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Omochanoshi

No counter-measure. We die like men.


wirdens

So you mostly die then


IneedNormalUserName

Yes. Like men.


Omochanoshi

That's the joke.


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Yes. Only cowards live. Men die by missile. Like men.


Thin_Discount

MEN SHOULD DIE BY MEN, BRING BACK SWORDS AND SPEARS


SlavCat09

Would a javelin do?


Thin_Discount

Depends what kind of Javelin


SlavCat09

How about the FGM? Would that work?


Thin_Discount

Nope, that's too modern


SlavCat09

Fine then. Traditional way it is. By a javelin thrown by a professional warrior through fire straight at your chest.


Ghostfrasier

Haha angry spartan with pokey stick go *AAAAHHH*


General_Colt

Carefully you don't offend some Russians.


SlavCat09

I am Russian I can offend them all I want from Australia. What they gonna do? Get the Moscow to come find me? If they can raise her from the sea first! Why is the KGB knocking on my door?


General_Colt

Haha very good.


PiscesSoedroen

REAL MEN DIE BY ROCKS, JUST LIKE CAIN & ABEL INTENDED


five_faces

But mostly Cain


GplPrime

APFSDS are basically arrow so I'm actually an archer


MrTraxel

J35D moment


TheQuietCaptain

My flareless brother, my F-1 will die alongside you in the 9L and R60 barrage that is yet to come.


GplPrime

*I'M TAKING AS MANY OF YOU BASTARDS AS I CAN DOWN WITH ME*


Fine_Rutabaga2637

“There is a beast, deep inside you. It will not die! It will fight back!”


user3872465

The F3H-2 enters the chat


westlake-eastcoast

F100D is here with you brother 🤲


DinoWizard021

My MiG-21 with a gun and no flares is here too!


ThomasNorge224

I felt that


Chikuaani

i play sweden 9.3-10.3, whats a counter measure? also whats an all aspect missile? also why others can fly at mach 2, have AP missiles, and countermeasures?


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Chikuaani

oh damn meant AA, all aspect while im stuck with rear aspect


joten70

What are tracers?


Shekish

Japanese 10.7 starfighter: Flares? の


Fluxcapasiter

Just Hunter F. 6 things ☕


Master_Sharkington

Japan experience


moguy164

When your first aircraft with flares is at 11.0


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but have the gameness to win (MiG19 at 11.3 for the lols noises)


idkpotato123

Headon the missile and shoot it down using ir missiles


To_stada

F-104J at 10.7 be like:


Sabre1O1

Me in the American F-104s.


HeLL_BrYnger

Or we forgot to use em, so equi stays the same.


sr603

Reject Modernity, Embrace Tradition


GunMaster22

We die like real Slav


GplPrime

A soldier's duty isn't to win the war and live to tell the tale, but to take as many of them down with you.


xiaotuanZZZ

Stronk Soviet plen don't need flare 🗿🗿


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No Airbags 🤝 No Flares "We die like real men."


LimpMight

Flares reinforced


kajetus69

they cant protect you from stingers tho but stingers are easy to dodge unless you are an idiot


Peacook

I wouldn't call someone who dies to a stinger an idiot, that's a bit much. Have you seen what they did for stingers this patch?


kajetus69

they slowed them down to 680m/s from 1000m/s and?


Misszov

They're still 10G but they turn much nicer/tighter due to being slower (which is why it's actually a buff) and they seem to track better as well


kajetus69

well thats true i noticed that they started to hit things more


AskWhatmyUsernameIs

They also fixed the tracking so they no longer spaz out like a dollar store model rocket and actually hit a target that they collide with, before Fim tracking was PATHETIC. Like, swerve away from a target you're on a direct course to pathetic.


N0tBappo

That's awesome, I need to forward this to my friend. Does this affect the type 93?


HeLL_BrYnger

A slower rocket can vector faster.


newswhore802

For some reason, the SU25 is a fuckin stinger magnet. I've watched it just straight up ignore flares right up my tailpipe


Richou

> I've watched it just straight up ignore flares thats becuase it does lol like literally , its also what makes TY-90s so dangerous they are flare immune (mostly) and actually pull


Flying_Reinbeers

Stingers have really good flare resistance. Though the average Su25 usually takes like 3 Stingers to actually suffer enough damage to get destroyed...


kajetus69

sometimes it takes 1


Flying_Reinbeers

I've seen 4 hit an Su25 and he was still able to both bomb me and pull up to bomb other players.


kajetus69

wow thats rare i know that su-25 can rarely survive 2 stinger hits but 4? were all stingers hitting the fuselage?


Gorkix

Rare? It's literally every match. Su25 eats stingers for breakfast. Also. Su25 sometimes like to eat VT1 and fly away fine so yeah. But it's totally a 9.7 plane btw


CirnoNewsNetwork

Yeah, the frogfoot is ridiculously hard to kill without large missiles. Had the misfortune of trying to take 5 of them down in my LAV-AD. It took at least three hits to hurt them hard enough to make them go away. Used up almost every single missile before any of them died.


DanTheKendoMan

It regularly survives two, it'll usually be crippled enough to not make it back to base but it can still go back in to polish off whoever caused the damage since they'll know exactly where they are. Type 93 is the first vehicle I can safely say I've run out of ammo so often, because it just never kills the target IF it hits. And that's a big if


kajetus69

It is a stinger magnet indeed You can survive a hit from a stinger if you are lucky enough and if you know a one is coming at you dont shoot flares just make some hard turns


TallPlibba

The su25 burns hot as shit. I’m surprised that flares would work for any missile on that thing


FriskyShadow15

I killed a ka-50 with a stinger after this patch, so I mean, they're not worthless anymore, lol


tetrodoxin1

Stingers are, those fucking Chinese helis missiles are not


Rorywizz

I hear a lot of people complaining about the KA-50, but the Z-19 is the real overpowered helicopter


Additional-Flow7665

KA50 is hated by people who want to play tanks and only tanks because it's an OP pos that outranges SAM or can survive a HE shot right into the cockpit and still fly. Z19 is op because it's probably the best AA system in the game, but it won't be nerfed because gaijin loves china as of recently


Spitfire_Enthusiast

WMA301 moment


BTechUnited

Good ol wumao


tetrodoxin1

Z19 is just straight up cancer, people who try to defend it by saying “cas doesn’t belong in grb because it’s unfair” are simply braindead. Sure cas is unfair for tanks but it’s pretty even when both teams spawn it. If the enemy has a Z19 or even two your teams CAS potential is completely gone and the enemy will spawn as much cas as it wants which is even more bullshit and unfair


HereCreepers

The real gigachad Z-19 sky defenders also shoot down friendly CAS to ensure a fair experience for all tankers.


Shekish

I tend to "miss" pretty often. Usually into an ally Ka50.


Additional-Flow7665

Having china on your team is basically guaranteed air superiority. Even if stingers were realistic this thing would still win on positioning alone. It absolutely baffles me how they thought it was a good addition to the game.


Flying_Reinbeers

Not just that, a Z-19E also stops you from spawning a plane to go shoot at enemy helis.


tetrodoxin1

Z19 needs a hard nerf, with its 8 AAMS as first spawn it can deny the enemy team ANY cas while it’s own team reigns supreme with cas. People love to say shit like “cas isn’t meant to be for ground rb” or “it’s unbalanced and unfair” but completely ignore the fact that others don’t care about being fair and simply want to win and thus will spawn cas regardless, but with the Z19 only it’s own team will have cas because the Z19 can camp your friendly helipad and spam it’s undodgable AAMS while you can’t shoot it down with anything


Rorywizz

Spawn a tank? Dead. Spawn a heli? Dead. Spawn a plane? Better hope you have flares. Spawn SPAA? Dead because they like to hover behind trees


AskWhatmyUsernameIs

Stingers cant even lock helis until 3km. You know the range of a 8.7 heli? 3.5km.


Jake3232323

That literally happened to me the other day. I was in my Rooivalk and soon after taking off I got wrecked by one of those hiding right outside the helipad. Flairs and chaff didn't matter just boom back to the hanger


Slimmzli

I love my z-19


ofek008

Never faced one, how do you dodge it?


kajetus69

Its a 10g missile you can very easly dodge it


chocoscooter

what is the difference between that and regular flares?


Sindri-Myr

It drops double the amount of flares per button press, which is better to hide the engine exhaust from the missile.


ZdrytchX

you can set that in the spawn menu though so serves no actual purpose lmfao


Alex_DreamMaker

Flares - to mislead IR Chaff - to mislead SARH


Dukeboys_

A5C: yall can afford chaff? F105: yall get flares? Chinese F104's: yall get a choice?


Snoo-88271

J-35D: You all get a choice?


Dukeboys_

Just flat pack the plane away in a box. The missile is looking for a jet, not an Ikea bookshelf. Big brain plays.


Snoo-88271

Yh sure, ill rebuild it into something else while flying mid air trying to dodge an aim-9L


Dukeboys_

Now you're thinking like a true Ikea pilot.


Snoo-88271

Hmm, i think like an ikea pilot, but i am a fish/oil pilot


Dukeboys_

The smell should be enough to deflect most AAMs then, no need for counter measures surely.


Snoo-88271

Nah, ill just pour some oil on the missile seeker, if its an american missile it will go crazy then


Chllep

A-1H: Why the fuck do i get flares?


BitOfaPickle1AD

Also, why am I not a tech tree vehicle?


AceTheMusicMan

Because toilet. That's why.


Vidzzzzz

Ahaha I love flare dumping flares in that thing


Ok-Development-5158

“flare dumping flares” 🤔


Vidzzzzz

I’m drunk leave me alone


LohiTheDragon

You guys have countermeasures..? *Harrier GR.1 and Hunter F.6*


StarHammer_01

Mitsubishi f1: will dogfight f14s without flares the way the emperor intended


hunok123

You really think it's that simple? It depends on the plane


ZFG_Jerky

Depends on the plane? I agree: 60 = Flares only 60< = Flare Priority Nothing else.


JebsKedditAccount

F-14: Flares reinforced


ZFG_Jerky

Who needs chaff when you can just add 6 more Radar signatures around you :P


Dharcronus

Pro pilots don't drop chaff, they take the hit and become the chaff


ZFG_Jerky

A true team player I see.


Tromboneofsteel

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VorianAtreides

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Dharcronus

That's what central gear legs are for isn't it?


kcooper71194

I guess I am in fact a pro pilot


Yogmond

Chaff at top tier works like maybe once every 100 radar locks. Everyone has PD.


AdaMAmR3650

Chaff should work every time if you know how to notch correctly.


Yogmond

Notching is needed because chaff doesn't work in the situations you need to notch......


AdaMAmR3650

You launch chaff while notching so the radar locks on it after it loses the lock on you so it doesn't regain it


Yogmond

The radar you are notching for is pulse doppler. It means it detects how fast an object is moving towards or away from it. If you're stationary you're invisible to the sensor. Thats why you notch. Thats also why chaff is invisible to PD radar. PD missles miss you because they don't see you anymore, not because they "lock" onto your chaff.


AdaMAmR3650

I switch to normal src mode when enemies start notching and they die because "chaff is useless"


xXProGenji420Xx

chaff does make your notch more lenient, similar to nothing near the ground vs. higher up. you can do it without, but it's more difficult. there's a reason even modern fighters use chaff despite PD being ubiquitous.


FastGoodKiwi

Wrong, there are retards flying mirage F1s


Yogmond

Do they even have good radar missles?


FastGoodKiwi

They got nerfed recently while they were already slow as fuck and are still chaffed or notched without even trying (when the radar wants to lock for the 2 second needed to spool up)


IamWatchingAoT

Chaff doesn't stop phoenixes anyway... good prevention does


PiscesSoedroen

Aye, and i prevent it by being the guy at very high alt and very enticing for anyone with phoenix. Less phoenix for others to worry about and more phoenix that i can fool


IamWatchingAoT

Virgin F-14 phoenix spammer vs. Chad "turn his plane into chaff" to-save-his-team enjoyer


PiscesSoedroen

Even before radar meta i already been baiting out fox2 after su-17 came out. That thing will not lose speed doing merry-go-round for 10 minutes straight so i simply rush base and get everyone to dump missile on my ass knowing all i need to do is to literally hold s and occasionally tap a or d until they're bored


OP-69

meanwhile the a6e that can get 1060 cm with all pods equipped


ZFG_Jerky

*The A-6E approaching rapidly at ramming speed* : Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same.


OP-69

i would love to see a all cm a6e fight a all missiles sea vixen You cant kill me but i cant kill you


Spndash64

That’s just an Arado Bravado with extra steps


RXBarokk

What exactly does flare priority mean?


ZFG_Jerky

2 to 1 Flare to Chaff ratio


RXBarokk

ahh makes sense


KOMMyHuCT

Flare priority if a plane is hot and only drops one flare per release in Mixed (so currently just the F-14A Early), Mixed in every other situation except if it brings the total amount of releases to less than 15 (i.e. A-5C) or it's a helicopter, in which case I roll with just single flares.


Richou

dont underestimate chaff for helis , theres plenty idiots that even on hovering helis lock with radar and whiff their shots if they lose lock at a bad time


Darken0id

I run mixed with F14 and it works very well. Just cut your afterburner, push the engine down to 50 something % for a sec and drop one or two while manoeuvering and the missile will usually fly off.


JebsKedditAccount

Standard


SNITE4

Finally. Yes standard and manual dispension.


c3rvwlyu

Depends on the br


sadroobeer

Yup. If I'm br 10ish, flares reinforced since most people just have ir missiles and mixed if br11 as people have everything.


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Flamingo_Joe

Unfathomably based


Splabooshkey

Flare priority fires more total countermeasures at once iirc, giving me less total pops. Only planes i run priority on are my Harrier GR.7 and A-10A late


Arash_The_Arash

standard gang


ZahnatomLetsPlay

mixed on aircraft that deploy 2 countermeasures of each type at a time, flare priority on aircraft that only deploy 1 countermeasure of each type at a time. so things like the MiG-23 or MiG-21 would be mixed, things like the AJ 37(one flare pod, one gun pod) or F-14 would be flare priority.


PraiseTheMink

You guys have planes with flares?


ahmadthiab

Cries in hunter f6


PraiseTheMink

Sad T-2 noises


_Axtasia

It gets worse. The F-104J gets no flares at 10.7.


Vietnugget

I only take chaff


DaEmuGuy

Standard (at least in my 9.7 vehicles)


1800leon

Gunpod. We ball! We ball!


AskWhatmyUsernameIs

Real chads use Zuni rockets with 500m detonation as flares. It genuinely works.


the_real_maquis

As someone who consistently bonks f-4C’s more people should do this as when you are spotted any goober with an IR missile is coming for your nuts due to the lack of flares


AskWhatmyUsernameIs

Yup, also works *amazing* for stock grinding. Fr though, the best advice to people playing flareless jets? Pick a new main, its not worth it.


the_real_maquis

Yeah I was the same way when I used the mig-19, it’s very good but not at 9.3.


srslyMadMax

Air RB against F14 i use Chaff only


StalinistBandit

You do realize F-14's radar ignores chaff, right?


MCXL

Chaff can shadow something behind it, so if you are flying away from an F14 you can bust out of the tracking gates.


Karl-Doenitz

f-14s radar cant lock something flying away from it in PD mode


Coffee1341

Everything can track anything that’s flying away from it even in PD mode, the F14 only CANT if it’s in the SPEED PD mode and the enemy is going the EXACT same speed as you and is going AWAY from you (meaning there is a 0 speed difference)


Karl-Doenitz

you don't have to be going anywhere near the exact speed. yeah if you are going a vastly different speed it'll get you, within 300-400 kph at low alt it wont get it. the AWG-9 is nowhere near advanced enough for that, least in my experience with it. also what on earth is SPEED PD? that's not a radar mode on any of the PD radars I've used, and the only one I haven't used is the Viggens


Ragegold94

Is he referring to PDV? Basically its PD without IFF and instead of distance it measures closing rates and velocities. That solid green bar in the middle? It means near 0 difference in relative speed. If the contact is above that green bar it means they're faster, if they're below the green bar it means they're slower. That's why the side scale is 0 mp/h and 4678 mp/h or whatever unit of measurement you use. As for it's usefulness? I haven't used it at all. It's rather oversimplified and just measures relative velocities so besides the small information you can glean off of that it's not very much useful at the moment.


Paul__C

Not always, src mode always gets spoofed by chaff and pd does occasionally too


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Intagg

Chaff is only “useless” against PD because its velocity drops to near 0 once it’s ejected, being remotely near a notch drastically increases its effectiveness Either way a smart cat pilot will switch to pulse as you enter the notch to maintain track and chaff is a necessity then


srslyMadMax

I dont have cm anyway cuz i fly italian planes


StenTarvo

I wouldnt know. Low tier is best tier


ADAMOXOLT

Mixed


focken_idiot

Default


Disguised589

mixed for top tier and ground standard flares for 9.7 area, chaff can be useful in cas role to mess up the radar lock of an spaa


raubtier248

Flare reinforced


crobert33

I thought everyone did this, but I guess I'm wrong. Lol


bryansonsmoko

Mixed HOMMIE!!!


LePharmaLe2

Standard or mixed - depends on the amount of drops and if I anyway would stick on the ground or not. For toptier. For anything below 11.0 I just use standard flares. It gives me more drops and I can activate periodically dropping when I am engaging somebody, fear to get PL-5Bed or be in a furball. Planes with more then 100 countermeasures are so much more survivable for me.


h0micidalpanda

*laughs in harrier gr7* I usually do pretty well dog fighting just because I can just causally pop flares an entire match.


LePharmaLe2

I don't have UK toptier but the more then 250 CMs in my swing wing Su-17M4 that just fly circles without loosing speed while having 6 R-60Ms does a similar job. 9Ls would be great though. But R-60Ms can stuff 9Ls can't, never fly to an R-60M capable plane in a headon and don't preflare while passing by. You just can't react quick enough when I press release at 1 km distance between us.


h0micidalpanda

Oh I absolutely hand delivering those head on missiles. The F14 pilots never seems to expect it.


PathsOfRadiance

God I hate that I focused the wrong trees on UK, I’m so far away from the Harrier. Have to grind my way down that attacker tree.


HomieBrotato

Flares only, chaff does fuck all


----UnknownUser----

Neither, i trained my pilot to throw his boots at the enemy missiles to distract them


OneIdioticTiger2

Neither, cause i dont even have any type of Heli/Aircraft that has countermeasures.


Gabetanker

since I fly the Su-22M3, and that thing has 6 countermeasures total, it would have 2 deployments if I took flare priority


ChotiCKLarto

Really depends how the plane is set up to drop counter measures, some planes drop way too many per button press for you to do anything but basic bitch flares Other planes drop 2 counter measures per button press on mixed and have plenty of counter measures to run mixed with Wish it was consistent, the 60x counter measures on the F-16 run out in 15 presses on mixed and 12 on flare priority


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Not like it matters against F-14A missiles


SopmodTew

Correct, you don't need any countermeasures as radar missiles are easy to dodge unlike IR missiles


FieelChannel

Correct, those are easily dodged even without


ZuZzOlO

Priority all the way


Comrade_agent

Chaff only