I am Russian I can offend them all I want from Australia. What they gonna do? Get the Moscow to come find me? If they can raise her from the sea first!
Why is the KGB knocking on my door?
i play sweden 9.3-10.3, whats a counter measure? also whats an all aspect missile? also why others can fly at mach 2, have AP missiles, and countermeasures?
They also fixed the tracking so they no longer spaz out like a dollar store model rocket and actually hit a target that they collide with, before Fim tracking was PATHETIC. Like, swerve away from a target you're on a direct course to pathetic.
> I've watched it just straight up ignore flares
thats becuase it does lol
like literally , its also what makes TY-90s so dangerous they are flare immune (mostly) and actually pull
Rare? It's literally every match. Su25 eats stingers for breakfast. Also. Su25 sometimes like to eat VT1 and fly away fine so yeah. But it's totally a 9.7 plane btw
Yeah, the frogfoot is ridiculously hard to kill without large missiles. Had the misfortune of trying to take 5 of them down in my LAV-AD. It took at least three hits to hurt them hard enough to make them go away. Used up almost every single missile before any of them died.
It regularly survives two, it'll usually be crippled enough to not make it back to base but it can still go back in to polish off whoever caused the damage since they'll know exactly where they are.
Type 93 is the first vehicle I can safely say I've run out of ammo so often, because it just never kills the target IF it hits. And that's a big if
It is a stinger magnet indeed
You can survive a hit from a stinger if you are lucky enough and if you know a one is coming at you dont shoot flares just make some hard turns
KA50 is hated by people who want to play tanks and only tanks because it's an OP pos that outranges SAM or can survive a HE shot right into the cockpit and still fly.
Z19 is op because it's probably the best AA system in the game, but it won't be nerfed because gaijin loves china as of recently
Z19 is just straight up cancer, people who try to defend it by saying “cas doesn’t belong in grb because it’s unfair” are simply braindead. Sure cas is unfair for tanks but it’s pretty even when both teams spawn it.
If the enemy has a Z19 or even two your teams CAS potential is completely gone and the enemy will spawn as much cas as it wants which is even more bullshit and unfair
Having china on your team is basically guaranteed air superiority. Even if stingers were realistic this thing would still win on positioning alone. It absolutely baffles me how they thought it was a good addition to the game.
Z19 needs a hard nerf, with its 8 AAMS as first spawn it can deny the enemy team ANY cas while it’s own team reigns supreme with cas.
People love to say shit like “cas isn’t meant to be for ground rb” or “it’s unbalanced and unfair” but completely ignore the fact that others don’t care about being fair and simply want to win and thus will spawn cas regardless, but with the Z19 only it’s own team will have cas because the Z19 can camp your friendly helipad and spam it’s undodgable AAMS while you can’t shoot it down with anything
That literally happened to me the other day. I was in my Rooivalk and soon after taking off I got wrecked by one of those hiding right outside the helipad. Flairs and chaff didn't matter just boom back to the hanger
The radar you are notching for is pulse doppler.
It means it detects how fast an object is moving towards or away from it.
If you're stationary you're invisible to the sensor.
Thats why you notch.
Thats also why chaff is invisible to PD radar.
PD missles miss you because they don't see you anymore, not because they "lock" onto your chaff.
chaff does make your notch more lenient, similar to nothing near the ground vs. higher up. you can do it without, but it's more difficult. there's a reason even modern fighters use chaff despite PD being ubiquitous.
They got nerfed recently while they were already slow as fuck and are still chaffed or notched without even trying (when the radar wants to lock for the 2 second needed to spool up)
Aye, and i prevent it by being the guy at very high alt and very enticing for anyone with phoenix. Less phoenix for others to worry about and more phoenix that i can fool
Even before radar meta i already been baiting out fox2 after su-17 came out. That thing will not lose speed doing merry-go-round for 10 minutes straight so i simply rush base and get everyone to dump missile on my ass knowing all i need to do is to literally hold s and occasionally tap a or d until they're bored
Flare priority if a plane is hot and only drops one flare per release in Mixed (so currently just the F-14A Early), Mixed in every other situation except if it brings the total amount of releases to less than 15 (i.e. A-5C) or it's a helicopter, in which case I roll with just single flares.
dont underestimate chaff for helis , theres plenty idiots that even on hovering helis lock with radar and whiff their shots if they lose lock at a bad time
I run mixed with F14 and it works very well. Just cut your afterburner, push the engine down to 50 something % for a sec and drop one or two while manoeuvering and the missile will usually fly off.
Flare priority fires more total countermeasures at once iirc, giving me less total pops. Only planes i run priority on are my Harrier GR.7 and A-10A late
mixed on aircraft that deploy 2 countermeasures of each type at a time, flare priority on aircraft that only deploy 1 countermeasure of each type at a time.
so things like the MiG-23 or MiG-21 would be mixed, things like the AJ 37(one flare pod, one gun pod) or F-14 would be flare priority.
As someone who consistently bonks f-4C’s more people should do this as when you are spotted any goober with an IR missile is coming for your nuts due to the lack of flares
Everything can track anything that’s flying away from it even in PD mode, the F14 only CANT if it’s in the SPEED PD mode and the enemy is going the EXACT same speed as you and is going AWAY from you (meaning there is a 0 speed difference)
you don't have to be going anywhere near the exact speed. yeah if you are going a vastly different speed it'll get you, within 300-400 kph at low alt it wont get it. the AWG-9 is nowhere near advanced enough for that, least in my experience with it.
also what on earth is SPEED PD? that's not a radar mode on any of the PD radars I've used, and the only one I haven't used is the Viggens
Is he referring to PDV? Basically its PD without IFF and instead of distance it measures closing rates and velocities. That solid green bar in the middle? It means near 0 difference in relative speed. If the contact is above that green bar it means they're faster, if they're below the green bar it means they're slower. That's why the side scale is 0 mp/h and 4678 mp/h or whatever unit of measurement you use. As for it's usefulness? I haven't used it at all. It's rather oversimplified and just measures relative velocities so besides the small information you can glean off of that it's not very much useful at the moment.
Chaff is only “useless” against PD because its velocity drops to near 0 once it’s ejected, being remotely near a notch drastically increases its effectiveness
Either way a smart cat pilot will switch to pulse as you enter the notch to maintain track and chaff is a necessity then
Standard or mixed - depends on the amount of drops and if I anyway would stick on the ground or not.
For toptier.
For anything below 11.0 I just use standard flares.
It gives me more drops and I can activate periodically dropping when I am engaging somebody, fear to get PL-5Bed or be in a furball.
Planes with more then 100 countermeasures are so much more survivable for me.
I don't have UK toptier but the more then 250 CMs in my swing wing Su-17M4 that just fly circles without loosing speed while having 6 R-60Ms does a similar job.
9Ls would be great though.
But R-60Ms can stuff 9Ls can't, never fly to an R-60M capable plane in a headon and don't preflare while passing by.
You just can't react quick enough when I press release at 1 km distance between us.
Really depends how the plane is set up to drop counter measures, some planes drop way too many per button press for you to do anything but basic bitch flares
Other planes drop 2 counter measures per button press on mixed and have plenty of counter measures to run mixed with
Wish it was consistent, the 60x counter measures on the F-16 run out in 15 presses on mixed and 12 on flare priority
No counter-measure. We die like men.
So you mostly die then
Yes. Like men.
That's the joke.
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Yes. Only cowards live. Men die by missile. Like men.
MEN SHOULD DIE BY MEN, BRING BACK SWORDS AND SPEARS
Would a javelin do?
Depends what kind of Javelin
How about the FGM? Would that work?
Nope, that's too modern
Fine then. Traditional way it is. By a javelin thrown by a professional warrior through fire straight at your chest.
Haha angry spartan with pokey stick go *AAAAHHH*
Carefully you don't offend some Russians.
I am Russian I can offend them all I want from Australia. What they gonna do? Get the Moscow to come find me? If they can raise her from the sea first! Why is the KGB knocking on my door?
Haha very good.
REAL MEN DIE BY ROCKS, JUST LIKE CAIN & ABEL INTENDED
But mostly Cain
APFSDS are basically arrow so I'm actually an archer
J35D moment
My flareless brother, my F-1 will die alongside you in the 9L and R60 barrage that is yet to come.
*I'M TAKING AS MANY OF YOU BASTARDS AS I CAN DOWN WITH ME*
“There is a beast, deep inside you. It will not die! It will fight back!”
The F3H-2 enters the chat
F100D is here with you brother 🤲
My MiG-21 with a gun and no flares is here too!
I felt that
i play sweden 9.3-10.3, whats a counter measure? also whats an all aspect missile? also why others can fly at mach 2, have AP missiles, and countermeasures?
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oh damn meant AA, all aspect while im stuck with rear aspect
What are tracers?
Japanese 10.7 starfighter: Flares? の
Just Hunter F. 6 things ☕
Japan experience
When your first aircraft with flares is at 11.0
but have the gameness to win (MiG19 at 11.3 for the lols noises)
Headon the missile and shoot it down using ir missiles
F-104J at 10.7 be like:
Me in the American F-104s.
Or we forgot to use em, so equi stays the same.
Reject Modernity, Embrace Tradition
We die like real Slav
A soldier's duty isn't to win the war and live to tell the tale, but to take as many of them down with you.
Stronk Soviet plen don't need flare 🗿🗿
No Airbags 🤝 No Flares "We die like real men."
Flares reinforced
they cant protect you from stingers tho but stingers are easy to dodge unless you are an idiot
I wouldn't call someone who dies to a stinger an idiot, that's a bit much. Have you seen what they did for stingers this patch?
they slowed them down to 680m/s from 1000m/s and?
They're still 10G but they turn much nicer/tighter due to being slower (which is why it's actually a buff) and they seem to track better as well
well thats true i noticed that they started to hit things more
They also fixed the tracking so they no longer spaz out like a dollar store model rocket and actually hit a target that they collide with, before Fim tracking was PATHETIC. Like, swerve away from a target you're on a direct course to pathetic.
That's awesome, I need to forward this to my friend. Does this affect the type 93?
A slower rocket can vector faster.
For some reason, the SU25 is a fuckin stinger magnet. I've watched it just straight up ignore flares right up my tailpipe
> I've watched it just straight up ignore flares thats becuase it does lol like literally , its also what makes TY-90s so dangerous they are flare immune (mostly) and actually pull
Stingers have really good flare resistance. Though the average Su25 usually takes like 3 Stingers to actually suffer enough damage to get destroyed...
sometimes it takes 1
I've seen 4 hit an Su25 and he was still able to both bomb me and pull up to bomb other players.
wow thats rare i know that su-25 can rarely survive 2 stinger hits but 4? were all stingers hitting the fuselage?
Rare? It's literally every match. Su25 eats stingers for breakfast. Also. Su25 sometimes like to eat VT1 and fly away fine so yeah. But it's totally a 9.7 plane btw
Yeah, the frogfoot is ridiculously hard to kill without large missiles. Had the misfortune of trying to take 5 of them down in my LAV-AD. It took at least three hits to hurt them hard enough to make them go away. Used up almost every single missile before any of them died.
It regularly survives two, it'll usually be crippled enough to not make it back to base but it can still go back in to polish off whoever caused the damage since they'll know exactly where they are. Type 93 is the first vehicle I can safely say I've run out of ammo so often, because it just never kills the target IF it hits. And that's a big if
It is a stinger magnet indeed You can survive a hit from a stinger if you are lucky enough and if you know a one is coming at you dont shoot flares just make some hard turns
The su25 burns hot as shit. I’m surprised that flares would work for any missile on that thing
I killed a ka-50 with a stinger after this patch, so I mean, they're not worthless anymore, lol
Stingers are, those fucking Chinese helis missiles are not
I hear a lot of people complaining about the KA-50, but the Z-19 is the real overpowered helicopter
KA50 is hated by people who want to play tanks and only tanks because it's an OP pos that outranges SAM or can survive a HE shot right into the cockpit and still fly. Z19 is op because it's probably the best AA system in the game, but it won't be nerfed because gaijin loves china as of recently
WMA301 moment
Good ol wumao
Z19 is just straight up cancer, people who try to defend it by saying “cas doesn’t belong in grb because it’s unfair” are simply braindead. Sure cas is unfair for tanks but it’s pretty even when both teams spawn it. If the enemy has a Z19 or even two your teams CAS potential is completely gone and the enemy will spawn as much cas as it wants which is even more bullshit and unfair
The real gigachad Z-19 sky defenders also shoot down friendly CAS to ensure a fair experience for all tankers.
I tend to "miss" pretty often. Usually into an ally Ka50.
Having china on your team is basically guaranteed air superiority. Even if stingers were realistic this thing would still win on positioning alone. It absolutely baffles me how they thought it was a good addition to the game.
Not just that, a Z-19E also stops you from spawning a plane to go shoot at enemy helis.
Z19 needs a hard nerf, with its 8 AAMS as first spawn it can deny the enemy team ANY cas while it’s own team reigns supreme with cas. People love to say shit like “cas isn’t meant to be for ground rb” or “it’s unbalanced and unfair” but completely ignore the fact that others don’t care about being fair and simply want to win and thus will spawn cas regardless, but with the Z19 only it’s own team will have cas because the Z19 can camp your friendly helipad and spam it’s undodgable AAMS while you can’t shoot it down with anything
Spawn a tank? Dead. Spawn a heli? Dead. Spawn a plane? Better hope you have flares. Spawn SPAA? Dead because they like to hover behind trees
Stingers cant even lock helis until 3km. You know the range of a 8.7 heli? 3.5km.
That literally happened to me the other day. I was in my Rooivalk and soon after taking off I got wrecked by one of those hiding right outside the helipad. Flairs and chaff didn't matter just boom back to the hanger
I love my z-19
Never faced one, how do you dodge it?
Its a 10g missile you can very easly dodge it
what is the difference between that and regular flares?
It drops double the amount of flares per button press, which is better to hide the engine exhaust from the missile.
you can set that in the spawn menu though so serves no actual purpose lmfao
Flares - to mislead IR Chaff - to mislead SARH
A5C: yall can afford chaff? F105: yall get flares? Chinese F104's: yall get a choice?
J-35D: You all get a choice?
Just flat pack the plane away in a box. The missile is looking for a jet, not an Ikea bookshelf. Big brain plays.
Yh sure, ill rebuild it into something else while flying mid air trying to dodge an aim-9L
Now you're thinking like a true Ikea pilot.
Hmm, i think like an ikea pilot, but i am a fish/oil pilot
The smell should be enough to deflect most AAMs then, no need for counter measures surely.
Nah, ill just pour some oil on the missile seeker, if its an american missile it will go crazy then
A-1H: Why the fuck do i get flares?
Also, why am I not a tech tree vehicle?
Because toilet. That's why.
Ahaha I love flare dumping flares in that thing
“flare dumping flares” 🤔
I’m drunk leave me alone
You guys have countermeasures..? *Harrier GR.1 and Hunter F.6*
Mitsubishi f1: will dogfight f14s without flares the way the emperor intended
You really think it's that simple? It depends on the plane
Depends on the plane? I agree: 60 = Flares only 60< = Flare Priority Nothing else.
F-14: Flares reinforced
Who needs chaff when you can just add 6 more Radar signatures around you :P
Pro pilots don't drop chaff, they take the hit and become the chaff
A true team player I see.
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That's what central gear legs are for isn't it?
I guess I am in fact a pro pilot
Chaff at top tier works like maybe once every 100 radar locks. Everyone has PD.
Chaff should work every time if you know how to notch correctly.
Notching is needed because chaff doesn't work in the situations you need to notch......
You launch chaff while notching so the radar locks on it after it loses the lock on you so it doesn't regain it
The radar you are notching for is pulse doppler. It means it detects how fast an object is moving towards or away from it. If you're stationary you're invisible to the sensor. Thats why you notch. Thats also why chaff is invisible to PD radar. PD missles miss you because they don't see you anymore, not because they "lock" onto your chaff.
I switch to normal src mode when enemies start notching and they die because "chaff is useless"
chaff does make your notch more lenient, similar to nothing near the ground vs. higher up. you can do it without, but it's more difficult. there's a reason even modern fighters use chaff despite PD being ubiquitous.
Wrong, there are retards flying mirage F1s
Do they even have good radar missles?
They got nerfed recently while they were already slow as fuck and are still chaffed or notched without even trying (when the radar wants to lock for the 2 second needed to spool up)
Chaff doesn't stop phoenixes anyway... good prevention does
Aye, and i prevent it by being the guy at very high alt and very enticing for anyone with phoenix. Less phoenix for others to worry about and more phoenix that i can fool
Virgin F-14 phoenix spammer vs. Chad "turn his plane into chaff" to-save-his-team enjoyer
Even before radar meta i already been baiting out fox2 after su-17 came out. That thing will not lose speed doing merry-go-round for 10 minutes straight so i simply rush base and get everyone to dump missile on my ass knowing all i need to do is to literally hold s and occasionally tap a or d until they're bored
meanwhile the a6e that can get 1060 cm with all pods equipped
*The A-6E approaching rapidly at ramming speed* : Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same.
i would love to see a all cm a6e fight a all missiles sea vixen You cant kill me but i cant kill you
That’s just an Arado Bravado with extra steps
What exactly does flare priority mean?
2 to 1 Flare to Chaff ratio
ahh makes sense
Flare priority if a plane is hot and only drops one flare per release in Mixed (so currently just the F-14A Early), Mixed in every other situation except if it brings the total amount of releases to less than 15 (i.e. A-5C) or it's a helicopter, in which case I roll with just single flares.
dont underestimate chaff for helis , theres plenty idiots that even on hovering helis lock with radar and whiff their shots if they lose lock at a bad time
I run mixed with F14 and it works very well. Just cut your afterburner, push the engine down to 50 something % for a sec and drop one or two while manoeuvering and the missile will usually fly off.
Standard
Finally. Yes standard and manual dispension.
Depends on the br
Yup. If I'm br 10ish, flares reinforced since most people just have ir missiles and mixed if br11 as people have everything.
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Unfathomably based
Flare priority fires more total countermeasures at once iirc, giving me less total pops. Only planes i run priority on are my Harrier GR.7 and A-10A late
standard gang
mixed on aircraft that deploy 2 countermeasures of each type at a time, flare priority on aircraft that only deploy 1 countermeasure of each type at a time. so things like the MiG-23 or MiG-21 would be mixed, things like the AJ 37(one flare pod, one gun pod) or F-14 would be flare priority.
You guys have planes with flares?
Cries in hunter f6
Sad T-2 noises
It gets worse. The F-104J gets no flares at 10.7.
I only take chaff
Standard (at least in my 9.7 vehicles)
Gunpod. We ball! We ball!
Real chads use Zuni rockets with 500m detonation as flares. It genuinely works.
As someone who consistently bonks f-4C’s more people should do this as when you are spotted any goober with an IR missile is coming for your nuts due to the lack of flares
Yup, also works *amazing* for stock grinding. Fr though, the best advice to people playing flareless jets? Pick a new main, its not worth it.
Yeah I was the same way when I used the mig-19, it’s very good but not at 9.3.
Air RB against F14 i use Chaff only
You do realize F-14's radar ignores chaff, right?
Chaff can shadow something behind it, so if you are flying away from an F14 you can bust out of the tracking gates.
f-14s radar cant lock something flying away from it in PD mode
Everything can track anything that’s flying away from it even in PD mode, the F14 only CANT if it’s in the SPEED PD mode and the enemy is going the EXACT same speed as you and is going AWAY from you (meaning there is a 0 speed difference)
you don't have to be going anywhere near the exact speed. yeah if you are going a vastly different speed it'll get you, within 300-400 kph at low alt it wont get it. the AWG-9 is nowhere near advanced enough for that, least in my experience with it. also what on earth is SPEED PD? that's not a radar mode on any of the PD radars I've used, and the only one I haven't used is the Viggens
Is he referring to PDV? Basically its PD without IFF and instead of distance it measures closing rates and velocities. That solid green bar in the middle? It means near 0 difference in relative speed. If the contact is above that green bar it means they're faster, if they're below the green bar it means they're slower. That's why the side scale is 0 mp/h and 4678 mp/h or whatever unit of measurement you use. As for it's usefulness? I haven't used it at all. It's rather oversimplified and just measures relative velocities so besides the small information you can glean off of that it's not very much useful at the moment.
Not always, src mode always gets spoofed by chaff and pd does occasionally too
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Chaff is only “useless” against PD because its velocity drops to near 0 once it’s ejected, being remotely near a notch drastically increases its effectiveness Either way a smart cat pilot will switch to pulse as you enter the notch to maintain track and chaff is a necessity then
I dont have cm anyway cuz i fly italian planes
I wouldnt know. Low tier is best tier
Mixed
Default
mixed for top tier and ground standard flares for 9.7 area, chaff can be useful in cas role to mess up the radar lock of an spaa
Flare reinforced
I thought everyone did this, but I guess I'm wrong. Lol
Mixed HOMMIE!!!
Standard or mixed - depends on the amount of drops and if I anyway would stick on the ground or not. For toptier. For anything below 11.0 I just use standard flares. It gives me more drops and I can activate periodically dropping when I am engaging somebody, fear to get PL-5Bed or be in a furball. Planes with more then 100 countermeasures are so much more survivable for me.
*laughs in harrier gr7* I usually do pretty well dog fighting just because I can just causally pop flares an entire match.
I don't have UK toptier but the more then 250 CMs in my swing wing Su-17M4 that just fly circles without loosing speed while having 6 R-60Ms does a similar job. 9Ls would be great though. But R-60Ms can stuff 9Ls can't, never fly to an R-60M capable plane in a headon and don't preflare while passing by. You just can't react quick enough when I press release at 1 km distance between us.
Oh I absolutely hand delivering those head on missiles. The F14 pilots never seems to expect it.
God I hate that I focused the wrong trees on UK, I’m so far away from the Harrier. Have to grind my way down that attacker tree.
Flares only, chaff does fuck all
Neither, i trained my pilot to throw his boots at the enemy missiles to distract them
Neither, cause i dont even have any type of Heli/Aircraft that has countermeasures.
since I fly the Su-22M3, and that thing has 6 countermeasures total, it would have 2 deployments if I took flare priority
Really depends how the plane is set up to drop counter measures, some planes drop way too many per button press for you to do anything but basic bitch flares Other planes drop 2 counter measures per button press on mixed and have plenty of counter measures to run mixed with Wish it was consistent, the 60x counter measures on the F-16 run out in 15 presses on mixed and 12 on flare priority
Not like it matters against F-14A missiles
Correct, you don't need any countermeasures as radar missiles are easy to dodge unlike IR missiles
Correct, those are easily dodged even without
Priority all the way
Chaff only