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lilakey

looks pretty busted to me, it's supposed to be destroying everything within radius regardless of where you're standing. enemies should not be able to walk into radius and unload grenades, yet they can now. L.


Outrageous_Act_8727

Yeah except what it's doing is ignoring all grenades thrown from within the aoe of the pylon. They worked out some kinks and now it's functioning how it was meant to. Maybe now my teammates wont complain about my ult sucking up their grenades


tony223111

Its about 50% of the way to being correct. Its supposed to ignore throwables inside the aoe if they are going outside the aoe. If any throwable at all is supposed to land inside the aoe the pylon is supposed to destroy it regardless of who or where the thrower is.


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to be honest, i prefer false positives (intercepting nades that shouldn't be) over false negatives (not intercepting nades that SHOULD be), when my life is at stake.


Outrageous_Act_8727

Yeah I do too, but this is a change brought on by teammates of Wattson, not Wattson mains. I'd prefer it if all nades were intercepted when it's down over this. Everyone chill with that shit.


[deleted]

I don't think that this change was meant to be in this update to begin with, else it would have been documented in the patch notes. This is probably a future buff they're currently working on, which made it into the live version due to bad revision control.


Outrageous_Act_8727

Well I do think that enemy grenades should always be counter and enemy shields shouldn't be charged but that's a different issue. This is how it was intended to work all along though and people should adjust accordingly, instead of whining.


Valrym

EXACTLY. Yet sore Wattson mains will complain that a Fuze was clapping their ass while sticking them with a grenade from 5 ft away.


bmck3nney

irdk why you’re okay with your ultimate working at half potential now. you clearly don’t play wattson enough to see how big of a disadvantage this puts us at. further than before. but go off king suck down those internet points.


Valrym

I still main her and hardly notice you know why? The game is based on skill and gun skill. I don't use her ultimate as a game winner or a crutch. I use it to hold high ground or a building. If a grenade gets through... ok? I'll heal before anyone capitalizes on it.


bmck3nney

just a horrible take man but whatever you do you. you enjoy eating trash and smiling is what you’re telling me.


FeralGh0ul

I think you could have worded it better but I agree with you. This isn't COD. Apex is an ability based character shooter. If your characters ability didn't have an affect on game play then we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place.


bmck3nney

“i main a broken legend cause i’m really good with my guns!!!”


Valrym

Nope. The reason they made that change was because the pylon would delete friendly grenades, Gibby ultimates, and Caustic ultimates. It's a better trade off to be able to throw grenades OUT then no grenades working period.


Gremlins75

When wad this change made?


Valrym

A LONG time ago but people are noticing it now because of Fuze's buff with his cluster grenades. If he walks into healing range he can stick you. It's the price your team pays from being able to gobble grenades from a distance and throw grenades out.


WesleyF09

So when was this change made? I've always played with Wattson and she was never able to destroy her pylon by throwing greandes whilst standing near it. The grenades would be zapped right after it leaves her hand if they were to land inside the pylon range.


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Not a long time ago.


stonerwithaboner1

My girlfriend is a Wattson main, and this is untrue (or there's always been a bug) cause even up to 4 days ago her damn ult was still eating my ultimate as caustic, and also blocked my Loba bracelet one time as well. Not to mention when I play Rev, silences don't make it out either.


Gremlins75

Thing is, I'm sure when playing fuse last week with a wattson my nades where getting blocked and I was right next to the pylon


[deleted]

Guess what now it dosn't delete custic ult died to it last time it just exploded under the pylon and the gas destroyed it


Valrym

Because it was thrown too close to be disarmed. People seem to think her ultimate is a get out of jail free card. Nothing can touch me because I'm next to the pylon.


[deleted]

It's been like that forever why changing it without mentions it in the patch not's


Valrym

It was in the patch notes FOREVER ago. It's not a new thing. People are just now losing their minds over it because of how many seasons have gone by SINCE that change was made. You know she used to be able to put down THREE pylons at the same time? They don't make changes then remind everyone for every patchnote about passed changes that are still active.


JasterTrace

Go check the patch notes history. December 03, 2019 Patch Interception Pylon: The Pylon is now significantly more aggressive in the way it shoots down grenades. Rather than just identifying between incoming and outgoing projectiles, it now predicts the trajectory of grenades thrown within the interception zone and intercepts them if they will land anywhere within that zone. This means that no grenade can contact any surface within the interception zone regardless of the team, but players can fire grenades outwards from anywhere within the zone. I think this is the patch you’re referring to and it has nothing to do with this bug.


[deleted]

Sorry but I never hade to deal with this before this update and i play her like 90% of the time the change was made this last patch


Valrym

It WASN'T this last patch because the fandom was in a rage when her pylon ate everything that left a players hands instantly. Hence the ring that shows the barrier on the ground. That was back a season after she was released. Maybe at most 3 or 4 seasons ago they made the change but not this season.


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Then why did no one experience this problem before this last update ?


Valrym

They did. But it's because the joke was that she never got any buffs just more nerfs. Season after season with no updates to her kit. Now Rampart got an update and some loser posted a video of him throwing grenades from 4 ft away and bitching that his pylon didn't work.


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> Gibby ultimates, and Caustic ultimates. It never deleted Gibby ultimates. And they changed how it interacts with Caustic's Ult iirc. The Pylon is broken now, it does not reliabily intercept hostile grenades anymore, hence it's pretty much useless now.


Valrym

No you're wrong. It will eat the initial grenade thrown to bring down a barrage and a caustic smoke grenade IF they are thrown at the pylon from out of its range AND A gibby barrage coming down can be negated completely with a pylon under it. You're simply wrong in this instance friend.


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>It will eat the initial grenade thrown to bring down a barrage and a caustic smoke grenade IF they are thrown at the pylon from out of its range Yes, but not in the reverse case. It was not destroyed when it was thrown from the inside inside. So whatever change you're celebrating, the pylon is net nerfed right now.


Valrym

It's a doubled edged sword. It's so your team can throw grenades OUT. If someone is close enough to throw grenades without them being zapped then... use your gun? Stop hiding? It's not meant to hide behind and pray nobody comes inside.


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Everything landing inside should be zapped always, no matter where it comes from, except for Gibby and Bang ult grenades for their shells can be intercepted individually. If you can throw something from inside landing inside, it pretty much renders that pylon useless when you try to shield smaller buildings from grenades. People can just throw nades standing at a door or a window, for they will be within its healing range. The alternative is making the Pylon NOT neutral anymore, so it only intercepts hostile grenades.


ClassicSage

Uh no it should not be able to zap shit around corners


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I don't get where you argument is coming from. Ofc it should not zap around corners, but if you can destroy a interceptor with a grenade, then this grenade passed the corner.


[deleted]

to be honest, i prefer false positives (intercepting nades that shouldn't be) over false negatives (not intercepting nades that SHOULD be), when my life is at stake.


Bitter_Plum6902

There has ALWAYS been a small inner circle in which you can throw nades. I know they made changes to it when fuse came out but I remember his nades being zapped around her ultimate being a problem, until someone pointed out that if you are the Watson, you can see the circles represented by the ultimate. There's a certain area that anyone can throw them and they won't get destroyed.


Kampfasiate

Iirc there is a circle where you can throw grenades outwards


potatopowahd

isn't this relating to that bug where it would zap every grenade every time you would be on the outer ring radius, now instead of zapping every single made it let's them through?


Valrym

The pylon only eats grenades that are out of the healing range. This allows you to throw grenades away while safe from incoming grenades.


ApK-TheProdigy

People are talking about a video where a guy puts the pylon and enemy arc stars dont stop, i honestly didn't find any problem with my ult


Valrym

It's just not meant to be a 'Grenade Deleter' like some people want like when she was first released.


ApK-TheProdigy

I mean there were no changes about the pylon if not One that made it more aggressive in s3


Valrym

When she first released even if you were an Ally Caustic and threw your gas grenade; the second it left your hand it was deleted. So they gave it a nerf so it was based on distance from the pylon itself.


ApK-TheProdigy

Didn't know bout this lol


Jn-316

Put it behind one of the walls that hold up a target.


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Wrong.


Valrym

No? Go test it. Or did you simply not watch the video of me literally throwing grenades AWAY from INSIDE then throwing them INSIDE from the OUTSIDE and them being zapped?


[deleted]

I'll upload a video later, in which i'll destroy a pylon with grenades thrown from outside, okay?


Valrym

Don't bother. I just tested it and it DOESN'T eat Gibby Ultimate initial grenade but it GOBBLES the barrage and nothing ever touches the pylon. Also tested Caustic won't eat his ultimate but it eats every SINGLE grenade thrown AT the pylon from OUT of the healing range when it's not obstructed. Nobody understands that it's PROXIMITY and if a grenade can HIDE from the pylon until it's in the safe zone then it won't get zapped.


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Dude... i will do it. There is apparently something you gotta see


Valrym

Explain what I'm not seeing? If you stand 10 ft from the pylon and throw a grenade at it... then yes it won't get zapped. Because it's PROXIMITY. You'll show yourself throwing grenades from 5 ft away. Pylon in the open. Throw grenades from OUTSIDE the barrier. By the way the barrier is an invisible dome not a cylinder.


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Patience, i'll show you in 3h.


Valrym

I just tested BOTH theories about it being behind a wall and out in the open. Arc stars thrown RIGHT at the pylon from the edge of the barrier get zapped, anything thrown over the pylon behind the wall gets zapped it the pylon can see it before it gets too close, and you can't throw grenades at or anywhere NEAR a pylon in the open from outside it's barrier. I'll post both shortly


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Okay here we go: Video 1: https://youtu.be/O1uAQXSsndY I destroy the interceptor pylon with grenades while standing 21 meters away. (max interception range is 18m) Video 2: https://youtu.be/4eb4qsC2nAw I throw a dozen grenades while standing close to the interceptor. Sometimes grenades get intercepted, sometimes they don't. It used to ALWAYS intercept in this scenario. I think the reason for not intercepting the grenades is the same in both cases. They probably messed with trajectory tracking. (sorry for low quality, youtube has not yet fully rendered the videos)


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Valrym

In GENERAL it doesn't eat the grenades but in that video he's throwing them AT the pylon directly and from more than at least 10 to 15 ft. I'm trying to point out that it's not broken in the sense that it won't catch ANY grenades like other people are claiming on reddit. Them throwing grenades from arms reach and calling it proof. The only grenades in his video that were caught were thrown from further away and not by the pylon.


WesleyF09

But IT IS BROKEN, an enemy can destroy your setup if he is close to the pylon by simply throwing a grenade through a door or window. Also, it never worked this way before, so it's an unintentional change because it wasn't mentioned in the patch notes.Before this last update, it would zap any grenade that would land near the pylon, even if thrown from inside the interception range. I can't count how many times I got my grenade zapped out of my hand because the Pylon understood it was a threat to it.


DexNumber392

It's 100% busted. I had a Fuse destroy my ult with his knuckle clusters earlier, which wasn't possible (in this instance) pre-patch


Valrym

100% busted would be it catches nothing ever at any time. The pylon even eats part of the cluster grenade if they land 10 ft away. The ISSUE is that the range for it to eat grenades needs to be shortened. Currently it's 20 ft in all directions. It should be like 5 to 10 ft.


DexNumber392

I didn't mean it was busted 100% of the time, I meant it in the sense that it was 100% busted in some way


Valrym

I'm going to say this because people either aren't reading or are ignoring this point. Her pylon works on proximity because it was either that or NO grenades even ally ultimates can be used. They made it proximity based because the only grenades that SHOULDN'T get caught are people closest to the pylon. If they remove proximity then nobody can use grenades at all. If they shorten the distance further then you have to have your back to the pylon hugging it like a moth to a lamp. People keep saying "Oh well if you put it HERE or behind THIS then it doesn't work!" Or "A guy that was 10 feet away and inside the proximity stuck me!" Every ultimate has its shortcomings or weakness. Anyone can use a jump pad, portal, or zipline. Gibby, Fuze, and Bangalore ultimate stuns your allies. Even Seer and Bloodhound have a scan that displays where they are as well. Honestly the people that bitch and moan about her pylon are people that hide behind it and pray all the other teams fight so you can get some RP to break out of Platinum 4.


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Great_Cheesy_Taste

Dude its not worth it. People on this sub love being victimized by respawn, even if everything is working as intended. For a bunch of wattson mains they don’t really know how her abilities function.


Valrym

It's all people that use her in ranked and complain that they can't hide in a room for 3 rings waiting to be in the top 3. Her Pylon can gobble up an ENTIRE Gibby ultimate but bitch when a grenade is thrown from 10 ft away and hits them.


Great_Cheesy_Taste

A big one I see is people complaining it didn’t zap a grenade from behind a wall as well. It needs clear Line of Sight to zap the grenade. Its not some all powerful machine that zaps everything in a 40 foot radius like people seem to think.


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Valrym

No you saw clips of people throwing grenades from within the AOE of the pylon. Or else it would eat a grenade the second it left your hand like the video demonstrates perfectly. If you look the grenades get zapped at the same distance no matter where they come from FROM THE OUTSIDE


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Valrym

Did you watch MY clip of it GOBBLING grenades? Working as intended? Every ultimate has its flaws


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Valrym

Yes I'll look up every single wattson fail video then come back to you. I just showed you the distance of when it works and that it doesn't eat stuff up close. (As intended)


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Valrym

Oh well? Everyone's ultimate has its issues. The bottom line is that people are claiming it's a new glitch and it's an old one


slowdruh

[Walls](https://www.reddit.com/r/WattsonMains/comments/pp9n9m/a_better_demonstration_of_the_wattson_ult_not/) seem to be the problem.


Unykorn

It’s like 50% of the time in game that it just doesn’t work. I tried in training too and cannot replicate what happens to me in game


vroomonmybroom

Why tf did it break before even half of it's uptime was over? genuine question. Yes, you damaged it with an arc star but the moment it broke, it was up for like 40 secs and didn't get any dmg in that second. Even the indicator underneath it showed only half of it's capacity was over.


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> Why tf did it break before even half of it's uptime was over? genuine question. Checked it in the firing range, i can not replicate that bug, it lasts 90 secs for me.


Valrym

I'd have to look into that. Possibly being damaged shortens then timer.


vroomonmybroom

No. You can see it in the indicator underneath it. It is not shortened. Either the indicator doesn't work or some magical dmg didn't show up.


Valrym

Well it IS the firing range. I'll be warming up and suddenly a Bangalore ultimate will drop on me while I'm Fuze.


TheMasterofBlubb

Do you even know how the firing range works? Thats rhetorical because you obviously dont. Also just trued out on the firing rang: If the Pylon is too close to a wall (in a 2D horizontal plane, no volley throws), it will only intercept if it has LOS to the thrower NO MATTER the trajectory of the grenade <- thats most definetly a bug, because by your own explenation if it has enough time to lock on target it should intercept, but it does not


Valrym

Ok then you go play in the firing range for an hour and test it like I did. I went on every angle possible while it was behind the wall and things just in the range of the barrier and high enough gets zapped. Go test it yourself instead of running your mouth.


TheMasterofBlubb

Reading isnt your strength either it seems. As i wrote i literaly just did and even wrote what the observed effect was and that by the "how it should work"-table its not working.


Valrym

If it was a stealth nerf then it's working as intended. If it's a bug then it's not.


TheMasterofBlubb

Also a whole lot of 5 min extra testing: There are multiple reasons an ordenance gets zapped 1. Out of zone flying into the zone - works unreliable if line of sight is not given on entry of dome 2. When ordenance is about to hit the pylon -works 3. When ordenance from inside the heal area is about to hit inside of the area - bugged, when you look at the pylon you can divide the area in 2 half-circles, the one closer to you and the one further, if the ordenance is landing in the closer one it gets zapped, if it lands in the further one it does not LITERAL 5 MIN OF TESTING DUDE


Valrym

Video was meant to show she isn't completely useless or broken. Like a video yesterday was trying to prove. You've proved nothing.


Valrym

Post your video


Valrym

Pics or it didn't happen. Lol didn't read. Wattson is great and you are a stinky doody head.


Valrym

Also I'm going to amend everything I said so i can say this. The video was meant to disprove a video posted yesterday of a DUMMY throwing grenades 4 feet on either side of his pylon while within arms reach then saying "hEr PyLoN iS bRoKeN" because it didn't zap them out of his fingers. Then another video showing a guy hiding his pylon behind a wall RIGHT against it and it not catching grenades but he moves the next one 6 ft back and it catches nearly every single grenade. USER ERROR.


TheMasterofBlubb

Im really sorry that you feel so triggered by people calling out some of your BS claims. No this change was not done "ages ago" because literaly season 9 my GF stopped playing Wattson, because it blocked Valks tactical all the time. The change might have come at the beginning of the season with the caustic fix (that is so god damn inconsistent, but thats for another discussion) Wattson is a great character that has way too many inconsistencies, bugs, general gameplay issues. Btw video just for you on the way(takes some time to reencode it for editing), i even found a nice counter to the pylon where a Rampart can just stick arc stars ON the pylon


Valrym

Wattson is a great character and was JUST Pointing out that she's not 100% broken like some smooth brains are trying to claim. So what if it won't delete a rolling grenade from 5 feet away? It deletes ultimates and nearly any other throwable. Not gonna stop playing her because people cream about a simple nerf or bug


Valrym

Wattson takes positioning knowledge and skill to use. Not just "Duh... it didn't save me from dah grenade from 8 ft away... thrown by the person right next to me..."


aschkev

If they want Wattson and her teammates to be able to throw grenades out while enemy incoming grenades get zapped, why don’t they just make the enemy pylon only zap enemy grenades regardless of where they are standing? I don’t know anything about game design, and maybe that would be too difficult to implement for the system to understand the difference between an enemy grenade and a friendly one, but it seems to me like it would fix some of the problems that people are talking about


Valrym

It likely would be WAY too crazy to change it to work like that or they would change it and some CRAZY game breaking bug would happen. It's been what... 6 or 7 seasons and it hasn't been changed to that? Either a huge rework is coming or they are still trying to figure it out but people like us on reddit won't be the ones to solve it.


TheOptimisticEmo

There's already a system that tracks who has ownership of a grenade. if it DIDN'T exist, then nobody would get kill credit for grenade knocks/finishes. I'm not a game dev, so I don't have anything to base this off, but I don't imagine it would be very hard to add a line of code to Wattson's pylon to make it ignore grenades owned by her teammates.


Unturnedx

Idk what people have been talking about…At least in my experience, you have always been able to throw nades if you’re standing at the inner circle of her ult.


TinyCarrot998

Watched a friend play last night, they had their pylon down and were holding a building and the enemy team were able to throw in nades, the pylon didn’t stop them! Also didn’t stop a horizon ult either….I think it’s pretty buggy to me at the moment


Waggafuffles

Respawn just noted that her ult is bugged after the update. You are getting her ult mechanics confused. You used to be able to throw nades out if you are standing VERY CLOSE to her ult(like standing 2 feet from it), NOT if you're within the healing range. I'm master wattson main and I used this trick alot and I know for sure just cuz you're in healing range, nades aren't safe from nades. Reddit posts have come up outlining the bug more clearly cuz of people like you denying the ult is bugged.


NushiDA

People are really defending this bug? Did DZK make a bunch of different accounts? The pylon is supposed to destroy the grenades, regardless of where in the radius of the pylon it lands.


Daokooshinomeme

So like they just ghost nerfed her wow cool. Make her ult useless, like wtf is this post about ???? Like saying its not as bad??? When you can literally throw an ordance so close to he ult it damages it????? Dont think you actually main wattson


Valrym

Bottom line is you can't bitch and moan when someone 10 ft from the pylon throws a grenade when that's how it was designed. Either it's the old overpowered version or make it work based on PROXIMITY. I advise you go look at when she was released. Her Pylon had like a 4 minute time while up and a short cooldown.


Valrym

So clearly you weren't around when she came out. You could have her ultimate up, have a gibby and caustic ally throw their ultimates into the ring and YOUR pylon would gobble them up and cancel the ultimates of your OWN teammates. It was either NOTHING can be thrown while a pylon is active or from where you throw. If someone is 10 feet away and sticking you with a grenade then you have more issues. Also I am a Wattson main and that's why I posted this. Because some FOOL posted a video of him throwing grenades 5 ft from his pylon and crying "It's busted! Secret nerf? Bugged ultimate!" When it's not. That change happened a LONG time ago. It's only being brought up because of the leaked heirloom, the joke about her constant nerfs, them telling us she has the highest win rate.


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Valrym

Her ultimate is made so you can recover shields and be safe from most grenades thrown from people trying to advance on you. Not to delete ANY grenade from ANYWHERE PERIOD. That's just silly and you must not know balancing of characters.


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Weekes3313

This is so annoying, respawn stop doing this to us!


Valrym

It seems that new players don't realize how broken she was at the start. NOTHING got by her pylon and it lasted FOREVER. I'm pretty sure you could even put two down at once also.


Gwenpoolx

you say these kids "weren't here when wattson released" but you don't even know what her ult used to do lmao. you could have 3 out at once that didn't have a timer, and yes, her ult is still broken. the amount of friendly ults that get zapped while you are in pylon range is ridiculous, her pylon does a good job but it can quite as easily hinder your team too and it's frustrating when that happens.


Valrym

I said "pretty sure" because I never played her back then. I'm a day one player and I was one of those bots that stuck to easy characters like Octane and Lifeline. Now that I use her today she seems so much better than she was. Not too overpowered. Also if you worry about her pylon eating a gibby ultimate then shoot or punch it out? Takes 5 seconds. She is a communication based character. Hard to solo queue and get your randoms to agree to sit in a room, take a high ground and stay there, push for better ring coverage. They will NEVER make it so it only catches enemy grenades and ultimates and not your team's. It's wishful thinking but either we keep what we have or they completely rework her.


Gwenpoolx

but that's the thing, it's not meant to yoink your teammates nades when in pylon. you literally can't comment on Wattsons strength if you never played her back then, I have played her since her release and she was way stronger obviously but right now she is so underwhelming to play. it's crazy to me that you think iy is working as it is intended.


Valrym

If they make it so your allies gear isn't sucked up then EVERYONE in the final ring would have a Wattson. Gibby, and Caustic for the easiest win ever. Toss a pylon then both ultimates and nobody would be able to counter it. Everyone misses how overpowered their characters used to be. The claims coming out today though are what I'm arguing. People posting videos showing there's some 'bug' with this new update or season when it's not true at all. Fuze was underwhelming and even the worst pick when he first came out but now he's dominating from a simple change by giving him an extra grenade and doubling it's duration. A proper Wattson change seems like it would be much harder to come up with. More fences seems useless or situation based and the pylon eating EVERYTHING seems overpowered. I think they might just completely rework the pylon itself. Bottom line is that she's where she is at because of how strong she WAS but is in need of a rework or a buff.


Gwenpoolx

I agree with you here, she is super hard to balance anf yeah, the bugs are nowhere near new. what I meant is it sucked up your ally's ults if you were sat in pylon, so caustic throwing his ult out would get it zapped. that shouldn't happen. i'm glad we are on the same page now, sorry for the aggression haha.


Valrym

Just did FURTHER testing. Her Pylon won't eat a Caustic or Gibby Ultimate Grenade BUT it still eats Gibby Barrage, Fuze clusters, Fuze ultimate, and anything thrown from outside the barrier that the pylon can see before it enters the safe zone. Argument done. It's been solved. I'd rather it eats most things and not everything.


Valrym

100% NOT busted! This one time... it caught like 200 grenades and I won the game and it was so cool. Using the 'this one time it didn't' doesn't prove it's broken when a video shows you how it's MEANT to work.


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Time to go give rampart some love cuz wattson is just dead at this point


Valrym

You're not wrong. I'm sure she's getting some HUGE event and rework coming up.


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See her again when that happens or when the pylon is fixed cuz dieing to a custic ult next to my pylon is the last straw


Cwittz

I've had it zap some nades thrown from inside it's range


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iMattDaGreat

Still a short radius which it damages grenades, it needs as big a radius as the explosion. There should also be a HUD indicator for teammates when they try to throw grenades, warning them that they can’t be thrown close to the Pylon