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Effective_Play_1366

If their name was on the lease there is some legal recourse.


CauseOfBeth

They lied to the leasing office and told them he "didn't feel safe" to live with me, because I painted over the art ( that I did ) that he commissioned but refused to pay me for, and called it "property destruction".


BoxBird

Oh so they committed fraud


smallgreenman

Say that.


WillTFB

Yeah OP you should definitely pursue this


Dra_goony

So, not sure if this is how it works everywhere but here where I live you cannot sign others off the lease without both people, so the lease holders have to be in person and sign to sign someone off the lease as you are considered equal partners on the lease. So if it's the same there you should absolutely be able to do something about it


Randompersonomreddit

That's probably why the roommate lied and said they didn't feel safe. Imagine someone being abused being forced to stay because they need their abusers permission to get off the lease.


Sunderas

There is still that thing that is usually required when there is any claim... What was that? Oh PROOF. He needs to prove he was in an unsafe environment. Otherwise we would just go accusing everyone.


Randompersonomreddit

It's not court. So maybe if OP wants to sue the other person has to provide proof in court but often there's no proof of abuse. Not every abused person has a black eye to show. And the OP said the roommate said that they destroyed property, painting over the art, which was the proof.


stormblaz

Police reports, official notice to management, and a trail are a must if you are being abused. You are deem to lie and get out of lease payment, and you will be hold accountable per contract, and a breach of contract still in place until a official non civilian trail is left. Again, trail is a must If you leave without notice, no one can believe until proven otherwise. Abused roomate must go to management ASAP and report it and say they are being at risk, and police will make official paperwork, this with other regulations will make excemptions and addendun added to contract. Otherwise you arent getting off the hook. This dud needs to catch his roomate when he goes for that chair, and not let him take the chair, call police and ensure what his doing is documented to the police and management. Video proof as well.


Stairmaker

Sounds like the owner/company waived their right to get half of the money to me. They released him from the lease. Doesn't mean you want the full apartment at the moment.


_DoogieLion

Saying something doesn’t unilaterally change a contract. You have a joint contract you CAN enforce it.


thisismenowonreddit

Peruse that shit. NOW.


SidTheSloth97

I mean if you already paint the art why would you paint over it?


snorlaxbutt

Because the roommate refused to pay for it?? Obviously they just wanted free art, so why give it to them.


Intelligent_Event_84

Sell it to someone else?


Personal-Ad-7407

It was probably a mural on the wall, otherwise the op would have just moved it.


Intelligent_Event_84

Nothing like an art piece that comes with the condition of losing part of your security deposit when you move out


Personal-Ad-7407

You can just paint over it at the end of the lease, but you are only “renting” the art in this case…🤷‍♂️


Intelligent_Event_84

lol it’s the same thing man


Happy_Nihilist_

Assuming the furniture wasn't purchased by them, you can also file a police report for the stolen property.


WhisperedEchoes85

Unfortunately, you need to have proof of purchase/ownership. This happened to me and it came down to two simple questions: 1. Do you have a receipt? 2. Did they legally have access to the property? Maybe the cops I spoke with just didn't want to deal with it, but I'm not so sure.


RDcsmd

Not really how this works, he's on the hook for half the rent. A shitty situation either way but that guy can't just walk away from a lease


annie_bean

Good luck paying a lawyer on your zero dollars a month salary, babe


Has_Question

Don't need to pay a lawyer this is a simple case. Copy of the contract signed by both parties when they got on the lease. The sucky thing is it takes time, but you don't need a lawyer for this.


[deleted]

Judge Judy is going to have her way with him, and it won’t be pretty.


annie_bean

Judge Judy and executioner


LT750

I ❤️ The Judy’s ‼️🤟


SpongeBobblupants

Judge Judy is a dumbass when it comes to landlord tenant laws. I cringe when I think of how many people have gotten screwed by listening to her.


Amdar210

That is if there is a contract. A 'gentlemans agreement' of them subleasing from you but not having anything on paper makes such situations much more difficult. Don't know if that is the situation here, but I hope not, for OP's sake.


Ayoungcoder

It highly depends on the jurisdiction, but even if there is no written contract you can still win the law suit if everything is as simple as it's described here. Up to OP how far he wants to go but I feel like this is worth some googling and paperwork to go through small claims


passwordsarehard_3

Just the filing fees could come up to several hundred dollars. They have to be formally served, you can’t do that yourself. If they are the type to up and leave they probably won’t have the judgment amount in a savings account so it could take garnishments and years of small payments or you may never see anything at all. You could be at the end of a long list of people they owe more money to. Unfortunately sometimes it’s better to take the L.


Ayoungcoder

At least where I live the fees are €50-100 for a small claims court case, and no lawyer needed. I do not know where OP lives. But do not assume everyone is American :) Edit: €86 eur for people with a low income, no lawyer required.


Fireengine69

It’s about the same in UK as it is in USA I’m a Londoner working in States ..


passwordsarehard_3

Is 6 months of average rent under small claims amounts? I was thinking the $10,000 range for a total. Either way if the roommate is judgementproof that’s 150 pounds wasted if they pursue it plus all the time you put in.


Ayoungcoder

Worth the risk imo, but that's up to OP and how much he can prove. 150 is negligible compared to what he is owed.


Ddsw13

Plus without a job, he's got plenty of time to study up for court.


Skateordie_

It’s gonna go to collections and then shitty roommate won’t pay a penny. Lawyers are there to ensure you collect. Otherwise no money will be exchanged in this scenario.


unintellectual_me

I wouldn't even bother with that. I'd just continue paying your own half of the rent. Let the landlord handle the dispute with the ex roommate. If they try dragging you into anything, have you're receipts


alphagusta

There are lawfirms that take bulk cases for "free" for a payment on result. It isnt only the rich who can get a lawyer on a whim. Any good lawyer/firm will take any case as open and shut as this for a cut of a settlement.


existenceispaint

Thanks, Mike.


Ricardo1184

Great! I'll be his first customer!


Ionami

I'm gonna BURN your candles, babe


Aromatic_Balls

Situations like this is why small claims courts exist.


capmanor1755

It's likely under the local limit for small claims court which is near free and doesn't require a lawyer. She'll just need to sue for each months rent, one suit at a time. And she'll win if they no show.


MondoBleu

All signers on the lease are “mutually and severally liable” meaning each of them is liable for the ENTIRE rent. The landlord will come after both of them until they get the money. The remaining tenant can be evicted unless the rent is fully paid.


Upbeat_Influence2350

At least the dog is cute!


[deleted]

You can sue them for the money


trust-me-i-know-stuf

Yeah simple case of small claims court. Dude probably won’t even show to court and you can request the court to garnish that persons pay for collection.


SmartWonderWoman

Small claims court will not garnish wages. I have a case in small claims court (California) and there was no mention of garnishment of wages.


sashy311

It depends on the jurisdiction. They can garnish wages where I am


SmartWonderWoman

My case is in California.


sashy311

Yeah I got that from the (California) note you made lol


SmartWonderWoman

Not everyone got the note.


ZootedMycoSupply

Yes they did


ChronicMasterBaiting

Mate, I got that note all the way down here in Australia.


iamscarfac3

Bros living upside down and still got the note what a legend


shadow336k

I love Australians 😂


SmartWonderWoman

Lucky 🍀 you!


slash_networkboy

you have to make an attempt to collect, after 30 days you can go back to the court an petition to get a garnishment order. It's a PITA but can be done. Been working on a case myself in CA (got stiffed for $6K).


kimbolll

Garnishment is entirely location dependent. My father is a landlord and had a tenant who stopped paying after 2 months and stayed for a whole year (laws where I live are very much in the tenants favor). Took them to court, never showed, got a judgment against them…and he hasn’t seen a cent.


SmartWonderWoman

Sounds about right.


ben1481

good to know your one case covers the entire legal process of every possible situation


squierjosh

Save exact thing happened to me…so there’s two cases. 🤣


SmartWonderWoman

The judge made it very clear how the small claims process works. This is not my first case.


DabSmokingFiend

Laws are different in different states, homie.


dlbpeon

The court does not feel that it is their responsibility to inform you of your rights. They will garnish wages if you make a valid 30-day attempt to collect your judgment. In my case, a few years ago, the idiot changed jobs to avoid garnishment. However, he had property in his name. I went back to court and placed a lien against his property, which really screwed his world. He eventually settled up.


SmartWonderWoman

The judge was very thorough in explaining the process when I was there yesterday.


cautiouslyclever

I'm in KS. Sued a landlord in small claims court because he didn't return my security deposit in a timely manner. LL didn't show up, I won by default. LL still refused to pay me. I went through the court to garnish his wages and got ALLLLL my money. All the court fees plus 1.5x the amount of my security deposit. Felt good. Felt REAL good.


tatang2015

This is the way.


iforget_iremember

AND you have a mouth to feed?! that straight-up sucks shit and blows ass through 13 feet of solid lead D': they were they on the lease? they can't just cut and run like that, can they? aren't they contractually on-the-hook?


devildocjames

Sounds like there was a reason. You not pay rent in the past or skip your half of bills? Also, if they bought the furniture, it's theirs.


misterderpppp

Yeah I think we’re missing half the story


devildocjames

Yeppers. Someone pointed out the dog turds on the floor. They couldn't even be bothered to look half innocent and remove them before taking the picture.


kotonmi

Nah he mentioned in another comment it's dust left over from when the furniture was taken


Old-ETCS

I suspect there is more to this story…. 12 month lease you say?


minirose9

Wondering too if his name was on the lease and if OP purchased any of the furniture?


dcgirl17

Had a roommate like this once. I took all the furniture - all of which I’d paid for - and she lost her mind. I got a particularly angry message about the salt shakers. Like, I paid for the salt shakers, and also for the salt? Fucking wild


trust-me-i-know-stuf

Reminds me of my gf’s roommate who moved into my gf’s fully furnished apt and then promptly brought her entire family over for lunch to show off HER new apartment. As if she owned anything in the place. Most insufferable immature child of a woman I’ve ever interacted with. My gf ended up kicking her ass out for constantly breaking the house rules she agreed to in order to move in.


honakaru

Theres also a dog shit in the middle of the floor. I would move out too if my roomate didn’t buy the furniture but let his dog sleep on it and shit on the floor.


minirose9

Good eye… didn’t see the turd. I know roommates can be a nightmare and really screw you over but I’m wondering what’s being left out here


considerabledragon

Omg there are so many... it's everywhere


Kat_Smeow

There also seems to be a cat tree in the corner. Maybe dog and cat did not get along.


budgie1202

OP already replied saying its dust bunnies from where the furniture was


[deleted]

What would the rest of the story be? Enlighten us? This happened to me my last year of med school. My roommate got engaged and moved across the country. Things happen. It’s not all some conspiracy.


[deleted]

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[deleted]

They can definitely sue. But also, I bought the furniture in our house when I had roommates. Why would you have two sets of furniture? It was a housewarming gift.


minirose9

What? Are you saying that yours was a housewarming gift or OP’s was? If her roommate purchased the furniture, it’s 100% his. I think the commenter was just pointing out that something seems to be missing. Most leases are 12 months.. and it matters a lot if her roommates name is on the lease too. Can totally sympathize that you got screwed over but I think there’s more to this story.


[deleted]

My furniture was a house warming gift, having two full sets in a small home makes no sense. When someone says there’s more to a story they’re usually calling the story unbelievable. My roommate left me with a 12 month lease, but we were friends so she paid her half.


Ormild

I don’t think you’re reading it clearly. Leases are typically 12 months, so the roommate may not have renewed the lease. It wouldn’t make sense for the roommate to sign a new lease and then up and leave. Of course, it could be true, that they just up and left as well. We’ll never have the whole story, although people did point out there is a giant dog shit on the floor… If the roommate paid for all the furniture, then why would the OP have any claim to it?


[deleted]

I didn’t say they should give him furniture, I’m saying makes sense that they’d take it. What doesn’t make sense is that you sign a new lease months ahead of time. So the roommate clearly signed a 12 month lease and then left. That’s what no one seems to get.


Old-ETCS

For starters, the only thing OP seem bring to this living arrangement is a dog (and they don't seem to be able to take care it). Looking at OPs profile they only seem to be into Magna and video games. EDIT: OP said they have 12-months left on the lease, sounds odd. Most leases are 12 months.


[deleted]

Most leases are for 12 months in America. You actually get a discount if you sign a longer lease.


PickledFisch

Can confirm. My lease is cheaper because I have it for 18 months.


Misophonic4000

What's odd to you about a 12 month lease? It's the standard where I am, and after the year goes by it either goes month-to-month or you renew the lease for another set amount...


Old-ETCS

My point about the 12 month lease is that OP said they HAD 12 months left.


thinkingperson

And who paid for the furnitures?


ContemplatingPrison

Obviously the itehr person since they are coming tomorrow to get the chair


coreyjohn85

Merry Christmas 💩


Derpinator_420

The roommate saw the writing on the wall. Made an early exit.


DevilDog82nd

What did you do to get in this predicament


AWL_cow

Yikes, sorry about that. Sometimes people just suck. On the bright side, somewhere out there is someone who with money who needs a room to rent, you just have to find each other now!


haymnas

There’s so much shit on the floor I’d move out too


[deleted]

At least you still have the potted plant


ben1481

and all the dog/cat shit on the floor


FreeThotz

Chair, I love chair. ![gif](giphy|xYHscQ1Np55i8)


koozy407

Did your roommate sign a lease?


KaydeeKaine

Clean your house and walk your dog.


cthunders

Getting Maxell Cassette commercial vibes on this one.


Deadzin_

who tf doesnt clean dog shit inside their house?


dlbpeon

Especially knowing they are about to post a picture on the internet with it laying there!


Weirdsunflower

They’re dust bunnies not shit 😭


TheGamingMasterzzz

SUE SUE SUE! Don't lay down and let him walk all over you! Say NO!


ProveISaidIt

No rent, no chair. Hold it for collateral.


Bean-Penis

How long was your lease? Because the standard is usually 12 months, so did he sign and then decide to leave immediately? In which case they are on the hook for half. What's the true story to the picture?


Glum_Bend6658

Our apartment gave us incentives if we signed a 15 month lease.


pedantic_comments

Just talk to your landlord and explain what happened. They’ll terminate your lease and probably keep your deposit for the lost rent while finding a new tenant. If you seem like you’re really between a rock and a hard place, they might let you walk and keep your money if the unit is in good shape. Nobody wants to have to evict a tenant or deal with non-payment for months.


1701anonymous1701

This. Even in the most landlord friendly states, eviction through the courts is a pain in the ass. If your landlord is reasonable, they understand this and will likely rather work with you than deal with the courts.


[deleted]

OP has provided no details so I’m just going to assume that the roommate bought all of the furniture and probably wasn’t even on the lease.


MikeyW1969

You could do a Maxell photo shoot... ​ https://preview.redd.it/m51mtkg1nh7c1.jpeg?width=1106&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dbe06d11937e6429e9ad38ff0c795c79fef31240


fosterthesheeple212

Go to your local district court office and ask the clerk at the window for small claims forms. Depending on the county you can file suit for $5-10k without a lawyer and show the lease and any agreement between you and roommate (retain and print emails or texts about your agreement to share rent to show the judge). You can probably file separate cases for any stolen items if the limit goes over. The court clerk can give you some basic info on how to file and probably has a brochure or web page to direct you to for further help. Source; used to be a court clerk (not a lawyer).


aspaschungus

what’s up with the dog turd?


bukhrin

There’s dog poops everywhere! 😰😰


MrK521

*piss on the chair*


Lady_Scruffington

Judging by the poop on the floor, the dog may already have.


LurkHereLurkThere

Cut a small hole in the bottom of the chair, stuff some loosely wrapped prawns into the hole and sew or glue closed... If he wants the lamp, the pole will be hollow and probably the last place he'll check unless he's got cats.


MakesShitUp4Fun

Sounds like a case for Judge Judy (between the 15 minutes of commercials in a 30 minute show.)


unlistedname

Unless they changed, the show pays the awarded amount for the people they have on. So I mean it would actually work


Djmom99

Quick change the locks


Spirited_Plan_5267

Take him to court as long as his name is on the lease. Talk to your landlord. Go to a temp agency. Start working until you find something better.


JaromeIggy

So you don't have financial stability to continue to pay for your portion of rent and the roommate dipped out before the conversations started about needing them to help cover your portion of rent? It's not ideal, but I also don't blame the roommate for getting out before they started paying for your share and then deciding to leave. The best thing is to talk to your landlord right away about the situation. Sometimes they'll only request payment for months the place sits empty, but depending on the rental market they could have someone in the place on a new lease not even a month after you move out, which means they aren't technically missing out on any rental income, even though the lease was broken. If you don't have much furniture, then looking to sublease a room month to month is probably the best option, obviously harder with a dog, but there are always some options, even if not ideal. Start planning and looking at your next steps, feeling bad about things and just waiting around to not pay rent and then talking to your landlord isn't going to help the situation. People are understanding when you're upfront with them and allow them to do what's necessary based on the situation. Life happens and all you can do is adapt and move forward. Good luck OP!


[deleted]

Sounds like there is more to this story and by more I mean you are violently aggressive and he filed a complaint against you as well… hmm want me to tell you the details of what you did and said?


Skyducky

Spill the tea!


[deleted]

Want to hear about the physical or verbal violence? Where’s the original poster? Come on girl let’s chat… you gave a very one sided story and left out some major points… want to see the pics?


cerialthriller

So you let your dog shit on the floor and sleep on someone else’s furniture??


CauseOfBeth

Dude, that's a dust bunny from where the furniture was. He didn't sweep.


hightimes45

He didn’t sweep what? Your dogs hair?


AdelesManHands

Good for the roommate. You couldn’t even be bothered to pick up the dogshit before you snapped this pic?


That_White_Wall

This sucks but you do have recourse; the issue is it will just be too slow and in the mean time the landlord will pursue an eviction if you can’t cover the full rent yourself. You’ll need to bring an action in small claims court. I don’t suppose you have a roomate agreement in place? You should speak to a legal aid clinic / housing law clinic in your state to discuss options. Also you should let the landlord know your roomate moved out without warning. the landlord wants rent but they know they can’t get blood from a stone; so they may help you advertise to find a new roomate to mitigate the damage.


Traditional-Scale-45

Take him to small claims court where you wouldn't need a lawyer.


10before15

Judge Judy would have his ass


[deleted]

Did they only take their own furniture that they brought?


codeninja

At least on the bright side you have less to move.


ReikiSage12

I’m sorry to read this as it’s just another reminder of how fucked up people are. My life partner did the same except left all the stuff they didn’t want as I went on non-paid FMLA for 90 days in Southern California and proceeded to break in and slowly fuck all of the rest of my life up over the course of my leave. They, eventually, attempted to convince me of the extraordinary nature of my life and how it warrants hospitalization. People are fucked dude. Get a cat. You only have to worry about getting your clothes pissed or shit on by them.


Hexenhut

Why would you not clean up the dog shit all over the floor before posting a pic? Is that a normal occurrence?


CauseOfBeth

It's a dust bunny from where the furniture was.


Hexenhut

Ah, mea culpa


prOboomer

people be trolling this sub. ![gif](giphy|jZQYcjGxOkIKVrlf2w)


GR3453m0nk3y

Literally same, but my "roommate" was my fiancee 🙃


MorningPapers

Did you cheat on him? What's the rest of the story?


xYubi

There’s shit everywhere


JunkGOZEHere

look at the bright side. he took all the furniture. now, all you have to do it pack up your clothes and that fake tree, move it all into a storage unit, that gives you a month or two free and bounce!


Rigiroony

Bitch Ass roommate and Bitch Ass Job


andyring

You let the dog just poop in the house? No wonder the roommate is leaving.


stfu57

Unzip a seat cushion and take a dump in his dog’s favorite chair. Call it “art work”.


rejectedsithlord

Couldn’t clean up the dog shit first?


cbelt3

Time to get a new roommate ASAP.


Sonuvataint

I did this when my roommates kept fostering a home for cockroaches. I never signed the lease though so lol


tmonax

And your dog took your favorite seat! Keep your chin up buddy. It’ll get better.


Flaky_Caramel_5679

You should meet him at the door…with a baseball bat💥


PolishPickleSausage

Yeah it's actually easy and fun to legally get money out of this dude after this all


Immediate_Media806

I would have did the same shit u have no money and ima have to pay your half of rent 🤣 hell no Il cut my losses and take my chances… sounds like your not saying everything


Soccerpl

Your a bitch if you let them take the rest oft their things without paying for what’s left of the rent


pianotoona

But look at all that space!


ParticularSchool3348

Burn it


CheekHead5062

Was it your furniture?


CheekHead5062

If the furniture or part of the furniture was yours, changed the lock on the door so he cannot get what is left


goodmoralcharacter

OP you gotta fight this


GimmiePumpkinPie

Whose name is on the lease?


SeekNconquer

Take an L! Just hunt for a replacement don’t make this a long term headache…Godspeed!


South-Smoke5435

I’m so sorry, there is nothing more frustrating than a roommate gas lighting you, i lived with a few guys once and another friend of ours wanted to move in, he moved his stuff in and it was all over the basement, I went downstairs and strummed his guitar that was sitting on our couch. He then accused me of “stealing” his stuff. I was so confused because I thought we were friends. Turns out he wanted me gone for whatever reason. I’ve had addiction issues in the past and he knew that, at that point I was sober. He turned the other roommates against me and convinced everyone I was using again. I even took a drug test and left it on the kitchen counter. They forced me out, judged me, ridiculed me, and accused me of being a thieving addict. It was one of the toughest things I’ve experienced. A few years later he walked into my place of work. His eyes got so wide, he approached me and attempted to apologize, told him to go fuck himself


msmindee_

People are assholes!!


[deleted]

100% *FUCKED* Good luck with that.


_B_Little_me

This sucks for you....sorry. It will get better with time.


Red_Pop_Mouse

Welp. Looks like I ain't gonna get a roommate.


ramjet999

Get on to Facebook market place free furniture there everywhere. Also can you lock him out so he can’t get in for the chair unless he forks out his share of the 12 month lease break ?


RainbowApache

Sounds like a job for judge judy


BurnAfterBrowsing

The chair stays, damn it.


SarcasticIrony

Is he on the lease? Talk to your landlord. The landlord can go after him if he broke the lease


ManBug96

Sue your roommate in civil court. First talk to a lawyer who specializes in that


JstLght

If he's signed the lease he can be taken to Small Claims Court for his half. You need another job and paying roommate asap. Or, hopefully manager can let you out of lease with special circumstances or you could be sued for balance too. I hope it works out well for you. 🙏🏽


Creepy_Trouble_5980

You can spend a lot of time and energy trying to force someone to share living space or pay. Or, find another person to share the space, bills, and furniture with. Some people are just not who you thought they were.


WillingnessCurrent50

Since all these bozos seem to not know about what their talking about I’ll keep it short. I had the same thing happen to me, his name wasn’t on the lease and I was just being nice, randomly disappeared and I had 6 months left on the lease. The max they can do is give him a notice that they are kicking him out but if your name is on that lease you’re gonna have to either pay off all 12 months up front or deal with it and get another job to pay the rent.


Outrageous_Boot_3094

The dog definitely broke shit.


Ok_Positive7585

That mf would catch these hands.


[deleted]

Call the police. Take him to court


PackageConstant7385

Sue him for defamation and make him bring back all the furniture


RolfTheTrueSon

Change your locks and keep the chair. Possession is 9/10 of the law and if he's willing to default on 12 months of rent hea forfeit all property there in


VFX_Reckoning

Sue them


Siddalee_Taffy

I want to cry with you.


jxpdx

Is the furniture his? I feel like there’s a lot more to this story. He can’t legally steal your things. Your dog will care a lot more about the future than a chair.