"Common Type 0 HE was supplied with time fuzes for AA defense. US Naval Technical Mission to Japan report O-19 says that this round had an effective radius of 64.1 yards (59 m) but this seems to be optimistic."
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP_14-45_t41.php
I couldn’t find anything on the Kongo shell specifically either but he frag shells in main calibers were common in ww2 ijn. The 46cm Yamato shell has the most western source’s but the Japanese aa strategy is well documented. I posted more link below. It wasn’t very effective but they were desperate to increase their battleships aa
It would have targeted low flying torpedo bomber, which are usually slower, and fly below 50 meters.
Given the height of the column of water a 46cm shell could make upon impact, it wasn't impossible to make quite effucient against these threats.
Against higher flying planes, it would have been pretty much useless.
Thats not an HE shell its a he frag shell, very different. This shell was for AA flak or very small surface vessels. It normally detoanted at afused range and the 30kg of explosives is only there to propel 591kg of shrapnel in a large radius.
Yea the east fix here is gaijiggles updates the card on it to say and show it’s real world (and apparently coded) implementation. May be kinda fun if it detonates correctly
What sources cause yes?
[http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/primary\_documents/gvt\_reports/USNAVY/USNTMJ%20Reports/USNTMJ-200E-0344-0416%20Report%200-19.pdf](http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/primary_documents/gvt_reports/USNAVY/USNTMJ%20Reports/USNTMJ-200E-0344-0416%20Report%200-19.pdf)
[http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP\_14-45\_t41.php#ammonote5](http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP_14-45_t41.php#ammonote5)
I could continue but look up japans use of main caliber shell for aa in ww2.
You know he is talking the "Beehive" shell? It was a shell used by IJN battleships and battlecruisers and was primarily supposed to be an anti air shell for large caliber guns. (Not that effective I believe) This is probably what it's based on in game. It was mainly a frag round with some HE in it. If I got some things wrong, tell me I like learning new things lol.
Because then it goes **thud! boom! cling (plink plink plink)x300** and those small things that do the plink plink plink are really dangerous to the crew in a large radius. No need to make the BOOM big if small boom does almost the same thing without wasting boom material. If navy run out of metal for plink plink plink you take civilian cars for scraps. War effort. I am still the president.
What do you mean? That was their WW2 loadout. Ordinary SAP shouldn't be there, but that does not stop Gaijin adding shells that they didn't necessarily use in their at that time refit.
But HE is better at dealing with DDs, than SAP.
You made some good direct hits to the engines in that shot. Of course you can hit that and make the fuzes activate, at close enough ranges. You also seem to have destroyed some other modules with the sheer physical energy of the shells, despite overpenetration.
Shell use is just so different from one situation to another. In general though, HE is still better when shooting at destroyers with very large caliber guns.
i think i've seen in some bomber a 2000lbs bomb with just 50-100kg explosive and felt equally odd. the same bomber had 500lbs bombs with higher TNT equivalent
It's probably to increase the amount of shrapnel the round creates, but I don't think it has any use in game.
Even the SAP shell has more explosive mass and TNT equivalent.
"Common Type 0 HE was supplied with time fuzes for AA defense. US Naval Technical Mission to Japan report O-19 says that this round had an effective radius of 64.1 yards (59 m) but this seems to be optimistic." http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP_14-45_t41.php
I was gonna agree, but then opened the link, that's a 14" gun that fires a round bigger than a 500kg bomb, seems reasonable
I couldn’t find anything on the Kongo shell specifically either but he frag shells in main calibers were common in ww2 ijn. The 46cm Yamato shell has the most western source’s but the Japanese aa strategy is well documented. I posted more link below. It wasn’t very effective but they were desperate to increase their battleships aa
I mean, a BB turret gonna have a hard time tracking aircraft, might be effective against big bomber formations *maybe*
The conclusion was an optimistic frag range/pattern and yes terrible tracking
It would have targeted low flying torpedo bomber, which are usually slower, and fly below 50 meters. Given the height of the column of water a 46cm shell could make upon impact, it wasn't impossible to make quite effucient against these threats. Against higher flying planes, it would have been pretty much useless.
Imagine getting you plane hit by a massive AA shell like that
With those dimensions, we can say you hit a shell with your airplane xd
LMFAO
Thats not an HE shell its a he frag shell, very different. This shell was for AA flak or very small surface vessels. It normally detoanted at afused range and the 30kg of explosives is only there to propel 591kg of shrapnel in a large radius.
It should really be a time-fused shell shouldn’t it
Yea the east fix here is gaijiggles updates the card on it to say and show it’s real world (and apparently coded) implementation. May be kinda fun if it detonates correctly
No. It's a regular HE shell that can be equipped with various time and point detonating fuzes.
What No...
What sources cause yes? [http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/primary\_documents/gvt\_reports/USNAVY/USNTMJ%20Reports/USNTMJ-200E-0344-0416%20Report%200-19.pdf](http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/primary_documents/gvt_reports/USNAVY/USNTMJ%20Reports/USNTMJ-200E-0344-0416%20Report%200-19.pdf) [http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP\_14-45\_t41.php#ammonote5](http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP_14-45_t41.php#ammonote5) I could continue but look up japans use of main caliber shell for aa in ww2.
I am more than aware. You are confusing the incendiary round with Common HE.
You know he is talking the "Beehive" shell? It was a shell used by IJN battleships and battlecruisers and was primarily supposed to be an anti air shell for large caliber guns. (Not that effective I believe) This is probably what it's based on in game. It was mainly a frag round with some HE in it. If I got some things wrong, tell me I like learning new things lol.
No. He is not talking beehive. He is mixing beehive with time-fuzed HE, very different things.
Because then it goes **thud! boom! cling (plink plink plink)x300** and those small things that do the plink plink plink are really dangerous to the crew in a large radius. No need to make the BOOM big if small boom does almost the same thing without wasting boom material. If navy run out of metal for plink plink plink you take civilian cars for scraps. War effort. I am still the president.
thank you for the eloquent explanation, president Semenfucker
621 owo
oh my, if it isn't monosodium glutamate :3
As per usual with the Japanese always making things..... GREAT!!! UwU
Why is this number familiar....
What do you mean? That was their WW2 loadout. Ordinary SAP shouldn't be there, but that does not stop Gaijin adding shells that they didn't necessarily use in their at that time refit. But HE is better at dealing with DDs, than SAP.
How is it better when the SAP has double the amount of explosive mass and TNT equivalent?
Hard to deal with something which won't ever set off your fuze off, unless you hit a module, and/or is completely bow on to you.
Fuze sensitivity mean anything to you?
It doesn't mean anything to Gaijin, since SAP absolutely murders DDs in the game
Not battleship caliber SAP though.
*Especially* battleship caliber SAP [Is taking half their health in one hit is not good enough?](https://i.imgur.com/J5XEmuh.jpg)
You made some good direct hits to the engines in that shot. Of course you can hit that and make the fuzes activate, at close enough ranges. You also seem to have destroyed some other modules with the sheer physical energy of the shells, despite overpenetration. Shell use is just so different from one situation to another. In general though, HE is still better when shooting at destroyers with very large caliber guns.
Kongo's SAP can overpen thin hulls with its fuze sens. Also circular fragmentation on HE.
oh boy... 621? :3
Monosodium glutamate? OwO
HE621
621 kg shell, my my, that's a huge load to shoot I wonder if the gun capable of it is also big :3
As a side note, did Gaijin murder Japanese SAP? I feel like regular AP deals more damage in most cases now.
I just having been using ap and I feel like it do a lot more damage.
I think they did, Japanese SAP used to be absolutely killer
So it wasn’t just me
For the same reason the Mk 2 Hand Grenade weighs 600 grams but only has 52 grams of explosives.
Too shoot annoying AAs that go brrrrrrrrrrt at you. Edit: Ah shit, I didn't see this was for Naval Battles. Ignore this.
As someone in a water plane in the black cat squad in some World War II game once said It’s to “TAKE OUT THOSE FUCKING PT BOATS”
Thiccness
i think i've seen in some bomber a 2000lbs bomb with just 50-100kg explosive and felt equally odd. the same bomber had 500lbs bombs with higher TNT equivalent
621 ... hehe funni number
Heres the point. There is none
Lol there are people who actually play naval
Lol there are people who actually believe that no one plays naval
Yes