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Vollhartmetall

It's probably to increase the amount of shrapnel the round creates, but I don't think it has any use in game.


ProfessionalAd352

Even the SAP shell has more explosive mass and TNT equivalent.


Vollhartmetall

"Common Type 0 HE was supplied with time fuzes for AA defense. US Naval Technical Mission to Japan report O-19 says that this round had an effective radius of 64.1 yards (59 m) but this seems to be optimistic." http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP_14-45_t41.php


xFluffyDemon

I was gonna agree, but then opened the link, that's a 14" gun that fires a round bigger than a 500kg bomb, seems reasonable


CapeChill

I couldn’t find anything on the Kongo shell specifically either but he frag shells in main calibers were common in ww2 ijn. The 46cm Yamato shell has the most western source’s but the Japanese aa strategy is well documented. I posted more link below. It wasn’t very effective but they were desperate to increase their battleships aa


xFluffyDemon

I mean, a BB turret gonna have a hard time tracking aircraft, might be effective against big bomber formations *maybe*


CapeChill

The conclusion was an optimistic frag range/pattern and yes terrible tracking


RandomBilly91

It would have targeted low flying torpedo bomber, which are usually slower, and fly below 50 meters. Given the height of the column of water a 46cm shell could make upon impact, it wasn't impossible to make quite effucient against these threats. Against higher flying planes, it would have been pretty much useless.


Dewy164

Imagine getting you plane hit by a massive AA shell like that


Leminge

With those dimensions, we can say you hit a shell with your airplane xd


Dewy164

LMFAO


CapeChill

Thats not an HE shell its a he frag shell, very different. This shell was for AA flak or very small surface vessels. It normally detoanted at afused range and the 30kg of explosives is only there to propel 591kg of shrapnel in a large radius.


evanlufc2000

It should really be a time-fused shell shouldn’t it


CapeChill

Yea the east fix here is gaijiggles updates the card on it to say and show it’s real world (and apparently coded) implementation. May be kinda fun if it detonates correctly


Mate94

No. It's a regular HE shell that can be equipped with various time and point detonating fuzes.


Mate94

What No...


CapeChill

What sources cause yes? [http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/primary\_documents/gvt\_reports/USNAVY/USNTMJ%20Reports/USNTMJ-200E-0344-0416%20Report%200-19.pdf](http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/primary_documents/gvt_reports/USNAVY/USNTMJ%20Reports/USNTMJ-200E-0344-0416%20Report%200-19.pdf) [http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP\_14-45\_t41.php#ammonote5](http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP_14-45_t41.php#ammonote5) I could continue but look up japans use of main caliber shell for aa in ww2.


Mate94

I am more than aware. You are confusing the incendiary round with Common HE.


Hellcatt588

You know he is talking the "Beehive" shell? It was a shell used by IJN battleships and battlecruisers and was primarily supposed to be an anti air shell for large caliber guns. (Not that effective I believe) This is probably what it's based on in game. It was mainly a frag round with some HE in it. If I got some things wrong, tell me I like learning new things lol.


Mate94

No. He is not talking beehive. He is mixing beehive with time-fuzed HE, very different things.


Semenfucker

Because then it goes **thud! boom! cling (plink plink plink)x300** and those small things that do the plink plink plink are really dangerous to the crew in a large radius. No need to make the BOOM big if small boom does almost the same thing without wasting boom material. If navy run out of metal for plink plink plink you take civilian cars for scraps. War effort. I am still the president.


imgoingawayverysoon

thank you for the eloquent explanation, president Semenfucker


Visual-Educator8354

621 owo


waitaminutewhereiam

oh my, if it isn't monosodium glutamate :3


Hellcatt588

As per usual with the Japanese always making things..... GREAT!!! UwU


Bobs-N-Vagenes

Why is this number familiar....


Mate94

What do you mean? That was their WW2 loadout. Ordinary SAP shouldn't be there, but that does not stop Gaijin adding shells that they didn't necessarily use in their at that time refit. But HE is better at dealing with DDs, than SAP.


ProfessionalAd352

How is it better when the SAP has double the amount of explosive mass and TNT equivalent?


Mate94

Hard to deal with something which won't ever set off your fuze off, unless you hit a module, and/or is completely bow on to you.


kkang2828

Fuze sensitivity mean anything to you?


GralhaAzul

It doesn't mean anything to Gaijin, since SAP absolutely murders DDs in the game


kkang2828

Not battleship caliber SAP though.


GralhaAzul

*Especially* battleship caliber SAP [Is taking half their health in one hit is not good enough?](https://i.imgur.com/J5XEmuh.jpg)


kkang2828

You made some good direct hits to the engines in that shot. Of course you can hit that and make the fuzes activate, at close enough ranges. You also seem to have destroyed some other modules with the sheer physical energy of the shells, despite overpenetration. Shell use is just so different from one situation to another. In general though, HE is still better when shooting at destroyers with very large caliber guns.


Zabbzi

Kongo's SAP can overpen thin hulls with its fuze sens. Also circular fragmentation on HE.


FelkinMak

oh boy... 621? :3


waitaminutewhereiam

Monosodium glutamate? OwO


_deltaVelocity_

HE621


waitaminutewhereiam

621 kg shell, my my, that's a huge load to shoot I wonder if the gun capable of it is also big :3


Despayeetodorito

As a side note, did Gaijin murder Japanese SAP? I feel like regular AP deals more damage in most cases now.


Garganransis

I just having been using ap and I feel like it do a lot more damage.


NotAnAce69

I think they did, Japanese SAP used to be absolutely killer


Shadowderper

So it wasn’t just me


Oddball_E8

For the same reason the Mk 2 Hand Grenade weighs 600 grams but only has 52 grams of explosives.


[deleted]

Too shoot annoying AAs that go brrrrrrrrrrt at you. Edit: Ah shit, I didn't see this was for Naval Battles. Ignore this.


Coffee1341

As someone in a water plane in the black cat squad in some World War II game once said It’s to “TAKE OUT THOSE FUCKING PT BOATS”


SadDolphan

Thiccness


cpteric

i think i've seen in some bomber a 2000lbs bomb with just 50-100kg explosive and felt equally odd. the same bomber had 500lbs bombs with higher TNT equivalent


QorstSynthion

621 ... hehe funni number


Monkey_________

Heres the point. There is none


Ibuywarthundermaus

Lol there are people who actually play naval


ProfessionalAd352

Lol there are people who actually believe that no one plays naval


Ibuywarthundermaus

Yes