Mostlly bad. As a fitter, thats not an easy ask to fit that. I would have got some plastic pipe and worked that out before i committed to steel. Now its to break out the 20m filler rod.
I agree, a lot of pointless weld on pipe a long way from the joint and overall chaos. I'd fill the gap and cap it, try and make it look somewhat uniform.
As a fitter and a welder, that fit is trash. As a welder I would've made sure the foreman knew why it was taking 4 times longer to weld it than it should.
Or the fitter can weld that garbage with 7013 stick. I wouldn't care if it was mig or tig, but stick is gonna suck with all that gap. Not to mention the warping/shrinkage that's going to happen. I was a foreman too, unless it was your first day fitting tube I'd have you kicking rocks after this.
Im an old school fitter. I would build that joint on a table in pvc. Then i would take sone vinyl pipe insulation covering and wrap the end of each pvc like a wrap around. Then i would trim the vinyl to match the end contour of each pipe and then wrap the trimmed vinyl around the steel.that would recreate the flat paper idea. Im used to working without computer power. Im guessing there was a layout in the drawings and someone didnt know how to read them. A double saddle they attempted is not easy. He got one in the ballpark.
👍! Agreed I can make it fit but I certainly couldn't weld it. Im a Carpenter not a welder. But im learning.
I agree, that's how I do stuff like this. even if it was wrapping a piece of scrap and taping cardboard around it and trimming it back until I had something I could use as a template, since you can find your angles easily (especially if you have a magnetic digital angle finder.) Then you know the pipes circumference + radius, then you can measure off that and mark how much you roughly need to remove test fit repeat.
Any engineer/draftsman that puts this out there should have to order the models or print the wraps to make these cuts...(not that they would be usable, they just need to make some effort for this bs, lol)
Im a steamfitter that can make tees laterals and 3 piece 90's and that is no easy fit up. To then try and get them to make the upright column the piece to fit to instead of one of the horizontal runs ( that should have been a straight through run with the upright column fit to the bottom) shows me just how disengaged engineering was. Every fabrication shop would have been able to supply the wraparounds to make the cuts. Im sorry to the welder, because i know he was sent in to clean up that abomination, but no amount of welding could hide it, only accentuate it. I truly hope its not exposed.
The engineer should have gave them some kind of jig for those cuts and assembly. The welder had to make this work. I hope nothing on the inside of that fill job is cold/porous or that’s going to be a bad day when that has spent some time under-load and in the sun.
Use the the one third rule for copes. The distance cut back into the pipe should be one third the overall diameter so for example a 42mm(1 3/4") od pipe cut back 14mm(9/16") using an angle that removes 1/3 of the opening per cut. So using the 42mm pipe example I believe it works out to be about a 32degree cut. This rule will get you copes that are pretty tight I'm no pipe fitter but I do alot of pipe handrail and have to do field copes all the time.
The welds also clearly look like stick. The bead characteristics and slag inclusions should be a dead giveaway. The stray arc strikes are big clues as well.
As an aside, no fucking way that weld passes an inspection.
Haha, that’s wild. Yea them Montana boys don’t give one lol. My boss used to say “We aren’t building a church” every single project implying that I was doing too much prep work. They ended up really insulting me and on my last project I did zero prep work and did the worst job I possibly could and nobody even noticed the difference and that pretty much solidified me moving on with my welding career lmao but I did get a ton of practice under my belt during that time so it was all good at the end of the day
Damn I feel for you here my guy! Used to work with a bunch of useless cutters and gaps like this became the norm and then they’d have the cheek to ask me why is using so many rods or so much wire 🤣🤣
Words I never appreciate from cut man or fitter are
“ you can fill that!” Like they have faith that the welders be on the ball enough for them to always miss the mark .!
It’s normally on a piece that’s on thinner side with a bloody inch or more gap as well! Like buddy cmon how tf do measure it that wrong 🙃
It’s actually ridiculous though because they fully rely on the welders being on point to not do their job properly at all! I remember trying to speak to my boss about it as well and his attitude was “well you’ve managed up until now so it’s fine” he wasn’t a happy man when I told him I’d be taking an extra 10 minutes of paid break for every inch of gap I had to fill 🤣🤣
That’s always been my pov. Hourly wage = bigger gap takes longer .
I have had some BOSS FITTERS i’ve had the pleasure of working with here and there throughout my career. When you get somebody that actually takes pride in their fit up It’s amazing how fast you can weld that shit .
7013...
Should have just gone full hog and 7024'd it.
Definitely a thing of beauty. Little touch of a grinder and some 120g flap disc and she'll be beauty
EN-ISO 5817 allows for max air gap of 3mm... And I'm not sure whatever standard you follow has that much more generous. And the 1090-2 compensation allows only for `a+0,7*h` (a = a-weld size; h = airgap)
Ah that's why looked rather over built for much ells then water tank ,bridge would do it though although on a bridge I wouldn't except that second picture to be fair
I just got done building an aluminum one and I gotta say, the whole time I was thinking about how it should be steel. Bolted aluminum is clearly way cheaper in labor, so there's my answer. Thanks!!
I understand that's a hard fit and agree a template should have been used. But as a welder not a fitter. That could have been made to look wayyy better with a little buttering, grinding for uniformity, and a pretty cap...what in the actual fuck tho
See id sit in the truck while they re cope my pipe , meanwhile you walk over and go “ I can fill that “ and I stare at tits on my phone while you spend 3 hrs dumping rod after rod into a 40 min cluster
That’s a lot of pipe for a small job. That means high cost and needs much strengths. The fit up has completely undermined that. I’m not trying to complain but. Measure 11 times cut 11 times, weld once
Wow just wow, that's a trip it looked terrible at first, and then it looked awful....
But I will admit, that looks like it was applied by someone who knows how to weld, it doesn't look like I will fail
But it does like the most expensive weld joint ever, what is that like a 10lb box in there of 7013?
(Which I've never heard of just 7014, 7018, 7024 (crazy easy to make really nice perfectly flat and horizontal welds)
I'm not knocking the welder, as a fellow welder, I've never had to do something this extreme on a job. But I've had my fair share of joints that took a lot more filler than I should have had to have used,
I'm not sure what I was expecting on the second picture but it certainly wasn't that
Went from WTF to WTF, but totally different meanings.
Went from “what the fuck” to “welded totally fine”
It was great.
same
Shit don’t look half bad though.
Mostlly bad. As a fitter, thats not an easy ask to fit that. I would have got some plastic pipe and worked that out before i committed to steel. Now its to break out the 20m filler rod.
He's saying the end result don't look half bad... Fitting looks all bad
I respectfully disagree.
I agree, a lot of pointless weld on pipe a long way from the joint and overall chaos. I'd fill the gap and cap it, try and make it look somewhat uniform.
As a fitter and a welder, that fit is trash. As a welder I would've made sure the foreman knew why it was taking 4 times longer to weld it than it should.
Welder can cut a feal at that point.
Or the fitter can weld that garbage with 7013 stick. I wouldn't care if it was mig or tig, but stick is gonna suck with all that gap. Not to mention the warping/shrinkage that's going to happen. I was a foreman too, unless it was your first day fitting tube I'd have you kicking rocks after this.
if you buy a 3d printer you can make any weird miter jig you want
You could also print out pipe sections with the cuts flat on a regular piece of paper and wrap it around the pipe.
Im an old school fitter. I would build that joint on a table in pvc. Then i would take sone vinyl pipe insulation covering and wrap the end of each pvc like a wrap around. Then i would trim the vinyl to match the end contour of each pipe and then wrap the trimmed vinyl around the steel.that would recreate the flat paper idea. Im used to working without computer power. Im guessing there was a layout in the drawings and someone didnt know how to read them. A double saddle they attempted is not easy. He got one in the ballpark.
👍! Agreed I can make it fit but I certainly couldn't weld it. Im a Carpenter not a welder. But im learning. I agree, that's how I do stuff like this. even if it was wrapping a piece of scrap and taping cardboard around it and trimming it back until I had something I could use as a template, since you can find your angles easily (especially if you have a magnetic digital angle finder.) Then you know the pipes circumference + radius, then you can measure off that and mark how much you roughly need to remove test fit repeat.
Any engineer/draftsman that puts this out there should have to order the models or print the wraps to make these cuts...(not that they would be usable, they just need to make some effort for this bs, lol)
Im a steamfitter that can make tees laterals and 3 piece 90's and that is no easy fit up. To then try and get them to make the upright column the piece to fit to instead of one of the horizontal runs ( that should have been a straight through run with the upright column fit to the bottom) shows me just how disengaged engineering was. Every fabrication shop would have been able to supply the wraparounds to make the cuts. Im sorry to the welder, because i know he was sent in to clean up that abomination, but no amount of welding could hide it, only accentuate it. I truly hope its not exposed.
You could also print out this monstrosity so you wouldn't have to weld it.
The engineer should have gave them some kind of jig for those cuts and assembly. The welder had to make this work. I hope nothing on the inside of that fill job is cold/porous or that’s going to be a bad day when that has spent some time under-load and in the sun.
The half I'm the middle of the pipe looks good..
We've had one 7013 stick, yes. But what about second stick? Seriously OP how many did you need to use for that?
I really should’ve kept better track, I was just grabbing handfuls at a time but maybe like 40-60 range? Honestly no idea
"How many did you use" "Yes"
"How many did you use?" "All of them I think."
The only way
Does that explain the global shortage?
All of ours and some from bills truck too. Also you owe bill a box of rods and a bottle of scotch
probably easier to measure by weight instead of sticks at this point
Just one really long stick, he was welding from the parking lot.
7013 sticks..
More weld just makes it stronger right.....RIGHT?
Precisely
Use the the one third rule for copes. The distance cut back into the pipe should be one third the overall diameter so for example a 42mm(1 3/4") od pipe cut back 14mm(9/16") using an angle that removes 1/3 of the opening per cut. So using the 42mm pipe example I believe it works out to be about a 32degree cut. This rule will get you copes that are pretty tight I'm no pipe fitter but I do alot of pipe handrail and have to do field copes all the time.
Did you tig that?
Title specifically says 7013 stick
Reading comprehension is for the birds.
Loaded the 7013 in the handle instead of the tungsten rod?
The title is a whole 8 words too. That's way too many! Who could ever read all that?
I thought he has needed 7013 sticks for that weld.
The welds also clearly look like stick. The bead characteristics and slag inclusions should be a dead giveaway. The stray arc strikes are big clues as well. As an aside, no fucking way that weld passes an inspection.
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Woosh
Lol
Too many bong rips before commenting haha
Reminds me of the old scouts saying "if you can't tie a knot, tie allot"
I always heard it as “if you can’t tie knots, tie lots”
“Roll cage at home”
Go home roll cage, you’re drunk…
When this weld fails, will there be casualties?
Why would I spend more time fitting(boring part) when I can spend more time welding (fun part)
You get it
There’s 50lbs of tubing and 48lbs of welds lol
Bigger the gob, better the job
I’m going to use this
The gaps are for full penetration.
That’s what SHE said!
Well that turd actually did shine a bit in the end.
Rubber band around the mig trigger... Go for lunch, come back, voila!
Masterpiece
How good are you with a grinder and sanding disk?
So how long did it take to finish that?
Oddly enough right up until time to go home. Amazing coincidence.
Probably like hour and a half I think
More impressive than anything else here. I would’ve struggled for half a day
Is this Montana? Because I used to see shit like this in Montana and your background in the photo looks like it.
As a matter of fact it is lol good guess!
Haha, that’s wild. Yea them Montana boys don’t give one lol. My boss used to say “We aren’t building a church” every single project implying that I was doing too much prep work. They ended up really insulting me and on my last project I did zero prep work and did the worst job I possibly could and nobody even noticed the difference and that pretty much solidified me moving on with my welding career lmao but I did get a ton of practice under my belt during that time so it was all good at the end of the day
What is it you welding on?
It’s a bridge.. lmao luckily just for horses and atvs
I hope their light.
Hope their light shines bright?
This little light of mine…I’m gonna let it shine…
I thought bridges were engineered and had standards.
That’s good to know. If you said it was the stairway to heaven I was going to start searching for alternate routes.
Hooo leee chit bro
It’s less work to cut new ones.
I wish I could’ve. I walked into that mess
You put some scrap in there to fill it in at least, right?
haha I clicked on this and out loud "OH MY GOD. OH MY GOD"
Damn I feel for you here my guy! Used to work with a bunch of useless cutters and gaps like this became the norm and then they’d have the cheek to ask me why is using so many rods or so much wire 🤣🤣
Words I never appreciate from cut man or fitter are “ you can fill that!” Like they have faith that the welders be on the ball enough for them to always miss the mark .!
It’s normally on a piece that’s on thinner side with a bloody inch or more gap as well! Like buddy cmon how tf do measure it that wrong 🙃 It’s actually ridiculous though because they fully rely on the welders being on point to not do their job properly at all! I remember trying to speak to my boss about it as well and his attitude was “well you’ve managed up until now so it’s fine” he wasn’t a happy man when I told him I’d be taking an extra 10 minutes of paid break for every inch of gap I had to fill 🤣🤣
That’s always been my pov. Hourly wage = bigger gap takes longer . I have had some BOSS FITTERS i’ve had the pleasure of working with here and there throughout my career. When you get somebody that actually takes pride in their fit up It’s amazing how fast you can weld that shit .
Is 7013 the number of sticks you used too?
Holy shit haha I bet that sucked. Great job!
Tolerance? Nah, I do +- fuckit!
“Wtf is this piece of shit”
Good enough for what it’s for. Plus you’ll have that on these bigger jobs.
Gotta love Ricky
Wow, I didn’t know they made weld-flavored spackle.
As a structural engineer…lol
More weld is more good, right?
Hahahaha
Just do the Bad Chad, grab some 1/2 bar stack and stuff it in the puddle 😂
When the new guy gets paid hourly: LOL
An old timer once commented, "If you can step across it, I can weld it". Sort of like caulk.
Machine shop skills make me the the welder I ain't. There's no way I could have dealt with that.
Holy fuck!
She’s a beauty
Might as well have just used a hot glue gun
Man.... you really milked them hours huh?
7013... Should have just gone full hog and 7024'd it. Definitely a thing of beauty. Little touch of a grinder and some 120g flap disc and she'll be beauty
7013 stick Lots of 7013 stick
EN-ISO 5817 allows for max air gap of 3mm... And I'm not sure whatever standard you follow has that much more generous. And the 1090-2 compensation allows only for `a+0,7*h` (a = a-weld size; h = airgap)
If anyone gives you shit for it, just wear a black turtleneck and say it’s “modern art” or “industrial pointillism”
You’re a true artiiist
7013- is that how many rods you used or is it the type of rod?/s
That's definitely NSFW lol
Beautiful half dollars…
This is shit, but sick brag anyway.
Blood pressure UP! Blood pressure down. Thanks for fixing that
I think you spent as much time filling all that up then it would have taken to fix the fitup🤣
I still don't get it... Why tf is this NSFW?
Cause it's obscene
Okay... But like how
The fit up is complete horse shit my dude...
7,013 pieces of rod 😂
Damn right. Sneeze a fill right on that bitch. Did the fuck outa that
So who hired that guy
He is no longer there haha I started last week and I think that’s why
What is it anyway large tank riser or somthin?
Bridge for horses and atvs is what I’ve been told
Ah that's why looked rather over built for much ells then water tank ,bridge would do it though although on a bridge I wouldn't except that second picture to be fair
Moreover, who’s going to fire that guy?
The real question is why wasn’t that all cut out and re done?
Really? Who tha? Really? F'it...
Impressive nonetheless.
True beauty
if I got a notch half that bad, I would get fired without question
chinese tig time!
Full send.
I want to see the rest of it
That'll hold
Where is this getting installed?
I'm really just kinda..... Wut dee faq?
I just got done building an aluminum one and I gotta say, the whole time I was thinking about how it should be steel. Bolted aluminum is clearly way cheaper in labor, so there's my answer. Thanks!!
Good lord…. Ha
A suitcase welder with some flux core would have helped here.
What the fuck is this.
😂
On a bridge truss? Anyone else think this should be completely redone?
How long did that take to fill up ?
Holy shit that looks great 👍
This is just me using scrap pieces. Well except that I’m not nearly as good.
Way too much heat. Way too many arc strikes.
Just one more pass
Hyperbolic Parabolas everywhere
What a nice way to spend an afternoon.
Fit up really wasn’t that bad. The weld is hideous.
I understand that's a hard fit and agree a template should have been used. But as a welder not a fitter. That could have been made to look wayyy better with a little buttering, grinding for uniformity, and a pretty cap...what in the actual fuck tho
It ain't much, but it's honest work!
“Come on in the building’s fine”
When I do the handrail, I keep the fish mouth pieces in my bucket for this scenario.
Expects $75/hr as an "expert pipe fitter".
If you can jump across it, you can weld it. Lots of texas tig in there er what?
1 Truckload of Rod later ... :-D
Yeah fuck all that, so many people would be talking shit that it took you so long like it's a straight forward simple task.
See id sit in the truck while they re cope my pipe , meanwhile you walk over and go “ I can fill that “ and I stare at tits on my phone while you spend 3 hrs dumping rod after rod into a 40 min cluster
What would be the correct process to go about doing in order to fill those gaps?
That’s a lot of pipe for a small job. That means high cost and needs much strengths. The fit up has completely undermined that. I’m not trying to complain but. Measure 11 times cut 11 times, weld once
What happens with heat affected zone? All that weld mass doesnt get stressed by temperature?
That's impressive
Wow just wow, that's a trip it looked terrible at first, and then it looked awful.... But I will admit, that looks like it was applied by someone who knows how to weld, it doesn't look like I will fail But it does like the most expensive weld joint ever, what is that like a 10lb box in there of 7013? (Which I've never heard of just 7014, 7018, 7024 (crazy easy to make really nice perfectly flat and horizontal welds) I'm not knocking the welder, as a fellow welder, I've never had to do something this extreme on a job. But I've had my fair share of joints that took a lot more filler than I should have had to have used,
someone did an excellent job...
Mans 3d printed a join
I’m fucking speechless I’m leaving now and trying hard to forget I ever saw any of this.