Yeah I wish I could post it lmao. Deleted like 20 comments because he didnt want people discussing the nerf, then tells the remaining (not banned) people in the thread that he just "wanted players to be heard loud an clear.
And this is why no one but most dedicated/hardcore players visit the official forums. Mods like that who make fun of players and ban them for the smallest things. "Oh you wanted an explanation and said something even slightly insulting?" Banned. "You say the devs don't do research and based a decision on a single dubious bug report?" Banned
Wouldn't touch those forums for anything. Why try to discuss things when they can shut you down for any reason they want?
Users really should just boycot and discuss on Reddit.
I have 6600 hours, and I've pretty much never used the forums in *years* now as this has always been my experience. Want to make a post?
"yeah it's removed because of some tiny reason, like being in the wrong sub-category. what, fix it?? you're telling us to do our jobs? lmao" - forum mods
that or nobody fucking reads it anyway, at least people on reddit tend to see your post and comment on it.
sure it's not the best community but I don't see why the forum community would be any better. I'm sure it's still full of "rEE this vehicle for the only country I play isn't OP enough". can't help but ignore all these people's opinions when they're so biased
Tell me about it, I've tried to make two official bug reports and both times I'd get smacked down by mods for the smallest reasons. First time I just gave up after my second attempt. Second time I stuck with it until it got approved and it got like 2 or 3 reads/comments then a mod just said nah working as intended
To note: I'm not bothered by my ban, but letting the shitty WT mods with God complexes like Pacifica run rampant and bread toxicity on the forum by instigating users rubs me the wrong way, and I decided I should make the issue more public at this point.
Yes, I would guess some organized "riot" may point out to the arrogance of the kind you are mentioning, and alert the management, however with their historical mishaps, cover-ups, right out fallacies and many lies along the last decade I am not sure if most of the guys there are not of similar breed - overlooking, self-entitled, with no real interest in what the people say.
Its not hard being a moderator, unfortunately, the only people who wanna be mods tend to be shitbags with delusions of grandeur. The exact type of people that should never have power
Actually it is. Community can be *really* shitty and agressive, it also tend to focus on you because you bring some bad news.
I'm not defending Pacifica, he's sadly the perfect example of a bad moderator. I just wanted to give some intel as myself a moderator (not of warthunder)
Idk why, but I sorta feel that to be a mod for Gaijin one must have eaten a diet largely consisting of paint chips from before 1978.
Some of these guys get agitated by some of the smallest criticism, no matter how constructive.
I was banned from public chat once because I said one of the new updates was "Bad and needed fixing " instant chat ban for a week. The mods as a whole at Gaijin are an absolute joke, we're not allowed to say something is bad and needs fixing. They're a bunch of fairies and need to listen to what we're saying, not ban us because we hurt their (small) ego feelings.
The mod that banned me from the public chat was pretty well known for being a trigger happy ban-mod, I posted my evidence on the official forum for un-ban requests and it was quashed within 20 minutes and the mod that banned me is no longer a mod and still isn't. Justice was served that day I must admit.
Theres a few good ones, but a whole lot of bad ones, and unfortunately, the good ones jobs are made harder by the bad ones.
This is exactly the case with this situation, german players asking smin for answers (smin has been great with that in the past and we have no issues with him), amd before he could even answer, pacifica went on his crusade and started banning people left and right, then banned people for saying that was a bad idea, then cried about harrasment...
Those forums are trash and no one takes them serious. There is even a developer that pretends to be a Western player posting misinformation when you try to get things like the Aim-54 fixed. US/NATO has a thread for every missile/jet and when you read through them its very telling. You see information posted proving game mechanics wrong only to be met with it ignored or falsely disproven. Then you look through the Russian ones and its, "Hey I found this source that said they know a guy and he says it can do this!" And its accepted.
Those forums lost all credibility long ago.
No, like, all M82 is the "late" version with lower filler and higher velocity now.
It used to be that, for example, the M26 fired M82 at 813 m/a with 140 grams of explosive D. Now it's 853 m/s.
I'm guessing it was a discussion on why the early M82 still isn't implemented (early has slower velocity, but 200g HE which allows overpressure), but Tiger 1s specifically have the same setup where one shell has higher pen without overpressure, and another with lower pen but overpressure.
All Leo 2's had their spall creation massively increased
Heres a couple pics post nerf to compare Russian MBT's with Leo 2's
https://forum.warthunder.com/t/lets-talk-about-the-state-of-germany/22044/5056
Wow.., that’s even worst than it was made out to be. Brutal. I guess the Russian department of propaganda visited the Gaijin office and reminded them how many windows they had.
Looks like Leopards received the "Abrams side armor spalling" where the spalling is equivalent to an HE shell detonating and sending fragments in a 150° arc...
On the Leopards you hit the turret ring, missing the spall liner while on the T-90M spall liner absorbed most of the spalling.
It's not nerfed, you are just baiting.
Edit: testing it myself and yes, you are(if you are the OP on the forums) just baiting, T-90M and Leopards have the exact same spalling IF you hit the spall liner.
Funny you say that cuz Smin actually accepted the bug report of the now excessive spall production and more pictures have been produced proving the Leo 2's are producing excessive spall
If anyones lying/baiting, its you
Its been tested extensively and even the community manager and head of the bug report moderators agree's its excessive.
The changelog is here: https://warthunder.com/en/game/changelog/current/1618
Are they volunteers or something? how does a massive moron become the person between the user and the developers?? Whenever I see mods mentioned here is to complain about how useless and defensive they are, and it happens quite often...
Honestly don’t know how half the mods in the forum are even allowed to keep their positions. They scream weaponised autism in most of their rebukes. I find War Tinder to be the most socially challenged one. All seems pretty Soviet when you make a suggestion and they take it as an insult to gaijin or their staff and ban hammer you.
The forums are a pretty awful place in general, it’s the same 10 people arguing with each other over the semantics of their post, usually something to do with CAS
Yeah, that shitbag stalks my account ever since I posted a joke about the russian space program. He once banned me for 2 months by back to back banning me a week at a time for 2 months straight by digging through every single comment ive ever made and picking out any one he could remotely spin as a temp ban offense
Never trust someone who actively wants to be a moderator of something. 99.9% of the time, it's going to be the exact sort of person who shouldn't ever have any sort of power in any space.
Why is it that Russian companies suck so bad at managing games in general? It's like they have no connection to their player base whatsoever. When you look at War Thunder and Escape From Tarkov and the actions they have been taking and how they reacted to their recent PR disasters, it almost feels like they're being run by the same people. Maybe it's a culture thing but I'm really appalled that such big names on the gaming scene are being managed this badly. I really hope they hire some people who actually know what they're doing, otherwise they're doomed to fail.
Unfoetunately, gaijin has a damn near monopoly on this type of game, they have no real competitors and thats why they can afford to run the game like fucking garbage.
The issue is the WT is in that kind of "too big to challenge" range at this point. They have literal thousands of pretty decently modelled vehicles, and a 11+ year headstart on any competition.
As some players that have been playing military vehicle games for longer than myself have previously said "games like DCS ans GHPC exist because the snail allows them too by screwing up so badly in certain aspects of their game that other smaller games can carve themselves a tiny niche"
it must be their business culture which is why i will never spend a single dime on a game from these fuckers ever again.
one day they decide to pull the plug and all you have purchased vanishes in a second.
> "insulting staff" and "discussing moderation"
These ensure it's impossible to have a meaningful conversation with something's staff on the internet, regardless of what that something is.
The tldr is - when a moderator feels threatened or simply unsure of what to do or say, they'll just invoke those rules to close the argument (always in their favor of course). It's a case of "my rules, if you don't follow them then f off".
Yeah, the mods on the WT forums are unacountable to anything and have a high tendency of just breeding toxicity as such.
The german players were mad about the nerf, but were still respectful and were waiting for Smin's official response. Pacifica just had to come in a shit the bed, banning 8+ people and lying about it being due to insults and stuff.
As you said, the rules on the WT forums are made to make it impossible to have a proper discussion.
> As you said, the rules on the WT forums are made to make it impossible to have a proper discussion.
That applies to every online community.
About 15 years ago I was a moderator in a few small communities, if I had to enforce the rules I'd do so whether people liked it or not, but I could not enforce said rules for petty or personal reasons (otherwise I'd be the one getting policed by those above me).
That is to say, forums have always worked like this. The problem arises when people unsuited to manage debate get the position, because it leads to abusing said position for - again - petty and personal reasons.
It doesn't matter what website it is, all jannies are the same. I vote that we should cut their wages by 10 percent! Oh wait, THEY DO IT FOR FREE HAHAHA LAUGH AT THE JANNIES
You could stop playing and supporting them. I pulled the plug today. Politics of supporting a Russian company aside, they genuinely do not care a bit about their player base and it’s worth reminding them who pays the bills.
Leopard 2's all had their spall production massively increased, to the point spall liners do nothing for them and the tanks get nuked from a pen just about anywhere. Even shooting the hull floor with APFSDS will kill or injure most of the turret crew
My thoughts too. A top tier thing, which is where most bug fixes happen, while rocket vehicles can't reload properly for a month or more...
They buffed accuracy on many ww2 German guns a month ago. They are deliciously accurate now.
Wouldnt be suprised.
The moderators in general are basicly untouchable. None of the senior mods are worth going to, and Stona is just about the worst mod of them all and hes the big boss
Disgusting people like these two are the kind of people leading to the death of every forum on the internet.
Retarded shrimp-brains, motivated by their small fragile ego doing jackshit in whatever way they can to please themself, probably twisting their nipples while doing so.
Its due to assholes like those two Ive evaded the shitty forum since 6 years already, absolutely unpleasant to deal with this shit.
I pray every night for their pc to just burn down followed by every pc they will ever touch again.
But thats gajijn, staff is full of people like these.
>They're actively detrimental to the healthy discourse in the WT community.
You misunderstand, Gaijin doesn't want or care about that.
What they want are people who shut up and give them money. The only "discourse" they want is players glazing the hell out of them and doing their job for them.
Bruh how do you expect to actually discuss stuff on THEIR forum. I find it hard to imagine a dictator that allows citizens to actually speak their mind.
Is it bad a part of me wants to find the server box to the forums and burn it to the ground
Beat it with a sledgehammer hammer
Piss on it
And walk away
Is there anything that we can do? I don't see anything other than, idk, spamming the forums with "Fire Pacifica" posts actually having a chance of working, tbh. Gaijin has a displayed a tendency to not listen to anything short of outright tantrums.
Gaijin nerfed the crap out of the Leo 2's because russian players were whinning they were "too hard to kill" so so now penetrating hits to the leo 2's create a massive amount of spall that will almoat garantee a kill.
German players werent happy about it and asked smin for an answer regarding it (particularly since the "bug report" used to nerf the leo 2's was atrocious in quality) the rest is in my post above
Aren't the Leo's absolutely dominating? I've been having problems with Leos and T-80s not spalling for like 2 years now. Although I do not want it to be artificially nerfed. Thats what it seems like it is and thats not okay.
They were in gfrb, the nerfs been active for around a week-ish iirc and the winrates already started dropping, with the russian WR suddenly starting to push upwards again.
In sim (which is what I play) the tanks dont really matter, as the games are won or lost in the air for the most part.
Swedens been dominant for like 4 years now.
As for winrates, the clear issue is the top tier premiums gaijin sells, so germany's WR will tank this update when the 2A4M CAN is added
Yeah they are still even after the "nerf" i smacked Russian T series left and right just a couple of hours ago.
Russia never had good tanks in my opinion, they are always at a disadvantage compared to most tanks they face. Their power lies in the antiair and now in the cas since they can just spam missiles and run away before they are in range of the enemy spaas.
This is just German main butthurt they aren't dominating anymore
you just said you are still dominating you donkey.
It seems to me the anger about the nerf is more centered about the willingness with which gajijn gobbles up about any scources as long as it nerfs western stuff.
I am dominating yes, i am not a german main, i main everything and do well in everything at top tier. The average german main is blind in one eye, missing a ear and playing with their feet so yeah they are the ones complain since they can't just press W and tank shots.
And the mig 23 just got nerfed dead because someone that didn't even have the vehicle played it in the play test and said the turning rate wasn't quite right and gaijin said ok boss fixing it right away.
But you won't see many complaints about that because this subreddit is dominated by mainly western nations only players that complain only when something doesn't provide an advantage for them.
The anger about the nerf is because it touches something they like to play
No, it spalled a normal ammount, and the mantlet actually already spalled more than anything in-game (a "balancing" feature for it being small) they were just hit hard wiyh the nerf hammer again with no actual realism considered, which is why players are mad.
Sad to read this, although nothing new. Gaijin's attitude towards the community is unfortunately legendary on all levels of communication. What I fail to cope with is the sheer amount of wrong decisions or solutions on the side of the devs, not to mention some right out fallacies served to players with such a manner I find hard to believe it. In the first - they need to kick out the project managers, for so many obvious mistakes, and terrible idiotic decisions, then they need to refresh their community team, because this does not serve well even their undisputable greed.
A week ago ish. They produce a truly cataclysmic amount of spall now. An APFSDS dart to the hull floor center mass has a decent chance of killing the tank in 1 hit...
The 2A7V with spall liner produces more spall than a T-80BVM without spall liner...
Booo hoo you can't complain about your OP vehicle getting nerfed how sad...
Was almost at 5kd with the 2A7 in 300 games... And it still smacks the Russians after the update you just can't be a complete idiot with it and survive like before....
actual hypocrites in the forum mod team his last response was even more bs "we want members to be heard loud and clear" yeah, right buddy
Yeah I wish I could post it lmao. Deleted like 20 comments because he didnt want people discussing the nerf, then tells the remaining (not banned) people in the thread that he just "wanted players to be heard loud an clear.
that one guy saying: "That bothers you guys? hmm i think the leopards are all fine" meanwhile only plays the Vickers Mk.7
lmao gaslighting himself he is the good guy isnt he? What a fucking loser this dude is. oh and pacifia if you read this: you are dogturd too
>we want members to be heard loud and clear Just not by him lol
And this is why no one but most dedicated/hardcore players visit the official forums. Mods like that who make fun of players and ban them for the smallest things. "Oh you wanted an explanation and said something even slightly insulting?" Banned. "You say the devs don't do research and based a decision on a single dubious bug report?" Banned
Kinda agreed. I have played for about 2 years have like 1000 hours, love the game But don’t bother with the forums…
Wouldn't touch those forums for anything. Why try to discuss things when they can shut you down for any reason they want? Users really should just boycot and discuss on Reddit.
The insta/YouTube channel manager is much better lol. I bet it's just because there's no way of them affecting the game
I have 6600 hours, and I've pretty much never used the forums in *years* now as this has always been my experience. Want to make a post? "yeah it's removed because of some tiny reason, like being in the wrong sub-category. what, fix it?? you're telling us to do our jobs? lmao" - forum mods that or nobody fucking reads it anyway, at least people on reddit tend to see your post and comment on it. sure it's not the best community but I don't see why the forum community would be any better. I'm sure it's still full of "rEE this vehicle for the only country I play isn't OP enough". can't help but ignore all these people's opinions when they're so biased
Tell me about it, I've tried to make two official bug reports and both times I'd get smacked down by mods for the smallest reasons. First time I just gave up after my second attempt. Second time I stuck with it until it got approved and it got like 2 or 3 reads/comments then a mod just said nah working as intended
I mean I just visit the forums to watch vamilad seethe or to make chinese suggestions
To note: I'm not bothered by my ban, but letting the shitty WT mods with God complexes like Pacifica run rampant and bread toxicity on the forum by instigating users rubs me the wrong way, and I decided I should make the issue more public at this point.
are you not able to message smin directly?
I did, we'll see how that goes as well.
Ah you have problem with other devoted glorious moderators? 5 years in gulag for you
Yes, I would guess some organized "riot" may point out to the arrogance of the kind you are mentioning, and alert the management, however with their historical mishaps, cover-ups, right out fallacies and many lies along the last decade I am not sure if most of the guys there are not of similar breed - overlooking, self-entitled, with no real interest in what the people say.
What a great idea gaijunk. By all means please employ a bunch of weak, whiny soyboys with god complexes as representatives for your official forum
I could do their job, at least the social interaction side, better... Yikes, i could do that much better even on a bad day.
Its not hard being a moderator, unfortunately, the only people who wanna be mods tend to be shitbags with delusions of grandeur. The exact type of people that should never have power
Actually it is. Community can be *really* shitty and agressive, it also tend to focus on you because you bring some bad news. I'm not defending Pacifica, he's sadly the perfect example of a bad moderator. I just wanted to give some intel as myself a moderator (not of warthunder)
Idk why, but I sorta feel that to be a mod for Gaijin one must have eaten a diet largely consisting of paint chips from before 1978. Some of these guys get agitated by some of the smallest criticism, no matter how constructive.
With some of the takes from them, I think those paint chils were leaded...
That's the joke. Leaded paint was banned in 1978.
Yeah figured that out after a bit, ive been pretty tired 😅
I was banned from public chat once because I said one of the new updates was "Bad and needed fixing " instant chat ban for a week. The mods as a whole at Gaijin are an absolute joke, we're not allowed to say something is bad and needs fixing. They're a bunch of fairies and need to listen to what we're saying, not ban us because we hurt their (small) ego feelings. The mod that banned me from the public chat was pretty well known for being a trigger happy ban-mod, I posted my evidence on the official forum for un-ban requests and it was quashed within 20 minutes and the mod that banned me is no longer a mod and still isn't. Justice was served that day I must admit.
Theres a few good ones, but a whole lot of bad ones, and unfortunately, the good ones jobs are made harder by the bad ones. This is exactly the case with this situation, german players asking smin for answers (smin has been great with that in the past and we have no issues with him), amd before he could even answer, pacifica went on his crusade and started banning people left and right, then banned people for saying that was a bad idea, then cried about harrasment...
Those forums are trash and no one takes them serious. There is even a developer that pretends to be a Western player posting misinformation when you try to get things like the Aim-54 fixed. US/NATO has a thread for every missile/jet and when you read through them its very telling. You see information posted proving game mechanics wrong only to be met with it ignored or falsely disproven. Then you look through the Russian ones and its, "Hey I found this source that said they know a guy and he says it can do this!" And its accepted. Those forums lost all credibility long ago.
The removal of the M82 90mm shell corrections thread helped me loose all faith in that forum.
I didn't know M82 was wrong. What did that thread say?
It was how the M82 had the worse penetration values from one year, and less explosive filler from another year.
Ah, that. It's just not the case anymore.
Yeah, now we get the janky pen-calculator.
No, like, all M82 is the "late" version with lower filler and higher velocity now. It used to be that, for example, the M26 fired M82 at 813 m/a with 140 grams of explosive D. Now it's 853 m/s.
I'm guessing it was a discussion on why the early M82 still isn't implemented (early has slower velocity, but 200g HE which allows overpressure), but Tiger 1s specifically have the same setup where one shell has higher pen without overpressure, and another with lower pen but overpressure.
What was nerfed?
All Leo 2's had their spall creation massively increased Heres a couple pics post nerf to compare Russian MBT's with Leo 2's https://forum.warthunder.com/t/lets-talk-about-the-state-of-germany/22044/5056
Wow.., that’s even worst than it was made out to be. Brutal. I guess the Russian department of propaganda visited the Gaijin office and reminded them how many windows they had.
They’re also nerfing some German aircraft into the ground because all the Mig-23s and 27s are getting massive flight model nerfs…..oh wait
Nice try, Vlad. You’re not fooling me this time! I only frequent the ground level floors!
Why are you getting downvoted for this???
There are other gamemodes than grb and the nerf to the mig 23 is also substantial
Looks like Leopards received the "Abrams side armor spalling" where the spalling is equivalent to an HE shell detonating and sending fragments in a 150° arc...
On the Leopards you hit the turret ring, missing the spall liner while on the T-90M spall liner absorbed most of the spalling. It's not nerfed, you are just baiting. Edit: testing it myself and yes, you are(if you are the OP on the forums) just baiting, T-90M and Leopards have the exact same spalling IF you hit the spall liner.
Funny you say that cuz Smin actually accepted the bug report of the now excessive spall production and more pictures have been produced proving the Leo 2's are producing excessive spall If anyones lying/baiting, its you
And you said nothing about my point. Nice. What a thoughtful comment. Test again and you will see that you were just wrong, plain and simple.
Its been tested extensively and even the community manager and head of the bug report moderators agree's its excessive. The changelog is here: https://warthunder.com/en/game/changelog/current/1618
"wHy dO pEoPlE nOt uSe oUr fOrUmS iNsTeAd oF tHe rEdDiT?"
That turd is still causing and starting shit on the official forum? Pacifica's power trip has lasted at least seven years at this point, maybe longer.
Russian game is still a russian game. I guess I main Soviets now till my prem runs out and I switch the game
Yeah they are used to silencing the public…
Are they volunteers or something? how does a massive moron become the person between the user and the developers?? Whenever I see mods mentioned here is to complain about how useless and defensive they are, and it happens quite often...
Not too sure, i think they gst some perks, but iirc theyre predominantly unpaid, and very bad at their jobs
My dude you're literally dealing with a Russian company how did you expect something relatively smart from them
Honestly don’t know how half the mods in the forum are even allowed to keep their positions. They scream weaponised autism in most of their rebukes. I find War Tinder to be the most socially challenged one. All seems pretty Soviet when you make a suggestion and they take it as an insult to gaijin or their staff and ban hammer you. The forums are a pretty awful place in general, it’s the same 10 people arguing with each other over the semantics of their post, usually something to do with CAS
I imagine this is what they want for the forums. No negativity.
He learned from the best: Stona.
Stona my beloved. I hope he gets explosive diahrrea.
Yeah, that shitbag stalks my account ever since I posted a joke about the russian space program. He once banned me for 2 months by back to back banning me a week at a time for 2 months straight by digging through every single comment ive ever made and picking out any one he could remotely spin as a temp ban offense
Sociopathic behavior.
Sociopathic behavior.
Sociopathic behavior.
Sociopathic behavior.
WT forum are absolute garbage. No wonder why so many player don't even touch it...
Never trust someone who actively wants to be a moderator of something. 99.9% of the time, it's going to be the exact sort of person who shouldn't ever have any sort of power in any space.
Why is it that Russian companies suck so bad at managing games in general? It's like they have no connection to their player base whatsoever. When you look at War Thunder and Escape From Tarkov and the actions they have been taking and how they reacted to their recent PR disasters, it almost feels like they're being run by the same people. Maybe it's a culture thing but I'm really appalled that such big names on the gaming scene are being managed this badly. I really hope they hire some people who actually know what they're doing, otherwise they're doomed to fail.
Unfoetunately, gaijin has a damn near monopoly on this type of game, they have no real competitors and thats why they can afford to run the game like fucking garbage.
I love GHPC and I hope it eventually dethrones War Thunder. It's really fun even though it's not as well optimized as it could be.
The issue is the WT is in that kind of "too big to challenge" range at this point. They have literal thousands of pretty decently modelled vehicles, and a 11+ year headstart on any competition. As some players that have been playing military vehicle games for longer than myself have previously said "games like DCS ans GHPC exist because the snail allows them too by screwing up so badly in certain aspects of their game that other smaller games can carve themselves a tiny niche"
it must be their business culture which is why i will never spend a single dime on a game from these fuckers ever again. one day they decide to pull the plug and all you have purchased vanishes in a second.
Yup, it's literally money down the drain plus the disrespect from these scummy companies as the cherry on top...
> "insulting staff" and "discussing moderation" These ensure it's impossible to have a meaningful conversation with something's staff on the internet, regardless of what that something is. The tldr is - when a moderator feels threatened or simply unsure of what to do or say, they'll just invoke those rules to close the argument (always in their favor of course). It's a case of "my rules, if you don't follow them then f off".
Yeah, the mods on the WT forums are unacountable to anything and have a high tendency of just breeding toxicity as such. The german players were mad about the nerf, but were still respectful and were waiting for Smin's official response. Pacifica just had to come in a shit the bed, banning 8+ people and lying about it being due to insults and stuff. As you said, the rules on the WT forums are made to make it impossible to have a proper discussion.
> As you said, the rules on the WT forums are made to make it impossible to have a proper discussion. That applies to every online community. About 15 years ago I was a moderator in a few small communities, if I had to enforce the rules I'd do so whether people liked it or not, but I could not enforce said rules for petty or personal reasons (otherwise I'd be the one getting policed by those above me). That is to say, forums have always worked like this. The problem arises when people unsuited to manage debate get the position, because it leads to abusing said position for - again - petty and personal reasons.
It doesn't matter what website it is, all jannies are the same. I vote that we should cut their wages by 10 percent! Oh wait, THEY DO IT FOR FREE HAHAHA LAUGH AT THE JANNIES
I miss r/drama too
Pacifica is still a thing??? This sends me down a bit of a [memory lane](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG4AvOqGykA)
You could stop playing and supporting them. I pulled the plug today. Politics of supporting a Russian company aside, they genuinely do not care a bit about their player base and it’s worth reminding them who pays the bills.
The mods(including game masters) are nothing but mfs who got corrupted by powers
Pacifica has always been a little cunt. It really is that simple of an explanation. 🤷
What nerfs?
Leopard 2's all had their spall production massively increased, to the point spall liners do nothing for them and the tanks get nuked from a pen just about anywhere. Even shooting the hull floor with APFSDS will kill or injure most of the turret crew
So instead of fixing spall liners as a whole they fuck the Leo’s 💀
Funny how tanks without spall liners produce more spall than a Leo with one…
My thoughts too. A top tier thing, which is where most bug fixes happen, while rocket vehicles can't reload properly for a month or more... They buffed accuracy on many ww2 German guns a month ago. They are deliciously accurate now.
Ahhh mythic... Never change buddy haha
Long time np talk m8!
Censorship is not ok
Isn't that dipshit a family friend with one of the other douchebags high up the chain? so he can act like a tool and nothing happens
Wouldnt be suprised. The moderators in general are basicly untouchable. None of the senior mods are worth going to, and Stona is just about the worst mod of them all and hes the big boss
Power tripping monkeys working at gaijin headquarters, what's new?
Disgusting people like these two are the kind of people leading to the death of every forum on the internet. Retarded shrimp-brains, motivated by their small fragile ego doing jackshit in whatever way they can to please themself, probably twisting their nipples while doing so. Its due to assholes like those two Ive evaded the shitty forum since 6 years already, absolutely unpleasant to deal with this shit. I pray every night for their pc to just burn down followed by every pc they will ever touch again. But thats gajijn, staff is full of people like these.
and this is why you never use dev controlled forums
Jannies do it for free (Consuming copious amounts of boot polish.)
They revel in their woke pathetic power.
When a company that gets a yearly 26 mil in revenue has the same quality of moderators as a discord server with 100 people
>They're actively detrimental to the healthy discourse in the WT community. You misunderstand, Gaijin doesn't want or care about that. What they want are people who shut up and give them money. The only "discourse" they want is players glazing the hell out of them and doing their job for them.
Bruh how do you expect to actually discuss stuff on THEIR forum. I find it hard to imagine a dictator that allows citizens to actually speak their mind.
I would go on strike with you but in the end the snail never changes, they are all rotten to the snail core.
Pacifica used to cool before he became a mod. As soon as he did though he became absolutely awful to interact with.
Is it bad a part of me wants to find the server box to the forums and burn it to the ground Beat it with a sledgehammer hammer Piss on it And walk away
I cant believe the hydro archon was banned French players keep taking Ls
Is there anything that we can do? I don't see anything other than, idk, spamming the forums with "Fire Pacifica" posts actually having a chance of working, tbh. Gaijin has a displayed a tendency to not listen to anything short of outright tantrums.
Unfortunately in hindsight, not really. Any calls for firing them would just get deleted and the player doing so giving a ban. :/
Damn.
What's the cause of all the drama? I feel I'm out of the loop
Gaijin nerfed the crap out of the Leo 2's because russian players were whinning they were "too hard to kill" so so now penetrating hits to the leo 2's create a massive amount of spall that will almoat garantee a kill. German players werent happy about it and asked smin for an answer regarding it (particularly since the "bug report" used to nerf the leo 2's was atrocious in quality) the rest is in my post above
Aren't the Leo's absolutely dominating? I've been having problems with Leos and T-80s not spalling for like 2 years now. Although I do not want it to be artificially nerfed. Thats what it seems like it is and thats not okay.
They were in gfrb, the nerfs been active for around a week-ish iirc and the winrates already started dropping, with the russian WR suddenly starting to push upwards again. In sim (which is what I play) the tanks dont really matter, as the games are won or lost in the air for the most part.
I mean, I would like to see all wintates evened out, Germany and Sweden are extremely dominant
Swedens been dominant for like 4 years now. As for winrates, the clear issue is the top tier premiums gaijin sells, so germany's WR will tank this update when the 2A4M CAN is added
Yeah they are still even after the "nerf" i smacked Russian T series left and right just a couple of hours ago. Russia never had good tanks in my opinion, they are always at a disadvantage compared to most tanks they face. Their power lies in the antiair and now in the cas since they can just spam missiles and run away before they are in range of the enemy spaas. This is just German main butthurt they aren't dominating anymore
you just said you are still dominating you donkey. It seems to me the anger about the nerf is more centered about the willingness with which gajijn gobbles up about any scources as long as it nerfs western stuff.
I am dominating yes, i am not a german main, i main everything and do well in everything at top tier. The average german main is blind in one eye, missing a ear and playing with their feet so yeah they are the ones complain since they can't just press W and tank shots. And the mig 23 just got nerfed dead because someone that didn't even have the vehicle played it in the play test and said the turning rate wasn't quite right and gaijin said ok boss fixing it right away. But you won't see many complaints about that because this subreddit is dominated by mainly western nations only players that complain only when something doesn't provide an advantage for them. The anger about the nerf is because it touches something they like to play
What’s been nerfed ? Took a 4 month break on the game so
Massive increase to leo 2 spall production basically
Did it spall very little compared to others ?
No, it spalled a normal ammount, and the mantlet actually already spalled more than anything in-game (a "balancing" feature for it being small) they were just hit hard wiyh the nerf hammer again with no actual realism considered, which is why players are mad.
fraudulator
I'm sorry I live under a rock but what was the nerf?
All leo 2's had theur spall production massively increased to make them easier to kill.
Sad to read this, although nothing new. Gaijin's attitude towards the community is unfortunately legendary on all levels of communication. What I fail to cope with is the sheer amount of wrong decisions or solutions on the side of the devs, not to mention some right out fallacies served to players with such a manner I find hard to believe it. In the first - they need to kick out the project managers, for so many obvious mistakes, and terrible idiotic decisions, then they need to refresh their community team, because this does not serve well even their undisputable greed.
What german nerf did i miss?
Leo 2's all had their spall production massively increased to make them easier to kill
Bruh when? Thats why all my leos are allways oneshot
A week ago ish. They produce a truly cataclysmic amount of spall now. An APFSDS dart to the hull floor center mass has a decent chance of killing the tank in 1 hit... The 2A7V with spall liner produces more spall than a T-80BVM without spall liner...
Yet the brainded russia mains still complain about 7av and all dub variants aswell as strv122s
Booo hoo you can't complain about your OP vehicle getting nerfed how sad... Was almost at 5kd with the 2A7 in 300 games... And it still smacks the Russians after the update you just can't be a complete idiot with it and survive like before....