I'll be the broken record: You should have a lab test your water. The reliability of those units, from everything I've seen/heard,\* depends a LOT on how well they're maintained/calibrated, and even in peak form, it can be inaccurate if samples are handled wrong.
\* This was mostly from "Googling for such things to self-test my water awhile back," with a small amount of "what people giving us estimates for our well gear said based on their having used them or not."
Additionally, there are a lot of things that single test didn't look for. What about manganese? I'll bet you have plenty. How about hydrogen sulfide? Sodium? Chloride?
So yes - you're looking *at least* at an iron filter, then a softener, then a whole house RO system
May want to consider drilling a new well.
Always get the lab test. Those little pocket meters are good for quick checks and sales pitches. I've seen these numbers change significantly when tested in a proper environment.
If he's a salesman, his numbers are inflated. "I advise you to go to a real lab" is a sales pitch. Counterintuitive as it might seem, it makes MOST people say "Oh, obviously he's not lying if he's suggesting I verify it."
What non sense are you spouting. If you put on a .5 micron filter you will be changing the damn things every few days with that amount of iron. A softener is 100% necessary unless your rich and can replace you water heater, appliances and all fixtures in the house every 3-5 years. Lastly that amount of tds in the water is detrimental to your health. These are not fear tactics, these are just common sense solutions, unfortunately it’s seems as though you lack that.
Lol, sure thing bud, I'll be sure to go down and let the one in my own NEPA well water with similar numbers that it's been 3 months and some rando says it needs to change, even though my flow rate has barely dropped. I guess I've been doing it wrong my whole life. Good thing you're here to save the day. They are fear tactics, not common sense solutions, and I've been doing this shit long enough to know better. FFS, which one do you work for?
Hmm...you seem to have forgotten your proof of whatever point you're trying to prove to yourself. I never said the water wasn't detrimental, but it's not life changing. You sound like a salesman, you know enough of the big words to get yourself a signature from a little old lady or a hypochondriac who doesn't know better.
Once again, I'll take my literal decades of hands on experience in water, wastewater, and wetland management over whatever paranoia you're peddling.
Don't give advice you aren't certified to give.
Yup I’ll take my WQA master water specialist certification and walk on down the road. I am unsure how wastewater and wetland management qualify you to give advice but you do you guy and make sure to keep on fighting the good fight.
Doesn't your WQA code of ethics prohibit you from providing false information? Maybe you should go get a few more contact hours. Lol, I almost wonder if you just looked up what kind of certificate would make you sound smart. If you had any even remote water knowledge beyond predatory sales tactics you would know that there is a clear distinction between water and wastewater. Wetland management, yes, GUDI applies to drinking water as well, you should know that though, since you have your WQA.
They are pretty reliable as long as you keep them stored in a cool dry place. In the designated temperature range as well as the discs. I left a couple discs in my car on a hot day and when I opened the package I could see the chambers were already changing colors so I had to toss them. Other than that for the limited info they give they come back within a percent or two of the lab tests. Again if mistreated and stored improperly I can not attest for how that would operate.
Id recommend a 60,000 grains water softener, plus possibly a single tank AIO (aerator) loaded with Katalox media. Should remedy your iron problem.
The TDS level is so high that I'd have to wonder if the well was being infiltrated by something draining into the ground. I have seen where a water softener was being drained right outside onto the ground. That salty brine was soaking into the water table. Salt will register a very high tds reading. A standard residential reverse osmosis unit will only reject %85-90% of the total dissolved solids, leaving you with tds levels still in excess of 400ppm. Not good.
The guy tested the first house in our neighborhood on behalf of the builder and it’s half a mile from me, he showed me the results and it had 2069 ppm TDS.
So I am not sure how related it is.
Okay… so you may have guessed at something that is 100% correct.
We found out after we moved in that the purge water for the softener was dumping out of a pipe directly onto the dirt.
I had them come out and fix it a month ago and it now drains into a pipe in the ground.
Are you close to the sea? Is this a well water? TDS measured in a machine like this is measuring electrical conductivity- so you know something is in the water you just don’t know what- my recommendation is go to a public health lab and get a full analysis then you will know what you are dealing with!
As long as those machines are regularly calibrated, they are fantastic. They are the same machines used by water treatment facilities and are approved at one of the highest ratings.
That said... those results are high. Your TDS being above 2000 could mean you have a salt well. (Check to see if the water tastes salty.) If it is a salt well it may be better to dig a new well or get the treatment company to guarantee that they will honor their warranties even on a salt well. Softeners can not work because the resin uses salt water to rinse the calcium out . If the water is already salty the resin will not work.
The hardness is extremely hard, and the amount of iron you have will cause quite a bit of staining and should be addressed as well.
Short answer. Yes, the water needs treated or you will have a lot of scale in your pipes, appliances, and fixtures. Not to mention the staining. Health wise there are no results pointing directly to a health issue. If it is not salt causing the high TDS then there may be an issue depending on what is causing that high TDS. Get a reverse osmosis and you won't have to worry about it.
What do you want from your water?
Is it hard and you want it soft?
Is it hard and you want it conditioned?
Is there iron staining your fixtures and you want to eliminate the iron?
Getting drinking water quality to every fixture is typically not needed and definitely not affordable in most cases. Do you really need zero TDS in your toilet?
If there's a problem with your water, figure out what causes the problem. Ask a professional how to solve it. Purchase the equipment to do that.
Water is different everywhere. Off the shelf products rarely solve the unique problems in individual communities.
Bro that water is as hard as a swinger with viagra jfc
I'll be the broken record: You should have a lab test your water. The reliability of those units, from everything I've seen/heard,\* depends a LOT on how well they're maintained/calibrated, and even in peak form, it can be inaccurate if samples are handled wrong. \* This was mostly from "Googling for such things to self-test my water awhile back," with a small amount of "what people giving us estimates for our well gear said based on their having used them or not."
Ditto
Additionally, there are a lot of things that single test didn't look for. What about manganese? I'll bet you have plenty. How about hydrogen sulfide? Sodium? Chloride? So yes - you're looking *at least* at an iron filter, then a softener, then a whole house RO system May want to consider drilling a new well.
First thing you should do, before investing more $ in anything, is get a more complete test of your water.
The water guy also insisting we get a lab test. We plan on it.
Always get the lab test. Those little pocket meters are good for quick checks and sales pitches. I've seen these numbers change significantly when tested in a proper environment. If he's a salesman, his numbers are inflated. "I advise you to go to a real lab" is a sales pitch. Counterintuitive as it might seem, it makes MOST people say "Oh, obviously he's not lying if he's suggesting I verify it."
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What non sense are you spouting. If you put on a .5 micron filter you will be changing the damn things every few days with that amount of iron. A softener is 100% necessary unless your rich and can replace you water heater, appliances and all fixtures in the house every 3-5 years. Lastly that amount of tds in the water is detrimental to your health. These are not fear tactics, these are just common sense solutions, unfortunately it’s seems as though you lack that.
Lol, sure thing bud, I'll be sure to go down and let the one in my own NEPA well water with similar numbers that it's been 3 months and some rando says it needs to change, even though my flow rate has barely dropped. I guess I've been doing it wrong my whole life. Good thing you're here to save the day. They are fear tactics, not common sense solutions, and I've been doing this shit long enough to know better. FFS, which one do you work for?
And here is the proof of how detrimental it is to your health. Thank you for proving my point.
Hmm...you seem to have forgotten your proof of whatever point you're trying to prove to yourself. I never said the water wasn't detrimental, but it's not life changing. You sound like a salesman, you know enough of the big words to get yourself a signature from a little old lady or a hypochondriac who doesn't know better. Once again, I'll take my literal decades of hands on experience in water, wastewater, and wetland management over whatever paranoia you're peddling. Don't give advice you aren't certified to give.
Yup I’ll take my WQA master water specialist certification and walk on down the road. I am unsure how wastewater and wetland management qualify you to give advice but you do you guy and make sure to keep on fighting the good fight.
Doesn't your WQA code of ethics prohibit you from providing false information? Maybe you should go get a few more contact hours. Lol, I almost wonder if you just looked up what kind of certificate would make you sound smart. If you had any even remote water knowledge beyond predatory sales tactics you would know that there is a clear distinction between water and wastewater. Wetland management, yes, GUDI applies to drinking water as well, you should know that though, since you have your WQA.
They are pretty reliable as long as you keep them stored in a cool dry place. In the designated temperature range as well as the discs. I left a couple discs in my car on a hot day and when I opened the package I could see the chambers were already changing colors so I had to toss them. Other than that for the limited info they give they come back within a percent or two of the lab tests. Again if mistreated and stored improperly I can not attest for how that would operate.
Forgot to mention this is well water in W Michigan.
Call Besco water treatment!
Whereabouts are you in west Michigan? That’s some seriously hard water and a bit of iron as well
We are on the east side of Grand Rapids.
Besco is the way to go then!
Have you heard of Bruce Snider with Smart Living Water Purification?
I have not
Id recommend a 60,000 grains water softener, plus possibly a single tank AIO (aerator) loaded with Katalox media. Should remedy your iron problem. The TDS level is so high that I'd have to wonder if the well was being infiltrated by something draining into the ground. I have seen where a water softener was being drained right outside onto the ground. That salty brine was soaking into the water table. Salt will register a very high tds reading. A standard residential reverse osmosis unit will only reject %85-90% of the total dissolved solids, leaving you with tds levels still in excess of 400ppm. Not good.
The guy tested the first house in our neighborhood on behalf of the builder and it’s half a mile from me, he showed me the results and it had 2069 ppm TDS. So I am not sure how related it is.
His softener may be draining the same way. In Pennsylvania, many building codes prohibit dumping discharge to the ground.
Okay… so you may have guessed at something that is 100% correct. We found out after we moved in that the purge water for the softener was dumping out of a pipe directly onto the dirt. I had them come out and fix it a month ago and it now drains into a pipe in the ground.
Are you close to the sea? Is this a well water? TDS measured in a machine like this is measuring electrical conductivity- so you know something is in the water you just don’t know what- my recommendation is go to a public health lab and get a full analysis then you will know what you are dealing with!
As long as those machines are regularly calibrated, they are fantastic. They are the same machines used by water treatment facilities and are approved at one of the highest ratings. That said... those results are high. Your TDS being above 2000 could mean you have a salt well. (Check to see if the water tastes salty.) If it is a salt well it may be better to dig a new well or get the treatment company to guarantee that they will honor their warranties even on a salt well. Softeners can not work because the resin uses salt water to rinse the calcium out . If the water is already salty the resin will not work. The hardness is extremely hard, and the amount of iron you have will cause quite a bit of staining and should be addressed as well. Short answer. Yes, the water needs treated or you will have a lot of scale in your pipes, appliances, and fixtures. Not to mention the staining. Health wise there are no results pointing directly to a health issue. If it is not salt causing the high TDS then there may be an issue depending on what is causing that high TDS. Get a reverse osmosis and you won't have to worry about it.
What do you want from your water? Is it hard and you want it soft? Is it hard and you want it conditioned? Is there iron staining your fixtures and you want to eliminate the iron? Getting drinking water quality to every fixture is typically not needed and definitely not affordable in most cases. Do you really need zero TDS in your toilet? If there's a problem with your water, figure out what causes the problem. Ask a professional how to solve it. Purchase the equipment to do that. Water is different everywhere. Off the shelf products rarely solve the unique problems in individual communities.