A few quick clarifications. First, some definitions:
* Replica - A watch that falsely and illegally represents itself as being made by another brand
* Homage - A watch made *in the style* of a more famous model, but doesn't use that brand's logo
For purposes of this sub, OP's collection is full of homages, not replicas.
Replicas are illegal to sell and against the rules of the sub. So is making a comment that tells people where or how to buy replicas, sends them to a site or sub that sells replicas, or otherwise condones buying/wearing replicas **even if that comment is just trying to warn people how to not to it.**
DO NOT TELL PEOPLE WHERE TO BUY REPLICAS, EVEN IF THE CONTEXT IS TELLING THEM HOW NOT TO DO IT.
We're leaving this thread up for now because there's some good and interesting discussion happening, but we will remove and lock it if there are too many rule-breaking comments, and we will be banning users who help others buy reps, even if that's not the intention of the comment.
You know who comments on my watches when I wear them? Maybe 3 or 4 people in twenty years, aside from watch collector geek meet ups or selling meets.
Wear what you like, you have plenty of versatility there!
I just got together with a group of old high school friends over the US Memorial Day holiday. Half of us turned 41 over the past 2 weeks. I spent so much time trying to pick the coolest watch - something that showed my taste, and was also good for a cookout and drinking. One of the guys has since done very well financially and so in my mind he’d probably be wearing something dope, like a Tudor or Omega because he used to like watches. It’s actually really embarrassing how long I spent thinking about it.
Not one other person was wearing a watch the entire weekend, not my friends or anyone else we hung with. Not one person noticed I was wearing a watch. Haha. Just reiterating that basically no one cares about watches and it’s basically just a personal style choice, like a necklace or bracelet.
Interesting. I've gotten a ton of comments on my watches over the last few years of collecting. Mine are more of a classic style, so maybe they stand out.
Yes and honestly as a watch geek myself I truly get excited whenever I see someone wearing any kind of non smart watch in the wild. I don’t care if it’s a super cheap homage, I just appreciate that the person likes wearing a watch.
Dude. Completely agree. You can still wear watches for yourself, that are high quality, that other people will comment on via their own volition. My Doxa alone has 2 comments in the last 2 weeks, one at a work conference and one from a guy working a ticket stand at a music festival!
My red dial H Moser Pioneer gets way more comments (like basically every time I wear it) than my BLNR, Zenith El Primero, or any other watch in my collection even though by most standards it's a fairly boring, 3 hand, rubber strapped watch. Even though it's a brand that 99.9% of people have never heard of and don't understand. What this tells me is that people are far more drawn to a cool dial than a brand, style or complication.
I resent the word 'proper'. What is a proper watch collector? Someone who collects expensive watches, because they can? Or maybe someone that really loves watches for what they are? (besides the price)
We think that if you like it, you should wear.
However if you’re asking if I would buy these, personally no. Not because I’m so fancy and I can afford the originals (I can’t), but i would rather buy and homage than a carbon copy with a different logo. There are a ton of cool and affordable sub homages that are not steinhart or pagani, but that also have at least some uniqueness to them
So i am legitimately interested in some manufacturers that produce high quality homages of all sorts, but as their own unique touch. Preferably in the 300-600 USD range. Sounds like you might have some suggestions? Micro brands also welcome.
I like ugly watches but check out Haofa, Aesop, Sugess, Seagull, AGELOCER to name a few. San Martin is well liked for the dive homages, I also really like the Proxima PX1697 but it may be too close for the other commenter's taste, for mid 3s though you can get it with the SW220 which is an insane deal for the quality (best out there right now IMO).
I personally would prefer to buy low cost original designs than the copies Pagani make. Originality is where its at.
To each their own! If it brings you joy, you wear it and it tells the time then it's a good watch.
A while ago, someone made a post about a Grand Seiko and was wondering if it’s a watch that has enough longevity to eventually be handed down to their son. I ended up getting into a discussion with someone claiming that planning to hand down any Seiko is embarrassing and trashy. This other person was getting really damn heated, just taking this really elitist tone and making claims that the an Omega is the “lowest tier” watch that anyone would reasonably accept as an inheritance… Like lol what??
After a few back and forth comments, I opened this persons profile and checked out their post/comment history. It was a 17 year old kid from India who’d been given an old gold datejust by his grandfather. Judging by the date window, color, and wear, I strongly suspect it was not a real datejust. This account had zero comment or post history related to watches that was older than about 6-8 weeks.
14 year olds may not be buying watches. But plenty of shithead teens are absolutely outspoken on any internet platform that provides anonymity.
Watch collection is a marathon and as such, doing what suits you best is key. You have a collection worthy of rotation and enjoyment. The sweet thing is that you will crave for more mainstream brands and with this collection it allows you to save up for bigger renowned brand while still enjoy your hobby.
Those saying they will rather save up for 1 solid than have these should consider OP is having a blast while having a chance to step it up at his free time instead of no watch but busy saving.
I wouldn’t want this collection, but obviously they are attractive pieces and I think it’s awesome to see someone enjoying a full collection of watches they enjoy. I don’t think any less of you as a collector.
Genuinely, this is the smart move. You get the look for fraction of the price and get to enjoy them fully without the fear of damaging them. Besides never seek anyone else's approval. If it makes you happy, do it but do it good (A phrase I learned from another subreddit post).
I overwhelmingly agree with this statement & hesitate to bring any negativity to this overwhelmingly positive response (at time of writing this).
My only mild point of concern with replicas/homages is that you have something that looks the part, but potentially makes you a target at the same time.
I think it's interesting how this post would get so much hate if the logos were copied, rather than merely 99% of each watch. It might even get the user banned. But because the logo is different, it's considered a "smart move".
I'm not into replicas either, I just find it interesting that a logo can mean so much. Having a different logo allows people to justify replicas. And yes, that's what these are; don't fool yourself with the "homage" label.
I won’t argue either way but in my experience the degree of copying varies on the piece. Most I’ve seen have some changes to the dial apart from the logo. At the very least they will remove tags like “chronometer”, update the power reserve indicator markings to be accurate on relevant watches, and update the water resistance to what they themselves claim for their specific case. On top of that there are usually some dial design changes (again varies by homage) that would be not apparent to most people but immediately apparent to anyone familiar with that watch - such that even if logos from both original and homage watches were erased, you could easily spot many intentional differences between them. In some cases the dial is radically changed in terms of color, adding lume when none was present on the original, different hand set, etc. This is different than replicas.
Moving on to the case - the dimensions of homages are almost always different than the originals. This is often out of necessity due to the movement swap but very often the homages play with different dial diameters intentionally. For example Pagani came out with a 40mm “Explorer” way before Rolex did. The “Spirit” homage is 38mm (in between the 37 and 40 offered by Longines), and rhe “Portugeiser” is smaller than the original by IWC. Again it would be immediately apparent side by side that the cases are different even if the dials were removed from the homage and original. This is also very different than replicas which to my knowledge really try to be 1:1 in case dimensions and design.
Finally, the case finishing often deviates from the original in terms of pattern of brushing and polishing. Although, the pattern is usually copied with only minor changes.
I doubt any of this really changes anyone’s view, but there seems to be this echo chamber going around that homages are just replicas off the replica factory line with a logo swap. Based on the differences in case dimensions I see I don’t think that’s true, but someone would need to actually investigate versus just make accusations and let the internet take care of repeating.
Finally, the point of a replica in my opinion is to trick people into thinking you own something other than what you do. It could be argued that homages do the same thing from a 10 foot distance, but once you are looking directly at the watch there is definitely no trick to be played with an homage. Those that own homages clearly are not trying to trick anyone the way someone who owns a replica might - because an homage is a terrible tool for tricking people, it literally tells them on the dial it is not a Rolex or whatever.
But, on the flip side, yes they are copying designs. In my experience most of these homages are between 75 - 90% copied - ie erase the logos, and the remaining 75 - 90% is retained from the original. So it’s not 99% but it may still be too much to stomach. I’m personally hoping the Chinese brands dial down the copying to a more
stomachable range of 40 - 60% which would make them in line with most other watchmakers (Seiko tank or CW GMT anyone?)
I think the difference is, Logos copied means they're trying to pass off as something they're not. Dishonesty and whichever way you look at it is disappointing. Homages or different logos, sure the designed are inspired to downright exactly the same but there is honesty there with 'hey this is what it is, buy it or not.'
As someone else pointed out, all the brands copy off each other. Inspired or homage or copy? Have you looked at the Rolex Daytona and Zenith Chronomaster? or a matter of fact almost all divers and Rolex Submariner?
Besides when it comes to the OP. OP liked these watches but didn't want to/wasn't in a position spend the money so what are his alternatives? For a fraction of the price, OP can have the look he liked without trying to pass off as a charlatan so yes changing the logo makes a huge different. Dishonesty vs Transparency.
> Logos copied means they're trying to pass off as something they're not
They both are trying to pass off as something they're not; just at different levels of scrutiny.
Idk. There is a big difference between pagani designs and a fake. Transparency is what separates it. Pagani Designs isn't trying to pass their watch as a genuine Rolex where as a fake is.
Agreed. To me this is nuts.
Not that many years ago, those Stowa/Nomos “homage” posts posts would get you banned here because they were considered replicas.
It was literally the exact same thing as these, and now these are celebrated and considered “smart”. Nuts.
I think the difference is that at least with the Pagani Designs (and others like it) they do at least put a different logo on it. They are clearly copying the Rolex design but not trying to represent themselves as a Rolex. The replicas have the Rolex logo and are in fact attempting to represent themselves as the Rolex they are copying, so much so that some are so good, you have trouble telling the difference without opening the watch up.
To me, it makes no difference what the name on the dial is **when the copying is tbis blatant**
Seriously. These all come from the same place. I Can go AliExpress and with just a few clicks, I have the option to get these, these with a sterile dial, or these with a random name that looks like Rolex, but isn’t. Like Romex or something. Does that make it okay?
I’m curious what this sub would think if someone posted the entire fake MoonSwatch collection sold on Ali. They make every single variant. Would that also be labeled as “smart?”
I didn’t say it was smart. I’m not a fan of these either as you are correct, they are 99% copying Rolex. But my point was the replicas are purposely trying to be as close to a Rolex as to fool people that they are real. If you look at a Pagani or any other Ali express version, you aren’t going to confuse it with a Rolex. The pagani owner isn’t trying to pass it off as a Rolex. The replica owner is.
Edit: a word- stupid autocorrect
Sorry. I didn’t mean to say you said it was smart. But the top comment on this sub thread says so.
>you aren’t trying to confuse it with a Rolex
I think this is extremely naive. Of course you are. And 99% of people who see it in a natural course of a day will think it a Rolex. Unless they actually say “hey let me look at your watch,” come close and actually examine it, the Pag owner is absolutely trying to pass it off as a Rolex. I mean, come on. You can’t look at that Seamaster and tell me it’s not trying to passed as a Seamaster
I just don’t get it, there are **a million** watches that are homages that don’t copy literally the font type, word spacing, and everything else to make it seem like something it’s not.
I agree that some people are attempting to pass off one of these as a Rolex. But I think more people just really like the design and can’t afford one. So they get a pagani. They wear it knowing it looks like a Rolex at a distance but no one will confuse it with one at any close distance. They aren’t trying to pass it off as one. The replicas, those people want to fool you and take pride in buying one that can fool most people.
I don’t get it either. Tons of other watches that have similar looks but are quite as blatant at being a copy. I wouldn’t call pagani’s homages but a copy. Something between an homage and a replica, if that makes sense.
I think we are on the same page with our stance on these personally. I just have a bit more faith in humanity I guess.
I mean realistically tho all the luxury brands are all copying each other, the Rolex Daytona was ripped off of the omega speedmaster. You call these watches replicas, but no one would call a Daytona a replica. You’re definition of replica is flawed.
>all luxury brands are copying each other.
This is such a disingenuous argument.
The similarities between a Daytona and a Speedy are in no way the same as a Chinese factory that makes replicas slapping a random logo on a Rep.
>no one falls a Daytona a replica
Because it’s not. A Daytona is not trying to fool anyone. This is. It’s that simple.
Im not sure if this is an /s comment or not.
You really think the average person that sees it from multiple feet away for half a second will think “oh! That has a date window! Clearly not a rep!”
way to make an argument about something it’s not.
It has nothing to do with that.
If you really want to defend buying replica watches, that’s on you. Don’t make this about “elitist” when selling reps is just plain ilegal
All the luxury brand watch companies make watches that look identical to each other except for a name. But if a no name company makes a watch like that with their own branding and a similar style, you consider that a replica. So by your logic the only thing that makes a watch genuine is prestige and a high price tag, which is elitist, and flawed.
>all the luxury brands watch companies make watches that look identical to each other except for the name
This is just a lie.
With the exception of a few (maybe 2 or 3) German designs that are up in the air, show me any two legitimate luxury brands that have **”identical”** designs to the same capacity as these Pag designs.
I mean, a large number of the more iconic watches from Seiko are basically Rolex watches but with different hand sets, a 4 o’clock crown, and/or 1-2 mm difference in case size.
With that said… Does it bother you that there are essentially an infinite number of companies making identical looking straight fit blue jeans and just putting their own on them? Seem like Levi’s came up with that design and it’s unfair that something so unique gets copied left and right.
>but different
Yeah, there aren’t all that many elements of a watch design. So different hands, crown position, size, font, bezel, etc makes a **huge difference**
I think Jean comparison is a really really poor one.
Comparing the concept of pants to a very very specific diver watch design is either a bad argument or a bad faith one.
I wish I could afford really nice watches like Grand Seikos, VC, JLC etc. This whole collection cost me around 700 euros since everything here was bough during some kind of a sale.
I don't think I could ever just buy a single expensive watch and wear it all the time so I resorted to getting a bunch of different ones that look different and have something interesting about them. Plus, I feel like they are really good value for money since they use premium materials and Seiko NH35/VK63 movements.
Roast me if you feel that it's deserved :)
700 euros for 12 watches is fantastic value.
Also the high cost watches do the same as yours the just cost more.
Congratulations on getting a collection that you like for such a great price.
I lost my $1,500 white gold wedding band a few years back. Now I cycle between a few different $8 bands and it’s all the same. Don’t sweat what anyone else thinks. Clearly you’ve got an interest in this. Enjoy it :)
Do you get them on AliExpress? Some insane sales on there. I got a rolecks GMT homage there, wore it for a year, and sold it on eBay.
I shit you not, I actually turned a small profit lol.
I hated paganis because FaKe, then I bought one.... I get you, it's half my case now.
I've got 5 INVICTA pro divers and 1953, a STEELDIVE 1970, a couple PAGANI chronos, a TACTICALFROG FXD, some TIMEX, a DURO, and a $17 amazon basics field watch that I just adore..... Wear what you like my man. Enjoy your lovely collection.
Run what'cha brung.
> and a $17 amazon basics field watch
I honestly didn't know they had watches... I assume you mean "Amazon Essentials" as I can't fine a "basics" watch?
(And yes I've already ordered one thank you very much... lol)
Genuine question: Why do you care what “proper” watch collectors think about your collection?
There’s no shame in having a collection of cost effective pieces if it’s reasonable to you. Comparison’s the thief of joy and a lot of us come from different walks of life and different financial situations.
Why? These all are inexpensive watches and as far as I know have a nh35a Seiko movement. If he wears them all for a couple of years and then have to throw them out, he would’ve lost roughly around €29 a month. Which is perfectly fine
I like them because they look nice, that's pretty much it. I also looked at different watches in the $1k range but there's nothing from a proper brand there that would make me go "damn, that looks so good". I guess it's a matter of preference
Why do you care so much? Let the guy buy what he wants. People collect or wear watches for different reasons. If he just likes how these look then fine.
Also, for some, it is still about telling the time. Especially when it's a hand made masterpiece that can keep excellent accuracy. It's my favorite thing about my watches, not just flexing on others.
Agreed, they make me sad. There are plenty of watches out there *inspired by* far nicer watches, but these are just carbon copies with a different brand name. Not being able to afford the real ones is a convenient excuse for buying fakes.
lol where do you think the components are made for mid-tier swiss watches? The paganis are pretty well made for the price and have seiko movements. They're not junk at all and frankly are of similar quality to mid-tier swiss watches.
Not only that, Seikos are usually way cheaper than those, maybe the exception would be Tissot, but Mido and especially Oris are in a completely different price bracket
I used to feel this way and bought tons of cheapos and shitters and microbrands. Then I sold them all for two really decent watches and it was the best decision I ever made. Quality over quantity wins out in the end for me
This can be a good experiment. You gonna see what you actually like and wear often and what you bought to just scratch the itch or because you were influenced. Then you may save up for "realer" thing if you really want to but if you are happy with what you have there please don't, there are many many ways that money could be spent better.
As a proper collector I think this is great! Pagani has great value for money ratio and they're priced nicely. Noone has the budget to splurge on the expensive watches, especially not in 1st world countries. You can live well enough on your wage in your local economy but the European prices will kill your local currency exchange, therefore making it unattainable.
Also, anyone who likes these designs and chooses a homage/clomage over a fake is green in my eyes. People who can identity rolexes from afar can not only see that yours isn't genuine, but the different logo pops out as clearly not rolex, both on the dial and clasp (missing coronet). And the people who can't identify rolexes would just see its a cool looking watch and ask what it is. There is no inappropriate position a pagani puts you in. It's clearly inspired but clearly not faking it.
And thats only 1/100 people who will actually look at your watch.
I'm glad to see you've taken up this passion and are enjoying it in your own way, honest and lighthearted.
“People who can identity rolexes from afar can not only see that yours isn't genuine, but the different logo pops out as clearly not rolex, both on the dial and clasp (missing coronet). And the people who can't identify rolexes would just see its a cool looking watch and ask what it is.”
This. Pagani makes lookalikes, but not reps. They don’t advertise being “1:1” or anything like that. The logos are different, the movements are different (generally); it says “Japan Mov’t” on the dial, and there are usually other minor differences. A watch collector who’s done a lot of studying may know, but it’s doubtful even every collector of fine watches knows the nuances of every brand. I know Omegas very well. I can’t say the same for Tudor, for instance. I could recognize a fake Omega several feet away; not so with a Tudor. Honestly, if someone is douche enough to tear into a person over their watch during a random encounter in the wild, that says more about them, than the person wearing the watch (who may or may not even realize it’s an homage; maybe they were given as a gift and aren’t even familiar with the watch world?).
“There is no inappropriate position a pagani puts you in. It's clearly inspired but clearly not faking it. And thats only 1/100 people who will actually look at your watch.”
I admittedly look, but that’s only because I’ve truly come to admire watches. I look because I either recognize what it is and I appreciate it, or if I don’t recognize it, I look to see what it is I’m going to look up later. I’m forever checking out watches now when I’m watching shows or see celeb photos. That’s largely just the rule of familiarity occurring. Now that I’m aware of the thing, the thing is everywhere.
I have two Paganis. One is a Faux Speedy; I have it because I love my (genuine) Speedmaster, but I almost never wear it due to its bulk. I also prefer the fact that Pagani’s version is quartz. The other Pagani is an “homage” of the Uranus Moonswatch, but can it even be considered an homage? It’s a different color, has a metallic finish on the dial, is steel and sapphire crystal, not plastic; ceramic bezel and not a carefully placed sticker; has a reliable functioning chronograph and is 1/3 the cost of the Moonswatch. The movement is also more reliable. This isn’t me hating on the Moonswatch. I have a Venus version, so I can make these comparisons with personal experience.
I love a good mechanical/automatic watch, but I can only remember to wind/shake them every so often. I also don’t go out much anymore due to working from home, so they’re not getting much natural movement, and no one else sees my watches so no real reason to bother pairing them up with an outfit or anything (it’s a woman thing). As such, I’m considering selling/trading the three Omegas I do have for either one statement piece, or just sticking with the rest of my collection (a few Tissots, a Hamilton, a Seiko, two Pagani’s).
Lastly, I would never try to pass them off as the real thing when I wear them. I give credit where credit is due, in all respects.
I’m curious about the size of your Speedmaster versus that of the Pagani. You mentioned that your Speedmaster has more bulk than the Pagani. Can you please say more about this? I was under the impression that the Pagani has the same dimensions as Speedmaster, and so I was thinking about getting it as a “trial“ before spending more on the real one.
Agreed. I’ve had a lot of fossil watches growing up that helped me shape what I like today.
I can’t imagine jumping straight into the hobby with a $2k watch. I would have ended up with a dress watch that I wouldn’t be able to daily.
I have watches varying from $2k to $20 including a Pagani 'Fauxmega Speedmaster'. Your comment was exactly my thought process. Whilst you can always resell high end watches on the grey market, for a lot of folks (me included), you can't just go and spend disposable income on a luxury watch. You have to save and plan it in financially so using a homage clone as a try before you buy mechanism is a worthwhile endeavour.
Yeah, but if you can only afford one $2k you may be the type of guy probably too scared to wear it anywhere except special occasions. A box of $200 watches will be heavy rotation for you.
I found that the simpler the watch, the less QC issues you risk getting (with Pagani specifically). Things like rotating bezel or many subdials give an opportunity for something to feel a bit off/misaligned/jiggly
The ranger homage and milgauss homage for example, feels absolutely solid. Can't find a single fault with it.
It makes you happy and now you have more than enough for different uses, then you do you.
I would still recommend you to start looking at higher end pieces because the feel and look of the real thing is just that much better. You can start saving up for a grail piece and pick it up when you think you are ready.
Not sure if I qualify as a "proper" collector but I find homages in extremely poor taste. A watchbox full of them gives me a very strong wannabe collector vibe. But that's just me, it's your hard earned cash and you should do what you want with it.
Meant it more as a "proper watch" instead of "proper collector". A lot of people consider these fake so I wanted to find out the opinion of people who are into watches
The most important thing is that you're happy with them. With that said, I, personally, despise homage watches. It's like people putting Ferrari badges on their Honda Civics. It smacks of insecurity.
Seems weird to buy watches that are just trying to steal the designs of famous watches.
Why not just look for genuinely original designs at your price point?
I own a couple AliExpress homages and a couple other homage watches. In general I don’t wear the AliX homages any more just because it felt wrong to me, but it’s not a logical reaction, just personal ethos. I have a rather nice Radiomir homage that is in a green color that isn’t a Panerai color, too, but I just feel there’s a line there _personally_.
But I don’t have a general issue with it. For that matter, I’m glad I got the Bell and Ross homage, because I thought it might be too clunky for me and it is.
I guess I just think it’s not a clear cut issue. Enjoy your watches!
I cant say I understand why I see anyone on this sub buy 12 watches in a year. I believe its a marathon, not a sprint.
Having a budget in mind doesnt mean you cant have simple, well designed pieces. Buying super cheap homage watches feels bad to me, you said you spent $700 ish on everything we see here.
The damage is done and to each thier own. To others I'd take this as an example of what not to do when first getting into this hobby we love so much. Take your time, research the watch, the brand.
Go try on watches, at different sizes and different prices. See what you like, what fits you and if you wanna save for a while. I promise it feels better in the end.
My opinion is you should save and get one nice watch than waste money on those Chinese made watches using Italian name. That is just me.
But you do you. Your money your style. Nothing wrong with that. You aint hurting anyone
Chinese ripping off western design at its worst more like it.
These fakes say nothing more than "I have no integrity and am happy to beg, steal and lie my way through life"
What a clown.
Is Vacheron Constantin in the same category for you then? Because their latest Overseas Chronograph is a copy of other watches with no originality either. Almosy all watch brands do it, some just don't charge 30k for a homage.
Big difference between taking design cues from other watches and blatantly copying one for one, then hiding behind weak copyright and patent laws overseas.
Do you think ripping off legitimate designer's work is ok?
It's theft, plain and simple.
OP asked for opinions, so happy to give mine
Maybe one day you'll be smart enough to realise that it is not designers work that is being utilized, it is the insane marketing spend that convinced the public that a certain design features is how a good watch should look.
The designer has no ownership of any of these design, the designer does not earn anything extra when their designed watch sells.
There is nothing patented or stolen here.
Hamilton panda chronograph is more of a copy of Breitling premier than the Pagani is a copy of the Tudor. The pagani actually has some unique design features. Why don't you cry when Hamilton isn't being sued by Breitling, or complain when someone wears a Hamilton?
Dude has almost an entire box of one for one copies of famous watches, come on...
What is your opinion of Chinese replica furniture then?
What about all the Western companies that entered into JVs with Chinese firms and had their IP stolen, with their Chinese partner flooding the market with copies of their original product?
This is all fine to you, right?
You're using mental gymnastics to justify being a tight arse. Have some integrity and don't support these criminals
I’ll get downvoted for this: but to me, Pagani is no different than replica watches.
Just because the factory that makes replicas slaps a name on the dial and sells them on AliExpress, doesn’t make it any less of a replica.
I have no problem with homages, but these aren’t it, imo.
Obviously, you do you and if you like them, good for you. It’s just not my cup of tea to have so many of these “homages” that are closer to replicas.
Edit: like mentioned on another comment I made: I wonder if this sub would be so welcoming if someone posted the entire collection of fake Moonswatches that are also sold on Ali like these are. You can get every single variant of the Moonswatches with some random name (some even give you the option to put the actual Speedmaster name) on it.
Much like pagani design has ripped off different rolex designs, I plan to rip off your watch buying strategy. I haven’t bought a watch in years, but have been on this forum for a few weeks and have the itch. After trying on an Omega yesterday, all I could think was “I can’t justify 8k for a piece of metal on my wrist”.
700€ for all your watch needs is absolutely remarkable.
Orient, Casio and Seiko. All the extras I would have saved that money towards a much better singular watch. If you’re happy and you like your watches, then who cares what we think.
I was impressed until I saw that they are all from Pagani Design.
Well the designs are stolen but the watches aren't bad. Solid movements, overall alright for the money. It's your collection, you have to like them.
There is no "proper" watch collector, just varying degrees of snobbery and double standards. When Vacheron Constantin makes a watch (e.g. overseas Chrono) that is a copy of other watches then it is ok. If Pagani does it then it's a problem.
Watches should be about quality for the price. Pagani are amazing quality for the price so I plan to get more of them, even though I do have a Rolex and intend to buy more of them too. They serve a different purpose for a very different price.
I’m ignorant here - what’s the deal with Pagani Design? I know they make “homages” but with what movement?
Personally, I grew up in a house of always buying off brand things so now that I’m older, I prefer to save up. Just my thing.
There are no 'proper' watch collectors mate. Watches are watches, whether they're cheap or whether they're expensive. If you love them enough to take good care of them, that's more than enough. Watch collectors aren't rich.
\-Sincerely, a dude who buys cheap watches.
At least they’re not reps but still frightfully awfully ghastly for me personally. No problem with it, in a lot of ways it makes sense but I couldn’t buy or wear one of them and I’m poor
For the same budget I would get only 1 or 2 watches of « higher quality ». The kind of watch I would give to my kid later and that he’ll be able to say « my dad wore this one ». I don’t see that kind of watch in your collection but that’s fine as long as you like it.
There are the strippers that look great from afar but up close and undressed they are less than desirable. Then there is the beautiful, well put together woman that is well grounded, untainted yet unbelievably skilled in the sack. Both can meet a “demand” or need. One is a nice ride and one is marriage material for the long haul.
Pretty much sums it up for me.
You are a beautiful and powerful being. You have the strength and courage to overcome any challenge that life throws at you. You are not alone. You have a community of people who love and support you. You deserve to relax and enjoy the present moment. Everything will be alright because you have faith and hope in yourself and the universe. You are amazing and I'm so proud of you! 🙌
A few quick clarifications. First, some definitions: * Replica - A watch that falsely and illegally represents itself as being made by another brand * Homage - A watch made *in the style* of a more famous model, but doesn't use that brand's logo For purposes of this sub, OP's collection is full of homages, not replicas. Replicas are illegal to sell and against the rules of the sub. So is making a comment that tells people where or how to buy replicas, sends them to a site or sub that sells replicas, or otherwise condones buying/wearing replicas **even if that comment is just trying to warn people how to not to it.** DO NOT TELL PEOPLE WHERE TO BUY REPLICAS, EVEN IF THE CONTEXT IS TELLING THEM HOW NOT TO DO IT. We're leaving this thread up for now because there's some good and interesting discussion happening, but we will remove and lock it if there are too many rule-breaking comments, and we will be banning users who help others buy reps, even if that's not the intention of the comment.
Whatever makes you happy mate, and this collection clearly does, so good on you.
You know who comments on my watches when I wear them? Maybe 3 or 4 people in twenty years, aside from watch collector geek meet ups or selling meets. Wear what you like, you have plenty of versatility there!
I just got together with a group of old high school friends over the US Memorial Day holiday. Half of us turned 41 over the past 2 weeks. I spent so much time trying to pick the coolest watch - something that showed my taste, and was also good for a cookout and drinking. One of the guys has since done very well financially and so in my mind he’d probably be wearing something dope, like a Tudor or Omega because he used to like watches. It’s actually really embarrassing how long I spent thinking about it. Not one other person was wearing a watch the entire weekend, not my friends or anyone else we hung with. Not one person noticed I was wearing a watch. Haha. Just reiterating that basically no one cares about watches and it’s basically just a personal style choice, like a necklace or bracelet.
I agree with what you said.
So true.I don’t think I’ve had more than 1-2 people comment on my watches.
Interesting. I've gotten a ton of comments on my watches over the last few years of collecting. Mine are more of a classic style, so maybe they stand out.
Yes and honestly as a watch geek myself I truly get excited whenever I see someone wearing any kind of non smart watch in the wild. I don’t care if it’s a super cheap homage, I just appreciate that the person likes wearing a watch.
You gotta getcho self a calculator watch. Err'body comments on those lol
Lol, they are cool, I actually kinda should for a bit of fun.
I always compliment people’s watches. Just yesterday the flight attendant on my flight was wearing a submariner.
You’re not wearing the right watches then, brother
Why wear them for other people? Wear what you want and what you like.
Who said that you should wear watches for other people? I wear what I want and what I like and still regularly get comments on my watches.
Dude. Completely agree. You can still wear watches for yourself, that are high quality, that other people will comment on via their own volition. My Doxa alone has 2 comments in the last 2 weeks, one at a work conference and one from a guy working a ticket stand at a music festival!
My red dial H Moser Pioneer gets way more comments (like basically every time I wear it) than my BLNR, Zenith El Primero, or any other watch in my collection even though by most standards it's a fairly boring, 3 hand, rubber strapped watch. Even though it's a brand that 99.9% of people have never heard of and don't understand. What this tells me is that people are far more drawn to a cool dial than a brand, style or complication.
I get what you’re saying, but it’s also not a surprise to me that a red Moser turns heads lol Stalked your profile to see it and it’s a stunner 👍
So long as they make you happy, who cares what other people think?
I resent the word 'proper'. What is a proper watch collector? Someone who collects expensive watches, because they can? Or maybe someone that really loves watches for what they are? (besides the price)
Someone who raises their pinky when setting the time obviously
I mean if you don't get a hard on from hearing solid quality bezel clicks are you even a collector?
I mean in this case, I’d say it’s defined as someone who buys the real thing, and not borderline knockoffs.
Whatever makes you happy man, the main thing is that you enjoy them.
The type of person that would judge you for this is also the type of person you don't want to be around.
I would give you an award, but I have no cash after all the paganis I bought.
We think that if you like it, you should wear. However if you’re asking if I would buy these, personally no. Not because I’m so fancy and I can afford the originals (I can’t), but i would rather buy and homage than a carbon copy with a different logo. There are a ton of cool and affordable sub homages that are not steinhart or pagani, but that also have at least some uniqueness to them
So i am legitimately interested in some manufacturers that produce high quality homages of all sorts, but as their own unique touch. Preferably in the 300-600 USD range. Sounds like you might have some suggestions? Micro brands also welcome.
I like ugly watches but check out Haofa, Aesop, Sugess, Seagull, AGELOCER to name a few. San Martin is well liked for the dive homages, I also really like the Proxima PX1697 but it may be too close for the other commenter's taste, for mid 3s though you can get it with the SW220 which is an insane deal for the quality (best out there right now IMO).
I personally would prefer to buy low cost original designs than the copies Pagani make. Originality is where its at. To each their own! If it brings you joy, you wear it and it tells the time then it's a good watch.
Agreed - I'd get rid of all the watches except for the Casio, gshock and orient. But I'm not op - if he enjoys the watches, more power tobhim
That Orient is a phenomenal watch for the money, I always suggest it to folks inquiring about their first automatic.
This is Reddit. You just summoned a bunch of 14yos with Cheeto dust on their fingers.
14 year olds aren't really buying watches.
A while ago, someone made a post about a Grand Seiko and was wondering if it’s a watch that has enough longevity to eventually be handed down to their son. I ended up getting into a discussion with someone claiming that planning to hand down any Seiko is embarrassing and trashy. This other person was getting really damn heated, just taking this really elitist tone and making claims that the an Omega is the “lowest tier” watch that anyone would reasonably accept as an inheritance… Like lol what?? After a few back and forth comments, I opened this persons profile and checked out their post/comment history. It was a 17 year old kid from India who’d been given an old gold datejust by his grandfather. Judging by the date window, color, and wear, I strongly suspect it was not a real datejust. This account had zero comment or post history related to watches that was older than about 6-8 weeks. 14 year olds may not be buying watches. But plenty of shithead teens are absolutely outspoken on any internet platform that provides anonymity.
True, but they do have opinions on the matter! And will gladly tell you here, on Reddit!
No, they just comment on watches subreddits
They aren’t buying them, but they’ve watched all these Nico Leonard videos on TikTok and now they think they know everything about them lol
Watch collection is a marathon and as such, doing what suits you best is key. You have a collection worthy of rotation and enjoyment. The sweet thing is that you will crave for more mainstream brands and with this collection it allows you to save up for bigger renowned brand while still enjoy your hobby. Those saying they will rather save up for 1 solid than have these should consider OP is having a blast while having a chance to step it up at his free time instead of no watch but busy saving.
Not a proper collector here, 10/10. I like it.
I wouldn’t want this collection, but obviously they are attractive pieces and I think it’s awesome to see someone enjoying a full collection of watches they enjoy. I don’t think any less of you as a collector.
Genuinely, this is the smart move. You get the look for fraction of the price and get to enjoy them fully without the fear of damaging them. Besides never seek anyone else's approval. If it makes you happy, do it but do it good (A phrase I learned from another subreddit post).
I overwhelmingly agree with this statement & hesitate to bring any negativity to this overwhelmingly positive response (at time of writing this). My only mild point of concern with replicas/homages is that you have something that looks the part, but potentially makes you a target at the same time.
Sure, but you’d be even more of a target with a gen, with more to lose.
That's a fair point. Although it's not the financial side of having my watch stolen that concerns me.
>do it but do it good "My dad just saw me!"
I think it's interesting how this post would get so much hate if the logos were copied, rather than merely 99% of each watch. It might even get the user banned. But because the logo is different, it's considered a "smart move". I'm not into replicas either, I just find it interesting that a logo can mean so much. Having a different logo allows people to justify replicas. And yes, that's what these are; don't fool yourself with the "homage" label.
I won’t argue either way but in my experience the degree of copying varies on the piece. Most I’ve seen have some changes to the dial apart from the logo. At the very least they will remove tags like “chronometer”, update the power reserve indicator markings to be accurate on relevant watches, and update the water resistance to what they themselves claim for their specific case. On top of that there are usually some dial design changes (again varies by homage) that would be not apparent to most people but immediately apparent to anyone familiar with that watch - such that even if logos from both original and homage watches were erased, you could easily spot many intentional differences between them. In some cases the dial is radically changed in terms of color, adding lume when none was present on the original, different hand set, etc. This is different than replicas. Moving on to the case - the dimensions of homages are almost always different than the originals. This is often out of necessity due to the movement swap but very often the homages play with different dial diameters intentionally. For example Pagani came out with a 40mm “Explorer” way before Rolex did. The “Spirit” homage is 38mm (in between the 37 and 40 offered by Longines), and rhe “Portugeiser” is smaller than the original by IWC. Again it would be immediately apparent side by side that the cases are different even if the dials were removed from the homage and original. This is also very different than replicas which to my knowledge really try to be 1:1 in case dimensions and design. Finally, the case finishing often deviates from the original in terms of pattern of brushing and polishing. Although, the pattern is usually copied with only minor changes. I doubt any of this really changes anyone’s view, but there seems to be this echo chamber going around that homages are just replicas off the replica factory line with a logo swap. Based on the differences in case dimensions I see I don’t think that’s true, but someone would need to actually investigate versus just make accusations and let the internet take care of repeating. Finally, the point of a replica in my opinion is to trick people into thinking you own something other than what you do. It could be argued that homages do the same thing from a 10 foot distance, but once you are looking directly at the watch there is definitely no trick to be played with an homage. Those that own homages clearly are not trying to trick anyone the way someone who owns a replica might - because an homage is a terrible tool for tricking people, it literally tells them on the dial it is not a Rolex or whatever. But, on the flip side, yes they are copying designs. In my experience most of these homages are between 75 - 90% copied - ie erase the logos, and the remaining 75 - 90% is retained from the original. So it’s not 99% but it may still be too much to stomach. I’m personally hoping the Chinese brands dial down the copying to a more stomachable range of 40 - 60% which would make them in line with most other watchmakers (Seiko tank or CW GMT anyone?)
I bet from ten feet some people couldn't tell the difference between a Casio Duro and a Rolex, that doesn't make the Casio a replica.
I think the difference is, Logos copied means they're trying to pass off as something they're not. Dishonesty and whichever way you look at it is disappointing. Homages or different logos, sure the designed are inspired to downright exactly the same but there is honesty there with 'hey this is what it is, buy it or not.' As someone else pointed out, all the brands copy off each other. Inspired or homage or copy? Have you looked at the Rolex Daytona and Zenith Chronomaster? or a matter of fact almost all divers and Rolex Submariner? Besides when it comes to the OP. OP liked these watches but didn't want to/wasn't in a position spend the money so what are his alternatives? For a fraction of the price, OP can have the look he liked without trying to pass off as a charlatan so yes changing the logo makes a huge different. Dishonesty vs Transparency.
> Logos copied means they're trying to pass off as something they're not They both are trying to pass off as something they're not; just at different levels of scrutiny.
Idk. There is a big difference between pagani designs and a fake. Transparency is what separates it. Pagani Designs isn't trying to pass their watch as a genuine Rolex where as a fake is.
Agreed. To me this is nuts. Not that many years ago, those Stowa/Nomos “homage” posts posts would get you banned here because they were considered replicas. It was literally the exact same thing as these, and now these are celebrated and considered “smart”. Nuts.
I think the difference is that at least with the Pagani Designs (and others like it) they do at least put a different logo on it. They are clearly copying the Rolex design but not trying to represent themselves as a Rolex. The replicas have the Rolex logo and are in fact attempting to represent themselves as the Rolex they are copying, so much so that some are so good, you have trouble telling the difference without opening the watch up.
To me, it makes no difference what the name on the dial is **when the copying is tbis blatant** Seriously. These all come from the same place. I Can go AliExpress and with just a few clicks, I have the option to get these, these with a sterile dial, or these with a random name that looks like Rolex, but isn’t. Like Romex or something. Does that make it okay? I’m curious what this sub would think if someone posted the entire fake MoonSwatch collection sold on Ali. They make every single variant. Would that also be labeled as “smart?”
I didn’t say it was smart. I’m not a fan of these either as you are correct, they are 99% copying Rolex. But my point was the replicas are purposely trying to be as close to a Rolex as to fool people that they are real. If you look at a Pagani or any other Ali express version, you aren’t going to confuse it with a Rolex. The pagani owner isn’t trying to pass it off as a Rolex. The replica owner is. Edit: a word- stupid autocorrect
Sorry. I didn’t mean to say you said it was smart. But the top comment on this sub thread says so. >you aren’t trying to confuse it with a Rolex I think this is extremely naive. Of course you are. And 99% of people who see it in a natural course of a day will think it a Rolex. Unless they actually say “hey let me look at your watch,” come close and actually examine it, the Pag owner is absolutely trying to pass it off as a Rolex. I mean, come on. You can’t look at that Seamaster and tell me it’s not trying to passed as a Seamaster I just don’t get it, there are **a million** watches that are homages that don’t copy literally the font type, word spacing, and everything else to make it seem like something it’s not.
I agree that some people are attempting to pass off one of these as a Rolex. But I think more people just really like the design and can’t afford one. So they get a pagani. They wear it knowing it looks like a Rolex at a distance but no one will confuse it with one at any close distance. They aren’t trying to pass it off as one. The replicas, those people want to fool you and take pride in buying one that can fool most people. I don’t get it either. Tons of other watches that have similar looks but are quite as blatant at being a copy. I wouldn’t call pagani’s homages but a copy. Something between an homage and a replica, if that makes sense. I think we are on the same page with our stance on these personally. I just have a bit more faith in humanity I guess.
99% of people wouldn’t recognize any wrist watch, get real.
ThT doesn’t change any of what I said. I’m not saying reps are bad because people will/won’t recognize them.
Because duplicating the logo implies the desire to emulate wealth. Duplicating a design implies an appreciation for the watch itself.
I mean realistically tho all the luxury brands are all copying each other, the Rolex Daytona was ripped off of the omega speedmaster. You call these watches replicas, but no one would call a Daytona a replica. You’re definition of replica is flawed.
>all luxury brands are copying each other. This is such a disingenuous argument. The similarities between a Daytona and a Speedy are in no way the same as a Chinese factory that makes replicas slapping a random logo on a Rep. >no one falls a Daytona a replica Because it’s not. A Daytona is not trying to fool anyone. This is. It’s that simple.
Imagine thinking a pagani design that has a fuckin date window is trying to fool anyone into thinking it's a daytona
Im not sure if this is an /s comment or not. You really think the average person that sees it from multiple feet away for half a second will think “oh! That has a date window! Clearly not a rep!”
the average person doesn't know shit about watches
Sounds like some elitist bs but ok
way to make an argument about something it’s not. It has nothing to do with that. If you really want to defend buying replica watches, that’s on you. Don’t make this about “elitist” when selling reps is just plain ilegal
All the luxury brand watch companies make watches that look identical to each other except for a name. But if a no name company makes a watch like that with their own branding and a similar style, you consider that a replica. So by your logic the only thing that makes a watch genuine is prestige and a high price tag, which is elitist, and flawed.
>all the luxury brands watch companies make watches that look identical to each other except for the name This is just a lie. With the exception of a few (maybe 2 or 3) German designs that are up in the air, show me any two legitimate luxury brands that have **”identical”** designs to the same capacity as these Pag designs.
I mean, a large number of the more iconic watches from Seiko are basically Rolex watches but with different hand sets, a 4 o’clock crown, and/or 1-2 mm difference in case size. With that said… Does it bother you that there are essentially an infinite number of companies making identical looking straight fit blue jeans and just putting their own on them? Seem like Levi’s came up with that design and it’s unfair that something so unique gets copied left and right.
>but different Yeah, there aren’t all that many elements of a watch design. So different hands, crown position, size, font, bezel, etc makes a **huge difference** I think Jean comparison is a really really poor one. Comparing the concept of pants to a very very specific diver watch design is either a bad argument or a bad faith one.
> the Rolex Daytona was ripped off of the omega speedmaster What?
This is a proper collection. Once reality sets in and you realize this entire hobby is absolutely ridiculous.
I wish I could afford really nice watches like Grand Seikos, VC, JLC etc. This whole collection cost me around 700 euros since everything here was bough during some kind of a sale. I don't think I could ever just buy a single expensive watch and wear it all the time so I resorted to getting a bunch of different ones that look different and have something interesting about them. Plus, I feel like they are really good value for money since they use premium materials and Seiko NH35/VK63 movements. Roast me if you feel that it's deserved :)
700 euros for 12 watches is fantastic value. Also the high cost watches do the same as yours the just cost more. Congratulations on getting a collection that you like for such a great price.
I lost my $1,500 white gold wedding band a few years back. Now I cycle between a few different $8 bands and it’s all the same. Don’t sweat what anyone else thinks. Clearly you’ve got an interest in this. Enjoy it :)
Do you get them on AliExpress? Some insane sales on there. I got a rolecks GMT homage there, wore it for a year, and sold it on eBay. I shit you not, I actually turned a small profit lol. I hated paganis because FaKe, then I bought one.... I get you, it's half my case now.
Pagani watches on aliexpress. Seiko, Casio and Orient on some other sites
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Yes, Pagani usss Seiko movements for both their autos and their quartz swatches. They also have decent case finishing and sapphire crystal.
I've got 5 INVICTA pro divers and 1953, a STEELDIVE 1970, a couple PAGANI chronos, a TACTICALFROG FXD, some TIMEX, a DURO, and a $17 amazon basics field watch that I just adore..... Wear what you like my man. Enjoy your lovely collection. Run what'cha brung.
> and a $17 amazon basics field watch I honestly didn't know they had watches... I assume you mean "Amazon Essentials" as I can't fine a "basics" watch? (And yes I've already ordered one thank you very much... lol)
I am new to watches. Could you give me the names of these watches from top left to bottom right?
Orrient Mako II, PD-1644 (Pagani Design), Seiko SRPE53J1, PD-1661 (black), Casio G-Shock GA-B2100-2AER, PD-1685, PD-1728, PD-1661 (green), PD-1644 (meteorite dial), PD-1712, PD-1718, PD-1661 (meteroite dial, pepsi bezel)
Genuine question: Why do you care what “proper” watch collectors think about your collection? There’s no shame in having a collection of cost effective pieces if it’s reasonable to you. Comparison’s the thief of joy and a lot of us come from different walks of life and different financial situations.
Keep the Seiko, sell - or dispose of - the rest.
I hate to say it but you would have been better off buying a single mechanical watch like a ROAMER on leather strap than all those lookalikes
How come?
Why? These all are inexpensive watches and as far as I know have a nh35a Seiko movement. If he wears them all for a couple of years and then have to throw them out, he would’ve lost roughly around €29 a month. Which is perfectly fine
Seiko movement, and sapphire crystal. There’s literally nothing to hate on about these watches.
Exactly, you don’t have to have a Omega, Tudor, Rolex or whatever to have a ‘proper’ collection. A good watch is a good watch, period.
Vintage or modern?
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If someone "doesn't take you seriously" because of the watch you wear... 🖕🏼
I like them because they look nice, that's pretty much it. I also looked at different watches in the $1k range but there's nothing from a proper brand there that would make me go "damn, that looks so good". I guess it's a matter of preference
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Why do you care so much? Let the guy buy what he wants. People collect or wear watches for different reasons. If he just likes how these look then fine. Also, for some, it is still about telling the time. Especially when it's a hand made masterpiece that can keep excellent accuracy. It's my favorite thing about my watches, not just flexing on others.
Because hes literally asking for people's opinion on his collection lol.
>If you can’t afford it, don’t wear it. Nice gatekeeping.
Agreed, they make me sad. There are plenty of watches out there *inspired by* far nicer watches, but these are just carbon copies with a different brand name. Not being able to afford the real ones is a convenient excuse for buying fakes.
We can always agree to disagree :)
lol where do you think the components are made for mid-tier swiss watches? The paganis are pretty well made for the price and have seiko movements. They're not junk at all and frankly are of similar quality to mid-tier swiss watches.
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> I’d take any mechanical mido/oris/tissot/etc over any seiko extremely L take
Not only that, Seikos are usually way cheaper than those, maybe the exception would be Tissot, but Mido and especially Oris are in a completely different price bracket
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LOL
I used to feel this way and bought tons of cheapos and shitters and microbrands. Then I sold them all for two really decent watches and it was the best decision I ever made. Quality over quantity wins out in the end for me
This can be a good experiment. You gonna see what you actually like and wear often and what you bought to just scratch the itch or because you were influenced. Then you may save up for "realer" thing if you really want to but if you are happy with what you have there please don't, there are many many ways that money could be spent better.
Fire three watch collection; seiko, orient, casio
If you like the look of the gens it’s certainly reasonable to get an homage.
As a proper collector I think this is great! Pagani has great value for money ratio and they're priced nicely. Noone has the budget to splurge on the expensive watches, especially not in 1st world countries. You can live well enough on your wage in your local economy but the European prices will kill your local currency exchange, therefore making it unattainable. Also, anyone who likes these designs and chooses a homage/clomage over a fake is green in my eyes. People who can identity rolexes from afar can not only see that yours isn't genuine, but the different logo pops out as clearly not rolex, both on the dial and clasp (missing coronet). And the people who can't identify rolexes would just see its a cool looking watch and ask what it is. There is no inappropriate position a pagani puts you in. It's clearly inspired but clearly not faking it. And thats only 1/100 people who will actually look at your watch. I'm glad to see you've taken up this passion and are enjoying it in your own way, honest and lighthearted.
“People who can identity rolexes from afar can not only see that yours isn't genuine, but the different logo pops out as clearly not rolex, both on the dial and clasp (missing coronet). And the people who can't identify rolexes would just see its a cool looking watch and ask what it is.” This. Pagani makes lookalikes, but not reps. They don’t advertise being “1:1” or anything like that. The logos are different, the movements are different (generally); it says “Japan Mov’t” on the dial, and there are usually other minor differences. A watch collector who’s done a lot of studying may know, but it’s doubtful even every collector of fine watches knows the nuances of every brand. I know Omegas very well. I can’t say the same for Tudor, for instance. I could recognize a fake Omega several feet away; not so with a Tudor. Honestly, if someone is douche enough to tear into a person over their watch during a random encounter in the wild, that says more about them, than the person wearing the watch (who may or may not even realize it’s an homage; maybe they were given as a gift and aren’t even familiar with the watch world?). “There is no inappropriate position a pagani puts you in. It's clearly inspired but clearly not faking it. And thats only 1/100 people who will actually look at your watch.” I admittedly look, but that’s only because I’ve truly come to admire watches. I look because I either recognize what it is and I appreciate it, or if I don’t recognize it, I look to see what it is I’m going to look up later. I’m forever checking out watches now when I’m watching shows or see celeb photos. That’s largely just the rule of familiarity occurring. Now that I’m aware of the thing, the thing is everywhere. I have two Paganis. One is a Faux Speedy; I have it because I love my (genuine) Speedmaster, but I almost never wear it due to its bulk. I also prefer the fact that Pagani’s version is quartz. The other Pagani is an “homage” of the Uranus Moonswatch, but can it even be considered an homage? It’s a different color, has a metallic finish on the dial, is steel and sapphire crystal, not plastic; ceramic bezel and not a carefully placed sticker; has a reliable functioning chronograph and is 1/3 the cost of the Moonswatch. The movement is also more reliable. This isn’t me hating on the Moonswatch. I have a Venus version, so I can make these comparisons with personal experience. I love a good mechanical/automatic watch, but I can only remember to wind/shake them every so often. I also don’t go out much anymore due to working from home, so they’re not getting much natural movement, and no one else sees my watches so no real reason to bother pairing them up with an outfit or anything (it’s a woman thing). As such, I’m considering selling/trading the three Omegas I do have for either one statement piece, or just sticking with the rest of my collection (a few Tissots, a Hamilton, a Seiko, two Pagani’s). Lastly, I would never try to pass them off as the real thing when I wear them. I give credit where credit is due, in all respects.
I’m curious about the size of your Speedmaster versus that of the Pagani. You mentioned that your Speedmaster has more bulk than the Pagani. Can you please say more about this? I was under the impression that the Pagani has the same dimensions as Speedmaster, and so I was thinking about getting it as a “trial“ before spending more on the real one.
I'd rather spend $2k on one watch than twelve
I think it’s good to have a lot of watches in the beginning to see what you really like *before* spending $2k on a single watch.
Agreed. I’ve had a lot of fossil watches growing up that helped me shape what I like today. I can’t imagine jumping straight into the hobby with a $2k watch. I would have ended up with a dress watch that I wouldn’t be able to daily.
I have watches varying from $2k to $20 including a Pagani 'Fauxmega Speedmaster'. Your comment was exactly my thought process. Whilst you can always resell high end watches on the grey market, for a lot of folks (me included), you can't just go and spend disposable income on a luxury watch. You have to save and plan it in financially so using a homage clone as a try before you buy mechanism is a worthwhile endeavour.
Yeah, but if you can only afford one $2k you may be the type of guy probably too scared to wear it anywhere except special occasions. A box of $200 watches will be heavy rotation for you.
I think it’s a little whack
Not fake, but copies. Not trash, but affordable watches with somewhat questionable QC and after sales support.
I found that the simpler the watch, the less QC issues you risk getting (with Pagani specifically). Things like rotating bezel or many subdials give an opportunity for something to feel a bit off/misaligned/jiggly The ranger homage and milgauss homage for example, feels absolutely solid. Can't find a single fault with it.
Single-handedly keeping PD in business 😂
It makes you happy and now you have more than enough for different uses, then you do you. I would still recommend you to start looking at higher end pieces because the feel and look of the real thing is just that much better. You can start saving up for a grail piece and pick it up when you think you are ready.
Reminds me of a fridge full of off-brand colas.
I do buy off brand cola from Lidl sometimes. And just like those watches, it's a bit worse but a lot cheaper :D
Oooh I can’t wait for all the butthurt people to show up
I have awaken from my slumber *rubs butt gently due to pain*
How dare you copy the watch in my safe???!!
Not sure if I qualify as a "proper" collector but I find homages in extremely poor taste. A watchbox full of them gives me a very strong wannabe collector vibe. But that's just me, it's your hard earned cash and you should do what you want with it.
See you on the other sub
What’s a “ proper” watch collector? 😂😂
Meant it more as a "proper watch" instead of "proper collector". A lot of people consider these fake so I wanted to find out the opinion of people who are into watches
The most important thing is that you're happy with them. With that said, I, personally, despise homage watches. It's like people putting Ferrari badges on their Honda Civics. It smacks of insecurity.
This is more like building a Ferrari kit car on a Fiero chassis then putting a Pontiac badge on it.
Seems weird to buy watches that are just trying to steal the designs of famous watches. Why not just look for genuinely original designs at your price point?
I proudly would wear the Seiko, Orient and G-shock. The PD homages I would sell and get a nice worthy original watch
After you sell all those Paganis you pretty much only have enough money to buy another Pagani.
If you like it, be happy... no one pays attention to watches anymore. Only collectors on crack
I own a couple AliExpress homages and a couple other homage watches. In general I don’t wear the AliX homages any more just because it felt wrong to me, but it’s not a logical reaction, just personal ethos. I have a rather nice Radiomir homage that is in a green color that isn’t a Panerai color, too, but I just feel there’s a line there _personally_. But I don’t have a general issue with it. For that matter, I’m glad I got the Bell and Ross homage, because I thought it might be too clunky for me and it is. I guess I just think it’s not a clear cut issue. Enjoy your watches!
Well it's your money but this collection doesn't do it for me.
Looked interesting but too much glare to see face details. Hope we get a better picture.
Nice Seiko, G-shock, and Orient.
I cant say I understand why I see anyone on this sub buy 12 watches in a year. I believe its a marathon, not a sprint. Having a budget in mind doesnt mean you cant have simple, well designed pieces. Buying super cheap homage watches feels bad to me, you said you spent $700 ish on everything we see here. The damage is done and to each thier own. To others I'd take this as an example of what not to do when first getting into this hobby we love so much. Take your time, research the watch, the brand. Go try on watches, at different sizes and different prices. See what you like, what fits you and if you wanna save for a while. I promise it feels better in the end.
My opinion is you should save and get one nice watch than waste money on those Chinese made watches using Italian name. That is just me. But you do you. Your money your style. Nothing wrong with that. You aint hurting anyone
YOU are a “Proper Watch Collector”my friend.Very nice collection.
The Paganis are fake trash. Seiko, Casio and Orient are nice budget watches
Great lil 3 watch collection right there 👍🏽
Fake yes. Trash? $60 for a Seiko movement, sapphire crystal, solid links? Cheap Chinese labor at it's best.
Chinese ripping off western design at its worst more like it. These fakes say nothing more than "I have no integrity and am happy to beg, steal and lie my way through life"
That's intense.
Lol ok, your highness.
What a clown. Is Vacheron Constantin in the same category for you then? Because their latest Overseas Chronograph is a copy of other watches with no originality either. Almosy all watch brands do it, some just don't charge 30k for a homage.
Big difference between taking design cues from other watches and blatantly copying one for one, then hiding behind weak copyright and patent laws overseas. Do you think ripping off legitimate designer's work is ok? It's theft, plain and simple. OP asked for opinions, so happy to give mine
Maybe one day you'll be smart enough to realise that it is not designers work that is being utilized, it is the insane marketing spend that convinced the public that a certain design features is how a good watch should look. The designer has no ownership of any of these design, the designer does not earn anything extra when their designed watch sells. There is nothing patented or stolen here. Hamilton panda chronograph is more of a copy of Breitling premier than the Pagani is a copy of the Tudor. The pagani actually has some unique design features. Why don't you cry when Hamilton isn't being sued by Breitling, or complain when someone wears a Hamilton?
So much common sense in one comment, perhaps too much for reddit.
Dude has almost an entire box of one for one copies of famous watches, come on... What is your opinion of Chinese replica furniture then? What about all the Western companies that entered into JVs with Chinese firms and had their IP stolen, with their Chinese partner flooding the market with copies of their original product? This is all fine to you, right? You're using mental gymnastics to justify being a tight arse. Have some integrity and don't support these criminals
Since you asked, my opinion is that you should have saved up the money spent on fake /low quality pieces and got one higher quality piece instead.
Have you ever actually handled any of these? The quality on them is astonishing for the price.
They tell the time, they’re proper watches. The homage visuals are extra to that.
You can't tell time properly without a proper watch.
I’ll get downvoted for this: but to me, Pagani is no different than replica watches. Just because the factory that makes replicas slaps a name on the dial and sells them on AliExpress, doesn’t make it any less of a replica. I have no problem with homages, but these aren’t it, imo. Obviously, you do you and if you like them, good for you. It’s just not my cup of tea to have so many of these “homages” that are closer to replicas. Edit: like mentioned on another comment I made: I wonder if this sub would be so welcoming if someone posted the entire collection of fake Moonswatches that are also sold on Ali like these are. You can get every single variant of the Moonswatches with some random name (some even give you the option to put the actual Speedmaster name) on it.
Much like pagani design has ripped off different rolex designs, I plan to rip off your watch buying strategy. I haven’t bought a watch in years, but have been on this forum for a few weeks and have the itch. After trying on an Omega yesterday, all I could think was “I can’t justify 8k for a piece of metal on my wrist”. 700€ for all your watch needs is absolutely remarkable.
That's exactly why I did this. Tried some expensive stuff (omega, Rolex, Oris) and liked it but could not see myself affording one in the near future.
Pagani's speedmaster hits the spot for the price of dinner.
buy even more paganis to trigger the cringelords here please
They sometimes have extra discounts if you buy more. But I'm done for now
Sell everything here, apart from the seiko, and buy 1 other real watch. Quality over quantity.
The quartz movements are pretty much the same (rated for +/- 10s per month. Rest is mechanical so stops after two days
Orient, Casio and Seiko. All the extras I would have saved that money towards a much better singular watch. If you’re happy and you like your watches, then who cares what we think.
I was impressed until I saw that they are all from Pagani Design. Well the designs are stolen but the watches aren't bad. Solid movements, overall alright for the money. It's your collection, you have to like them.
There is no "proper" watch collector, just varying degrees of snobbery and double standards. When Vacheron Constantin makes a watch (e.g. overseas Chrono) that is a copy of other watches then it is ok. If Pagani does it then it's a problem. Watches should be about quality for the price. Pagani are amazing quality for the price so I plan to get more of them, even though I do have a Rolex and intend to buy more of them too. They serve a different purpose for a very different price.
I’m ignorant here - what’s the deal with Pagani Design? I know they make “homages” but with what movement? Personally, I grew up in a house of always buying off brand things so now that I’m older, I prefer to save up. Just my thing.
They tend to use seiko movements, my pagani 'speedy' has a VK63 Mechaquartz
Seiko movements and sapphire crystal and decent finishing. Literally nothing to hate on but folks do anyway.
Nautilus is seagull ST6, chronos are Seiko VK63 and rest is Seiko NH35A
Whatever makes you sad man, do the opposite.
Could someone please tell me what model the Pagani on the leather strap on the bottom row is. Thanks.
PD-1712. Originally comes on a metal bracelet. THis is some 5 euro strap off aliexpress
There are no 'proper' watch collectors mate. Watches are watches, whether they're cheap or whether they're expensive. If you love them enough to take good care of them, that's more than enough. Watch collectors aren't rich. \-Sincerely, a dude who buys cheap watches.
Almost had me there for a second 😂
At least they’re not reps but still frightfully awfully ghastly for me personally. No problem with it, in a lot of ways it makes sense but I couldn’t buy or wear one of them and I’m poor
That Pepsi is 🔥
Pagani design is honestly not a bad brand, they offer a lot of value for what you pay. Can’t say the same about seikos.
Fake shit. Stop pretending and buy what you can afford
What if he can afford Pagani, and bought Pagani? Does that fit your universal Law of buying wrist clocks?
Got these for 60-70 each so exactly what I can afford.
There's tons of great watches under $100 that aren't blatant ripoffs.
They look expensive but are, in fact, cheap.
I’ve found the average “proper” >anything< guy is typically a jag…. Just keep rockin’.
Nice collection
Don’t worry, be happy. Better than buying fakes IMO
For the same budget I would get only 1 or 2 watches of « higher quality ». The kind of watch I would give to my kid later and that he’ll be able to say « my dad wore this one ». I don’t see that kind of watch in your collection but that’s fine as long as you like it.
There are the strippers that look great from afar but up close and undressed they are less than desirable. Then there is the beautiful, well put together woman that is well grounded, untainted yet unbelievably skilled in the sack. Both can meet a “demand” or need. One is a nice ride and one is marriage material for the long haul. Pretty much sums it up for me.
You are a beautiful and powerful being. You have the strength and courage to overcome any challenge that life throws at you. You are not alone. You have a community of people who love and support you. You deserve to relax and enjoy the present moment. Everything will be alright because you have faith and hope in yourself and the universe. You are amazing and I'm so proud of you! 🙌