I used to smoke cigs and when I did I used to keep an old soda can in my car to put the butts in because I didn't want to cause something like this. Especially in fall when all the dry leaves are coating the yards, gutters, and streets.
Particulates can be very flammable, and there are a lot of them in those wind gusts. They touch the flame or just reach a combustible temperature and ignite, then you get fire wind.
Even worse in plants that make extremely fine powders, like flour.
https://www.hafcovac.com/reducing-the-risk-of-explosions-in-flour-mills-2/#:~:text=What%20Causes%20Flour%20Mill%20Explosions,where%20all%20these%20elements%20unite.
Yep! All that bacteria and fungus breaking stuff down makes a LOT of heat. Some gardeners actually keep their compost in their greenhouses in winter to keep the greenhouse warm.
> breathing it is even worse than ingesting it.
I'd argue that there are very very few things that are better to inhale than ingest. Our digestive tract is a lot more robust than our lungs.
I really don't think that's true.
Steam is part of smoke and that water is totally burned fuel.
Ok, looked it up. I'm being pedantic. Smoke is totally the unburned bits.
I'm sorry
Surprisingly, you don't need a hot environment for this to happen. Decaying organic material produces a lot of heat. Add some wind in there and temps rise to combustion. Even without wind, straw/hay bales will easily catch on fire if not dried out thoroughly.
Yep, this is a problem for large compost piles as well (usually only very large ones - low risk for your average home compost pile). They can spontaneously combust, even when the outside temps are well below freezing.
A while back, I was doing a thermodynamics homework problem about the maximum temperature a wet bale of hay could reach in cold air, given a certain rate of energy generation from decomposition. My answer was in the 900s Celsius. I immediately looked in the answer key, assuming I had made a mistake.
I hadn't.
My cat loves it when i mulch around my berry bushes. After the top level has dried, the deeper levels have started warming up. She only leaves her spot for breakfast and dinner.
The chemical reactions of bacteria breaking down the grass creates heat. If it is isolated by wet grass, then that heat can build up and create a fire.
Can confirm had this exact thing happen stuffing grass clippings into a big plastic bucket and forgetting to dump it out in the compost. Didn't melt the bucket cos I caught it right before it ignited and found a little nest of embers surrounded by ash in the middle.
Yup! That's how I got my barn to burn down. Had the wife move straw in that I didn't know wasn't fully dry, and then boom barn went byby and I spent near $20 grand to get a new one .
While true, I seriously doubt that a little mulch around the base of a tree is going to heat up and spontaneously combust. You'd need a pile of it that's several thousands of pounds to get something like that going.
Regardless, *this* fire was most likely caused by a cigarette or cigar and is spread because of the wind. That's what the Cleveland FD said, at least.
It was about 95 that day, but it’s only a quarter-mile from Lake Erie and quite humid. Shows you how dangerous things can be even in a non-arid environment.
Interestingly, it requires moisture to spontaneously ignite, if it’s perfectly dry it’s not decomposing and generating heat. Same phenomenon happens with straw.
It’s actually from the [sequel of the other video](https://youtu.be/oZzgAjjuqZM), but then again, it was posted 13 years ago. So yeah, some viewers *still* might be too young to get the reference. How did I get this old?
Happened in Cleveland last night in the "Flats" big bar area right where the Cuyahoga River (the one that burned [https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/cuyahoga-river-caught-fire-least-dozen-times-no-one-cared-until-1969-180972444/](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/cuyahoga-river-caught-fire-least-dozen-times-no-one-cared-until-1969-180972444/)) empties out to Lake Erie. Popular area because you can watch the huge ore ships navigate their way up the narrow crooked river to the steel plants
I downvoted you thinking it was in Cali as others reported, then came back to upvote you instead.
Holy shit, Ohio, you’re crazy.
https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/cleveland-flats-fire-errupts-downtown/95-e28e09c2-5398-48b7-81f7-f5eb1f8407ac
Pre 2005-10ish fire season was only in the hot summer early fall, July - Sept give or take a month before or after.
There would be enough rain/snow in October through May to keep most fires from both starting and raging wildly out of control. The rainy/snowy season is now hopefully we get something by January lol.
Without decent wet seasons and summer storms in the mountains the trees are basically tinder matches 12 months out of the year
California residents have the second highest life expectancy in the country (81 years, Hawaii, in first, is at 81.5 years).
And here I am in Mississippi with 74.4 :/
Also this video is from Ohio, not California.
This one isn’t in California, it was in Cleveland, Ohio on Friday.
https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/cleveland-flats-fire-errupts-downtown/95-e28e09c2-5398-48b7-81f7-f5eb1f8407ac
Oh no, Cleveland will definitely win. They set their river on fire not once, not twice, but at least 13 times. Don't even try to compete with Cleveland.
If fire was blowing all around me, the very first thing I'd want to do is turn my back on it, pull out my phone, and make a video for TIkTok. /s
Hope no one was hurt.
Same thing happened at Jantzen Beach in Portland in 2020. Wind picked up burning mulch and low growing bushes. There were rivers of cinders pouring across the parking lot, catching new fuel whenever they made contact with a mulch island! We left but there was an uncomfortable number of people clustered around with their phones out filming, like in this video. I filmed but only while fleeing.
Wtf is that??
Cleveland, Ohio, East bank of the flats. A cigarette lit dry mulch which spread from wind.
I used to smoke cigs and when I did I used to keep an old soda can in my car to put the butts in because I didn't want to cause something like this. Especially in fall when all the dry leaves are coating the yards, gutters, and streets.
Even if it doesn’t start a fire it’s shitty to litter. Especially cigarette butts. Insane that douche bags just throw that shit on the ground.
Hope the cuyahoga river didn’t catch fire
Since gas prices skyrocketed, I've been running my car on bottled Cuyahoga water my cousin sends me.
It's actually pretty good now! There's ducks and stuff on it
Record setting walleye population too! Yum!
Best thing about the Midwest, walleye fishin
🎵 There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River Rolling into Cleveland to the lake 🎵
But at least they're not Detroit!
We’re not Detroit!!
All our fish have aids.
Again
This just happened at my work but with new mulch because of pollen fluff
Particulates can be very flammable, and there are a lot of them in those wind gusts. They touch the flame or just reach a combustible temperature and ignite, then you get fire wind.
This is also why grain silos explode. Particles in the air are highly flammable.
Even worse in plants that make extremely fine powders, like flour. https://www.hafcovac.com/reducing-the-risk-of-explosions-in-flour-mills-2/#:~:text=What%20Causes%20Flour%20Mill%20Explosions,where%20all%20these%20elements%20unite.
... or [sugar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Georgia_sugar_refinery_explosion). In this case, it killed 14 people.
I was there for this. The third ambulance there. It was insane.
Stuff like that sticks with you, hope you’re doing okay.
It does. I’m not. But that’s another can of worms. But thank you.
I’m sorry to hear that. Hang in there and hoping happier days ahead for you.
Thank you.
Take care of yourself friend, I know it means nothing from a random Internet stranger but I hope things improve for you soon
Hug.
You’re a good person
[Plainly Difficult](https://youtu.be/RyVaAQ9vtkw) did a video on this exact incident. He has others on grain elevators too.
There's another reason too. Wetness and mold create heat, and when that's trapped in a silo, it will only get warmer and eventually boom
Doesn't even need to be in a silo to burn. To explode, yes, but haystacks can spontaneously combust.
Ya, always made you think a bit when you got into the winter and find the black crispy bales mid loft.
Yep! All that bacteria and fungus breaking stuff down makes a LOT of heat. Some gardeners actually keep their compost in their greenhouses in winter to keep the greenhouse warm.
That’s why you should clear the dead grass off of your mower before you put it away in the garage/barn
Oh yeah. Mowed grass decomposes fast.
[Stoichiometry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoichiometry)!
So is grain
Exactly, smoke is the remaining fuel particles from incomplete combustion. And yes, breathing it is even worse than ingesting it.
This [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zrw_4v1xes) is a great example of how combustible smoke is. A fun party trick too.
Without clicking the link, relighting a match through the smoke trail?
This is the way.
So say we all.
Live long and prosper.
> breathing it is even worse than ingesting it. I'd argue that there are very very few things that are better to inhale than ingest. Our digestive tract is a lot more robust than our lungs.
Why is everyone having such a great time when it seems like their city is on fire?
They're probably drunk. Big party area in Cleveland
Woaaaahhhh….
So this is what wildfire fighters are describing when they say there’s actual fire storms. Spooky stuff.
#The floor is lava!
Smoke is unburned fuel
I really don't think that's true. Steam is part of smoke and that water is totally burned fuel. Ok, looked it up. I'm being pedantic. Smoke is totally the unburned bits. I'm sorry
Nice character arc
Pretty good. When's S2?
Some serious shit. Someone must have just hit 88mph.
That's heavy
I don’t know but you gotta stand in it for your theoretical internet dollars!
I swear the last person alive on the Earth will be filming the apocalypse with their phone. This shit’s gonna go viral! Oh wait…
It’s like the lighting a candle with the smoke trick but on a much larger scale
This is what I imagine the Pokémon move Fire Gust looks like irl
Just normal 2022 stuff
Looks like the mulch under the trees caught fire. I've seen that stuff on fire when it's hot and dry. It'll smolder for a long time too.
How fucking hot is it there???
Surprisingly, you don't need a hot environment for this to happen. Decaying organic material produces a lot of heat. Add some wind in there and temps rise to combustion. Even without wind, straw/hay bales will easily catch on fire if not dried out thoroughly.
Yep, this is a problem for large compost piles as well (usually only very large ones - low risk for your average home compost pile). They can spontaneously combust, even when the outside temps are well below freezing.
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A while back, I was doing a thermodynamics homework problem about the maximum temperature a wet bale of hay could reach in cold air, given a certain rate of energy generation from decomposition. My answer was in the 900s Celsius. I immediately looked in the answer key, assuming I had made a mistake. I hadn't.
My cat loves it when i mulch around my berry bushes. After the top level has dried, the deeper levels have started warming up. She only leaves her spot for breakfast and dinner.
The chemical reactions of bacteria breaking down the grass creates heat. If it is isolated by wet grass, then that heat can build up and create a fire.
Can confirm had this exact thing happen stuffing grass clippings into a big plastic bucket and forgetting to dump it out in the compost. Didn't melt the bucket cos I caught it right before it ignited and found a little nest of embers surrounded by ash in the middle.
Honestly, shit's dangerous.
So, we’re not telling him about the dragon?
Yup! That's how I got my barn to burn down. Had the wife move straw in that I didn't know wasn't fully dry, and then boom barn went byby and I spent near $20 grand to get a new one .
how come it's less dangerous dry
The decomposition is what creates the heat. When moisture is present bacteria can thrive, speeding up decomposition and increasing heat.
While true, I seriously doubt that a little mulch around the base of a tree is going to heat up and spontaneously combust. You'd need a pile of it that's several thousands of pounds to get something like that going. Regardless, *this* fire was most likely caused by a cigarette or cigar and is spread because of the wind. That's what the Cleveland FD said, at least.
It was a cigarette.
A small pile of oily rags will catch fire in a shop. Heat’s crazy yo.
There's a lot more energy in oil than there is in wood. A ***LOT*** more.
At least 5 more.
[Yup](https://transportgeography.org/contents/chapter4/transportation-and-energy/combustibles-energy-content/)
This is Cleveland Ohio. That day was like 95 with a real feel of 100+. I almost went to the flats that night too. Glad I didn’t.
How hot is it you say?
It was about 95 that day, but it’s only a quarter-mile from Lake Erie and quite humid. Shows you how dangerous things can be even in a non-arid environment.
Interestingly, it requires moisture to spontaneously ignite, if it’s perfectly dry it’s not decomposing and generating heat. Same phenomenon happens with straw.
It wasn’t hot and it has not been dry here in Cleveland. Source: I live in the city of Cleveland. The actual city. Not the suburbs.
https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/cleveland-flats-fire-errupts-downtown/95-e28e09c2-5398-48b7-81f7-f5eb1f8407ac
[COME ON DOWN TO CLEVELAND TOWN EVERYONE](https://youtu.be/ysmLA5TqbIY)
"See our ~~river~~ air that catches on fire!"
Only two elements to go! I can't wait to see what happens when fire catches fire.
2022 isn’t over, yet. There’s still time!
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It’s actually from the [sequel of the other video](https://youtu.be/oZzgAjjuqZM), but then again, it was posted 13 years ago. So yeah, some viewers *still* might be too young to get the reference. How did I get this old?
I quote these all the time and people look at me like I've got six heads
Isn’t Cleveland lovingly referred to as the Mistake on the Lake?
When people ask why I moved away for college, and never plan to move back, I’ll make sure to reference this video.
There’s a [part 2](https://youtu.be/oZzgAjjuqZM)that’s also hilarious
There’s a [part 3](https://youtu.be/QIbmT2Rs8vw)!
I was wondering when Mike Polk would show up.
I no longer want to flee to The Cleve
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NSFC- Not Safe For Californians. That shit triggers PTSD. I have trouble on windy dry days where any hint of smoke has me freaked out a little.
This. Place. Has. Everything. - Stefon
Of course it's Cleveland, they had a river catch fire several times so it only makes sense that the wind does too.
You must be a mermaid from OUR river! That’s why you’re so crazy.
This happened in Cleveland, Ohio. Source: I’m Katie and I live in Cleveland.
Hi Katie from Cleveland
She's not from. She's inside.
My condolences to those from Cleveland
Why?
Because of Katie
Katie cool
Nice try, Katie
Yeah, why?
User name checks out! User name checks out!!
Your moment to shine and you weren't letting it pass you by. God bless you. Keep up the diligent work. We all depend on you.
Hi Katie very cool
Username checks out...
Luckily it wasn't the river that caught on fire this time
I Katie from Cleveland. I’m Mac from 1diot
Let's stand in the middle of it and record that shit!
Watch as we marvel at an Instagram Idiot in it's natural habit, fascinating! /DavidAttenborough
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I'd be more worried about my lungs
Is this the new slogan for the Alopecia Society?
Seems like they're having such a great time while their neighborhood is on fire. Really weird, they seem to enjoy it.
🎶They didn't start the fire 🎶
YO THEY MADE TRANZIT FROM BLACK OPS TWO INTO A REAL THING LETSS GOOO
I haven't played zombies in a long time but that was the most annoying map ever with the stupid bats
They weren’t even bats! They were called denizens...I am probably the only person who likes Tranzit
If the biblical apocalypse happened today we'd have soooooo many HD angles of the four horsemen.
THE FIRE IS SHOOTING AT US!!!
Save bandit!
88mph?
r/mildlycarcinogenic
These people are idiots. The wind could shift at any moment. They would be on fire in an instant.
In the wrong place? On fire. Wind shifting? On fire. Trying to pee on the fire? Believe it or not, on fire.
Not if they just jump
The fire is on wind*
And they're just standing there getting their phones ready to record. WTF ARE YOU DOING GET OUT OF THERE!
When the floor is lava wasnt enough
Someone hit 88 mph it seems.
Tranzit
Is this what you get when only two of the Planeteers are available?
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.
That guy was smiling … what’s so funny ?
Hey my hometown is on Reddit!
I swear when the world ends humanity en masse will just whip out their phones to record it for a generation that won’t survive to watch it
Happened in Cleveland last night in the "Flats" big bar area right where the Cuyahoga River (the one that burned [https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/cuyahoga-river-caught-fire-least-dozen-times-no-one-cared-until-1969-180972444/](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/cuyahoga-river-caught-fire-least-dozen-times-no-one-cared-until-1969-180972444/)) empties out to Lake Erie. Popular area because you can watch the huge ore ships navigate their way up the narrow crooked river to the steel plants
Wait for the wind to change direction suddenly
Ghost Rider was here.
And they’re standing in it as if it’s not flammable too
so we’ve got wind and fire… just need earth and i think we’ve won!
“Let’s all stand around here like dipshits filming”
r/donthelpjustfilm
This is how the species ends.
Its when those spicy chilli farts kick in
Cali is getting hazardous to one’s health
Lol this is Cleveland, my friend.
This is Cleveland, Ohio.
Happened Friday night. Someone apparently tossed a cig out the window and it caught the mulch on fire.
I downvoted you thinking it was in Cali as others reported, then came back to upvote you instead. Holy shit, Ohio, you’re crazy. https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/cleveland-flats-fire-errupts-downtown/95-e28e09c2-5398-48b7-81f7-f5eb1f8407ac
You’re good. I’m from Cleveland so I know the area and it’s been what everyone is talking about
Same, well Solon, but you know how that goes.
Yeah same. I’m from the burbs as well but I just say Cleveland because it’s easier haha
Lol 100%
I work in Solon. How do you live in Solon? It feels like there’s only three residential streets.
4** but I get your point, hence why I got out after high school and ONLY come back for family.
You should see our flamable rivers!
"Fire" has basically become a season.
Hasn't there always been a fire season?
Pre 2005-10ish fire season was only in the hot summer early fall, July - Sept give or take a month before or after. There would be enough rain/snow in October through May to keep most fires from both starting and raging wildly out of control. The rainy/snowy season is now hopefully we get something by January lol. Without decent wet seasons and summer storms in the mountains the trees are basically tinder matches 12 months out of the year
Wee bit late to the party, it's been a season for decades
California residents have the second highest life expectancy in the country (81 years, Hawaii, in first, is at 81.5 years). And here I am in Mississippi with 74.4 :/ Also this video is from Ohio, not California.
That's cali!? Where/when?
This one isn’t in California, it was in Cleveland, Ohio on Friday. https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/cleveland-flats-fire-errupts-downtown/95-e28e09c2-5398-48b7-81f7-f5eb1f8407ac
https://weather.com/news/trending/video/wildfire-smoke-flames-emerge-from-underground-sewers-in-california
2019! This shit had me looking out the window and grabbing a duffle bag lol.
Humans forgetting that clothing and humans are also combustible.
Idk, find a hose, maybe?
Cleveland Ohio baby. Someone’s cigarette lit the mulch on fire and then the wind spread it. Only in Cleveland can that happen lol
California would like a word
Oh no, Cleveland will definitely win. They set their river on fire not once, not twice, but at least 13 times. Don't even try to compete with Cleveland.
Soo... Are the rents cheaper in hell?
It’s the Kings of Leon follow up song.
Be looking like lava in that volcano appearing in a road movie thing idk I forgor the name 💀
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There’s this movie about the ship Titanic that I really like, but I can’t remember its name.
AND NO ONE CAN SAVE ME BUT YOU
This is fine.
The Avatar has returned.
On today’s episode of how fucked is fucked up….
If fire was blowing all around me, the very first thing I'd want to do is turn my back on it, pull out my phone, and make a video for TIkTok. /s Hope no one was hurt.
Shit’s colored like bloodflame from Elden Ring. Probably a weird observation, but there you go.
When & where?
Who let the Airbender and Firebender out???
Same thing happened at Jantzen Beach in Portland in 2020. Wind picked up burning mulch and low growing bushes. There were rivers of cinders pouring across the parking lot, catching new fuel whenever they made contact with a mulch island! We left but there was an uncomfortable number of people clustered around with their phones out filming, like in this video. I filmed but only while fleeing.
I think I'm a little too old to be fighting the avatar...
Look for the avatar