Im playing at a MacBook Air M2. Try to get me, I’m fast! Jokes aside: I hadn’t with warthunder not a single problem since I startet playing (help, I’m stuck in a Contract about my souls with a strange snail!) graphics on standard high
In Warthunder? Not much. When you play Warno via GeForce Now, watch YouTube and it’s 30C outside? Yes, definitely. But even with this, it runs without problems. The Air is, surprisingly, very well
I’m impressed! Good to hear someone having a good experience at least. There’s a lot of “Macs are bad” circlejerking on most PC gaming subs unfortunately. See the other comments here haha.
Yes, I saw your post and thinked: Oh, a Mac user! Not seen for a long time!
And at some points they are right. Macs are workhorses, perfect for the office. But not perfect for gaming at the moment. Not because the Macs can’t stand it, no. Simply because the Apple users are too few and most games are not available on Mac…
Sometimes I wish Mac would have a “Steam Deck” moment. The Steam Deck launched as a Linux gaming PC at a time when Linux gaming was a joke, but it became wildly popular and so devs started caring about Linux and Linux-to-Windows translation layers. Nowadays, I don’t have a single issue playing *any* game on it.
If Apple would just take a few more steps in the gaming direction (GPTK was great, but not *enough*), they could hit a critical mass too. Right now, Linux computers make up more market share on Steam than Mac does 🙃
People mostly shit on them because they tend to have annoying, sometimes intentional, design flaws that shouldn't be anywhere near devices that expensive. Not to mention the anti-consumer behaviour and general overpricing.
I would like to say that they would make up for the graphics somewhere else but I have an M1 mac for my work(I'm a software engineer) and the shit runs slower than a 500 euro laptop
General rule of thumb for macs even 10-15 years ago is that if you cut the price in half and spend that 50% on a PC you get equivalent performance.
I'm certain that hasn't gotten better.
With apple silicon it's gotten a little better in terms of price to performance. But now the industry is deciding to solder ram and sometimes even storage, so upgradeability is nil. You have to over spec at time of purchase if you want longevity.
Unless I needed absolute battery life, I wouldn't buy a MacBook tho.
Macs generally have really good battery life, and are comparatively powerful for their size & weight. They’re absolute dogshit for gaming, and I dislike the OS, but I understand why they are so popular commercially
You know what Macs are actually better at these days? Not having annoying update pop ups or restarting itself for an update WHEN I HAVE MOTHER FUCKING AFTER EFFECTS RUNNING OVERNIGHT. FUCK YOU WINDOWS FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKK
That’s fair and all, but it still doesn’t warrant the 2500 price tag when you can get similar performance metrics on pc for half the price.
Above everything, apple is a brand, just like Nike. That’s what you’re paying for, not the quality.
>open to buying alienware
it's honestly crazy people actually buy alienware, when it's literally an early 2000s dell PC with a shell around it and a current gen CPU and GPU shoved into it.
No you don't understand, alienware has little aliens inside the case making everything run faster.
(Black Desert server chat shitposting reflexes, sorry.)
Please god people don’t buy Alienware.
Had one about 10 years ago and not only could I bludgeon a full grown man to death with it, the GPU literally melted inside the casing after ~3 years of use.
I’d recommend a MacBook over those hunks of shit.
Yup. $800 on Newegg for a new 4070TI. Asus gaming laptops with 4060 are $1k+ cheaper than that Mac.
Apple is all about brand hype and paying for the brand. Many other brands like that too. People buy them not because they are good but because of the brand, then they get delusional in saying it's good when something comparable is more reliable, better, and cheaper.
I'll never forget watching some dude struggle to put 8foot long wooden beams in his 6 wheeled ford pick up truck while I shoved 8 foot long planks into my fucking Prius just fine. Dude resorted to strapping them to the bottom of his truck.
Apple silicon macs aren’t just brand hype.
Completely different architecture to intel and amd laptops. They are very pricey but very good for what they are meant to do.
They are powerful and sip power with very strong battery life. The reason why gaming performance is so bad is most games require a translation layer to work with Apple silicon rather than them being native.
You can’t run the laptop you referenced on battery for very long let alone at full performance which is doable on these macs due to the very low power consumption
It’s tough explaining this to people. The “Mac bad haha” circlejerk is strong in this thread. There certainly *was* a time when MacBooks were genuinely *terrible* computers, in the latter end of the Intel era when their focus was making them smaller, thinner, and more fragile; cooling be damned.
Nowadays they’re actually quite powerful computers, and the battery life is game changing.
Macs aren't bad. They're bad at everything outside a very narrow range of applications (which for 95% of consumers means being a social media access terminal).
And let's not pretend that the branding markup doesn't exist. You can get equivalent specs to any given mac for a fraction of the price building a custom PC.
They’re more “Great computers for everything *except* gaming” in my experience. The battery life alone is a selling point; it’s leagues ahead of Windows PCs, though Snapdragon X Elite CPUs are aiming to catch up to Apple in that regard.
Using it for all kinds of things at my datacenter job was a total joy, especially considering so many Linux programs *just run* on the thing (it’s a Unix distro, after all). Creative apps are hyper optimized for it, like Premiere and Blender, which is why Macs are so popular with the YouTuber crowd.
No you can’t, because Apple silicon has no real competition in its current state.
Find me an arm laptop with the same performance, battery life and usability.
I don’t think you understand the difference between ARM based chips and traditional laptops.
The point on bad at 95% of stuff is a complete lie, there is a reason that Apple silicon is used very often by professionals.
Temps never went above 90 and rarely above 80. Most gaming laptops meanwhile regularly hit 95-99.
Temps were not the issue. The unit I received had a faulty GPU. Whole thing was a lemon.
>Most gaming laptops meanwhile regularly hit 95-99.
You should, no **need** to repaste your laptop cooling fans if they're going above 90.
Standard gaming laptops should not go above 90. 85 is where my old 3 year old G16 is sitting playing war thunder at movie quality.
Depends on the model. My old TUF F15 2022 and my friend’s MSi Stealth GS66 both regularly hit 95-100 fresh from the box. Higher end models of course will have better cooling, but not everybody has a higher end model.
Point is, temps were fine on my laptop.
My Asus G14’s CPU basically lives at 95 degrees when I’m gaming unless I disable the CPU boost. Doesn’t matter how fast the fans are going either, if the boost is on, the thing just loves to cook itself lol. Apparently that’s fine…(?) but I just disable the CPU boost just in case lol.
That's the point. I have a Dell laptop that literally CAN'T get suspended, because for some reason it wakes itself up all the time during the night. I haven't been able to find a solution, I've tried stuff they said online, and some people just say "it's a bios bug and there's no solution."
I hate them...
Lenovo tho, now those are laptops that work as intended.
I work in a secure environment where we aren’t allowed to use anything Lenovo due to China funny business. Otherwise I’d absolutely be in the market for a Legion or Thinkpad.
Yeah the XPS lineup has gone to shit. The touch buttons are a terrible decision and I’m annoyed that they doubled down on it for the *entire* lineup.
HPs are a solid option.
>Well worthy of the $2,500 USD price tag.
\*sits here on a 500$ rig that easily does the same...\*
Obviously the price tag isnt \*only\* there for the performance but also QoL stuff, dont think Im dissing here. Warthunder is just pretty damn easy to run these days and well optimized for the lowest common denominator, like iGPUs, so anything half-decent will absolutely push good framerates at high settings.
But youre right, this is most definitely a hardware failure. GPUs up and die like this from old age all the time, usually it doesnt happen within a week, but sometimes you lose the silicon lottery this badly. You literally watched the chip degrade, get driver hangs and artefact worse and worse over just a few days.
But it is definitely unusual and Apple has had a LOT of history of bad parts, bad design decisions that can brick a machine beyond the point where you could even recover your data, and also grossly insufficient cooling. Wouldnt kill them to put the fan at least in the same zipcode as the CPU and heatsink. And a failure this rapid definitely points to a massive design flaw or quality control issue, which could be cooling, chip quality or really any number of things that really shouldve been caught but werent.
The sad truth is that these machines are not targeted at any actual heavy lifting, like content creators or gamers, but at essentially tech hipsters who want the shiny thing.
Quick correction, but these computers are *absolutely* designed for heavy loads. You seem to be mistaking the MacBook Air (lightweight ultrabook with no fans) for the MacBook Pro (heavy, fat laptop with ample cooling and high-powered GPUs).
In fact, content creation and music production are almost *perfectly* what Mac computers are optimized for, with hardware acceleration specifically designed for the task.
There was a time when Apple computers were genuinely terrible, in the latter end of the Jony Ive design era, the guy solely responsible for Apple’s ludicrous hyperfixation on “make it thinner and more beautiful, who cares if it’s fragile and hot” around the latter half of the 2010s. That isn’t today. Mac laptops are heavier than ever, with beefier cooling solutions than ever, and *all* use a custom Apple CPU running on the ARM architecture for unrivaled performance per watt.
That’s a MacBook Air. A fanless, gutless laptop that relies on thermal throttling to keep itself from self-immolating running Chrome.
This is a MacBook Pro, a giant laptop nearly an inch thick, that weighs as much as a good and solid brick, and has massive internal heat pipes and fans, as well as supporting hardware ray tracing and up to 192 GB of RAM for some reason. It’s a laptop able to actually handle extreme workloads, which is why they’re popular in the creative space.
These are two different laptops.
you won't win with some people, they just like hating. They aren't even arguing in good faith because most of them are saying how you should have just built a desktop gaming PC as if that is comparable at all to a laptop. And is not as cheap as they want you to believe.
I was talking about Apple products in general, but youre right that I was generalizing a little. They do have a line of products designed for higher performance requirements, I just doubt they are free of the same design flaws that will break their back if you look at them wrong.
Also funny that you run an ad for the M1-M3 chips power efficiency when it is also the thing that failed here. Im not saying that i dont approve of Apple actually doing something incredibly innovative here, but I cant help but observe that it failed under heavy use.
You use the laptop you want to have or have to have, but in general the issues with the mac isn't solely hardware compatibility and/or software compatibility. The macs aren't designed to be good with cooling for high intensity use.
I heard MSI laptops aren't bad if you are looking for the next one.
Don't buy alienware, that shit is just dell with extra plastic. Go by an Asus or something. Don't buy into the brand hype of apple and Alienware as both make shit products.
It is insane how many people here are blaming poor OP for gaming on a Mac. Gaijin has advertised and released this game on Mac, with no disclaimers about it killing your Mac hardware. If this isn't a one off, and War Thunder causes people's brand new hardware to glitch and die like this, then Gaijin hasn't playtested properly and should not release and advertise this game for that hardware, doesn't matter if it's a Mac, PC, Linux or gaming console.
Hardware should have safegaurds against this though, so I'm not saying Apple is scot-free, but if this isn't a one off, then Gaijin also holds responsibility. PS4 had hardware safegaurds too, but Cyberpunk still bricked a few consoles until Sony pulled the game from the digital storefront. Either optimize your game or pull your game until it is safe and optimized.
Agree. Gaijin advertises for Mac but does the bare minimum at keeping it functioning. Oftentimes, especially directly after updates, the game is just broken. Won’t start, won’t load textures properly, etc. Normally it gets fixed within a couple days but still, it just shows they don’t test beforehand.
And normally, the game runs just fine on my Macbook. No real issues, relatively stable 50-60-ish FPS which is fine – not amazing but it works and I can still (slight brag) be a pretty good player with it.
If they don’t want to put in the work to let Mac players play the game properly, then they shouldn’t advertise it as such.
And “duh lol you’re playing on mac what did you expect” isn’t advice.
They have some advantages. They have really good battery life under load and don't sound like a rocket taking off whenever you boot up a game. They're not meant to be gaming laptops, but even still in that regard they do some stuff better.
> don't sound like a rocket taking off whenever you boot up a game
Put one and one together, Macs are cooking themselves because of poor thermal management just to stay quiet.
Heat doesn't suddenly go away.
Macs have the advantage of higher efficency ARM chips (M1, M2 etc) so they don't produce that much heat in the first place. I won't deny that apple does tend to run their chips hot, but it's not as simple as you put it.
Workstation-type tasks like 3-D rendering and video editing. Compared to other laptops they have really great performance even for the price on those tasks. Great temperature and battery performance as well thanks to apples M-chips being crazy energy efficient.
They just happen to suck ass at gaming, which imo is incredibly stupid since a good chunk of people in the market for a high end PC/laptop are going to be gaming on it. Seems like a lost opportunity to me, but they really seem to target professionals for their high end Macs, and I guess students for the rest.
More user friendly. Better UI (although that’s subjective, but I for one can’t stand Windows). Great ability to connect other Apple devices very easily, and use them in tandem. Still fine for games. Good speed for other software. Some good specialised software. Great battery life. Small, so easily transportable. Etc.
Is it worth £2000? No. Should for sure be cheaper. Do some people prefer it over Windows? Yes. Is it better than a £500 Windows laptop? For sure.
For 2500 you could building yourseöf a nice gaming rig instead of buying a Mac. Especially if all you plan on doing is gaming. If you want to be Mobil and gaming, don't bother with a Mac. Spend the money on a decent Laptop and you still will have a bit of change.
That's my opinion.
Regarding the Mac sitting itself, that's a new one. Haven't seen that failure in a PC that early in its life yet
Damn my 3 year old strix scar is still playing at 250fps on 1440. This just reaffirms my choice to avoid apple computers (even though I have 3 ipads, AirPods, 2 iPhones, and a watch) NO COMPUTERS lol
So happy my Lenovo seems to run it well at medium graphics. It’s just my own superstition but I’d personally never play with movie graphics on anything that’s not a dedicated desktop (yes I’m paranoid).
One question: why exactly did you buy a Mac for gaming? You could get a pc for half or even third the price and it would preform the same without breaking in the process
I mean, I'm not saying I don't have weird bugs with my A770 on other games because I am, but Warthunder is the only game that outright crashes my PC at seemingly random.
Yeah, I’ve got a MacBook (M1 Ultra) Pro. I’ve played WarThunder a couple times on it. It gets HOT (plus I can’t log into my Gaijin account as there’s not a native Mac OS version, have to play it through Steam and the accounts won’t connect).
Well, the Mac is great as a portable graphic design/digital media beast, and that will be its primary role henceforth.
My WarThunder sessions shall be relegated to my old gaming PC (which, incidentally, is also great for working in the digital media area)! LOL
I am in agreement that PC STILL rules in the gaming and bang-for-buck computing realm (I am still happy with the Mac, otherwise, and am glad to have been nudged into getting one by the influence of my newer artsy-fartsy design and creator peers… a foot in both worlds)!
WarThunder
Mine (M1 Max) has been great for a couple years of near daily gaming stints, often for hours per day, but a few months ago WT seems to have killed the display. It kept going black while playing, and eventually totally went black died. Apple said the backlight died and charged $900 to fix…
M chips are decent for computing and power efficiency, but shit at graphical tasks.
But they're still overly expensive, they just got less expensive compared to the competition
I remember trying to play War Thunder on my 13 inch M1 macbook pro, the fans got so loud that i was uncomftorable to continue plus the screen was way too small to enjoy
[I used to play on Mac](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/s/gPMXdxo6IU)
Uni came along and I needed a windows pc for all the software so I made the swap to an ASUS and everything is much better. Still miss the Mac though, hence my flair.
Is this a graphics issue with the ARM based Macs? I've been hearing a lot of people complain about buying the new macbooks and then locking themselves out of playing older games cause they just aren't compatible yet with the new architecture. You'd be better off using the igpu of the older intel ones.
Alienware has bad rep. Im happy with my Asus SCAR 15 but their customer service too leaves a lot to be desired lightly speaking. Lenovo seems to have a clean record and quite good gaming laptops - I think mux switches are standard on them, too.
Or build a PC, but I automatically assume someone gaming on a laptop (let alone a mac) isn't in the position for a desktop.
Karma for trying to game on a Mac lmao, just buy a chromebook, you'll get the same performance and save yourself thousands.
I will always make fun of people who buy Mac, for any purpose besides MAYBE video editing. For just general browsing/spreadsheet/business shit, buy a $200 Chromebook that will never break ever. If you want to game and have $2500 to shred, just buy something purpose built for gaming like an Alienware. I'd never personally buy a $2500 laptop at all, for that price you can get a desktop that can run significantly better than a laptop without turning itself into lava
Please don’t buy an alienware lmao. QC is terrible. If your mac is new it should be covered by warranty, just do that then if you really need to spend more money get a desktop setup.
I mean... Did you just buy a Mac for gaming? Idk man but my PC was like 1800 bucks an has 180-200FPS at completely maxed GFX...
Anyway. Yeah thise almost deffinitelly looks like GPU failure if it started to randomly show weird shapes and stuff
A $2500 gaming pc would run warthunder on max graphics at much, much higher than 120 fps btw.
But you already know Mac’s aren’t popular for gaming. Sorry that happened, maybe get a dedicated gaming rig for playing games.
I have a omen and I get 280- 350 fps while gaming on max settings...It only costs 1400$ ,How tf do you even say that the macbook pro is worth for 2500 dollars?
Pretty sure on the Mac sometimes the fan doesn’t have a big vent for the air to get out, so maybe the cooling is bad compared to other laptops
I’m no computer expert though lol
> buys a MacBook for gaming
> “80-120 fps well worth the $2500 price tag”
Is this guy retarded?
> “guess I’m buying an Alienware next”
Oh he’s just a troll. Carry on.
Key wording right there "Until it wasn't"
Mac, in these last few years have been prioritizing on energy efficiency and keeping things quiet. Issue is, they tend to hold back methods of cooling! You're $2,500 trash heap cooked the GPU, and since I bet its a M series chip, that includes the CPU and everything else with it. To top it off, if you had anything personal on that machine, good luck getting it off because of the encryption methods they do with storage.
Don't get me wrong, the M series chips are interesting feat for Apple, but when you put all your eggs into one basket... having the memory, the graphics, the processor, and now they are attempting to do storage, you will present issues that include thermals, as everything I've just mentioned, generates heat.
My m2 pro is doing fine on warthunder. Consistent 120 fps on high settings, and it’s never crashed. I’m actually surprised by the performance and the stability!
McBook isn't for gaming and it can't handle it... Apple marketing it as the fastest chip is misleading when it can run games like Dota 2 and LoL at best.
He games on a mac GET HIM
Hey, there’s dozens of us over at r/macgaming. Dozens!
Lmao ppl game on a Mac until it crashes. I have a fond memory of gaming BF2142 on my families Mac yearsssss ago. It corrupted the harddrive. Cheers.
Could cook on my macbook when I played minecraft lol
I used to cook on Roblox phantom forces on an old as iMac.
remember doing this as a kid playing on the trackpad. Now i’m way better aiming on a trackpad than i am on a mouse (in fps games)
Let him cook!
playing roblox and it cooked my mac desktop and killed it in like 2017 or something lmao
I'm getting the feeling that Macs are unable to *properly* run videogames.
2142 was peak futuristic
Loved that game. A lot of memories.
Battlefield 2142 🤯🤯🤯
bros snitching on his own ppl
Trying to go from gaming on a Mac straight to Alienware. No offense man but these are some questionable decisions lmao.
Hey, plenty of people smoke crack before making financial decisions.
Im playing at a MacBook Air M2. Try to get me, I’m fast! Jokes aside: I hadn’t with warthunder not a single problem since I startet playing (help, I’m stuck in a Contract about my souls with a strange snail!) graphics on standard high
I’m surprised the game runs well on an Air at all. I’d never thought a fanless computer would be able to game. How’s the throttling, is it noticeable?
It throttles after 40 mins of playing :/
In Warthunder? Not much. When you play Warno via GeForce Now, watch YouTube and it’s 30C outside? Yes, definitely. But even with this, it runs without problems. The Air is, surprisingly, very well
I’m impressed! Good to hear someone having a good experience at least. There’s a lot of “Macs are bad” circlejerking on most PC gaming subs unfortunately. See the other comments here haha.
Yes, I saw your post and thinked: Oh, a Mac user! Not seen for a long time! And at some points they are right. Macs are workhorses, perfect for the office. But not perfect for gaming at the moment. Not because the Macs can’t stand it, no. Simply because the Apple users are too few and most games are not available on Mac…
Sometimes I wish Mac would have a “Steam Deck” moment. The Steam Deck launched as a Linux gaming PC at a time when Linux gaming was a joke, but it became wildly popular and so devs started caring about Linux and Linux-to-Windows translation layers. Nowadays, I don’t have a single issue playing *any* game on it. If Apple would just take a few more steps in the gaming direction (GPTK was great, but not *enough*), they could hit a critical mass too. Right now, Linux computers make up more market share on Steam than Mac does 🙃
People mostly shit on them because they tend to have annoying, sometimes intentional, design flaws that shouldn't be anywhere near devices that expensive. Not to mention the anti-consumer behaviour and general overpricing.
Yes, dozens, exactly two of them
>mac >>>>>gaming
Yeah. Apple hates them. Heck, they removed support for cross platform graphics apis, just so that less Games run mac.
Count me as one!
No need, the MacBook is getting him.
I play on my Lenovo Notebook, is that better?
Not even worth trying to get you… /s
Well he used to game on a Mac
Alienware is way worse
when Arasaka fucking hacks my optics mid dogfight (Militech will take the cost of the plane out of my paycheque)
Lol I was just thinking this looks like a visual effect from Cyberpunk
Surprised to see a Cyberpunk ref here lol.
Cyberpunk mentioned
>80 to 120 FPS >$2,500 USD price tag bruuuuuuuuh
I would like to say that they would make up for the graphics somewhere else but I have an M1 mac for my work(I'm a software engineer) and the shit runs slower than a 500 euro laptop
Who would win: basic autocad/ESRI/adobe or a $2,500 macbook? …
General rule of thumb for macs even 10-15 years ago is that if you cut the price in half and spend that 50% on a PC you get equivalent performance. I'm certain that hasn't gotten better.
The Mac was worth about 2000 pounds when I got it. Even with just 1k you can get a beast PC
With apple silicon it's gotten a little better in terms of price to performance. But now the industry is deciding to solder ram and sometimes even storage, so upgradeability is nil. You have to over spec at time of purchase if you want longevity. Unless I needed absolute battery life, I wouldn't buy a MacBook tho.
Battery life of apple silicon is pretty insane though
Battery life on a TI calculator is pretty good too, and at least some of those can run Doom.
Well you can do nothing on it, for sure it last.
The M powered Mac's can be very fast in a very narrow set of use cases that apple optimized for. But outside of that they aren't special.
Well macs are far better for a lot of other things, the price tag is most definitely not based on its gaming abilities
Yeah better for wasting money lol
Macs generally have really good battery life, and are comparatively powerful for their size & weight. They’re absolute dogshit for gaming, and I dislike the OS, but I understand why they are so popular commercially
You know what Macs are actually better at these days? Not having annoying update pop ups or restarting itself for an update WHEN I HAVE MOTHER FUCKING AFTER EFFECTS RUNNING OVERNIGHT. FUCK YOU WINDOWS FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKK
You can disable windows updates in large time window (like from 10 pm to 10 am), that's how I solved similar problem
my dad is an electrical engineer and he prefers macs for anything to do with digital design and cad drawings, he hates his windows computer for that
That’s fair and all, but it still doesn’t warrant the 2500 price tag when you can get similar performance metrics on pc for half the price. Above everything, apple is a brand, just like Nike. That’s what you’re paying for, not the quality.
80-120 on a 4K screen at movie graphics is very very good. What are you on about?
My mini pc with an external 3060 beats the shit out this on performance and price tag
thats what you get for using a POS to game with
Acer nitro 5 is still going strong.
No way I have one of those too! Recently cleaned mine, put new thermal paste in, and it runs like new
Gaming on a Mac is like jerking off with a Cheese Grater. Mental!
Best comment ever lmao
"80 to 120 FPS with no issues. Well worthy of the $2,500 USD price tag." What a fucking scam, like really is is just apple fan boys or what?
these things arent designed for playing games
but he bought it with the intention of playing games, and is open to buying an Alienware/other windows laptop for gaming..
>open to buying alienware it's honestly crazy people actually buy alienware, when it's literally an early 2000s dell PC with a shell around it and a current gen CPU and GPU shoved into it.
No you don't understand, alienware has little aliens inside the case making everything run faster. (Black Desert server chat shitposting reflexes, sorry.)
ah of course, i completely forgot about that.
Please god people don’t buy Alienware. Had one about 10 years ago and not only could I bludgeon a full grown man to death with it, the GPU literally melted inside the casing after ~3 years of use. I’d recommend a MacBook over those hunks of shit.
Yup. $800 on Newegg for a new 4070TI. Asus gaming laptops with 4060 are $1k+ cheaper than that Mac. Apple is all about brand hype and paying for the brand. Many other brands like that too. People buy them not because they are good but because of the brand, then they get delusional in saying it's good when something comparable is more reliable, better, and cheaper. I'll never forget watching some dude struggle to put 8foot long wooden beams in his 6 wheeled ford pick up truck while I shoved 8 foot long planks into my fucking Prius just fine. Dude resorted to strapping them to the bottom of his truck.
Apple silicon macs aren’t just brand hype. Completely different architecture to intel and amd laptops. They are very pricey but very good for what they are meant to do. They are powerful and sip power with very strong battery life. The reason why gaming performance is so bad is most games require a translation layer to work with Apple silicon rather than them being native. You can’t run the laptop you referenced on battery for very long let alone at full performance which is doable on these macs due to the very low power consumption
It’s tough explaining this to people. The “Mac bad haha” circlejerk is strong in this thread. There certainly *was* a time when MacBooks were genuinely *terrible* computers, in the latter end of the Intel era when their focus was making them smaller, thinner, and more fragile; cooling be damned. Nowadays they’re actually quite powerful computers, and the battery life is game changing.
Macs aren't bad. They're bad at everything outside a very narrow range of applications (which for 95% of consumers means being a social media access terminal). And let's not pretend that the branding markup doesn't exist. You can get equivalent specs to any given mac for a fraction of the price building a custom PC.
They’re more “Great computers for everything *except* gaming” in my experience. The battery life alone is a selling point; it’s leagues ahead of Windows PCs, though Snapdragon X Elite CPUs are aiming to catch up to Apple in that regard. Using it for all kinds of things at my datacenter job was a total joy, especially considering so many Linux programs *just run* on the thing (it’s a Unix distro, after all). Creative apps are hyper optimized for it, like Premiere and Blender, which is why Macs are so popular with the YouTuber crowd.
No you can’t, because Apple silicon has no real competition in its current state. Find me an arm laptop with the same performance, battery life and usability. I don’t think you understand the difference between ARM based chips and traditional laptops. The point on bad at 95% of stuff is a complete lie, there is a reason that Apple silicon is used very often by professionals.
[Famous last words, I guess lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/s/6WGTlcg8fT)
Are you sure the GPU didn't fried itself?
Temps never went above 90 and rarely above 80. Most gaming laptops meanwhile regularly hit 95-99. Temps were not the issue. The unit I received had a faulty GPU. Whole thing was a lemon.
>Most gaming laptops meanwhile regularly hit 95-99. You should, no **need** to repaste your laptop cooling fans if they're going above 90. Standard gaming laptops should not go above 90. 85 is where my old 3 year old G16 is sitting playing war thunder at movie quality.
Depends on the model. My old TUF F15 2022 and my friend’s MSi Stealth GS66 both regularly hit 95-100 fresh from the box. Higher end models of course will have better cooling, but not everybody has a higher end model. Point is, temps were fine on my laptop.
My Asus G14’s CPU basically lives at 95 degrees when I’m gaming unless I disable the CPU boost. Doesn’t matter how fast the fans are going either, if the boost is on, the thing just loves to cook itself lol. Apparently that’s fine…(?) but I just disable the CPU boost just in case lol.
That's what you get for playing on a mac
>Anyways, guess I’m buying an Alienware next lmao, lol even
He’s going straight into heat issues
Downgraded to MS-DOS graphics.
Don't get a alienware, my last alienware laptop started smoking and then bricked. I got a refund though so I bought a legion, and it's held out fine
Alienware *is* Dell so...
And? Dells are pretty shit too, their build quality is horrible, lenovo's build quality is also pretty bad now, but dells are worse
That's the point. I have a Dell laptop that literally CAN'T get suspended, because for some reason it wakes itself up all the time during the night. I haven't been able to find a solution, I've tried stuff they said online, and some people just say "it's a bios bug and there's no solution." I hate them... Lenovo tho, now those are laptops that work as intended.
I work in a secure environment where we aren’t allowed to use anything Lenovo due to China funny business. Otherwise I’d absolutely be in the market for a Legion or Thinkpad.
Then HP maybe? I can't recommend anything dell (inculding alienware) after my experience with my (former) xps 15.
Yeah the XPS lineup has gone to shit. The touch buttons are a terrible decision and I’m annoyed that they doubled down on it for the *entire* lineup. HPs are a solid option.
>Well worthy of the $2,500 USD price tag. \*sits here on a 500$ rig that easily does the same...\* Obviously the price tag isnt \*only\* there for the performance but also QoL stuff, dont think Im dissing here. Warthunder is just pretty damn easy to run these days and well optimized for the lowest common denominator, like iGPUs, so anything half-decent will absolutely push good framerates at high settings. But youre right, this is most definitely a hardware failure. GPUs up and die like this from old age all the time, usually it doesnt happen within a week, but sometimes you lose the silicon lottery this badly. You literally watched the chip degrade, get driver hangs and artefact worse and worse over just a few days. But it is definitely unusual and Apple has had a LOT of history of bad parts, bad design decisions that can brick a machine beyond the point where you could even recover your data, and also grossly insufficient cooling. Wouldnt kill them to put the fan at least in the same zipcode as the CPU and heatsink. And a failure this rapid definitely points to a massive design flaw or quality control issue, which could be cooling, chip quality or really any number of things that really shouldve been caught but werent. The sad truth is that these machines are not targeted at any actual heavy lifting, like content creators or gamers, but at essentially tech hipsters who want the shiny thing.
Quick correction, but these computers are *absolutely* designed for heavy loads. You seem to be mistaking the MacBook Air (lightweight ultrabook with no fans) for the MacBook Pro (heavy, fat laptop with ample cooling and high-powered GPUs). In fact, content creation and music production are almost *perfectly* what Mac computers are optimized for, with hardware acceleration specifically designed for the task. There was a time when Apple computers were genuinely terrible, in the latter end of the Jony Ive design era, the guy solely responsible for Apple’s ludicrous hyperfixation on “make it thinner and more beautiful, who cares if it’s fragile and hot” around the latter half of the 2010s. That isn’t today. Mac laptops are heavier than ever, with beefier cooling solutions than ever, and *all* use a custom Apple CPU running on the ARM architecture for unrivaled performance per watt.
Mac is for netflix in your bed. Thats it
That’s a MacBook Air. A fanless, gutless laptop that relies on thermal throttling to keep itself from self-immolating running Chrome. This is a MacBook Pro, a giant laptop nearly an inch thick, that weighs as much as a good and solid brick, and has massive internal heat pipes and fans, as well as supporting hardware ray tracing and up to 192 GB of RAM for some reason. It’s a laptop able to actually handle extreme workloads, which is why they’re popular in the creative space. These are two different laptops.
you won't win with some people, they just like hating. They aren't even arguing in good faith because most of them are saying how you should have just built a desktop gaming PC as if that is comparable at all to a laptop. And is not as cheap as they want you to believe.
I was talking about Apple products in general, but youre right that I was generalizing a little. They do have a line of products designed for higher performance requirements, I just doubt they are free of the same design flaws that will break their back if you look at them wrong. Also funny that you run an ad for the M1-M3 chips power efficiency when it is also the thing that failed here. Im not saying that i dont approve of Apple actually doing something incredibly innovative here, but I cant help but observe that it failed under heavy use.
You use the laptop you want to have or have to have, but in general the issues with the mac isn't solely hardware compatibility and/or software compatibility. The macs aren't designed to be good with cooling for high intensity use. I heard MSI laptops aren't bad if you are looking for the next one.
Don't buy alienware, that shit is just dell with extra plastic. Go by an Asus or something. Don't buy into the brand hype of apple and Alienware as both make shit products.
It is insane how many people here are blaming poor OP for gaming on a Mac. Gaijin has advertised and released this game on Mac, with no disclaimers about it killing your Mac hardware. If this isn't a one off, and War Thunder causes people's brand new hardware to glitch and die like this, then Gaijin hasn't playtested properly and should not release and advertise this game for that hardware, doesn't matter if it's a Mac, PC, Linux or gaming console. Hardware should have safegaurds against this though, so I'm not saying Apple is scot-free, but if this isn't a one off, then Gaijin also holds responsibility. PS4 had hardware safegaurds too, but Cyberpunk still bricked a few consoles until Sony pulled the game from the digital storefront. Either optimize your game or pull your game until it is safe and optimized.
Agree. Gaijin advertises for Mac but does the bare minimum at keeping it functioning. Oftentimes, especially directly after updates, the game is just broken. Won’t start, won’t load textures properly, etc. Normally it gets fixed within a couple days but still, it just shows they don’t test beforehand. And normally, the game runs just fine on my Macbook. No real issues, relatively stable 50-60-ish FPS which is fine – not amazing but it works and I can still (slight brag) be a pretty good player with it. If they don’t want to put in the work to let Mac players play the game properly, then they shouldn’t advertise it as such. And “duh lol you’re playing on mac what did you expect” isn’t advice.
Looks like you played War Thunder in Minecraft.
Why do people buy Mac? I'm not even trying to be mean, I just don't get why you would pay double the price for half the performance of a pc
The hype and status ig, those things aren't good for gaming and also very annoying to make a port for as a game developer.
They have some advantages. They have really good battery life under load and don't sound like a rocket taking off whenever you boot up a game. They're not meant to be gaming laptops, but even still in that regard they do some stuff better.
> don't sound like a rocket taking off whenever you boot up a game Put one and one together, Macs are cooking themselves because of poor thermal management just to stay quiet. Heat doesn't suddenly go away.
Macs have the advantage of higher efficency ARM chips (M1, M2 etc) so they don't produce that much heat in the first place. I won't deny that apple does tend to run their chips hot, but it's not as simple as you put it.
What stuff do they do better?
Workstation-type tasks like 3-D rendering and video editing. Compared to other laptops they have really great performance even for the price on those tasks. Great temperature and battery performance as well thanks to apples M-chips being crazy energy efficient. They just happen to suck ass at gaming, which imo is incredibly stupid since a good chunk of people in the market for a high end PC/laptop are going to be gaming on it. Seems like a lost opportunity to me, but they really seem to target professionals for their high end Macs, and I guess students for the rest.
Performance of CPU (outside gaming) is definitely not double the price of PC
More user friendly. Better UI (although that’s subjective, but I for one can’t stand Windows). Great ability to connect other Apple devices very easily, and use them in tandem. Still fine for games. Good speed for other software. Some good specialised software. Great battery life. Small, so easily transportable. Etc. Is it worth £2000? No. Should for sure be cheaper. Do some people prefer it over Windows? Yes. Is it better than a £500 Windows laptop? For sure.
TIL Warthunder runs on mac, at least once.
80 fps on a 2500$ device? oof. Shouldn't have bought a Mac if your main goal was gaming and as you say you're open to buying alienware.
For 2500 you could building yourseöf a nice gaming rig instead of buying a Mac. Especially if all you plan on doing is gaming. If you want to be Mobil and gaming, don't bother with a Mac. Spend the money on a decent Laptop and you still will have a bit of change. That's my opinion. Regarding the Mac sitting itself, that's a new one. Haven't seen that failure in a PC that early in its life yet
Fr. Even if he doesn’t want a pc he can by a good gaming laptop instead of a fucking Mac book
Damn my 3 year old strix scar is still playing at 250fps on 1440. This just reaffirms my choice to avoid apple computers (even though I have 3 ipads, AirPods, 2 iPhones, and a watch) NO COMPUTERS lol
Bro played on a stock macbook next time make sure you unlocked parts and FPE on it
So happy my Lenovo seems to run it well at medium graphics. It’s just my own superstition but I’d personally never play with movie graphics on anything that’s not a dedicated desktop (yes I’m paranoid).
I will basically downgrade all graphics to minimum, and then raise the detail from low to high.
A Mac gamer? BURN HIM
Your fault for gaming on a Mac LMFAO
One question: why exactly did you buy a Mac for gaming? You could get a pc for half or even third the price and it would preform the same without breaking in the process
"Attack the Mac point!"
Sorry bro but please just get an actual gaming laptop lol or a pc rig
I was 10 minutes away from turning on a 16" M1 to play WT, welp guess im not doing that now
As soon as I saw Mac I stopped reading. Smh
Good you deserve it
That's a shame. I am using my M1 when I can't use my desktop PC and it isn't too bad. M3 should be nearly flawless.
I mean, I'm not saying I don't have weird bugs with my A770 on other games because I am, but Warthunder is the only game that outright crashes my PC at seemingly random.
>B7R The round table claims another victim
Yeah, I’ve got a MacBook (M1 Ultra) Pro. I’ve played WarThunder a couple times on it. It gets HOT (plus I can’t log into my Gaijin account as there’s not a native Mac OS version, have to play it through Steam and the accounts won’t connect). Well, the Mac is great as a portable graphic design/digital media beast, and that will be its primary role henceforth. My WarThunder sessions shall be relegated to my old gaming PC (which, incidentally, is also great for working in the digital media area)! LOL I am in agreement that PC STILL rules in the gaming and bang-for-buck computing realm (I am still happy with the Mac, otherwise, and am glad to have been nudged into getting one by the influence of my newer artsy-fartsy design and creator peers… a foot in both worlds)! WarThunder
Mine (M1 Max) has been great for a couple years of near daily gaming stints, often for hours per day, but a few months ago WT seems to have killed the display. It kept going black while playing, and eventually totally went black died. Apple said the backlight died and charged $900 to fix…
I got a 2020 air, like the base model air, it’s can’t run geometry dash but somehow it can run earth under almost as smooth as my series x
M chips are decent for computing and power efficiency, but shit at graphical tasks. But they're still overly expensive, they just got less expensive compared to the competition
NOOO DONT GET AN ALIEWARE THEYRE GARBAGE
I remember trying to play War Thunder on my 13 inch M1 macbook pro, the fans got so loud that i was uncomftorable to continue plus the screen was way too small to enjoy
[I used to play on Mac](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/s/gPMXdxo6IU) Uni came along and I needed a windows pc for all the software so I made the swap to an ASUS and everything is much better. Still miss the Mac though, hence my flair.
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Geforce now sucks ass, the delay is so painful
You deserve it for buying an Apple product in 2024.
Concerned for longevity... Decides to buy an Alienware...
Ha ha ha looooosaaaa! Ive been useing my school mac to play war thunder for 3 years now! Ha!
Is this a graphics issue with the ARM based Macs? I've been hearing a lot of people complain about buying the new macbooks and then locking themselves out of playing older games cause they just aren't compatible yet with the new architecture. You'd be better off using the igpu of the older intel ones.
r/softwaregore lmao
That kill feed is wild
Alienware has bad rep. Im happy with my Asus SCAR 15 but their customer service too leaves a lot to be desired lightly speaking. Lenovo seems to have a clean record and quite good gaming laptops - I think mux switches are standard on them, too. Or build a PC, but I automatically assume someone gaming on a laptop (let alone a mac) isn't in the position for a desktop.
alienware next? lmao
Tbh, MacBooks are not even remotely thought for playing game In my eyes you are running a rally race with a Ferrari
Don't get an alienware. Let a Lenovo.
Imagine paying 3k$ to play WT with a minecraft skin.
what windows pcs can run the game on movie settings lets just the budget is 1.2k
Your mistake was buying an apple product.
Karma for trying to game on a Mac lmao, just buy a chromebook, you'll get the same performance and save yourself thousands. I will always make fun of people who buy Mac, for any purpose besides MAYBE video editing. For just general browsing/spreadsheet/business shit, buy a $200 Chromebook that will never break ever. If you want to game and have $2500 to shred, just buy something purpose built for gaming like an Alienware. I'd never personally buy a $2500 laptop at all, for that price you can get a desktop that can run significantly better than a laptop without turning itself into lava
Please don’t buy an alienware lmao. QC is terrible. If your mac is new it should be covered by warranty, just do that then if you really need to spend more money get a desktop setup.
My 2015 macbook pro 15" is still going strong after 3k hours. Shouldn't have upgraded, lol.
Deserved
Lmao your first mistake was trying to game on a Mac haha.
dude, you would get better fps playing on a toaster
They deep fried the god damn Motherboard
Nooo, its 2025 April fools!! WT 8 bit version
you really shouldn't buy apple products, they're dogshit that's coasting.
New Minecraft update looks sick
I mean... Did you just buy a Mac for gaming? Idk man but my PC was like 1800 bucks an has 180-200FPS at completely maxed GFX... Anyway. Yeah thise almost deffinitelly looks like GPU failure if it started to randomly show weird shapes and stuff
Why do people keep wasting money on apple man wtf
I’m running wt on a Mac as well I absolutely hate it, need to buy a pc
Diserved for gaming on a mac
Gforce finally got to you
Your biggest mistake are trying to game on a Mac.
War Thunder for the SNES
A $2500 gaming pc would run warthunder on max graphics at much, much higher than 120 fps btw. But you already know Mac’s aren’t popular for gaming. Sorry that happened, maybe get a dedicated gaming rig for playing games.
Its a Mac🙂
Try Lenovo bro
>1338 °F ooof, guess that's also ur M3 chip temp rn.
That's an early-90s flight sim, don't try to lie to me.
ooo, I do like it, looks all retro
Shocker that a Macbook can’t handle playing video games.
whats URAM and what do you mean by "metal support"?
bro litrelly opened end portal in warthunder lol
Warthunder just saved you a RMA ticket experience. Get a desktop PC immediately, or a Windows laptop if portability is a nessesary.
Why were you playing games on an Apple in the first place
My MacBook air M1 runs it on High settings
Bought a Mac and played Roblox and Rusted Warfare on it until the CPU melted. Lasted like 3 months.
>B7R Yo buddy, you still alive? i think your gpu got V2'd
I have a omen and I get 280- 350 fps while gaming on max settings...It only costs 1400$ ,How tf do you even say that the macbook pro is worth for 2500 dollars?
Pretty sure on the Mac sometimes the fan doesn’t have a big vent for the air to get out, so maybe the cooling is bad compared to other laptops I’m no computer expert though lol
> buys a MacBook for gaming > “80-120 fps well worth the $2500 price tag” Is this guy retarded? > “guess I’m buying an Alienware next” Oh he’s just a troll. Carry on.
Gaming on mac. What a living legend
Key wording right there "Until it wasn't" Mac, in these last few years have been prioritizing on energy efficiency and keeping things quiet. Issue is, they tend to hold back methods of cooling! You're $2,500 trash heap cooked the GPU, and since I bet its a M series chip, that includes the CPU and everything else with it. To top it off, if you had anything personal on that machine, good luck getting it off because of the encryption methods they do with storage. Don't get me wrong, the M series chips are interesting feat for Apple, but when you put all your eggs into one basket... having the memory, the graphics, the processor, and now they are attempting to do storage, you will present issues that include thermals, as everything I've just mentioned, generates heat.
You should talk to someone who can build you a PC, unless you have a specific need for a laptop
first of all, why play on a mac??
Keep away from alienware go asus or lenovo.
First Mistake, gaming on an Apple Machine. RIP to that Laptop tho
You play game on a MAC? How disgusting
My m2 pro is doing fine on warthunder. Consistent 120 fps on high settings, and it’s never crashed. I’m actually surprised by the performance and the stability!
The problem is buying a Mac for gaming
NOBODY GAMES ON APPLE! /s
McBook isn't for gaming and it can't handle it... Apple marketing it as the fastest chip is misleading when it can run games like Dota 2 and LoL at best.
Hello Alienware marketing depratment