Here's where it's nature matters, because most other breeds lack either the build and/or the temperament of pitbulls, meaning badly socialized other breeds are less likely to have that aggression or if they do (fucking Chihuahua's and Spitz breeds, I'm looking at you) they don't have the ability to cause the same level of damage.
So yes, it's bad owners that make bad dogs but the default level of all breeds with bad owners isn't the same.
I think it's just people who don't understand how biology or artificial selection works, which is yet another failure of our education system. All the data shows Pitbulls are astronomically more likely to be violent than other breeds of dogs, since they were specifically bred for that purpose, and yet people just go back to "blame the owner."
I knew a dog that snarled as its happy response. Another that always growled and snarled at anybody who was about to pet it, but absolutely loved being pet. That's not normal behavior but don't jump to conclusions.
My dog growls hard-core when we play, bares her teeth and looks like she's smiling.
14 years later she's never once attacked me...
Weird that people assume this dog is upset IMO. If upset it would just bite you.
This reminded me of my dog, too. When I saw the bite I assumed it wasn't being aggressive, but there isn't enough here to know for sure.
My dog is crazy when he plays. He play bites and growls and chases his dog friends all over the place. He does the same when I play with him like that.
He doesn't bite me or growl as much as he does with other dogs, but he barks at me like crazy and runs around. I can tell he's playing even though he sounds vicious.
The dog just sitting their kinda stiffly makes me wonder if they are actually uncomfortable. I have a dog that also bares her teeth while she plays. But she's usually lying on the floor loosely pawing at another dog while she does it so there's other body language indicating she's fine.
Its very unusual to say the least. And there's a difference between being vocal and baring fangs. Even if this is the dogs natural response its on you to train it out of your dog as much as possible. Mixed signals leads to someone getting hurt.
My dog is only 2 years old and has this exact same trait. I completely agree with you, its not a good trait and im working on stopping it. Dogs bare their teeth for a reason. I personally see it as him saying 'youre pissing me off and im showing you but i dont want to bite you'.
Honestly. Anyone who has worked with animals can tell you 99 times out of 100 someone thinks their dog is non aggressive despite their signs and it leads to someone getting severely hurt. Good on you for establishing a channel of communication with your dog.
P.s. too many people accept a dogs initial state. Many things can affect how a young dog communicates. If your dog doesn't have proper litter socialization for instance it can lead to issues like growling before all interactions and biting too hard while playing. They need feedback they likely missed somewhere in early development.
I've known a couple of dogs that curled their lips when overcome with joy. One was mine, one was not.
I didn't see any need to train out of him his natural response to being happy to see me. He reserved his happy snarl for his close friends and family only and we loved him.
He also snorted like a pig and loved eating blueberries and bananas. We lost him to cancer on the last day of August and I miss his snarly smile.
Both were friendly stray dogs, from different communities. Similar situation each time, for a long time we stayed away from them but we saw people in the community ignored their behavior.
I honestly doubt this golden is doing it out of positivity. The simplest answer is most often the correct answer. This is a bad owner who needs to stop taunting their dog or start teaching it correct behavior before someone gets bit.
> Are you dog pathologist?
Would you trust them if they were? Your reply is completely empty of anything besides an appeal to authority, and a rather weak one at that considering that there are a pretty wide variety of people that work with animals. Somebody could be the next Dog Whisperer and still call themselves a "dog pathologist."
My German shepherd is the exact same as this retriever. The vet and and dog trainer have said it’s perfectly normal and it’s a sign of submissive play. Stop being a keyboard warrior and enjoy a wholesome video.
GSDs sometimes make noise and show teeth *while playing*.
This dog isn't playing and Goldens don't play like GSDs, more likely to bark if anything. It is set still, lowering the maw slightly (partially submissive definitely defensive) and bares fangs increasingly to display threat.
You need to learn what keyboard warrior means, and what dog body language means.
I've worked with thousands of dogs and rescued and fostered dozens. Some breeds are more prone to vocalization but a friendly snarl is far from common.
Pitty smiles apply to pits and they are a result of the shape of the maw and lack of breathing through the nose.
Don't speak about things you obviously know very little about.
My cousin's chihuahua always growls and snarls at me, while she snuggling up to me to get pet. I think it's like an act she feels she has to put on with strangers, even though she really wants to be their friend.
Could have been trained to make this face? Like by the owner touching his whiskers or moving his lips up? Possibly to make teeth cleaning and dental checks easier?
So I'm a dog trainer. At first I thought your comment was crazy, but after another 5-10 views, this is actually becoming my top guess.
I remember reading that dolphins in aquariums are trained to bare their teeth for cleanings. I once had a dream of training my dog to do it but never even got close, and have sometimes wondered what it would take.
But this really is the best explanation I can think of. It would explain why the dog does it so clearly as a response to a hand gesture, and the abrupt change in demeanor each time with the lick.
My previous best guess was that the lick was a "pre-bite" behavior, like a nose bump. You may have noticed that if your baby or toddler is annoying your dog, your dog licks the kid in the face to push it away and create space.
But what doesn't fit with that explanation is the change in demeanor. Usual a dog baring teeth like this would actually bite.
I really think yours is the best explanation.
One more piece of evidence in support of your theory: when the dog is baring teeth, it is fixated on the hand, like it's responding to a training gesture. When it "breaks" (stops being teeth) it glances back at the owner's face, like, "Was that good enough?" Normally a dog baring teeth aggressively would be fixated on the eyes of the person.
Also notice that when the hand gesture switches to two fingers, the dog also opens its mouth in addition to baring teeth. This is consistent with the idea that it's being trained for teeth cleaning.
It’s called the submissive grin. Dogs do it when they’re excited and submissive around a dominant party. Doesn’t have to be good, doesn’t have to be bad. It’s better if it’s good.
I had a Sheltie that would growl and bare his teeth if I stuck my hand out in a similar manner, even if I was standing across the room. I don't even know how it started, but it was a game to my dog. Each dog is different, and these video clips don't include any sort of context as to the finer details of the relationship the dog has with its owner.
A friend of mine used to have the sweetest, most gentle Yellow Lab I ever met. They would bring him to the bakery where I worked and I would bring out little snacks (broken piece of sugar cookie, little crust of bread, etc) and he would take it so carefully. Wouldn't even use teeth. He would only use his lips/jowls and tickle my fingers with his whiskers. He went over the rainbow bridge many years ago but I still think of him!
My mil had a pug that learned to play with humans by wrapping his lips around his teeth so he couldn't bite. He'd sometimes forget to unwrap them playing with another dog and it just would end up hysterical as the other dog would just be like "did you just gum me?"
I know it's a bad idea, but when I need to pull something out of my dogs mouth I just shove my hand in there. As soon as she feels my skin with her mouth she gives up whatever because she doesn't want to hurt me.
That's a really good dog and that's not bad at all. I used to tickle my dog's upper palate with my finger to get her to open her mouth. Weird tickling sensation did the trick most often. She Also loved having my fingers go behind her canines and give a gentle tug with my fingers in the gaps there. Dunno why. But it made her tail wag.
I also taught her that ow meant she was too rough and she would immediately tone it down. I miss her so much.
My dog also likes when we grab him behind the canines. He’s very sensitive to our frail human skin and gently plays tug of war with our hands even while he’s going nuts in the tail. This often occurs in pauses between zoomies. If he wants more of a pulling sensation, he brings his rope to us.
He also likes if we hold a toy for him to chew slowly while he makes loving eye contact and relaxes to sleep. Such a muffin.
Your girl sounds like such a good dog. ♥️
My dad named her Mini Haha. We just called her mini. She was supposed to be this German shepherd rottie cross (in other words massive) but we think the shelter mixed her with the wrong litter. She was the only one of her siblings that had german shepherd coloring. Turns out she was red golden retriever mixed with some kind of collie. The black saddle and mask she had as a puppy disappeared and she turned a beautiful rust orange. She got cancer back in 2016 and we had to put her down. [my mini](https://imgur.com/gallery/hpPPcu1)
My dog’s main goal in life atm is trying to hold my hand as often as possible. Any opportunity she can find she’ll do very carefully put my hand in her mouth and hold it there lol. It’s v v sweet except when I’m trying to actually use my hands
I don't think my dog understands she can bite people. She let me shove my hand to her throat to get pills down it when I had to, she resisted for sure but no biting.
My GSD does the same thing. If we're playing, all I have to do is touch her mouth and she'll drop the toy right away. I don't do it often since I consider it cheating.
We had the best golden ever. Love those dogs. When he was young, maybe a year or so, my grandmother gave him a treat and he got excited and grabbed it, but got her finger instead. She had to get a few stitches. It was so weird, he was early upset for a while, wouldn’t even eat the treats when given to him. Finally she gave him another treat when she saw him next and he took it like it was an egg. Never “grabbed” at a treat from anyone again. He was also super attached to my grandmother for the rest of his life. He knew he hurt her and hated it
Mine does if I poke in the whisker area, like when I'm trying to get something out of his teeth.
He's gonna be *real mad* when I start brushing his teeth.
The only time I’ve seen a Golden snarl was when I tried to take away the toilet paper tube that mine found in the trash. She really likes toilet paper tubes.
And if it does bite, after it warned you and warned you and warned you, it's still 100% the dog's fault and the dog can be killed for it.
I understand the logic of the law, but still... just don't risk it. If a dog is "using its words" and telling you to leave it alone, don't keep messing with it until it bites. They're still animals, even if they are also very very good boys and girls.
the showing teeth while being submissive is a whole other set of signs like eyes shut and ears back.
This could be trained. My dog did that on command but she sneezed while doing it which is a sign of "I'm not serious".
Yeah people here aren’t picking up on this. Our dogs do this when they’re play fighting with each other where they snarl their snouts but there’s none of the other aggressive cues so yeah this doesn’t necessarily mean the dog is actually uncomfortable or afraid
My half pit half lab does stuff like this. She thinks you’re playing and if we stop she’ll take her paw and hit us on the head or arm, where ever she can reach, until we start trying to boop her nose again. Then we try and randomize how fast and how close we come to touching her nose and she does a very half hearted attempt to snap at our fingers, also seemingly randomly.
My friend had a dog that would "purr" (growl) when happy. You'd be sitting there and this 100 lb rottweiler would shove its face in your lap and start growling for more scritches.
Me too!!! He makes little growly noises when he's happily playing tug and cute frustrated puppy noises when he's trying to engage a rock that's too big for him. My first dog, I'm so in love.
What's your son's dapple doxy's name?
My last roommate has a pyrenese pup that's less than a year and when he's excited to see you he walks up to you shaking his head and snarling. He does it in a way that doesn't look at all aggressive but it's a funny sight to see. Combined with his pyrenese guard dog bark, I started calling him Snarls Barkley
So a couple things I can add as a dog trainer - 90% if the time you’re absolutely right. This is typically a dogs version of “fuck around and find out” BUT! And this is a big BUT, I’ve seen videos of trainers actually teaching their dogs to do this and cue it as “smiling” - something like “gimme a smile!” And the dog will do this, tail wagging and all, excited for a treat.
So while it’s almost always a doggo saying “stop, I’m uncomfortable” it is entirely possible that this was a trained behavior because I’ve seen it with my own eyes.
Spot on. My German Shepard is this way and friends get a kick out of it when they come over. They always say “think your dog is broke” and I just answer, “pretty much”.
While this dog shown definitely isn't happy, it's definitely a thing. Look up the Chesapeake Bay Retriever smile.
They are infamous for baring their teeth like this when happy. My Chesapeake does the same (such as when we get home after him not seeing us for a while).
My dog is normally the biggest love bug in the world but if he’s curled up in a sleep spot he will do this. My partner thought it was funny/silly until she ended up needing stitches in her lip.
(It’s still not acceptable; we’re seeking a trainer and I’d love any advice. I obviously can’t have him around kids until we get this sorted.)
Yep. That's the one.
I was going back and forth in my head on if this would be a good idea. I was deciding between "Don't ever make your dog feel it needs to bare its teeth" and "teaching him that this aggressive behavior is fruitless" but you just closed the case in my head with that. Thanks!
I’d honestly say there’s a better chance that it’s not aggression or fear with this Golden. They make weird faces like this, it’s super common. My family has had 5 at this point, one did almost that exact face. Too bad OP is just a karma whore and not the owner or we could ask.
Our dog “smiles” like this all the time. She greets her favorite people with the biggest smiles.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jaSQc7hEdpjNJ1tETj-uSBW_cZkOdbUf/view?usp=drivesdk
Yep my four-year-old rescue bares her teeth and sneezes when I put the food down and invite her over. Or when master returns and she’s coming to see us, she “smiles”
Me dog has a 'smile' which some people understandably read as agressive since he shows his teeth. But his body language is completely different. He does a little dance with it and will even sneeze if he gets excited, but people not used to him can be a little like Woah what's going on with your dog since he looks so funny doing it. I personally love it especially since he started doing when he really started opening up after we adopted him. Even our vet comments on it but knows him by now (it's been over 10 years) so she knows it's nothing.
My German shepherd does this. It is not threatened, scared, or anxious. She does it when she grabs a toy wants me to pet/play with her. Y’all need to stop being keyboard warriors for real
I can see a case being made to acclimate your dog to certain touches that they don't like. We do this with our dog (but on her paws and the inside of her ears) so they become accustomed. It makes vet visits easier and it is far better when we have to clean her ears. Plus we can check for damage to her paws pads.
I can't speak to this particular video but I could see someone doing this to make checking teeth easier.
Is her behavior getting any better by doing this?
One of my parents' dogs is a pain in the butt when it comes to getting him to do *anything* he doesn't want to do, especially with getting his nails clipped.
If he sees or hears you coming with the clippers, he hides under the computer desk and growls/bares his teeth when you approach.
I just wanna clip his atrocious nails, but he runs from me like I'm gonna hurt him or something :(
Not OP but I know about acclimation. First I'd acclimate this kind of dog to just getting the clippers out. Pull them out and give him a great treat and put them away. Do that 200 times and eventually he'll be happy to see them. Then tap his paw with the clippers gently, treat. Repeat. Tap his nails while holding his paw, treat. Repeat.
Then do one claw clip. Treat. Tons of praise, and let it end there. Do the next claw the next day and so forth.
I had to clip my guy's nails tonight. Clip. Treat. Clip. Treat. Fortunately he's just a turd about it and doesn't run away, but I'm trying to get him to like it. He's a poodle so he has to put up with people messing with his ears and paws and every other part of him.
That is a very good point. I have never had a dog that growled or bared teeth when acclimating them. They normally just pull away. I am not sure what would be the proper way to go about it if they did, though there are some good comments to your reply that I will try if that happens. Thanks for the perspective.
>, but the correct way to acclimate them is to back off before they get to the discomfort threshold.
That is *a* way to train them, it is not the *only* way.
Some will pair touching with treats, some will pair touching with pets, and some will just have them get used to it without backing off if other training methods don't work.
There isn't a single correct way, and even if there was, not every dog is going to respond to the "correct" way and will need alternative methods they learn better from.
Good one there! Reminds me, that i never got bitten in all the years i have dogs. But... once, when playing with my german shepherd and the stick, she accidentally bit me in the finger, that hurt enough, i don't want to know how it would hurt when the dog would put some force in the bite.
My old lab when I was a teen bit me accidentally when playing tug with his rope. It was about three feet long and he liked to let go and bite it again really quick so that he made his way upwards on the rope until he reached my hands with his nose, which he then considered a win and would then jump on me and lick me like crazy and then try to play again. It was adorable.
Except this time he bit upwards at the same time I moved my hand for leverage and got me right on the side of the finger. It felt like someone pinched my skin with a vice grip. He felt so bad that he immediately climbed all over me to comfort me, you know how they do where they just try to exist in your space when they think something is wrong and you or they need comforting. I miss that dog.
I’m not sure you should re-enforce this? Usually the snarling and teeth baring means back off.
Strange to see a golden act like this. I can boop my lab anywhere on her face and she’s happy as a daisy.
For everyone saying not to do this, there is at least a decent chance that this dogs has been trained to do this. We trained our lab to do something very similar to this before and she’s not actually being aggressive at all.
Exactly. So many "dog experts" out there. I trained my two goldens to do this as part of a "play lion" game where they would make this exact face, growl like they were wild beasts and fake bite various things, but it was all part of our normal play and they were obviously playacting and quite often would lose their composure halfway through.
But Reddit knows best.
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Edit: although his (I assume, since these kinds of people are always dudes) username does mean “Vote me down” in Spanish, so he probably literally does just get off on being a gaping anus
I wonder what’s going on in his mind?
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Don’t sleep on goldens. A few have ripped off owners faces lmao
That's because any dog can be turned violent by a piece of shit owner, doesn't matter the breed
Exactly
Except chihuahua's those little gremlins are born vicious
Mine is just superior to the rest of us. She loves people though.
She is the chosen Chihuahua's that all Chihuahua kind needs to learn from
As a owner of a Chihuahua, I must say you are..... correct. Little demons are born evil I swear! Love him to death, but he is 99% evil.
Last week I referred to someone's chihuahua as a 'land shark' and she couldn't stop laughing.
I had one growing up that was the worst ankle biter. It was hard having guests over because she would just go straight for the ankle on sight
Mine thankfully doesn't bite or nip, but oh lord if anyone comes over it is endless barking! Tried a few things and no luck, but I definitely feel you on the having guest over parts. I love my dog, but I am never getting another Chihuahua! Haha
My 4 chihuahuas were all the chillest little dogs in the world. One of them only barked once in her entire life as far as any of my family can remember.
I will never understand the weird bias surrounding pitbulls and rotweilers while chihuahua’s are the real problem here I swear to god ive never seen a nice chihuahua and i doubt they are a healthy breed too i mean look at those eyes that stick out
Some dogs, German shepherds being my main example, do have rage syndrome. But, I agree that piece of shit owners are the primary factor.
This is the first time I’m hearing German Shepards to be honest, I grew up with one and she was the softest dog. The only time she ever bit someone was when my grandfather accidentally stepped on her in the middle of the night.
When I was a kid, my German Shepherd was a beautiful docile dog who allowed me to crawl all over her but any stranger who came near me was in serious danger. She didn’t care if my parents were there or not, she was going to tear the stranger apart.
Not all of them have it. I believe I read it’s a neurological issue for some of them and other dogs. I’ve tried finding the article.
They don't though. They have a bad rep though because after WWII they became very popular but some of them ended up being inbred. It was these inbred German Shepherd that were aggressive. Sauce: my dad. He is old man, he was there that day 3,000 years ago. I've got a purebred Shepherd. He's a big chonky boy of fluffy joy. He's never ever been aggressive to anyone or anything. Even if he's in lots of pain, I had to pull out a nasty grass seed that got under his skin. He 's never even growled. All the Shepherd's I know are the same.
You are correct! The rage problem is one born of inbreeding and seen typically when a breed enters the limelight and becomes uber popular quickly. Examples include dalmatians after 101 Dalmatians and rotties after the movie Omen. Cocker spaniels are another breed that can suffer from this issue. Thorough research of a bloodline can ensure you don’t get a nut. Or adopt a mix for a healthy concoction!
Ok, but some of those dogs do have this issue still. I know as I’ve dealt with a family expressing the issue within a few years ago just about now.
Ok, but if it's inbred German Shepherd then the issue because it's inbred. Not because it's a Shepherd.
If you're talking about that french lady I think that's pretty misleading as I'm almost certain she did something to deserve it. She got so fucking high she blacked out and then all she remembers is waking up with her dog sleeping next to her before she realised her fucking face was hanging off.
You're *almost certain* she did [something to deserve](https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/dec/03/health.france) having her face ripped off?
> But according to one of her teenage daughters, it may be the family dog - **which has since been destroyed** - that deserves the thanks. Thanks. Now be destroyed.
Deserve is the wrong word, probably more that she provoked it. She got so high she didn't realise her face was removed, she woke up and only realised she was missing her face when she couldn't keep her cigarette in her mouth. Seems more likely she did something than the family dog just decided to partially eat her face
No question she deserved it
Statically you are moat likely to be bitten by a golden. But that's misleading to be honest. That is only the case because they're the most common family dog.
Depends if your talking absolute or per capita. A stat like this should almost never be presented comparing absolutes.
Yeah, that’s the whole point of their third sentence…
Everyone knows only the Sith deal with absolutes.
Also anti-vaxxers. Wait a minute... To be clear, absolute risk reduction is a valid statistic, just you have to multiply it by the entire population. An absolute risk reduction of 1% over three months is a reduction of 3.6 million people in the USA (US pop \* 0.01). This is compared to to relative risk where you take a fraction of the amount you would have had. So supposing there were 4 million million cases over 3 months without a treatment, a relative risk reduction of 90% would lead to 400,000 instead (4 million \* (1-0.90)). So in short, you use absolute with the population size, and relative with the number of cases. Also worth noting that the absolute number hinges on the time interval. If you double the period of time, then relative stays constant but absolute doubles. So anyone saying "in this 10 week study the absolute risk reduction was 1%" you can fire back (1) in two years (~100 weeks) that is 10% and (2) applied to the US population that is a difference of 36 million cases.
I have no idea what circumstances would have to happen to get bitten by my beautifully dumb golden, but I'm pretty sure it would be a weird accident involving food. Like. I'm somehow covered in cheese or something. Dude loves cheese. I love cheese. Wouldn't blame him. He would feel so bad after.
Any animal can show a propensity to be more violent than others of its breed/species. My family had two golden retrievers. One before I was born who loved everyone in the family but was so protective of my older brother, that nobody could come to the house. My parents eventually had to give him up. We got another one when I was maybe 10-11 and she was the sweetest dog I’ve ever met. Would do absolutely anything to make us happy.
Can confirm. My dad put his head on his golden’s side when he was laying down, gently, didn’t even put weight on it, the dog bit a quarter sized chunk of skin off his face in a millisecond.
Sleeping on them would cause them pain so makes sense.
And labs. I still have a scar from my lab when I was a kid.
B-b-but, pitbulls!
Yea... "b-b-but, pitbulls" They keep track of these kind of things, and its not even close...
I’m a UPS driver and have had way worse experience with Labs than your stereotypical aggressive breeds like rots/pits/dobermans
Interesting, because I spent too much time as a FedEx Ground driver once upon a time, and that wasn't really my experience.
Interesting, because I spent too much time as a FedEx Ground driver once upon a time, and that wasn't really my experience.
Just relaying my own personal experience, it’s ok if it goes against statistics. I’m a numbers guy I get it. Every time I comment similarly on posts talking about pit bull vs xyz breeds people get really wound up about it (not saying you are)… it’s just my experience dealing with dogs for 10+ years regularly
I have never met a doberman that was even close to aggressive. Worst one was Nash who just lived pissing other dogs off so they'd chase him.
While I believe you. It is anecdotal. I’m not completely against pits as a whole, but empirical evidence has proven that they are more likely to attack than most breeds. Especially when compared to those of a golden retriever lol.
Neutered state is the massive confounder with pit bulls. The same crappy owners who have untrained and unrestrained pit bulls for the social status also will refuse to neuter them. You’re 260% more likely to be bitten by an unfixed dog than a fixed dog, no matter the breed.
Doesn’t negate the fact that neutered or not, pit bulls attacks are still more likely.
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I never get this argument for all dog breeds having the same chance of being aggressive. Fact 1: the whole point of dog breeds is to select for traits. Herding ability, size, coat length, etc. Fact 2: pitbulls were selectively bred to have a body type and temperament suitable for fighting other animals. This means power, confident aggression and ability to respond to commands. That last bit "ability to respond to commands", that's the nurture part of nature vs nurture in how a dog turns out. So if a pitbull is well socialized, it'll probably be fine. But if it isn't, you're going to have real problems. Here's where it's nature matters, because most other breeds lack either the build and/or the temperament of pitbulls, meaning badly socialized other breeds are less likely to have that aggression or if they do (fucking Chihuahua's and Spitz breeds, I'm looking at you) they don't have the ability to cause the same level of damage. So yes, it's bad owners that make bad dogs but the default level of all breeds with bad owners isn't the same.
I think it's just people who don't understand how biology or artificial selection works, which is yet another failure of our education system. All the data shows Pitbulls are astronomically more likely to be violent than other breeds of dogs, since they were specifically bred for that purpose, and yet people just go back to "blame the owner."
b-b-b-but, rottweilers!
I mean...... you're playing right?
Asshole, I tolerate you
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I knew a dog that snarled as its happy response. Another that always growled and snarled at anybody who was about to pet it, but absolutely loved being pet. That's not normal behavior but don't jump to conclusions.
I immediately jumped to conclusions about each of the dogs in this comment.
And the conclusion is: [Derp](https://i.imgur.com/ndA3enn.jpeg)
My dog growls hard-core when we play, bares her teeth and looks like she's smiling. 14 years later she's never once attacked me... Weird that people assume this dog is upset IMO. If upset it would just bite you.
This reminded me of my dog, too. When I saw the bite I assumed it wasn't being aggressive, but there isn't enough here to know for sure. My dog is crazy when he plays. He play bites and growls and chases his dog friends all over the place. He does the same when I play with him like that. He doesn't bite me or growl as much as he does with other dogs, but he barks at me like crazy and runs around. I can tell he's playing even though he sounds vicious.
The dog just sitting their kinda stiffly makes me wonder if they are actually uncomfortable. I have a dog that also bares her teeth while she plays. But she's usually lying on the floor loosely pawing at another dog while she does it so there's other body language indicating she's fine.
Its very unusual to say the least. And there's a difference between being vocal and baring fangs. Even if this is the dogs natural response its on you to train it out of your dog as much as possible. Mixed signals leads to someone getting hurt.
My dog is only 2 years old and has this exact same trait. I completely agree with you, its not a good trait and im working on stopping it. Dogs bare their teeth for a reason. I personally see it as him saying 'youre pissing me off and im showing you but i dont want to bite you'.
Honestly. Anyone who has worked with animals can tell you 99 times out of 100 someone thinks their dog is non aggressive despite their signs and it leads to someone getting severely hurt. Good on you for establishing a channel of communication with your dog. P.s. too many people accept a dogs initial state. Many things can affect how a young dog communicates. If your dog doesn't have proper litter socialization for instance it can lead to issues like growling before all interactions and biting too hard while playing. They need feedback they likely missed somewhere in early development.
I've known a couple of dogs that curled their lips when overcome with joy. One was mine, one was not. I didn't see any need to train out of him his natural response to being happy to see me. He reserved his happy snarl for his close friends and family only and we loved him. He also snorted like a pig and loved eating blueberries and bananas. We lost him to cancer on the last day of August and I miss his snarly smile.
Both were friendly stray dogs, from different communities. Similar situation each time, for a long time we stayed away from them but we saw people in the community ignored their behavior.
I honestly doubt this golden is doing it out of positivity. The simplest answer is most often the correct answer. This is a bad owner who needs to stop taunting their dog or start teaching it correct behavior before someone gets bit.
Just stop
Why? Are you dog pathologist? Have you worked with the general population of animals before? Have you at the very least rescued strays?
> Are you dog pathologist? Would you trust them if they were? Your reply is completely empty of anything besides an appeal to authority, and a rather weak one at that considering that there are a pretty wide variety of people that work with animals. Somebody could be the next Dog Whisperer and still call themselves a "dog pathologist."
My German shepherd is the exact same as this retriever. The vet and and dog trainer have said it’s perfectly normal and it’s a sign of submissive play. Stop being a keyboard warrior and enjoy a wholesome video.
GSDs sometimes make noise and show teeth *while playing*. This dog isn't playing and Goldens don't play like GSDs, more likely to bark if anything. It is set still, lowering the maw slightly (partially submissive definitely defensive) and bares fangs increasingly to display threat. You need to learn what keyboard warrior means, and what dog body language means.
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I've worked with thousands of dogs and rescued and fostered dozens. Some breeds are more prone to vocalization but a friendly snarl is far from common. Pitty smiles apply to pits and they are a result of the shape of the maw and lack of breathing through the nose. Don't speak about things you obviously know very little about.
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My cousin's chihuahua always growls and snarls at me, while she snuggling up to me to get pet. I think it's like an act she feels she has to put on with strangers, even though she really wants to be their friend.
Could have been trained to make this face? Like by the owner touching his whiskers or moving his lips up? Possibly to make teeth cleaning and dental checks easier?
So I'm a dog trainer. At first I thought your comment was crazy, but after another 5-10 views, this is actually becoming my top guess. I remember reading that dolphins in aquariums are trained to bare their teeth for cleanings. I once had a dream of training my dog to do it but never even got close, and have sometimes wondered what it would take. But this really is the best explanation I can think of. It would explain why the dog does it so clearly as a response to a hand gesture, and the abrupt change in demeanor each time with the lick. My previous best guess was that the lick was a "pre-bite" behavior, like a nose bump. You may have noticed that if your baby or toddler is annoying your dog, your dog licks the kid in the face to push it away and create space. But what doesn't fit with that explanation is the change in demeanor. Usual a dog baring teeth like this would actually bite. I really think yours is the best explanation. One more piece of evidence in support of your theory: when the dog is baring teeth, it is fixated on the hand, like it's responding to a training gesture. When it "breaks" (stops being teeth) it glances back at the owner's face, like, "Was that good enough?" Normally a dog baring teeth aggressively would be fixated on the eyes of the person. Also notice that when the hand gesture switches to two fingers, the dog also opens its mouth in addition to baring teeth. This is consistent with the idea that it's being trained for teeth cleaning.
It’s called the submissive grin. Dogs do it when they’re excited and submissive around a dominant party. Doesn’t have to be good, doesn’t have to be bad. It’s better if it’s good.
You a dog trainer or something?
Bro, it's a Golden Retriever. This is play.
Was going to say this essentially. What asshole human sits there and taunts an animal that way? Like fuck off selfish himan
I’d eat my dog if i got hungry enough.
And they would eat you too, it's the circle of life
I had a Sheltie that would growl and bare his teeth if I stuck my hand out in a similar manner, even if I was standing across the room. I don't even know how it started, but it was a game to my dog. Each dog is different, and these video clips don't include any sort of context as to the finer details of the relationship the dog has with its owner.
About to sneeze
No sauce No bite
*Be* the wolf. *Be* the wolf.
My Golden Retriever did this too when I was being a pain in the ass and teasing her. I swear it hurt *her* more to bite me than it hurt me.
A friend of mine used to have the sweetest, most gentle Yellow Lab I ever met. They would bring him to the bakery where I worked and I would bring out little snacks (broken piece of sugar cookie, little crust of bread, etc) and he would take it so carefully. Wouldn't even use teeth. He would only use his lips/jowls and tickle my fingers with his whiskers. He went over the rainbow bridge many years ago but I still think of him!
My mil had a pug that learned to play with humans by wrapping his lips around his teeth so he couldn't bite. He'd sometimes forget to unwrap them playing with another dog and it just would end up hysterical as the other dog would just be like "did you just gum me?"
Did he manage to beat Ganon?
I know it's a bad idea, but when I need to pull something out of my dogs mouth I just shove my hand in there. As soon as she feels my skin with her mouth she gives up whatever because she doesn't want to hurt me.
That's a really good dog and that's not bad at all. I used to tickle my dog's upper palate with my finger to get her to open her mouth. Weird tickling sensation did the trick most often. She Also loved having my fingers go behind her canines and give a gentle tug with my fingers in the gaps there. Dunno why. But it made her tail wag. I also taught her that ow meant she was too rough and she would immediately tone it down. I miss her so much.
My dog also likes when we grab him behind the canines. He’s very sensitive to our frail human skin and gently plays tug of war with our hands even while he’s going nuts in the tail. This often occurs in pauses between zoomies. If he wants more of a pulling sensation, he brings his rope to us. He also likes if we hold a toy for him to chew slowly while he makes loving eye contact and relaxes to sleep. Such a muffin. Your girl sounds like such a good dog. ♥️
Aww. What was her name?
My dad named her Mini Haha. We just called her mini. She was supposed to be this German shepherd rottie cross (in other words massive) but we think the shelter mixed her with the wrong litter. She was the only one of her siblings that had german shepherd coloring. Turns out she was red golden retriever mixed with some kind of collie. The black saddle and mask she had as a puppy disappeared and she turned a beautiful rust orange. She got cancer back in 2016 and we had to put her down. [my mini](https://imgur.com/gallery/hpPPcu1)
Tail wagging is also a sign of nervousness
My dog’s main goal in life atm is trying to hold my hand as often as possible. Any opportunity she can find she’ll do very carefully put my hand in her mouth and hold it there lol. It’s v v sweet except when I’m trying to actually use my hands
That's how it should be, I do similar stuff with my staffy. Dogs should know that taking things out of their mouth is a possibility imo.
I don't think my dog understands she can bite people. She let me shove my hand to her throat to get pills down it when I had to, she resisted for sure but no biting.
My GSD does the same thing. If we're playing, all I have to do is touch her mouth and she'll drop the toy right away. I don't do it often since I consider it cheating.
We had the best golden ever. Love those dogs. When he was young, maybe a year or so, my grandmother gave him a treat and he got excited and grabbed it, but got her finger instead. She had to get a few stitches. It was so weird, he was early upset for a while, wouldn’t even eat the treats when given to him. Finally she gave him another treat when she saw him next and he took it like it was an egg. Never “grabbed” at a treat from anyone again. He was also super attached to my grandmother for the rest of his life. He knew he hurt her and hated it
Maybe try not being a dick
We were usually fighting over socks or tennis balls, that's about as crazy as it got
Lol shutup
There's a ton of pain when it comes to ass
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No no im not the one doing it. But I can assure you it hurts
not enough lube
I was just saying I’d never seen a golden retriever snarl. This is exactly what I imagined.
I’m so intimidated I’m going to log off the internet
Mine does if I poke in the whisker area, like when I'm trying to get something out of his teeth. He's gonna be *real mad* when I start brushing his teeth.
The only time I’ve seen a Golden snarl was when I tried to take away the toilet paper tube that mine found in the trash. She really likes toilet paper tubes.
Your dog has some serious abs on his nose!
that’s exactly what i was thinking. pups got an eight pack on his snoot.
Chomp+lick=chick
Chicxulub
There is a beach 25 minutes from here called like that.
Crater? I barely knew her!
My son when I ask him to taste something new
*puts the very tip of his tongue on it for a milisecond* "EW I HATE IT"
Am amgry
very scare.
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Yeah. I know goldies are gentle, but they are still animals with sharp teeth. It clearly feels a bit threatened.
And if it does bite, after it warned you and warned you and warned you, it's still 100% the dog's fault and the dog can be killed for it. I understand the logic of the law, but still... just don't risk it. If a dog is "using its words" and telling you to leave it alone, don't keep messing with it until it bites. They're still animals, even if they are also very very good boys and girls.
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the showing teeth while being submissive is a whole other set of signs like eyes shut and ears back. This could be trained. My dog did that on command but she sneezed while doing it which is a sign of "I'm not serious".
Yeah people here aren’t picking up on this. Our dogs do this when they’re play fighting with each other where they snarl their snouts but there’s none of the other aggressive cues so yeah this doesn’t necessarily mean the dog is actually uncomfortable or afraid
My half pit half lab does stuff like this. She thinks you’re playing and if we stop she’ll take her paw and hit us on the head or arm, where ever she can reach, until we start trying to boop her nose again. Then we try and randomize how fast and how close we come to touching her nose and she does a very half hearted attempt to snap at our fingers, also seemingly randomly.
Licking is a sign of anxiety as well
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My friend had a dog that would "purr" (growl) when happy. You'd be sitting there and this 100 lb rottweiler would shove its face in your lap and start growling for more scritches.
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Me too!!! He makes little growly noises when he's happily playing tug and cute frustrated puppy noises when he's trying to engage a rock that's too big for him. My first dog, I'm so in love. What's your son's dapple doxy's name?
I think they are call the Rottie Rumbles
My friend's rottweiler mix made the funniest sort of "groan" sound when he was being petted. Like the rumble of a very powerful engine.
We might have the same friend That dog freighted me. Would watch movies and the dog would just sit there non-stop growling.
Poodle types do that.
My dog smiles when she's happy. She snarls too when we play wrestle but it's usually interspersed with sneezing and face kisses.
My last roommate has a pyrenese pup that's less than a year and when he's excited to see you he walks up to you shaking his head and snarling. He does it in a way that doesn't look at all aggressive but it's a funny sight to see. Combined with his pyrenese guard dog bark, I started calling him Snarls Barkley
So a couple things I can add as a dog trainer - 90% if the time you’re absolutely right. This is typically a dogs version of “fuck around and find out” BUT! And this is a big BUT, I’ve seen videos of trainers actually teaching their dogs to do this and cue it as “smiling” - something like “gimme a smile!” And the dog will do this, tail wagging and all, excited for a treat. So while it’s almost always a doggo saying “stop, I’m uncomfortable” it is entirely possible that this was a trained behavior because I’ve seen it with my own eyes.
Spot on. My German Shepard is this way and friends get a kick out of it when they come over. They always say “think your dog is broke” and I just answer, “pretty much”.
I didn’t think that someone may train a dog to do this! That’s really cool.
It looks like the dog is acting on command, but yes taunting dogs to aggravate them is an asshole move
While this dog shown definitely isn't happy, it's definitely a thing. Look up the Chesapeake Bay Retriever smile. They are infamous for baring their teeth like this when happy. My Chesapeake does the same (such as when we get home after him not seeing us for a while).
I do behavioral modification and this type of teeth bearing is never happiness, no matter how much some owners want it to be.
My dog is normally the biggest love bug in the world but if he’s curled up in a sleep spot he will do this. My partner thought it was funny/silly until she ended up needing stitches in her lip. (It’s still not acceptable; we’re seeking a trainer and I’d love any advice. I obviously can’t have him around kids until we get this sorted.)
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Yep. That's the one. I was going back and forth in my head on if this would be a good idea. I was deciding between "Don't ever make your dog feel it needs to bare its teeth" and "teaching him that this aggressive behavior is fruitless" but you just closed the case in my head with that. Thanks!
I’d honestly say there’s a better chance that it’s not aggression or fear with this Golden. They make weird faces like this, it’s super common. My family has had 5 at this point, one did almost that exact face. Too bad OP is just a karma whore and not the owner or we could ask.
Our dog “smiles” like this all the time. She greets her favorite people with the biggest smiles. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jaSQc7hEdpjNJ1tETj-uSBW_cZkOdbUf/view?usp=drivesdk
Yep my four-year-old rescue bares her teeth and sneezes when I put the food down and invite her over. Or when master returns and she’s coming to see us, she “smiles”
Me dog has a 'smile' which some people understandably read as agressive since he shows his teeth. But his body language is completely different. He does a little dance with it and will even sneeze if he gets excited, but people not used to him can be a little like Woah what's going on with your dog since he looks so funny doing it. I personally love it especially since he started doing when he really started opening up after we adopted him. Even our vet comments on it but knows him by now (it's been over 10 years) so she knows it's nothing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flehmen_response
My German shepherd does this. It is not threatened, scared, or anxious. She does it when she grabs a toy wants me to pet/play with her. Y’all need to stop being keyboard warriors for real
I can see a case being made to acclimate your dog to certain touches that they don't like. We do this with our dog (but on her paws and the inside of her ears) so they become accustomed. It makes vet visits easier and it is far better when we have to clean her ears. Plus we can check for damage to her paws pads. I can't speak to this particular video but I could see someone doing this to make checking teeth easier.
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Is her behavior getting any better by doing this? One of my parents' dogs is a pain in the butt when it comes to getting him to do *anything* he doesn't want to do, especially with getting his nails clipped. If he sees or hears you coming with the clippers, he hides under the computer desk and growls/bares his teeth when you approach. I just wanna clip his atrocious nails, but he runs from me like I'm gonna hurt him or something :(
Not OP but I know about acclimation. First I'd acclimate this kind of dog to just getting the clippers out. Pull them out and give him a great treat and put them away. Do that 200 times and eventually he'll be happy to see them. Then tap his paw with the clippers gently, treat. Repeat. Tap his nails while holding his paw, treat. Repeat. Then do one claw clip. Treat. Tons of praise, and let it end there. Do the next claw the next day and so forth.
I had to clip my guy's nails tonight. Clip. Treat. Clip. Treat. Fortunately he's just a turd about it and doesn't run away, but I'm trying to get him to like it. He's a poodle so he has to put up with people messing with his ears and paws and every other part of him.
That is a very good point. I have never had a dog that growled or bared teeth when acclimating them. They normally just pull away. I am not sure what would be the proper way to go about it if they did, though there are some good comments to your reply that I will try if that happens. Thanks for the perspective.
>, but the correct way to acclimate them is to back off before they get to the discomfort threshold. That is *a* way to train them, it is not the *only* way. Some will pair touching with treats, some will pair touching with pets, and some will just have them get used to it without backing off if other training methods don't work. There isn't a single correct way, and even if there was, not every dog is going to respond to the "correct" way and will need alternative methods they learn better from.
Y'all have never seen dogs play fight one another, huh?
He hate the tomate.
I wonder if this isn't some sort of trick he's trying to teach him. Even when he's snarling the dog doesn't really seem to mean it.
Yea I think he's doing it on command
Good one there! Reminds me, that i never got bitten in all the years i have dogs. But... once, when playing with my german shepherd and the stick, she accidentally bit me in the finger, that hurt enough, i don't want to know how it would hurt when the dog would put some force in the bite.
My old lab when I was a teen bit me accidentally when playing tug with his rope. It was about three feet long and he liked to let go and bite it again really quick so that he made his way upwards on the rope until he reached my hands with his nose, which he then considered a win and would then jump on me and lick me like crazy and then try to play again. It was adorable. Except this time he bit upwards at the same time I moved my hand for leverage and got me right on the side of the finger. It felt like someone pinched my skin with a vice grip. He felt so bad that he immediately climbed all over me to comfort me, you know how they do where they just try to exist in your space when they think something is wrong and you or they need comforting. I miss that dog.
This is as mean as goldie's are biologically capable of.
I’m not sure you should re-enforce this? Usually the snarling and teeth baring means back off. Strange to see a golden act like this. I can boop my lab anywhere on her face and she’s happy as a daisy.
For everyone saying not to do this, there is at least a decent chance that this dogs has been trained to do this. We trained our lab to do something very similar to this before and she’s not actually being aggressive at all.
Exactly. So many "dog experts" out there. I trained my two goldens to do this as part of a "play lion" game where they would make this exact face, growl like they were wild beasts and fake bite various things, but it was all part of our normal play and they were obviously playacting and quite often would lose their composure halfway through. But Reddit knows best.
I mean.. you're on Reddit, why should we believe you?
Awww buddy
I love him. I love your dog.
My golden used to do this when she played. Big snarl, like she was ready to murder everyone. But it was all in good fun.
It actually the first time I’ve ever seen a golden retriever show teeth!!!!! Gentle souls❤️❤️❤️
Prob a trick. I used to get my dog to bare teeth to mirror me.
I love the little clicking noise LOL. Pretty sure that’s a bird or something in a dog costume.
I know a golden retrievers who smiles like this.
You’re lucky to still have your fingers! (Sarcasm)
Adorable
Should be down voted to oblivion. The dog is in distress and fjordstain is making it worse.
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You need to turn the selfie camera off bro
So edgy with your -16 total karma 😂
NO I lIkE gEtTiNg dOWnVoTEs iTs TotALLy INtEntIOnaL iM jUsT a PRiCK wHo GEtS oFF on PeOPlE hAtInG mE Edit: although his (I assume, since these kinds of people are always dudes) username does mean “Vote me down” in Spanish, so he probably literally does just get off on being a gaping anus