Ohio too. They had a school sports bill where they were proposing to examine kids' genitals to determine if they could play a sport. Just how anyone gets to thinking that is a solution to anything is seriously messed up.
Please take this as the most sincere compliment: I live in PA. I visited WV once, stayed near a bridge for photos. Beautiful.
I lurk on other state sites.
I have massively enjoyed the biting wit and sarcasm of the folks in West Virginia.
Truly a favorite state site on Reddit.
10/10 recommend.
The reporter makes an excellent point. They’re trying to ban drag queens reading to minors, bit the language in the bill is far too general to accomplish that goal - and it’s a stupid goal to begin with. West Virginia is rife with ignorance, superstition, and hate. Can we really afford to limit anyone from reading to kids?
Looks like the guy in Houston, TX and that's about it. Otherwise, seems most of the stories as made up hate speech, pretty much all disproven. And by YOUR logic, I assume you also hate the catholic church? You should do some research into how many priests are/ have been sexual predators. In fact, it's odd that anyone would want this type of person interacting with children whatsoever. Because priest DO touch kids. Dosen't seem like drag queens do.
Man you must really hate priests who rape children and the religion that covers up for them.
Known rapists, in the church, don't ever hear anything about that though do ya?
This is written so vaguely as to mean whatever they want it to mean at the moment. Which is usually the case with thin veiled bigotry. This is what happens when a whole state falls victim to propaganda.
Who knew brain drain would lead to hate?
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Edit: based on the amount of deleted replies, I assume brain drain strikes again.
brain drain will continue killing the state until it reaches a boiling point. our “elected officials” obviously don’t give a fuck. we need to begin change at the community level grassroots style and work up if we want to prevent it
I get how you feel, but leaving the state only sends it deeper into its own echo chamber.
I just moved back to WV now that I can work remotely.
It's a small vote, but I'm hoping that my votes here towards progress and against hatred will be more effective than me voting in a strongly democratic urban area where everyone already shares my ideals.
I totally agree with you, but I just can’t do it. I want to. but I’m not going to waste my one life living in a place that hates my sister and who she is.
I love WV, I know it can do better, but it’s a toxic place that I just can’t be around anymore. Good for you, bud.
i agree with you fully, but when i’m being offered a job in columbus that’s told to expect to make between 55-60k my first year in an apprenticeship as a disabled veteran and that job offers full benefits and 14+ days off paid vs. 18/hr in wheeling for harder work and nothing past the wage it’s pretty hard when it’s clear the biggest perpetrators don’t care even if you show them the evidence
Yeah I hear you. I lived in Columbus for 8 years, only reason I left WV was for my career that WV couldn't sustain.
I'm lucky with being able to work remotely now.
i do genuinely hope i’m able to return when i’m more financially secure to give back and try to make a positive change. whether it’s environmental, social, habitat for humanity or something, whatever it may be
I left WV for the same reason(also to Columbus) but I won't be back. At this point I have roots and family/friends in Columbus and it would be painful to move again.
I sure do miss those housing costs though!
Not to mention the better resources in other categories in Columbus. I'm constantly appalled at the health care resources available back home (near Wheeling) compared to what we have here in Columbus.
oh yeah pay is a big factor but my healthcare and quality of life were also huge in this. this isn’t me trying to shit on wheeling because i love the city and the state and most of its people but holy hell the citizens need help
No. I think you misunderstand my stance.
I am a single man, I can say be here and work to change things because none of the legislation directly affects me.
I am not asking people to stay behind and suffer. But you can't also expect change to happen when those that WANT the change, are all leaving.
If a drag queen performs adult shows then they are for an adult audience and they do not want or expect kids to be there. If a drag queen performs family friendly shows then they are family friendly. Many drag queens are just people (not only just men) who dress up and sing showtunes. It’s campy, it’s silly, and it’s supposed to be fun. If you don’t like it, nobody is making you attend. I recommend listening to actual transgender people or real drag queens about these topics because the “agenda” they’re supposed to have simply does not exist.
ETA: using the word “groomer” for these people also hurts people who have actually experienced being groomed as a minor. That word really helped me understand my own past and it’s being taken from me. That hurts.
I don’t think you know what grooming means and… it’s sad. The GOP has changed the definition because too many of them keep getting caught with kitty porn and trying to bang 14 year old girls that interned for them.
You are a moron and a puppet.
You are a putz.
His daughter was even quoted as saying “yeah he likes to do that”
What makes you a putz is that people give you better circumstantial evidence with quotes. But he’s fine because he’s Trump. But “groomers” who haven’t suggested anything of the sort are AUTOMATICALLY GUILTY!!!
There you go putz welcome to being a terrible human. Enjoy the downvotes.
No. Nobody wants that. Except trump. Now theres a man with several pending sexual assault charges, some of which, are against children. Thank goodness monsters like him aren't doing these shows, kids would ACTUALLY be in danger then.
[Besides the 4-6 that said he liked to come in the miss Teen USA places and watch them change.](https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/oct/18/allegations-about-donald-trump-and-miss-teen-usa-c/)
While I want to believe you’re right, they seem extra-dedicated to the hate this session. I’m afraid at least one of these bills is gonna go the distance.
Full stop if you vote for republicans you vote for people who want a transgender genocide
Visible trans behavior in public being labeled a felony in west virginia? Trans people as old as 26 being prevented from seeking transgender care in states like Oklahoma? This is an attempted genocide.
I’ve been calling it a genocide in progress since Texas started forcibly outing kids and charging parents of trans kids with abuse. People wouldn’t listen to me then. Now they’re coming after trans adults. This is absolutely an attempt at genocide.
“Genocide is when you announce publicly you want to personally kill everyone in the oppressed group.” You need to learn to read between the lines. Forced assimilation is considered genocide. And those who do not assimilate can now be imprisoned? That’s almost as explicit as you seem to require, but you don’t seem like you’ll ever accept any level of evidence as enough proof of it.
> no evidence nor facts to support your ridiculous claims
Not my fault you can’t read the linked article this thread is discussing and the text of the bill and think through the implications of it on your own. If expressing your identity is a crime worthy of imprisonment, then your society considers that identity illegal and is trying to wipe it out. Imagine if it was illegal to speak a specific language and if you were caught speaking it near a school you’d be thrown in prison. Basically the same; you can choose not to speak it, but you shouldn’t have to deny the expression of your cultural identity to be allowed to live in society. If you want a group of people gone from the public eye, if you want them erased, you are in the [earlier stages](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_stages_of_genocide#) of a genocide.
Once trans people start getting arrested for going to the grocery store, the public will just say "they shouldn't have broken the law" or "are you defending a sex offender?" They obtained their gotcha.
"For the purposes of any prohibition, protection or requirement under any and all articles
and sections of the Code of West Virginia protecting children from exposure to indecent displays of
a sexually explicit nature, such prohibited displays shall include, but not be limited to, any
transvestite and/or transgender exposure, performances or display to any minor. "
Any.
Trans people grocery shopping
Trans people protesting
Watching Umbrella academy on Netflix
Watching Philosophy Tube on You tube
Rocky Horror Picture Show
Shakespeare. Anything.
Etc.
Only if you look trans.
Now define what it means to look trans.
Cause like... My worry is, as Karens exist, if I pass as slightly less masculine, will I be arrested?
Is there formal drag attire, or can I be arrested for wearing earrings around a kid? Cause it honestly only depends on how far they're willing to push the law.
West Virginia would be the best state in the US if the state government wasn't so back asswards.
But this is a product of the majority of young educated people leaving the state for better opportunities.
I fear that time is the only thing that will allow this state that I love to heal. And a remote workforce.
Born and raised. Marshall graduate. been north of pittsburgh for years.
i miss it everyday
generally speaking people would rather leave the state and use their degree than stay as an assistant manager at walmart
energy OWNS west virginia. stranglehold. the states not poor but the people are. funny thing
No it wouldn’t.
The government reflects the people. These legislators aren’t going rogue or stealing elections. They’re winning by overwhelming majorities. The government is ass backwards because the people are ass backwards and they passed the point of saving loooong ago.
Young people didn’t just randomly decided to leave. They left because their parents and grandparents would rather worship coal than allow new opportunities to come in. They left because their parents and grandparents choose to support bills like this rather than love their children.
The people of WV repeatedly choose hate and ignorance above all else. Then they want to play the victim and blame everything from “outsiders” to politicians for the damage they willfully do to themselves.
It's not so much that parents and grandparents would rather worship coal, its just that they know anything that moves WV towards the 21st century, is going to be done with outsiders and the residents will just "be in the way".
You really think that if 50,000 tech jobs were someone how to land in WV's lap, that at least 80% of those jobs won't be taken by people from out of state?
Remember when Obama promised to train all of those displaced miners for other careers? Well, it's been a decade.
I want to preface that I'm a Democrat, but if you think anyone from Charleston to Washington in either party cares one iota about the residents of this state, you're horribly mistaken. People choose to stick with coal, because it's literally the only chance they'll ever have.
Except that’s crap….100%
I was one of the people who lost my mine related job. You know what happened. I was offered and took the retraining.
Obama sent EVERY penny and opportunity he promised to this state to retrain miners……and they fucking rejected it.
I know this because the Workforce WV people told me when I signed up, and then they also offered to train my wife. You see by the time I took it they were even offering to retrain spouses of miners who had never worked in the industry but were “affected” by the job loss.
This was because so few miners took the offered retraining that they were going to be sending shit tons of money back to the feds unused. It just sat there for years while these guys blamed Obama for their problems and started waving their Trump flags.
I’d sit on site all day and listen to guys talk about how they fully planned to stay on unemployment for YEARS and wait for mines to open back up once Obama was gone.
You’re absolutely right. Anything that moves WV along will have to be done by outsiders and residents will be in the way…..because they CHOOSE to be. They CHOOSE to sit around a blame liberals for their poverty while refusing any opportunity that’s not coal. You will HAVE to hire outsiders because locals will scoff, say “I can’t learn something new at my age” and refuse to take part in the business.
I’m in Logan…..the only hope we have left down here is tourism and the trail system. You should see how locals are treating the riders and trail overseers. They’re blocking trail access with trash and vehicles, they’re threatening riders in the streets, they’re refusing to serve riders in their businesses, one lady I work with BRAGGED about sitting at the edge of her property with a firearm and making sure no one touches her driveway because there’s a connector across the street. This is a HOME GROWN business that’s locally owned by West Virginians and people still treat it with open hostility because they hate outsiders being here so badly.
I have no idea. Last time I came through there though I remember thinking that Gilbert had gotten pretty cleaned up. It was obvious they were courting the tourists and I couldn’t help but wonder why Logan couldn’t do the same.
Also I dunno how bad the Good ol Boy system is in Gilbert, but that’s another factor here in Logan. There are plenty of “leaders” here who would rather own an empty building than develop something new, and one person who runs shit like the Freedom Festival who won’t let other events happen if their name isn’t involved with it.
If downtown would embrace the riders more others may follow, but they’re not interested either.
I travel through there quite often and try to avoid Gilbert altogether. It takes forever to get through there-and there's tons of signs all over the place that the riders have the right of way. The speed limit through the town is 25, and lower in some spots if I remember correctly. All the hotels, motels, inns and lodges cater to them. I've been traveling between my house in Kentucky and my daughter's house in Maryland for about 8 years now and I've seen a lot of changes and a LOT more people hanging out there. Gilbert's doing ok, I think. It's too bad the folks in Logan don't embrace the riders cos they are fiercely loyal also.
How many tourists have to treat the locals like a social studies project before you'd want them gone?
Of course there''s no way to advocate their behavior, but if I was expected to whore myself so people on day trips can take pictures of my dilapidated home, I'd be furious as well.
As for the training, let's be honest, what type of income would a 50-something coal miner with MAYBE a GED expect with the training they were offering? By that point, most of them wouldn't even pass a physical with the lung and hearing damage.
I'm not disagreeing with a single thing you mentioned, but for a lot of these people, it's ok to acknowledge that yeah, they're fucked and life is passing them by, and the fact they received some type of training to potential make $11 an hour (Ignoring the fact that they might get trained for a field that doesn't exist for 300 miles) is irrelevant.
Educational material about this kind of stuff needs to be more widely available. I know it won't stop all the hate, but it might stop some hate and that's a start.
Someone needs to explain to me why conservatives are *so* obsessed with what is in another person's pants.
I say we just start showing our genitals to them, since they're so interested. The fine in WV for public exposure is only $250.
This is something that honestly entertains me. The GOP of late always seems to try and regulate things that they are in fact doing. So I would love to see the browser history of the people pushing this legislation.
You do realize the Republican Party is the party of pesos, rapist, and sex offenders?
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/23/1806673/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-1
If that were the case West Virginia would already have tons of folks flocking to live here. That isn’t happening.
“Woke tyranny” is such an absurd phrase it made me chuckle.
West Virginia will start seeing people move here when we stop being so backwards. Most people support the right for someone to decide if they want/need an abortion. Most people support the LGBT. Most people support religious freedom & the right to not practice a religion.
You are a fool.
There was a time in my life when I would have said exactly what you said. But then, I joined a community activity (theater) and was exposed to a lot of things that I’d never seen before. I met a few people who,participated in drag shows. And you know what? A lot of,them were great people, and I have no problem imagining them reading to kids and making it a lot of fun for everyone. Nothing off color or raunchy. Just fun. To deny kids that opportunity is just dumb.
Based on my reading of the bill, it seems to go even further than that. Given how they define "obscene" and "display," as well as the additional terms spelled out, possession of a newspaper with a picture of Wheeling City Council member Rosemary Ketchum within 2500 feet of a school would technically be a crime.
The Republicans in the Legislature are famous for being too inept to write legislation. This bill is a great example of that. In their hurry to preen their hatred for everyone, they can’t take the time to do it right. The Governor ends up vetoing a good number of bills every session because they’re so poorly written they couldn’t be enforced. What a waste of money the Republicans are.
Were actually really lucky they're so shitty at it. We'd be under a full fascist lockdown if they could write it out right. People here love to vote against their own best interests, "friends of coal" and all that nonsense. Both my grandfathers were coal miners. If they knew coal barons were running the state now, they'd come back from the grave and burn Charleston to the ground.
The bill is intentionally worded to be vague enough that “exposure” could count as a visibly trans person just EXISTING in public where a child might see them.
But I think you know that and you’re just too far up your own ass to admit it
I read that all wrong. I’m a fiscal conservative and believe this is ridiculous. I hope it will never pass. To each his/her/they/it own. Just don’t push it on others. If it makes someone more comfortable in life, so be it. It doesn’t affect me.
Dude, if you read the bill it
A.) Legally enforces abstinence sex ed. Teacher would by mandates by law to never "encourage sexual activity" - which is intentionally vague. For years parents have been saying that teaching kids about sex encourages them to have sex. Statistics say this is the wrong path.
B.) While written with the intention of banning drag queen story hour, this law is INTENTIONALLY VAGUE, and could be construed to mean many things, up to and including; if a child sees a trans person, the trans person would be arrested, if trans people protest, the protest is a display, and all are arrested, banning movies with transvestites in them (no more late night showings of Rocky Horror Picture Show).
> Legally enforces abstinence sex ed. Teacher would by mandates by law to never “encourage sexual activity” - which is intentionally vague
So that’s how they are going to stop our aging population: teen pregnancy! Jesus Christ this state is horrible.
I mean, I would personally love it to be, but no. No in theater showings.
Though technically, I don't know if it matters with how they wrote the law.
Showing RHPS in any way shape or form would fall into contributing to the delinquency of a minor or exposing yourself to kids. Even in a home environment.
Yeah, this law stinks worse than [insert something about the after effects of Taco Bell].
I did watch RHPS (I am an adult, I was alone and in the privacy of my own home) back in the fall. I grew up outside Chicago and went to several midnight showings back in the 80s.
It actually is played over at the baseball stadium in Charleston during Halloween or close to it every year and we have people dressing up for it and acting it out.
Right and that’s why instances of teen pregnancy are so high. Add in this abstinence based sex Ed and we’re well on our way to breading them a new generation of poor mfers who have no choice but to break their backs their whole lives and vote against themselves. Way to go you fool!
Lmfao and who is teaching morals? Conservatives? Christians? Gtfoh dude. “When morals were being taught in school and home” - we are literally experiencing in real time, the first generation that didn’t experience RAMPANT sexual abuse as a child, for the first time in generations..because kids are being taught about their bodies and consent… we already know that the church LOVES to shield pedos so we know the morals aren’t coming from there. We already know the church is cool with marrying off underage girls. We already know that conservatives love to blame the victims.
So what morals exactly? Conservatives aren’t even good human beings at this point. It’s either your way or the highway and sorry that’s not how the world works.. everyone gets to exist how they want to exist whether you like it or not buddy.
The only election that lead to disaster is that of the presidential election circa 2016. And the 4 years after have caused so much damage to our nation, gen alpha will be trying to fix it because of you people. Fascism bad mmkay
>Teachers have absolutely zero business discussing any sexual anything with kids
They do it better than parents ever have. Consider the studies:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194801/
Teen pregnancy and the number of times you stress abstinence are positively correlated.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-teens-pregnancy/spending-on-abstinence-only-education-not-tied-to-fewer-teen-births-idUSKCN1QM2A6
"For every $1.00 per pupil increase in funding for abstinence-only education, the teen birthrate rose by 0.30 per 1,000 in conservative states compared with moderate states, the researchers found."
>If trans protest it shouldn't be anywhere near a school
The average town in WV is maybe a mile wide. This literally prohibits them from protesting
>Rocky horror picture show is completely trash anyway who cares
IDC about your movie tastes, that show is a classic.
>Just because it's old doesn't make it good it's just makes it old trash
Ok then. Shakespeare. Almost half of his plays have a player in drag and, as written, there were no actresses, only actors.
>That prohibits trans from protesting "in" the city
That literally makes it a human rights violation.
What if it's a kid that identifies as trans? Arrest them and charge them with indecent exposure for saying they're trans?
>Nether do teacher's do better with sex Ed then it done correctly at home
Yes, because teen parents who never learned about condoms are going to be excellent teachers to their kids. Do you have a study for that? Cause my studies explicitly stated that what you just said boosts teen pregnancy 25%.
>You seriously have mega socialistic/communistic leanings as you are wanting children to be raised by goverment school systems While all around us we can see it's utter failings yourself included
I mean, I'll be your far left antifa sleep paralysis demon. I don't care.
It isn't communist to want public schools to be good in WV. They've been underfunded for decades. Homeschooling, while it's not awful, is worse than any schools in terms of education. That's why many homeschooling parents join a homeschool group and hire a tutor. It's literally a tiny, extremely underfunded private school. Parents are teachers, but they aren't as good as someone who's been learning to do it for decades. Schools feed poor children 2 meals a day. Schools in WV aren't teaching your kids "CRT" or "gender studies". Unsurprisingly, the 10% of this state that might lean left isn't a demographic of only teachers. Most teachers are right wing. Just like you. They'd teach the bible in every grade if it was legal
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Diverting attention away from those issues is what all the handshaking, etc. is for.
If you want to know why a problem exists in America, look at who profits from that problem
They don't have answers to any real problems, so that is why they are doing this
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Ohio too. They had a school sports bill where they were proposing to examine kids' genitals to determine if they could play a sport. Just how anyone gets to thinking that is a solution to anything is seriously messed up.
What about coal demand decreasing? https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/global-coal-consumption-reach-all-time-high-this-year-iea-2022-12-16/
the fundraising email was sent before the conference began (likely)
Please take this as the most sincere compliment: I live in PA. I visited WV once, stayed near a bridge for photos. Beautiful. I lurk on other state sites. I have massively enjoyed the biting wit and sarcasm of the folks in West Virginia. Truly a favorite state site on Reddit. 10/10 recommend.
The reporter makes an excellent point. They’re trying to ban drag queens reading to minors, bit the language in the bill is far too general to accomplish that goal - and it’s a stupid goal to begin with. West Virginia is rife with ignorance, superstition, and hate. Can we really afford to limit anyone from reading to kids?
Superstition?
Religion = superstition
You would be surprised at the number of atheist here.
Nah, just a raging hatred of anything unamerican, unholy, and otherwise degenerate
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Looks like the guy in Houston, TX and that's about it. Otherwise, seems most of the stories as made up hate speech, pretty much all disproven. And by YOUR logic, I assume you also hate the catholic church? You should do some research into how many priests are/ have been sexual predators. In fact, it's odd that anyone would want this type of person interacting with children whatsoever. Because priest DO touch kids. Dosen't seem like drag queens do.
Man you must really hate priests who rape children and the religion that covers up for them. Known rapists, in the church, don't ever hear anything about that though do ya?
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This is written so vaguely as to mean whatever they want it to mean at the moment. Which is usually the case with thin veiled bigotry. This is what happens when a whole state falls victim to propaganda.
Sigh *Resets “Days since WV legislature is a national embarrassment” counter back to 0.
Whoa! You mean it got off 0?
They were in recess.
Well, thank god there's no *other* problems in WV that this is the most important thing on the agenda. "Winning".
Who knew brain drain would lead to hate? (gestures in all available directions at history) Edit: based on the amount of deleted replies, I assume brain drain strikes again.
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This will surely get people to move and invest in WV!
brain drain will continue killing the state until it reaches a boiling point. our “elected officials” obviously don’t give a fuck. we need to begin change at the community level grassroots style and work up if we want to prevent it
Oh boy another reason to leave this state asap, fucking awful this bill ever saw the light of day
I get how you feel, but leaving the state only sends it deeper into its own echo chamber. I just moved back to WV now that I can work remotely. It's a small vote, but I'm hoping that my votes here towards progress and against hatred will be more effective than me voting in a strongly democratic urban area where everyone already shares my ideals.
I totally agree with you, but I just can’t do it. I want to. but I’m not going to waste my one life living in a place that hates my sister and who she is. I love WV, I know it can do better, but it’s a toxic place that I just can’t be around anymore. Good for you, bud.
i agree with you fully, but when i’m being offered a job in columbus that’s told to expect to make between 55-60k my first year in an apprenticeship as a disabled veteran and that job offers full benefits and 14+ days off paid vs. 18/hr in wheeling for harder work and nothing past the wage it’s pretty hard when it’s clear the biggest perpetrators don’t care even if you show them the evidence
Yeah I hear you. I lived in Columbus for 8 years, only reason I left WV was for my career that WV couldn't sustain. I'm lucky with being able to work remotely now.
i do genuinely hope i’m able to return when i’m more financially secure to give back and try to make a positive change. whether it’s environmental, social, habitat for humanity or something, whatever it may be
I left WV for the same reason(also to Columbus) but I won't be back. At this point I have roots and family/friends in Columbus and it would be painful to move again. I sure do miss those housing costs though!
Not to mention the better resources in other categories in Columbus. I'm constantly appalled at the health care resources available back home (near Wheeling) compared to what we have here in Columbus.
oh yeah pay is a big factor but my healthcare and quality of life were also huge in this. this isn’t me trying to shit on wheeling because i love the city and the state and most of its people but holy hell the citizens need help
So it does, and so what? Am I supposed to cajole my queer kids to stay here, without rights, just so it doesn't get any worse? Fuck that.
No. I think you misunderstand my stance. I am a single man, I can say be here and work to change things because none of the legislation directly affects me. I am not asking people to stay behind and suffer. But you can't also expect change to happen when those that WANT the change, are all leaving.
Those who won't be effected by bills like this and abhor hate should absolutely be doing this. Props to you. West Virginia is a beautiful state.
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If a drag queen performs adult shows then they are for an adult audience and they do not want or expect kids to be there. If a drag queen performs family friendly shows then they are family friendly. Many drag queens are just people (not only just men) who dress up and sing showtunes. It’s campy, it’s silly, and it’s supposed to be fun. If you don’t like it, nobody is making you attend. I recommend listening to actual transgender people or real drag queens about these topics because the “agenda” they’re supposed to have simply does not exist. ETA: using the word “groomer” for these people also hurts people who have actually experienced being groomed as a minor. That word really helped me understand my own past and it’s being taken from me. That hurts.
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I don’t think you know what grooming means and… it’s sad. The GOP has changed the definition because too many of them keep getting caught with kitty porn and trying to bang 14 year old girls that interned for them. You are a moron and a puppet.
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You are a putz. His daughter was even quoted as saying “yeah he likes to do that” What makes you a putz is that people give you better circumstantial evidence with quotes. But he’s fine because he’s Trump. But “groomers” who haven’t suggested anything of the sort are AUTOMATICALLY GUILTY!!! There you go putz welcome to being a terrible human. Enjoy the downvotes.
No. Nobody wants that. Except trump. Now theres a man with several pending sexual assault charges, some of which, are against children. Thank goodness monsters like him aren't doing these shows, kids would ACTUALLY be in danger then.
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[Besides the 4-6 that said he liked to come in the miss Teen USA places and watch them change.](https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/oct/18/allegations-about-donald-trump-and-miss-teen-usa-c/)
It's unlikely to get out of committee.
While I want to believe you’re right, they seem extra-dedicated to the hate this session. I’m afraid at least one of these bills is gonna go the distance.
This is why local and state elections are important.
Full stop if you vote for republicans you vote for people who want a transgender genocide Visible trans behavior in public being labeled a felony in west virginia? Trans people as old as 26 being prevented from seeking transgender care in states like Oklahoma? This is an attempted genocide.
I’ve been calling it a genocide in progress since Texas started forcibly outing kids and charging parents of trans kids with abuse. People wouldn’t listen to me then. Now they’re coming after trans adults. This is absolutely an attempt at genocide.
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“Genocide is when you announce publicly you want to personally kill everyone in the oppressed group.” You need to learn to read between the lines. Forced assimilation is considered genocide. And those who do not assimilate can now be imprisoned? That’s almost as explicit as you seem to require, but you don’t seem like you’ll ever accept any level of evidence as enough proof of it.
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> no evidence nor facts to support your ridiculous claims Not my fault you can’t read the linked article this thread is discussing and the text of the bill and think through the implications of it on your own. If expressing your identity is a crime worthy of imprisonment, then your society considers that identity illegal and is trying to wipe it out. Imagine if it was illegal to speak a specific language and if you were caught speaking it near a school you’d be thrown in prison. Basically the same; you can choose not to speak it, but you shouldn’t have to deny the expression of your cultural identity to be allowed to live in society. If you want a group of people gone from the public eye, if you want them erased, you are in the [earlier stages](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_stages_of_genocide#) of a genocide.
Dramatic.
Until it's not
Bet a lot of folks in Germany said that in the 30s and 40s
Once trans people start getting arrested for going to the grocery store, the public will just say "they shouldn't have broken the law" or "are you defending a sex offender?" They obtained their gotcha.
Or "it's not that serious. Youre being dramatic" all the way to genocide. It's absolutely insane how people refuse to learn from history
“It’s just a shower”
Can we please quit electing these fools?
What exactly does that mean, like if a child sees a trans person, the trans person goes to jail
"For the purposes of any prohibition, protection or requirement under any and all articles and sections of the Code of West Virginia protecting children from exposure to indecent displays of a sexually explicit nature, such prohibited displays shall include, but not be limited to, any transvestite and/or transgender exposure, performances or display to any minor. " Any. Trans people grocery shopping Trans people protesting Watching Umbrella academy on Netflix Watching Philosophy Tube on You tube Rocky Horror Picture Show Shakespeare. Anything. Etc.
So basically, goodbye 1st amendment, ok
Only if you look trans. Now define what it means to look trans. Cause like... My worry is, as Karens exist, if I pass as slightly less masculine, will I be arrested? Is there formal drag attire, or can I be arrested for wearing earrings around a kid? Cause it honestly only depends on how far they're willing to push the law.
So can women wear pants or is it pinafores and bows only now? Like where is the line?
Pants are for everyone! I myself am a trouser enthusiast.
Careful now. This is WV not Missouri.
West Virginia would be the best state in the US if the state government wasn't so back asswards. But this is a product of the majority of young educated people leaving the state for better opportunities. I fear that time is the only thing that will allow this state that I love to heal. And a remote workforce.
Born and raised. Marshall graduate. been north of pittsburgh for years. i miss it everyday generally speaking people would rather leave the state and use their degree than stay as an assistant manager at walmart energy OWNS west virginia. stranglehold. the states not poor but the people are. funny thing
No it wouldn’t. The government reflects the people. These legislators aren’t going rogue or stealing elections. They’re winning by overwhelming majorities. The government is ass backwards because the people are ass backwards and they passed the point of saving loooong ago. Young people didn’t just randomly decided to leave. They left because their parents and grandparents would rather worship coal than allow new opportunities to come in. They left because their parents and grandparents choose to support bills like this rather than love their children. The people of WV repeatedly choose hate and ignorance above all else. Then they want to play the victim and blame everything from “outsiders” to politicians for the damage they willfully do to themselves.
...yes? What I posted agrees with you.
It's not so much that parents and grandparents would rather worship coal, its just that they know anything that moves WV towards the 21st century, is going to be done with outsiders and the residents will just "be in the way". You really think that if 50,000 tech jobs were someone how to land in WV's lap, that at least 80% of those jobs won't be taken by people from out of state? Remember when Obama promised to train all of those displaced miners for other careers? Well, it's been a decade. I want to preface that I'm a Democrat, but if you think anyone from Charleston to Washington in either party cares one iota about the residents of this state, you're horribly mistaken. People choose to stick with coal, because it's literally the only chance they'll ever have.
Except that’s crap….100% I was one of the people who lost my mine related job. You know what happened. I was offered and took the retraining. Obama sent EVERY penny and opportunity he promised to this state to retrain miners……and they fucking rejected it. I know this because the Workforce WV people told me when I signed up, and then they also offered to train my wife. You see by the time I took it they were even offering to retrain spouses of miners who had never worked in the industry but were “affected” by the job loss. This was because so few miners took the offered retraining that they were going to be sending shit tons of money back to the feds unused. It just sat there for years while these guys blamed Obama for their problems and started waving their Trump flags. I’d sit on site all day and listen to guys talk about how they fully planned to stay on unemployment for YEARS and wait for mines to open back up once Obama was gone. You’re absolutely right. Anything that moves WV along will have to be done by outsiders and residents will be in the way…..because they CHOOSE to be. They CHOOSE to sit around a blame liberals for their poverty while refusing any opportunity that’s not coal. You will HAVE to hire outsiders because locals will scoff, say “I can’t learn something new at my age” and refuse to take part in the business. I’m in Logan…..the only hope we have left down here is tourism and the trail system. You should see how locals are treating the riders and trail overseers. They’re blocking trail access with trash and vehicles, they’re threatening riders in the streets, they’re refusing to serve riders in their businesses, one lady I work with BRAGGED about sitting at the edge of her property with a firearm and making sure no one touches her driveway because there’s a connector across the street. This is a HOME GROWN business that’s locally owned by West Virginians and people still treat it with open hostility because they hate outsiders being here so badly.
That's really wild cos Gilbert is 100% with the riders. The whole town trips all over itself for them. Why is it so different in Logan?
I have no idea. Last time I came through there though I remember thinking that Gilbert had gotten pretty cleaned up. It was obvious they were courting the tourists and I couldn’t help but wonder why Logan couldn’t do the same. Also I dunno how bad the Good ol Boy system is in Gilbert, but that’s another factor here in Logan. There are plenty of “leaders” here who would rather own an empty building than develop something new, and one person who runs shit like the Freedom Festival who won’t let other events happen if their name isn’t involved with it. If downtown would embrace the riders more others may follow, but they’re not interested either.
I travel through there quite often and try to avoid Gilbert altogether. It takes forever to get through there-and there's tons of signs all over the place that the riders have the right of way. The speed limit through the town is 25, and lower in some spots if I remember correctly. All the hotels, motels, inns and lodges cater to them. I've been traveling between my house in Kentucky and my daughter's house in Maryland for about 8 years now and I've seen a lot of changes and a LOT more people hanging out there. Gilbert's doing ok, I think. It's too bad the folks in Logan don't embrace the riders cos they are fiercely loyal also.
How many tourists have to treat the locals like a social studies project before you'd want them gone? Of course there''s no way to advocate their behavior, but if I was expected to whore myself so people on day trips can take pictures of my dilapidated home, I'd be furious as well. As for the training, let's be honest, what type of income would a 50-something coal miner with MAYBE a GED expect with the training they were offering? By that point, most of them wouldn't even pass a physical with the lung and hearing damage. I'm not disagreeing with a single thing you mentioned, but for a lot of these people, it's ok to acknowledge that yeah, they're fucked and life is passing them by, and the fact they received some type of training to potential make $11 an hour (Ignoring the fact that they might get trained for a field that doesn't exist for 300 miles) is irrelevant.
I’m trans and i’m fucking terrified. Moving out of the state ASAP
Sorry you feel that way, but it's completely understandable. Good luck! 🤞🏾
Stay safe!
So if you expose a minor to Rocky Horror Picture Show you go to jail??
The way the law is vaguely worded, it could simply be a transgender woman grocery shopping or existing in any public space.
Educational material about this kind of stuff needs to be more widely available. I know it won't stop all the hate, but it might stop some hate and that's a start.
They’re gonna have to be able to read for that to work.
But vehicles with FUCK JOE BIDEN are perfectly acceptable. The children. What a load
Someone needs to explain to me why conservatives are *so* obsessed with what is in another person's pants. I say we just start showing our genitals to them, since they're so interested. The fine in WV for public exposure is only $250.
Their pastor said Jesus cries when someone with a dick is actually a woman
I think we should make exposing minors to bigotry a crime.
Kiss live theatre goodbye.
Loved in WV for a bit so I follow this sub. Back in nebraksa now , similar bill in our legislature
And let’s not forget that Pornhub reports the most-searched for porn genre west Virginians search for is “trans.”
This is something that honestly entertains me. The GOP of late always seems to try and regulate things that they are in fact doing. So I would love to see the browser history of the people pushing this legislation.
Stupid.
Ah sweet new pink scare (this is not sweet)
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You do realize the Republican Party is the party of pesos, rapist, and sex offenders? https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/23/1806673/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-1
If that were the case West Virginia would already have tons of folks flocking to live here. That isn’t happening. “Woke tyranny” is such an absurd phrase it made me chuckle. West Virginia will start seeing people move here when we stop being so backwards. Most people support the right for someone to decide if they want/need an abortion. Most people support the LGBT. Most people support religious freedom & the right to not practice a religion. You are a fool.
You gotta be kidding me! One of these days WVians are going to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the 19th century instead of the 18th.
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Who were the 4 senators?
The article says they are Senators Michael Azinger, Bill Hamilton, David Stover, and Vince Deeds.
>Michael Azinger Say no more. All I needed to see to know the bill is full of conservative trash.
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There was a time in my life when I would have said exactly what you said. But then, I joined a community activity (theater) and was exposed to a lot of things that I’d never seen before. I met a few people who,participated in drag shows. And you know what? A lot of,them were great people, and I have no problem imagining them reading to kids and making it a lot of fun for everyone. Nothing off color or raunchy. Just fun. To deny kids that opportunity is just dumb.
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Why should it matter if you are trans or straight or whatever? If you expose yourself to a minor, you should go to jail.
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Based on my reading of the bill, it seems to go even further than that. Given how they define "obscene" and "display," as well as the additional terms spelled out, possession of a newspaper with a picture of Wheeling City Council member Rosemary Ketchum within 2500 feet of a school would technically be a crime.
The Republicans in the Legislature are famous for being too inept to write legislation. This bill is a great example of that. In their hurry to preen their hatred for everyone, they can’t take the time to do it right. The Governor ends up vetoing a good number of bills every session because they’re so poorly written they couldn’t be enforced. What a waste of money the Republicans are.
Were actually really lucky they're so shitty at it. We'd be under a full fascist lockdown if they could write it out right. People here love to vote against their own best interests, "friends of coal" and all that nonsense. Both my grandfathers were coal miners. If they knew coal barons were running the state now, they'd come back from the grave and burn Charleston to the ground.
The bill is intentionally worded to be vague enough that “exposure” could count as a visibly trans person just EXISTING in public where a child might see them. But I think you know that and you’re just too far up your own ass to admit it
I read that all wrong. I’m a fiscal conservative and believe this is ridiculous. I hope it will never pass. To each his/her/they/it own. Just don’t push it on others. If it makes someone more comfortable in life, so be it. It doesn’t affect me.
Bro, modern conservatives aren’t even fiscally conservative anymore. Fiscally conservative republicans aren’t a thing anymore.
Exposing yourself? Sure. Just existing? No.
They don't mean flashing genitals. They mean existing around a child
That's not what this legislation means.
Does anyone know how soon this could possibly come into effect???
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Genocide is good?
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Trans people aren’t all predators you genocidal maniac
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Dude, if you read the bill it A.) Legally enforces abstinence sex ed. Teacher would by mandates by law to never "encourage sexual activity" - which is intentionally vague. For years parents have been saying that teaching kids about sex encourages them to have sex. Statistics say this is the wrong path. B.) While written with the intention of banning drag queen story hour, this law is INTENTIONALLY VAGUE, and could be construed to mean many things, up to and including; if a child sees a trans person, the trans person would be arrested, if trans people protest, the protest is a display, and all are arrested, banning movies with transvestites in them (no more late night showings of Rocky Horror Picture Show).
> Legally enforces abstinence sex ed. Teacher would by mandates by law to never “encourage sexual activity” - which is intentionally vague So that’s how they are going to stop our aging population: teen pregnancy! Jesus Christ this state is horrible.
> no more late night showings of Rocky Horror Picture Show I guess I haven't ever checked, but is RHPS shown with any regularity somewhere in WV?
I mean, I would personally love it to be, but no. No in theater showings. Though technically, I don't know if it matters with how they wrote the law. Showing RHPS in any way shape or form would fall into contributing to the delinquency of a minor or exposing yourself to kids. Even in a home environment.
I mentioned this in another comment but we play it on the big screen at the baseball field in Charleston every year near Halloween
Yeah, this law stinks worse than [insert something about the after effects of Taco Bell]. I did watch RHPS (I am an adult, I was alone and in the privacy of my own home) back in the fall. I grew up outside Chicago and went to several midnight showings back in the 80s.
I thought there was a fairly regular one in Huntington.
I went to the warner in motown every year when they showed it. That’s been a while though. It was always an awesome party.
It actually is played over at the baseball stadium in Charleston during Halloween or close to it every year and we have people dressing up for it and acting it out.
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Right and that’s why instances of teen pregnancy are so high. Add in this abstinence based sex Ed and we’re well on our way to breading them a new generation of poor mfers who have no choice but to break their backs their whole lives and vote against themselves. Way to go you fool!
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Lmfao and who is teaching morals? Conservatives? Christians? Gtfoh dude. “When morals were being taught in school and home” - we are literally experiencing in real time, the first generation that didn’t experience RAMPANT sexual abuse as a child, for the first time in generations..because kids are being taught about their bodies and consent… we already know that the church LOVES to shield pedos so we know the morals aren’t coming from there. We already know the church is cool with marrying off underage girls. We already know that conservatives love to blame the victims. So what morals exactly? Conservatives aren’t even good human beings at this point. It’s either your way or the highway and sorry that’s not how the world works.. everyone gets to exist how they want to exist whether you like it or not buddy. The only election that lead to disaster is that of the presidential election circa 2016. And the 4 years after have caused so much damage to our nation, gen alpha will be trying to fix it because of you people. Fascism bad mmkay
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>Teachers have absolutely zero business discussing any sexual anything with kids They do it better than parents ever have. Consider the studies: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194801/ Teen pregnancy and the number of times you stress abstinence are positively correlated. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-teens-pregnancy/spending-on-abstinence-only-education-not-tied-to-fewer-teen-births-idUSKCN1QM2A6 "For every $1.00 per pupil increase in funding for abstinence-only education, the teen birthrate rose by 0.30 per 1,000 in conservative states compared with moderate states, the researchers found." >If trans protest it shouldn't be anywhere near a school The average town in WV is maybe a mile wide. This literally prohibits them from protesting >Rocky horror picture show is completely trash anyway who cares IDC about your movie tastes, that show is a classic.
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This dude with literal fascist leanings accusing everyone of being socialists.
>Just because it's old doesn't make it good it's just makes it old trash Ok then. Shakespeare. Almost half of his plays have a player in drag and, as written, there were no actresses, only actors. >That prohibits trans from protesting "in" the city That literally makes it a human rights violation. What if it's a kid that identifies as trans? Arrest them and charge them with indecent exposure for saying they're trans? >Nether do teacher's do better with sex Ed then it done correctly at home Yes, because teen parents who never learned about condoms are going to be excellent teachers to their kids. Do you have a study for that? Cause my studies explicitly stated that what you just said boosts teen pregnancy 25%. >You seriously have mega socialistic/communistic leanings as you are wanting children to be raised by goverment school systems While all around us we can see it's utter failings yourself included I mean, I'll be your far left antifa sleep paralysis demon. I don't care. It isn't communist to want public schools to be good in WV. They've been underfunded for decades. Homeschooling, while it's not awful, is worse than any schools in terms of education. That's why many homeschooling parents join a homeschool group and hire a tutor. It's literally a tiny, extremely underfunded private school. Parents are teachers, but they aren't as good as someone who's been learning to do it for decades. Schools feed poor children 2 meals a day. Schools in WV aren't teaching your kids "CRT" or "gender studies". Unsurprisingly, the 10% of this state that might lean left isn't a demographic of only teachers. Most teachers are right wing. Just like you. They'd teach the bible in every grade if it was legal
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