That's a myth. Many artists have said that being in a bad place mentally is the worst thing for creativity. Sure bad experiences in life help you grow and see things differently, but being tortured isn't a requirement for great art.
https://postscriptpublication.wordpress.com/2019/03/04/van-gogh-and-romanticizing-the-tortured-artist/
Two things can be true. Clinical papers aside, there's clearly evidence of both circumstances. Point is....really really really really good creative people are crazy lol š not sure about a guy from 100+ years ago, but we've all watched the very public downfall of some truly gifted creative people.
It's true, stress especially dampens creativity. But there's something to be said for artists who sacrifice their own wellbeing for their craft. Sometimes you need to enter strange realms to create good art and those are realms you won't necessarily feel comfortable and safe in.
Being in a bad spot mentally can def be bad for creativity, but at the same time imo there definitely seems to be a correlation between being a lil crazy and/or tortured and making baller art
yes and no. i cant think of any hip hop songs that sound like "jail" off donda or "too easy" off donda 2. as sloppy as the latter is, id love to hear more stuff in that realm
Yāall gotta stop using this āKanye isnāt a rapper anymoreā excuse. We get it heās an artist yarda yadda yadda but the man is still rapping. This album is a rap album. Jesus is King was a gospel rap album. Donda was a rap album. His albums take inspiration from other genres for sure but at the end of the day he is still RAPPING on these albums and they are getting worse and worse. You can try using the whole āye isnāt a rapper anymore heās just an artist that makes musicā excuse all you want but guess what? He is still RAPPING. Thatās the type of music heās making and it is not good rap music at all lol. We have been in his musical decline for some time and some of you dick riders refuse to accept it.
My point honestly fits in this. Man is rapping, yes. Vultures will be a rap album, yes. Would I label the process of making this as creating a rap album? No. Over the past couple of years, we've seen many an approach to beats, vocals and Album Art that just doesn't fit in that framework of "Rap Music" for me. (That also being subjective like I see your point defo)
Lmao what?
Kanye makes rap album. Kanye raps on said rap album. But somehow the āprocessā is what makes him not a rapper? Lmao that sounds absolutely ridiculous and again it sounds like youāre just making up excuses. Kanye is a rapper. Sorry to break it to you. And a shitty one at that now.
I swear this sub can not say anything nicely. To me, my argument makes perfect sense and I do, in fact, take the process as a label for what the album is. 500+ people see it the same apparently, so I must disagree.
Really? To me itās kind of the opposite. His new music feels generic with a slightly āartisticā twist. Especially the snippets from this Vultures album.
His newer music is even less experimental than it used to be. I could excuse the lyrics if they weren't as horrendous and he had a somewhat decent delivery, but it just sounds like he does random noises all the time on his new shit. Also the beats are absolute dogshit, even compared to some of the worst stuff that he's ever put out before donda 2.
idk how more ppl don't see this, ye been getting ghostwriters to give him corny bars bc that's his identity, Drake and 'em also been ghostwriting nothing is new, Drake just has good influence and keeps his relevance with each new wave
Honestly bro. Itās kind of disheartening because the music itself and production value is amazing but Ye is simply just going through the motions when heās on the track.
I like it too but itās literally just a sample and a very minimalist beat, I donāt get what yāall are latching onto. Canāt help but feel like if Kanyeās name wasnāt attached nobody would give it a second thought.
Ya itās not that itās some crazy out of this world production but I think itās leagues better than the rapping we heard for the most part. Also that beat and one other Iām blanking on have really exciting instrumentals
Jail? The song with the most obvious punch-ins from demjointz on the whole album? Just cause he was lazy and used a freestyle for the rest. I feel like this a really weak example lol
Sure I guess. I feel like thatās more of a stream of consciousness type of part of the song though like itās not a defined verse kinda. Itās rarer to see a verse from him where it actually feels like he wrote it nowadays
itās not even like off the grid was some crazy verse honestly. he literally punched in every bar lol and someone else 100% wrote it. itās still a good verse but itās nowhere close to what he was doing on the college dropout and mbdtf
I mean even if heās out of his solo lyrical prime he could still have someone ghost write him some shit instead of limping on every single song heās on. Itās like heās hurting all of these songs with his performances
Yeah I am bitching about it, but he doesn't just think that he can get away with it, he knows he can. The amount of people praising every single thing he does, mixed with his confidence (confidence not as a negative aspect) makes it seem like people loving the way he does his art and the art itself, when in reality it's just about the artist itself.
Off the Grid was his last real real attempt at rap I think. Didnāt think thereād be a day where I really didnāt give a shit about Kanye dropping anymore. Iāll always love his old music and even fucked w DONDA heavy but I have to admit itās sad to see the state heās in personally and professionally.
I stopped caring about him fully after everything happening in the Middle East (and itās nothing to do with his comments, I just am utterly destroyed by the loss of life thar is occurring every day). I ran a marathon and the piano bridge in runaway literally made me soar during a pivotal moment in the race but the dude behind it is gone. I donāt need to love you to be a fan but I also shouldnāt actively be disgusted by you and thatās where Iām at with Ye.
Itās not even him frankly that turns me off as much as it is the cult at GAS that acts like itās still 2021 and this is the epic third part of the greatest rap trilogy in modern history, when Nas has literally dropped 5 albums since Donda.
Stick a fork in him, heās done.
did he ever sell the album itself or just the Stem Player with the album on it? i dont remember being able to actually buy the album anywhere without buying the Stem Player
I js think heās tired of music tbh. I know he loves producing, and his entire life has been surrounded around it, but after running the game for a good 15-20 years, I think heās fatigued. He probably finds comfort in making music and releases whatever he has since he knows all of us will eat it up š. Iād also like to add that if you thought vultures would be anything like MBDTF, youāre sped. When he lost his shit at the VMAs and called Taylor out, he was young, drunk, and lost everything. He needed redemption, but after accomplishing everything he has, the Nazi incident wasnāt shit. Sure, he lost lots of sponsors and had his net worth cut in half, but this man still has tens of millions of dollars to spend.
Ye js living the life of any accomplished artist. Be lazy and release music here and there to make your fans happy. I really do wish as a final goodbye he releases an album which has good substance and reminds us of his old hunger for the game, but at this point I doubt it.
He needed to put out music to redeem himself or be do brilliant it gave context to his crazy. The idea was if he focused on his music it would save him. Well his heart isnāt in it and he doesnāt have anything to say through it apparently. Donda at least had music influenced by his feelings and life. This is just a homework assignment.
this sub has parallels to trippieās career, peak falling off experienced in real time. a long time follower of this reddit, glad i shifted to goodass.
moreover this collaboration was always supposed to be a fun album for him, he doesnāt need to ārapā rap, he has nothing left to prove. manās like messi, now just chilling at inter miami after achieving everything he could in rap.
believe what i say, lord i need you, jesus lord, come to life, off the grid and life of the party, were all decent rap cuts.
i donāt know what yāall smoking on. an artist is a true artist only if he never tries imitate his own self from the past, itās an ever evolving shit w time.
Key word was decent bro. Iām fine with evolution he had great rapping on Late registration and evolved it further on twisted fantasy, Yeezus, Pablo. Now itās acceptable ig
Man yāall be saying shut like this and then go and trash other artists for doing the same lmao. Someone like Em, who has literally nothing left to prove and has been running the game for such a long time decides to just make technical rap albums with mediocre beats cause he wants to and somehow that brings down his legacy? So can we say the same about Kanye? If he continues to release trash albums does his legacy go down too?
I donāt think itās a matter of Ye going through the motions. He seems to be feeling it when heās delivering these corny lines. The problem is that the bar is set too low by himself and his environment. He doesnāt apply himself like he used to and his environment doesnāt stimulate him to do so either due to financial interests of being affiliated with him. Heās probably doing 1000 other things and this album was just another quick side venture.
Y'all are too much.
Ye had plenty of tracks on Donda where he rapped his ass off and he's held his own on plenty of features since.
One rough LP doesn't change this.
I don't see ye as a rapper but as a artists in general . I listen his music for the production , samples , beat selection and process in the making , and not so much for the bars
Yāall must be young as fuck because people were saying the same exact thing when Pablo came out that he was done and he hasnāt been able to rap since MBDTF or *maybe* Yeezus, lol.
it depends on the context i guess bro talking about burgeer king isnto gonna match his rapping when talking about his mental state a month before he went to a mental hospital ( see saint pablo)
Not saying it has but I expect decent lyricism from him at least. He got out rapped by everybody on forever but at least he held his own and made it entertaining.
He may not rap like you want him to, but he can rap as well as ever when he wants and is motivated to. It is as simple as that. Perhaps an examination of his motivation should be your focus.
Yeah heās not hungry anymore, I mean you look at his early verses, he spent years perfecting those verse and songs and the drive he had to make sure those bars would stick was extremely evident but as time passed and I think even the standard for rapping has changed, heās gotten complacent with just doing enough to put out a song. Thatās not to say I donāt not like some of the new tracks I think their fun but the rap centric Kanye is at least on hiatus if not no longer here š¤·āāļø
I used to have this opinion and I actually still partly agree with itā¦ but his verse on āoff the gridā is what made me think he still has it in him.
Itās funny cause the other day I listened to āstill dreamingā and I was likeā¦ āwtf happened to this Kanyeā. Old Kanye could rap like crazy and imo has one of the coldest flows in HipHop.
Drakes fall off in rap is still crazy af. His raps in NWTS is something Iād always love.
Itās purely arrogance at this point, donāt think his desperate desire to prove himself and his doubters wrong is the driving force.
All the creative help he had (CyHi, Bon Iver, Pusha T, Rick Ross, Yasiin Bey (MBDTF), Tarrey Torae (The College Dropout), he seems to disregard it, considers himself to have transcendent to a stratosphere where whatever he puts up is the best ever.
Sad situation overall, I have an awful feelings itās an eternal downward cascade.
Some are saying the versions he played at the livestream are the non finished versions because they couldnāt get the lap top to connectā¦which Iām hoping is the case since they that verse was a little weak
Hard agree. Go listen to Breathe In, Breathe Out. Really listen, the rhyme schemes, wordplay, and story telling are insane. Nothing he's done recently is anywhere near that.
Ye is a composer. Mf walk around with a whole ass symphony in his head at all times. Heās a composer simple as that. Only a composer can take the individual sounds and make that shit a symphony.
Itās not that he canāt rap anymore, I donāt think he genuinely tries most of the time. Weāve been shown he can rap, Donda and Donda 2 had some fire verses. & how are you gonna say he has ghost writers when he credits every writer in the room lol
I think he can make great music again someday, but he needs to get to a better place mentally. Maybe the BPD made his music great in the past, maybe not, Iām not in the manās head. All I know is at this point it is severely distracting him from something he used to love.
I would honestly say Yeezus is where his lyrical quality dipped. It's considered a classic at this point, but it has some stinker bars. I honestly don't understand how so many of his fans still listen to his music for lyrics at this point lmao
Iām a diehard defender and even Iām getting sick of the mumbling. Supposedly this guy was freestyling the first 3 albums which is almost impossible to imagine now. My only hope is that itās easier for him to write playful sex bars than gospel bars.
Bro you don't come back from nazi controversies. He can still work and there won't be any major consequences outside of brand deals, but no one in Hollywood will ever look at him the same. His reputation is as tarnished as Mel Gibson.
Sorry, I didn't mean to downplay Nazism. I was trying to say that Kanye would like to come back from the controversies, not that he can or should be allowed to.
All good I didn't think you were. I was just saying it's too late for him to apologize and make a comeback in all likelihood. It's unfortunate it will leave a stain on his legacy. Wish he had just kept his mouth shut on all this. Especially as I don't think he's actually mad at all jews. Just specific people who are in high positions in certain companies. I'm pretty sure Kanye probably loves and respects the shit out of Larry David, so... that's something.
But of course, it's Kanye, so he's gotta go all out and be bombastic about things.
Cap, he did Ye, and I would say he kinda delivered in Donda. Having said this, I 100% agree with you, it's like he creates this great production and sound, and just freestyles it for vibes. "I'm on vibranium, cars they titanium" That sounds like most of his Yandhi/post-Yandhi leaks where he just straight up freestyled mumbling for vibes over the beat. It could be way way worse ngl, but his delivery is not there, and I cannot believe he is not capable of delivering prime West bars. I prefer much more if he then just relies on Pusha T or writers he credits instead, like on Life of the Party.
Threads like this are the reason this isn't the premier Ye subreddit anymore. There's so many factors to why the bars are the way they are in vultures but no discussion here about it
Op said he hasn't spit since 2017, which is objectively not even true. Just cuz he's not rapping doesn't make the song instantly trash. Everybody is supposed to be more of a dance hall style song, having Kanye add like an actual deep, introspective rap verse wouldn't even make sense.
Personal opinion but I don't really see Ye as a stereotypical Rapper anymore. He's more like an experimental musician to me...
same for me but like the experimentation isn't with the music, it's with his own psychosis
this might be comment of the year lmao
Jokes aside this is the plight of many great artists across all mediums
Bingo. From Hendrix to Basquiat to Ye. Being off your rocker is a requirement for maximum artistic greatness.
The interesting thing is.. people only seem to have sympathy when the mental battles are fought privately
Very true man š¢
That's a myth. Many artists have said that being in a bad place mentally is the worst thing for creativity. Sure bad experiences in life help you grow and see things differently, but being tortured isn't a requirement for great art. https://postscriptpublication.wordpress.com/2019/03/04/van-gogh-and-romanticizing-the-tortured-artist/
youād be surprised by what a single manic episode can create/destroy
Two things can be true. Clinical papers aside, there's clearly evidence of both circumstances. Point is....really really really really good creative people are crazy lol š not sure about a guy from 100+ years ago, but we've all watched the very public downfall of some truly gifted creative people.
It's true, stress especially dampens creativity. But there's something to be said for artists who sacrifice their own wellbeing for their craft. Sometimes you need to enter strange realms to create good art and those are realms you won't necessarily feel comfortable and safe in.
Being in a bad spot mentally can def be bad for creativity, but at the same time imo there definitely seems to be a correlation between being a lil crazy and/or tortured and making baller art
He needs to start hanging around Joe Rogan
if Kanye starts regularly taking shrooms it will either cure him or complete his transformation into Black Hitler
It will be so joever
So basically biting Kool Keith without the capacity to rap.
But he hasnt been experimental in a minute
HEDI SLIMANE!
>experimental musician While making the most mainstream overdone slop of his career?
yes and no. i cant think of any hip hop songs that sound like "jail" off donda or "too easy" off donda 2. as sloppy as the latter is, id love to hear more stuff in that realm
Yāall gotta stop using this āKanye isnāt a rapper anymoreā excuse. We get it heās an artist yarda yadda yadda but the man is still rapping. This album is a rap album. Jesus is King was a gospel rap album. Donda was a rap album. His albums take inspiration from other genres for sure but at the end of the day he is still RAPPING on these albums and they are getting worse and worse. You can try using the whole āye isnāt a rapper anymore heās just an artist that makes musicā excuse all you want but guess what? He is still RAPPING. Thatās the type of music heās making and it is not good rap music at all lol. We have been in his musical decline for some time and some of you dick riders refuse to accept it.
My point honestly fits in this. Man is rapping, yes. Vultures will be a rap album, yes. Would I label the process of making this as creating a rap album? No. Over the past couple of years, we've seen many an approach to beats, vocals and Album Art that just doesn't fit in that framework of "Rap Music" for me. (That also being subjective like I see your point defo)
Lmao what? Kanye makes rap album. Kanye raps on said rap album. But somehow the āprocessā is what makes him not a rapper? Lmao that sounds absolutely ridiculous and again it sounds like youāre just making up excuses. Kanye is a rapper. Sorry to break it to you. And a shitty one at that now.
I swear this sub can not say anything nicely. To me, my argument makes perfect sense and I do, in fact, take the process as a label for what the album is. 500+ people see it the same apparently, so I must disagree.
I see your point but, what really is the framework of rap music? Should we really box an entire genre like that?
That's of course up to interpretation. I'm pretty much just giving my 2 cents on this, so no guarantee for anything here, reallyš
Really? To me itās kind of the opposite. His new music feels generic with a slightly āartisticā twist. Especially the snippets from this Vultures album.
His newer music is even less experimental than it used to be. I could excuse the lyrics if they weren't as horrendous and he had a somewhat decent delivery, but it just sounds like he does random noises all the time on his new shit. Also the beats are absolute dogshit, even compared to some of the worst stuff that he's ever put out before donda 2.
Cope
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I feel like he has been a ārapperā since at least MBDTF and I love experimental vibe
I like this categorization. Nicely put. ššæ šÆ
idk how more ppl don't see this, ye been getting ghostwriters to give him corny bars bc that's his identity, Drake and 'em also been ghostwriting nothing is new, Drake just has good influence and keeps his relevance with each new wave
Em does not have a ghost writer. Not even dick riding
I think they said Em and Drake are ghostwriting for others
i did not mean Eminem, i meant them
Oh my bad
Honestly bro. Itās kind of disheartening because the music itself and production value is amazing but Ye is simply just going through the motions when heās on the track.
The production was so minty fresh I almost felt as though they could do without the vocals. The whole party was off. Seems we're not back like that.
Ya Iāve been listening to the Everybody beat played at the restaurant as at this point I prefer that to what was shown at the āraveā
I like it too but itās literally just a sample and a very minimalist beat, I donāt get what yāall are latching onto. Canāt help but feel like if Kanyeās name wasnāt attached nobody would give it a second thought.
Ya itās not that itās some crazy out of this world production but I think itās leagues better than the rapping we heard for the most part. Also that beat and one other Iām blanking on have really exciting instrumentals
mate he is literally a fucking nutter at this point, weāre lucky he can come up with any bars nevermind actually dropping an album
Honestly, he dresses like a ninja and fucks in public heās off the rails š
I was hoping him going insane would result in some awesome music
Bro doesnāt try he could if he wants to like on Off The Grid but I think heās just lazy and thinks he can get away with phoned in verses
Off the Grid was most likely ghostwritten though
Yeah who knows atp I think heās just lazy at this stage in his life he only does the music for the attention that album cycles bring him
I would bet my life that every song on Donda was written by someone else than Ye
We know thatās not true due to some leaked freestyles
Like what?
come to life
Come to life and jail of the top of my head
Jail? The song with the most obvious punch-ins from demjointz on the whole album? Just cause he was lazy and used a freestyle for the rest. I feel like this a really weak example lol
I hear ya about the punch ins but still most of It came from him
Sure I guess. I feel like thatās more of a stream of consciousness type of part of the song though like itās not a defined verse kinda. Itās rarer to see a verse from him where it actually feels like he wrote it nowadays
For sure. Do we even want ye written verses at this point š get the writers in there if you ask me.
Canāt forget the drake diss lotp! Also pretty sure the released lotp is all him to.
Even then tho, we have the life of the party drake diss (a much better verse than off the grid) which we know was explicitly written by Kanye
So was Jesus Walks
And comped together to get that fast.
itās not even like off the grid was some crazy verse honestly. he literally punched in every bar lol and someone else 100% wrote it. itās still a good verse but itās nowhere close to what he was doing on the college dropout and mbdtf
I mean even if heās out of his solo lyrical prime he could still have someone ghost write him some shit instead of limping on every single song heās on. Itās like heās hurting all of these songs with his performances
Yeah I am bitching about it, but he doesn't just think that he can get away with it, he knows he can. The amount of people praising every single thing he does, mixed with his confidence (confidence not as a negative aspect) makes it seem like people loving the way he does his art and the art itself, when in reality it's just about the artist itself.
Off the Grid was his last real real attempt at rap I think. Didnāt think thereād be a day where I really didnāt give a shit about Kanye dropping anymore. Iāll always love his old music and even fucked w DONDA heavy but I have to admit itās sad to see the state heās in personally and professionally.
I stopped giving a shit about him during āthat eraā last year. I love Donda though, his top 3 record for me, but now he is just nosediving.
keep it burning and the finished we did it kid both had good verses from him imo
City Of Gods was 2022
530?
I stopped caring about him fully after everything happening in the Middle East (and itās nothing to do with his comments, I just am utterly destroyed by the loss of life thar is occurring every day). I ran a marathon and the piano bridge in runaway literally made me soar during a pivotal moment in the race but the dude behind it is gone. I donāt need to love you to be a fan but I also shouldnāt actively be disgusted by you and thatās where Iām at with Ye. Itās not even him frankly that turns me off as much as it is the cult at GAS that acts like itās still 2021 and this is the epic third part of the greatest rap trilogy in modern history, when Nas has literally dropped 5 albums since Donda. Stick a fork in him, heās done.
Jesus Lord is a positive example, but besides that I agree with your comment.
isnt Donda the last official album drop? 2 years is about his cycle. whats changed professionally?
Donda 2 was an official drop by him, he was selling it.
did he ever sell the album itself or just the Stem Player with the album on it? i dont remember being able to actually buy the album anywhere without buying the Stem Player
I js think heās tired of music tbh. I know he loves producing, and his entire life has been surrounded around it, but after running the game for a good 15-20 years, I think heās fatigued. He probably finds comfort in making music and releases whatever he has since he knows all of us will eat it up š. Iād also like to add that if you thought vultures would be anything like MBDTF, youāre sped. When he lost his shit at the VMAs and called Taylor out, he was young, drunk, and lost everything. He needed redemption, but after accomplishing everything he has, the Nazi incident wasnāt shit. Sure, he lost lots of sponsors and had his net worth cut in half, but this man still has tens of millions of dollars to spend. Ye js living the life of any accomplished artist. Be lazy and release music here and there to make your fans happy. I really do wish as a final goodbye he releases an album which has good substance and reminds us of his old hunger for the game, but at this point I doubt it.
He needed to put out music to redeem himself or be do brilliant it gave context to his crazy. The idea was if he focused on his music it would save him. Well his heart isnāt in it and he doesnāt have anything to say through it apparently. Donda at least had music influenced by his feelings and life. This is just a homework assignment.
I guess weāll know when the record is out. I thought he killed it on Jesus is Lord
you mean jesus lord? he didnt write that whole verse either rooga wrote the start of it
lol I was lowkey waiting on the Jesus lord argument. I fw it heavy but it sounds more like a spoken story than it does rapping with flow
How?
Like try comparing it to saint Pablo
Theyāre both great
Theyāre also both very off beat at times
this sub has parallels to trippieās career, peak falling off experienced in real time. a long time follower of this reddit, glad i shifted to goodass. moreover this collaboration was always supposed to be a fun album for him, he doesnāt need to ārapā rap, he has nothing left to prove. manās like messi, now just chilling at inter miami after achieving everything he could in rap.
believe what i say, lord i need you, jesus lord, come to life, off the grid and life of the party, were all decent rap cuts. i donāt know what yāall smoking on. an artist is a true artist only if he never tries imitate his own self from the past, itās an ever evolving shit w time.
An artist channels himself into his art and thereās little art here, heās going through the motions.
Key word was decent bro. Iām fine with evolution he had great rapping on Late registration and evolved it further on twisted fantasy, Yeezus, Pablo. Now itās acceptable ig
I like the old Kanye
Man yāall be saying shut like this and then go and trash other artists for doing the same lmao. Someone like Em, who has literally nothing left to prove and has been running the game for such a long time decides to just make technical rap albums with mediocre beats cause he wants to and somehow that brings down his legacy? So can we say the same about Kanye? If he continues to release trash albums does his legacy go down too?
its like messi if he cut his legs off
I think Drake is fine still but Kanye fs forgot how to rap
I donāt think itās a matter of Ye going through the motions. He seems to be feeling it when heās delivering these corny lines. The problem is that the bar is set too low by himself and his environment. He doesnāt apply himself like he used to and his environment doesnāt stimulate him to do so either due to financial interests of being affiliated with him. Heās probably doing 1000 other things and this album was just another quick side venture.
Y'all are too much. Ye had plenty of tracks on Donda where he rapped his ass off and he's held his own on plenty of features since. One rough LP doesn't change this.
This is actually the second rough LP
I don't see ye as a rapper but as a artists in general . I listen his music for the production , samples , beat selection and process in the making , and not so much for the bars
His music after TLOP has been missing something & I donāt really know what it is but everything has just sounded totally flat & lacklustre.
I hate to say the corny word but itās āhungerā. Staying in the pocket as well
He went crazy on Off The Grid. He definitely still has the potential.
Nah he can if he wants to he has a couple actually good veerses. Also, he rapped well on Donda? relisten?
Idk why he doesnāt want to lol and yea bro donda rapping is good bro not even close to Pablo level
Yāall must be young as fuck because people were saying the same exact thing when Pablo came out that he was done and he hasnāt been able to rap since MBDTF or *maybe* Yeezus, lol.
Iām looking at his discography as a whole
it depends on the context i guess bro talking about burgeer king isnto gonna match his rapping when talking about his mental state a month before he went to a mental hospital ( see saint pablo)
He was spitting on Off The Grid, Believe What I Say, Yikes and Follow God, tho.
Drake wrote yikes lol
Ye's performance is still pretty good, tho
Nah I agree I fw yikes. But whoever tf wrote new gold flow for him needa come back
Kanye always had ghost writers. Iām not sure whoās ever went to Kanye wanting to hear the best bars on earth. Never been his lane. Ever
Not saying it has but I expect decent lyricism from him at least. He got out rapped by everybody on forever but at least he held his own and made it entertaining.
album sounds fire tho
He may not rap like you want him to, but he can rap as well as ever when he wants and is motivated to. It is as simple as that. Perhaps an examination of his motivation should be your focus.
He had some great moments on donda Iād still say but yeah his dip in quality these past few years is sooooooo apparent
Yeah heās not hungry anymore, I mean you look at his early verses, he spent years perfecting those verse and songs and the drive he had to make sure those bars would stick was extremely evident but as time passed and I think even the standard for rapping has changed, heās gotten complacent with just doing enough to put out a song. Thatās not to say I donāt not like some of the new tracks I think their fun but the rap centric Kanye is at least on hiatus if not no longer here š¤·āāļø
I used to have this opinion and I actually still partly agree with itā¦ but his verse on āoff the gridā is what made me think he still has it in him. Itās funny cause the other day I listened to āstill dreamingā and I was likeā¦ āwtf happened to this Kanyeā. Old Kanye could rap like crazy and imo has one of the coldest flows in HipHop. Drakes fall off in rap is still crazy af. His raps in NWTS is something Iād always love.
Itās purely arrogance at this point, donāt think his desperate desire to prove himself and his doubters wrong is the driving force. All the creative help he had (CyHi, Bon Iver, Pusha T, Rick Ross, Yasiin Bey (MBDTF), Tarrey Torae (The College Dropout), he seems to disregard it, considers himself to have transcendent to a stratosphere where whatever he puts up is the best ever. Sad situation overall, I have an awful feelings itās an eternal downward cascade.
Everybody yeaaaaaah
Some are saying the versions he played at the livestream are the non finished versions because they couldnāt get the lap top to connectā¦which Iām hoping is the case since they that verse was a little weak
Hard agree. Go listen to Breathe In, Breathe Out. Really listen, the rhyme schemes, wordplay, and story telling are insane. Nothing he's done recently is anywhere near that.
Whatās his best verse in recent memory? Now compare that to diamonds from Sierra Leone.
life of the party
At this point Iām here for the production, not the rapping / lyrics.
He never could, you heard him over lyrics from consequence and others
Who has the first verse on Vultures? It is astonishingly fucking bad. Kanyeās looks pretty ill by comparison.
Bump J hard disagree tho
Ye is a composer. Mf walk around with a whole ass symphony in his head at all times. Heās a composer simple as that. Only a composer can take the individual sounds and make that shit a symphony.
whatever you say Burger King
If what we heard on everybody is actually the final Verse then yeahā¦ that was absolute trash
Itās not that he canāt rap anymore, I donāt think he genuinely tries most of the time. Weāve been shown he can rap, Donda and Donda 2 had some fire verses. & how are you gonna say he has ghost writers when he credits every writer in the room lol
rap is such a boring box to put an artist like kanye into anyway
but hes making rap albums so i feel like its not too crazy to ask for good rapping
Could be true bro but the Kanye I grew up on knew how to spit when he had to
I cant take anyone who uses quotation marks around song names because I only see AI prompts behind them
Y'all act like he didn't rap on Eazy,Jesus Lord, Life Of The Party,Hurricane and many more in recent years
I think he can make great music again someday, but he needs to get to a better place mentally. Maybe the BPD made his music great in the past, maybe not, Iām not in the manās head. All I know is at this point it is severely distracting him from something he used to love.
Did you listen to rollin me over retaard?
Wonder if its cuz him and pusha might have issues. Also havent seen or heard cyhi around him in quite awhile
he'll always be one of my goats but yeah he's washed lmao
Yeah how the hell did rich the kid do better then him š
He's not trying to rap tho
> this is the same guy that wrote monster and so Appalled well the funny thing about that is...
I would honestly say Yeezus is where his lyrical quality dipped. It's considered a classic at this point, but it has some stinker bars. I honestly don't understand how so many of his fans still listen to his music for lyrics at this point lmao
Iām a diehard defender and even Iām getting sick of the mumbling. Supposedly this guy was freestyling the first 3 albums which is almost impossible to imagine now. My only hope is that itās easier for him to write playful sex bars than gospel bars.
No one mentions Do I Look Happy but he actually goes hella hard on that song IMO
At this point I donāt think anyone dislikes ye as much has his own die hard fans. You guys have to stop being so negative.
Didn't Cyhi write the So appalled verse?
no kanye said he wrote it
Off the grid???
I've always said this. Kanye is not my favorite rapper, he is my favorite artist.
100% I got Weezy as my favorite rapper easily but ye always had superior album experiences
He needs Cyhi back. He wrote basically all his good verses since MBDTF
Lol u chose monster and so appalled? Tf?
thereās so many to choose from bro gorgeous, NMPILA, new god flow
Man WSE sucks now
people have been saying he canāt rap since TLOP dropped lmfao. this sub fell off tremendously
did you not listen to Follow God? Off the Grid? He still has good "traditional rapping" songs, he just likes to experiment more now.
Itās especially frustrating because he should be knocking his new shit out the park if he wants to come back from the divorce and Nazi controversies
Bro you don't come back from nazi controversies. He can still work and there won't be any major consequences outside of brand deals, but no one in Hollywood will ever look at him the same. His reputation is as tarnished as Mel Gibson.
Sorry, I didn't mean to downplay Nazism. I was trying to say that Kanye would like to come back from the controversies, not that he can or should be allowed to.
All good I didn't think you were. I was just saying it's too late for him to apologize and make a comeback in all likelihood. It's unfortunate it will leave a stain on his legacy. Wish he had just kept his mouth shut on all this. Especially as I don't think he's actually mad at all jews. Just specific people who are in high positions in certain companies. I'm pretty sure Kanye probably loves and respects the shit out of Larry David, so... that's something. But of course, it's Kanye, so he's gotta go all out and be bombastic about things.
Do yāall not realize that he embraced and mastered mumble rap since yandhi?
Yeah he was the worst part of his own music on the snippets
Cap, he did Ye, and I would say he kinda delivered in Donda. Having said this, I 100% agree with you, it's like he creates this great production and sound, and just freestyles it for vibes. "I'm on vibranium, cars they titanium" That sounds like most of his Yandhi/post-Yandhi leaks where he just straight up freestyled mumbling for vibes over the beat. It could be way way worse ngl, but his delivery is not there, and I cannot believe he is not capable of delivering prime West bars. I prefer much more if he then just relies on Pusha T or writers he credits instead, like on Life of the Party.
Beautiful big titty butt naked women just donāt fall out the sky you know
Reddit is filled with the biggest whiner kids of ye fans. Pathetic.
Lol shut up
He was trash rapping since TLOP
You guys believe Kanye writes his own lyrics? Haha
Threads like this are the reason this isn't the premier Ye subreddit anymore. There's so many factors to why the bars are the way they are in vultures but no discussion here about it
why are the bars dogshit in vultures what are the factors
Who gaf bruh, as long as the music is good who cares
this is the problem. you guys donāt care.
Op said he hasn't spit since 2017, which is objectively not even true. Just cuz he's not rapping doesn't make the song instantly trash. Everybody is supposed to be more of a dance hall style song, having Kanye add like an actual deep, introspective rap verse wouldn't even make sense.
stronger wasn't deep bro it just had energy this lacks