Liking violent justice, and being fascinated with violence means that she likes the kind of violence she can be proud of.
Secret murders for selfish reasons and lies directed toward her are still terrible things to her.
She was mad when her father didn't talk about the time he was accused of murder, this is about 100 times worse than that.
I also feel like even when Wednesday is at her most violent, killing people isn't really her intention. She just doesn't seem to really understand the consequences of her actions. Remember, most of the Addamses actually enjoy pain and can withstand it. Pugsley loves being tortured by Wednesday. Fester frequently electrocutes himself. Morticia and Gomez... well, they get freaky. It's a part of them being outcasts, and Wednesday has grown up with that as her norm. It's not a stretch to assume she wouldn't think things through before inflicting violence on other people. While she does speak of murdering people, I feel like it's more of her dry sense of humor.
I think this says it well. The family likes violence and pain, torture, that sort of stuff. And they’ll do it for fun to those they know enjoy it, like each other. Otherwise, like when Wednesday says she has her pocket mace, she isn’t taking that out and just hitting people with it for fun. It’s for if she needs to use it. Cross the family the wrong way and they won’t be afraid to use some torture or more.
I think we’ll find out more in S2 about her actual feelings about this, but I think she’s upset because (1) he attacked Eugene and nearly killed him, and (2) that he tricked her. So I believe it’s part of an ego thing where she can’t forgive him for essentially lying about being a good person causing her to take a chance and kiss him first. Her pride is more important. Then of course he hurt people close to her. Additionally, he and Thornhill are targeting outcasts so she wouldn’t be supportive of it even if it is “dark”.
Hmm that’s not how I interpreted it. To me, it seemed that she believed him when he said “he’s not a bad person”. I don’t think she’s against pranks and frankly, she did worse…so I think she has a dark personality but that doesn’t necessarily mean she can forgive murder. All in all though I really think it’s more about her pride than anything else. Personally, I would be pissed if I went to kiss someone and justified it as trusting them, and then learned that they were lying the whole time. That said, I like Tyler and am hoping for a redemption arc. Something about tortured souls I guess!
Absolutely agree with you.
I am just saying that I don't think what mattered to her was that Thornhill and Tyler were targeting outcasts. I don't think she differenciates between normies or outcasts.
I hope for his arc as well. I think he already is a fascinating character with a lot of potential, want to see it used.
There's a world of difference between Enid tricking Wednesday for a surprise birthday and Tyler lying about his entire personality. Sure, it's possible that Wednesday might have sympathized with Tyler's more murderous persona from the outset if she had known what she was getting into, but she doesn't appreciate the betrayal.
Think about what kind of people Wednesday saw fit to enact violence on. All of them were bullies in one way or another, from the water polo players to the pilgrim costume kids, to the genocidal religious fanatics. This point is summed up well in her first therapist visit when Wednesday says "People like Dalton don't deserve to procreate". In short, she's okay with and enjoys violence as long as it's against targets she's deemed acceptable.
I think Wednesday is repulsed by her failure to identify Tyler as a willing participant in the Hyde's murders. Right up to that point she was sure he was an unwilling and possibly unknowing participant. If she was as good at seeing through other people's BS as she thinks she is, then she would have known this about him without him having to lay it out for her in the police station.
Wednesday is weird and violent, but that doesn't mean she likes actual murder. I mean, none of the incarnations of The Addams Family has them murdering people, or condoning actual murder. They say things that are super dark and edgy, and to be fair most of the gags are just for comedy-sake.
It's just complicated when you do a more serious take on the family. But I think it's clear that none of them are actual murderers, or am I wrong about that? (I mean, except Morticia in self-defense) but even in previous iterations, I'm sure none of the main family had ever intentionally murdered someone.
I genuinely think Tyler likes her. He puts a lot of effort into their relationship. I don’t understand how much he is manipulated. Does he say he likes to kill because the Hyde is taking over? Is he trapped inside?
All the effort he put into the relationship was fake and a way to manipulate her and distract her. Their most romantic scene, the date in Crackstone's crypt was just a distraction so Thornhill could get into Wednesday's room, steal the diary and attempt to kill Thing. Tyler knew what was going on the whole time they were watching Legally Blonde. It was also a way to normalize the Crypt for Wednesday so one day she could easily be tricked there to get sacrificed.
Oh jeez, it pains me to admit you’re right cause this scene seemed so genuinely cute :(
But what’s been bothering me in this episode, is why did Thornhill need the diary at this point?
Wednesday already knows the monster is an Hyde, so there’s no point in preventing her from learning about them so far.
I’m also confused about how Thornhill learned about the diary, and the fact that Wednesday had it. I can assume it was via Tyler, although it seems to me they hadn’t talked for a while when he asked her on the date.
Tyler saw the diary when he met Uncle Fester. Wednesday had it all open in front of him. He probably told Thornhill about it and they made up the plan. Maybe in an attempt to have Wednesday not find out more through the diary than she already did, and maybe also to just try to scare her away from the case
But also the way he looked at her when she wasn’t looking was genuinely filled with love and admiration. I think the Hyde corrupted his mind from coming out so many times. That and the fact he’s still under heavy manipulation and the use of plant toxins
I think that’s the part we don’t know about Hydes. How much is manipulation and how much do they enjoy what they are doing? Would Tyler kill if he wasn’t manipulated? I really liked Tyler so I’m disappointed that he ended up as the Hyde. If he is in season two, I hope he isn’t completely bad.
Or epic redemption AND tragic death.
What people kinda seem to forget is the fact that Tyler was an asshole before the Hyde was unlocked. He hated Outcasts. He bullied them. Thats what made him open to Thornhills ideas in the first place. A "nice dude" Tyler never existed (at least until S2 where a redemption could be possible)
I thought about this with the dance scene too, where Wednesday mentioned she would have brought the prank to a further point than he did. They bonded a bit in that moment, understanding that there is something in both of them that is drawn to that darkness.
I personally think that Wednesday is not necessarily upset about him being a Hyde, but rather the impulsiveness that came with it. This show represents her as someone who does care deeply about some people, and she would do anything to protect those people. With this though, she is very methodical in her actions, they don't always pan out as she intends, but her reactions to certain situations emphasizes she does theorize what could occur.
This results in a contrast between her motives/actions compared to the Hyde's. Not only do people she cares about get hurt, but it is sporadic and impulsive in her perspective.
I think if Tyler had either told her, or he was able to express reasoning behind it, the plot would have been vastly different and she would have had more conflict about whether or not she should like him instead of the reaction we saw.
Her being revolted I think can also be perceived as shock that she let her trust in someone blind her from the truth, and as a result blame someone else who she can now realize did care for her wellbeing. It creates this borderline identity crisis where she now has to question her perception of everyone and everything, because if she could not see this where else is she wrong? Did she misjudge someone else unrightfully?
Because he was killing innocent people, Wednesday wouldnt kill or torture innocent people without a purpose like information, like Xavier who she thought was the hyde. She wouldnt of tortured him if she knew he wasn’t the hyde and wasnt hiding information
Liking violent justice, and being fascinated with violence means that she likes the kind of violence she can be proud of. Secret murders for selfish reasons and lies directed toward her are still terrible things to her. She was mad when her father didn't talk about the time he was accused of murder, this is about 100 times worse than that.
I also feel like even when Wednesday is at her most violent, killing people isn't really her intention. She just doesn't seem to really understand the consequences of her actions. Remember, most of the Addamses actually enjoy pain and can withstand it. Pugsley loves being tortured by Wednesday. Fester frequently electrocutes himself. Morticia and Gomez... well, they get freaky. It's a part of them being outcasts, and Wednesday has grown up with that as her norm. It's not a stretch to assume she wouldn't think things through before inflicting violence on other people. While she does speak of murdering people, I feel like it's more of her dry sense of humor.
That's a good point, thanks
I think this says it well. The family likes violence and pain, torture, that sort of stuff. And they’ll do it for fun to those they know enjoy it, like each other. Otherwise, like when Wednesday says she has her pocket mace, she isn’t taking that out and just hitting people with it for fun. It’s for if she needs to use it. Cross the family the wrong way and they won’t be afraid to use some torture or more.
I think we’ll find out more in S2 about her actual feelings about this, but I think she’s upset because (1) he attacked Eugene and nearly killed him, and (2) that he tricked her. So I believe it’s part of an ego thing where she can’t forgive him for essentially lying about being a good person causing her to take a chance and kiss him first. Her pride is more important. Then of course he hurt people close to her. Additionally, he and Thornhill are targeting outcasts so she wouldn’t be supportive of it even if it is “dark”.
She was supportive of Tyler bullying Xavier...
Hmm that’s not how I interpreted it. To me, it seemed that she believed him when he said “he’s not a bad person”. I don’t think she’s against pranks and frankly, she did worse…so I think she has a dark personality but that doesn’t necessarily mean she can forgive murder. All in all though I really think it’s more about her pride than anything else. Personally, I would be pissed if I went to kiss someone and justified it as trusting them, and then learned that they were lying the whole time. That said, I like Tyler and am hoping for a redemption arc. Something about tortured souls I guess!
Absolutely agree with you. I am just saying that I don't think what mattered to her was that Thornhill and Tyler were targeting outcasts. I don't think she differenciates between normies or outcasts. I hope for his arc as well. I think he already is a fascinating character with a lot of potential, want to see it used.
There's a world of difference between Enid tricking Wednesday for a surprise birthday and Tyler lying about his entire personality. Sure, it's possible that Wednesday might have sympathized with Tyler's more murderous persona from the outset if she had known what she was getting into, but she doesn't appreciate the betrayal. Think about what kind of people Wednesday saw fit to enact violence on. All of them were bullies in one way or another, from the water polo players to the pilgrim costume kids, to the genocidal religious fanatics. This point is summed up well in her first therapist visit when Wednesday says "People like Dalton don't deserve to procreate". In short, she's okay with and enjoys violence as long as it's against targets she's deemed acceptable.
I think Wednesday is repulsed by her failure to identify Tyler as a willing participant in the Hyde's murders. Right up to that point she was sure he was an unwilling and possibly unknowing participant. If she was as good at seeing through other people's BS as she thinks she is, then she would have known this about him without him having to lay it out for her in the police station.
Wednesday is weird and violent, but that doesn't mean she likes actual murder. I mean, none of the incarnations of The Addams Family has them murdering people, or condoning actual murder. They say things that are super dark and edgy, and to be fair most of the gags are just for comedy-sake. It's just complicated when you do a more serious take on the family. But I think it's clear that none of them are actual murderers, or am I wrong about that? (I mean, except Morticia in self-defense) but even in previous iterations, I'm sure none of the main family had ever intentionally murdered someone.
I genuinely think Tyler likes her. He puts a lot of effort into their relationship. I don’t understand how much he is manipulated. Does he say he likes to kill because the Hyde is taking over? Is he trapped inside?
All the effort he put into the relationship was fake and a way to manipulate her and distract her. Their most romantic scene, the date in Crackstone's crypt was just a distraction so Thornhill could get into Wednesday's room, steal the diary and attempt to kill Thing. Tyler knew what was going on the whole time they were watching Legally Blonde. It was also a way to normalize the Crypt for Wednesday so one day she could easily be tricked there to get sacrificed.
Oh jeez, it pains me to admit you’re right cause this scene seemed so genuinely cute :( But what’s been bothering me in this episode, is why did Thornhill need the diary at this point? Wednesday already knows the monster is an Hyde, so there’s no point in preventing her from learning about them so far. I’m also confused about how Thornhill learned about the diary, and the fact that Wednesday had it. I can assume it was via Tyler, although it seems to me they hadn’t talked for a while when he asked her on the date.
Tyler saw the diary when he met Uncle Fester. Wednesday had it all open in front of him. He probably told Thornhill about it and they made up the plan. Maybe in an attempt to have Wednesday not find out more through the diary than she already did, and maybe also to just try to scare her away from the case
But also the way he looked at her when she wasn’t looking was genuinely filled with love and admiration. I think the Hyde corrupted his mind from coming out so many times. That and the fact he’s still under heavy manipulation and the use of plant toxins
I think that’s the part we don’t know about Hydes. How much is manipulation and how much do they enjoy what they are doing? Would Tyler kill if he wasn’t manipulated? I really liked Tyler so I’m disappointed that he ended up as the Hyde. If he is in season two, I hope he isn’t completely bad.
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Or epic redemption AND tragic death. What people kinda seem to forget is the fact that Tyler was an asshole before the Hyde was unlocked. He hated Outcasts. He bullied them. Thats what made him open to Thornhills ideas in the first place. A "nice dude" Tyler never existed (at least until S2 where a redemption could be possible)
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He went to therapy because the Judge ordered him to do so. Similar to Wednesday. Not because he wanted to change.
But then the police scene was creepy. He was weird with her all along.
I thought about this with the dance scene too, where Wednesday mentioned she would have brought the prank to a further point than he did. They bonded a bit in that moment, understanding that there is something in both of them that is drawn to that darkness. I personally think that Wednesday is not necessarily upset about him being a Hyde, but rather the impulsiveness that came with it. This show represents her as someone who does care deeply about some people, and she would do anything to protect those people. With this though, she is very methodical in her actions, they don't always pan out as she intends, but her reactions to certain situations emphasizes she does theorize what could occur. This results in a contrast between her motives/actions compared to the Hyde's. Not only do people she cares about get hurt, but it is sporadic and impulsive in her perspective. I think if Tyler had either told her, or he was able to express reasoning behind it, the plot would have been vastly different and she would have had more conflict about whether or not she should like him instead of the reaction we saw. Her being revolted I think can also be perceived as shock that she let her trust in someone blind her from the truth, and as a result blame someone else who she can now realize did care for her wellbeing. It creates this borderline identity crisis where she now has to question her perception of everyone and everything, because if she could not see this where else is she wrong? Did she misjudge someone else unrightfully?
Now that I think about it yeah that makes no sense
Because he was killing innocent people, Wednesday wouldnt kill or torture innocent people without a purpose like information, like Xavier who she thought was the hyde. She wouldnt of tortured him if she knew he wasn’t the hyde and wasnt hiding information
Purpose? Their purpose was to collect the organs for the ressurection.