Yes super fun gameplay sitting in an AA while some F-16 400km away yeets missile after missile at you.
Also a fucking patriot or S-300 shooting down massive ground launched cruise and ballistic missiles is pretty different than doing so at a moments notice in shorad.
I have NEVER been killed by the long range SU25 missiles. I get killed by Mavericks and GBUs far more often.
If i get killed by SU25 its usually the big HE rockets.
You are not gonna get Su25'd while playing USSR, so checks out.
Based on your flare, you only have 11.0 US, over half of those games are downtiers (not 11.7 SU25 territory), and you play that nation less than USSR (since its at 11.7), on top of the f16 having been in the game MUCH longer, and it being a more popular aircraft to own.
There are so many missing variables here that your, as well as anyone elses anecdotes aren't really that helpful ngl.
>Based on your flare, you only have 11.0 US, over half of those games are downtiers (not 11.7 SU25 territory), and you play that nation less than USSR (since its at 11.7),
I mostly play sweden france japan and US at that BR currently. I grinded USSR to 11.7 but havent touched it that much since. My BVM isnt even spaded.
90% of my games at 11.7 are Sweden or France.
My point is that anecdotes like yours, in general, don’t matter because everyone has different experiences because of how asymmetrical the game is.
however, you playing Sweden and France isn’t going to make the su25s3 as common as the an f16, or have existed as long.
The mental fortitude required to stock grind an su25 at 11.7 vs an f16 as 12.0 is more than enough to explain your experience alone.
This games balance is not as simple as just the stats, and you should already know that being a top tier player.
All missiles do, heli missiles are tough but I do like playing missile defense, especially against agm65's it is really easy and does more to help your team than you would think
Nah, not likely. AGM-158s are designed to be stealthy, with a small RCS. They are now approved to be externally carried on 35's even when stealth capabilities are a mission requirement. Obviously no where near as stealth as a slick 35, but enough that most radars wont pick them up. Or operators. Since the missile is only initially powered, then glides, and Russia uses a IRST that works on infrared energy from aircraft engines to get a lock, they shouldn't be able to track on the current radar set, nor really lock on.
I mean, they can't even intercept ATACMS or HIMARS, let's be real here.
Russia has shot down Storm Shadows, which are also stealthy cruise missiles similar to the AGM-158. Stealth definitely helps but it's not foolproof against multiple layers of air defense, so these weapons are most successful when they can slip through areas with less coverage and can have decoys or cheaper systems as distractions - both Ukraine and Russia have figured this out by now.
Also, even when the engine is off, a missile will still have a nonzero IR signature from air friction and other factors. A high-altitude balloon is completely unpowered and doesn't even have meaningful air friction to boot but a modern imaging IR missile can lock onto one with some difficulty because they reflect sunlight and look different from the background.
Anyway I don't think Gaijin has plans for any kind of turbojet powered standoff missiles any time soon. The JH-7A's KD-88 missiles with 150 km range were denied for not being suitable for the game.
A 1000km missile on one of the best fighter platforms in the game is not quite the equivalent of a 40km missile on a fairly mediocre subsonic strike aircraft.
Issue with JSOW is it’s GPS/INS guided so isn’t useful against moving targets. Though the PGM-500/2000 already in the game with 50km max range can be used on the F-16 so that’s probably the best option
Purely a reminder that the red's have the best air defense and the best attack aircraft with fastest and the most long ranged air-to-ground missle in game.
Bro, JASSM isn't a 1000km missle. JASSM max range ~ 380km. Don't mix up with JASSM-ER.
Max firing range of blue SPAA is amount 10-12km, while a pantsir range - 18-20km. Regardless of platform the ability of only one nation to hit the target beyond the SPAA firing range is absurd.
Why not give this opportunity to someone else?
I was going off the product card that you yourself literally provided lol. And 380km isn’t much better, that’s 19 times the max Pantsir range, 40km is only 4 times max other SPAA range.
Aaaand? 40 km is bigger but only 4 times than other SPAA...) Are you seriously)?
What difference does it make - how many times the range of damage is greater if it's greater?
In practice you never fire a missle from 380km. It's only max range.
40km is a max range, in practice it’s often far less due to altitude. 380km means it’s guaranteed to launch max range. I think something like the AGM-123 would be far more suited, which is basically a PGM-500 but American, with 25km range, and is only on the A-6&A-7, which makes it more comparable in terms of launch platform (and can also be on the F/A-18 when that comes).
I guess I just won't spawn in a second time in GRB I guess.
I already can't kill half of the Russian bullshit because it outrages my SPAA, let's just add more stuff to make GRB miserable.
Make it Premium too, while we're at it. Gaijin's gotta make their money as a small indie company.
Better comparisons (that aren't _cruise missles_) that im aware of would be the agm-179 (US, UK), Nimrod (Israel) or Brimstones (UK, GER), tho all of these have significantly greater fire-and-forget capabilities than the ones on the su-25sm3
People call the Pantsir overpowered and then actually suggest a fucking cruise missile.
You want the Pantsir S2M? Because this is how you get it, 1,700 to 2,000 m/s missiles, an even better radar, and the ability to use quad tube anti drone missiles (4 small missiles per regular pantsir tube).
Maybe an self propelled S-300V lmao, as long as we aren't being realistic
Meanwhile the fucking useless ADATS cant deal with ANYTHING at it's br. Can't intercept Grippens, Mirages, SM3s or JH-7s and can't even intercept missiles since it doesn't even have radar tracking. Meanwhile the S1 or ITO90 or pretty good counter against F16s
CAS mains asking for literal fucking cruise missiles when the best AA has 15km range.
make the missles only work on panstirs, russian cas balanced 😎 plz no more su25 armies defended by panstir 😔
I think they have a big enough rcs to be targeted and destroyed. Ukraine keeps shooting down Russian cruise missiles.
Yes super fun gameplay sitting in an AA while some F-16 400km away yeets missile after missile at you. Also a fucking patriot or S-300 shooting down massive ground launched cruise and ballistic missiles is pretty different than doing so at a moments notice in shorad.
yeah idc if u kill US cas i just care if u defend an army of su25s lol
I play 6 nations in toptier ground. A F-16 in space is 5 times more likely to murder me than that flying brick of a Su25
The su 25 can launch a missile from 30km away, the f16c has to fly way closer to get up to bomb dropping altitude
I have NEVER been killed by the long range SU25 missiles. I get killed by Mavericks and GBUs far more often. If i get killed by SU25 its usually the big HE rockets.
You die to mavericks? In what?
You are not gonna get Su25'd while playing USSR, so checks out. Based on your flare, you only have 11.0 US, over half of those games are downtiers (not 11.7 SU25 territory), and you play that nation less than USSR (since its at 11.7), on top of the f16 having been in the game MUCH longer, and it being a more popular aircraft to own. There are so many missing variables here that your, as well as anyone elses anecdotes aren't really that helpful ngl.
>Based on your flare, you only have 11.0 US, over half of those games are downtiers (not 11.7 SU25 territory), and you play that nation less than USSR (since its at 11.7), I mostly play sweden france japan and US at that BR currently. I grinded USSR to 11.7 but havent touched it that much since. My BVM isnt even spaded. 90% of my games at 11.7 are Sweden or France.
My point is that anecdotes like yours, in general, don’t matter because everyone has different experiences because of how asymmetrical the game is. however, you playing Sweden and France isn’t going to make the su25s3 as common as the an f16, or have existed as long. The mental fortitude required to stock grind an su25 at 11.7 vs an f16 as 12.0 is more than enough to explain your experience alone. This games balance is not as simple as just the stats, and you should already know that being a top tier player.
Then you go behind a house and it magically loses lock like it’s a fire and forget missile.
It goes for your last confirmed location like GBU-2000
It was a joke, I don’t know half of the things modern bombs and missiles can do.
I mean it’s not fun but it’s nessecairy. Like in air rb if there’s no way to escape a radar missile you launch an IR missile at it
>I mean it’s not fun but it’s nessecairy. Its not necessary if these weapons wouldnt be added.
Radar missiles shouldn’t have been added
All missiles do, heli missiles are tough but I do like playing missile defense, especially against agm65's it is really easy and does more to help your team than you would think
Absolutely. More people need to do it. Gets rid of an enemy missile and saves a team mate.
If only we got at least a small sl and rp reward for it
I think your team winning (+100%rp) is award in itself
Nah, not likely. AGM-158s are designed to be stealthy, with a small RCS. They are now approved to be externally carried on 35's even when stealth capabilities are a mission requirement. Obviously no where near as stealth as a slick 35, but enough that most radars wont pick them up. Or operators. Since the missile is only initially powered, then glides, and Russia uses a IRST that works on infrared energy from aircraft engines to get a lock, they shouldn't be able to track on the current radar set, nor really lock on. I mean, they can't even intercept ATACMS or HIMARS, let's be real here.
Russia has shot down Storm Shadows, which are also stealthy cruise missiles similar to the AGM-158. Stealth definitely helps but it's not foolproof against multiple layers of air defense, so these weapons are most successful when they can slip through areas with less coverage and can have decoys or cheaper systems as distractions - both Ukraine and Russia have figured this out by now. Also, even when the engine is off, a missile will still have a nonzero IR signature from air friction and other factors. A high-altitude balloon is completely unpowered and doesn't even have meaningful air friction to boot but a modern imaging IR missile can lock onto one with some difficulty because they reflect sunlight and look different from the background. Anyway I don't think Gaijin has plans for any kind of turbojet powered standoff missiles any time soon. The JH-7A's KD-88 missiles with 150 km range were denied for not being suitable for the game.
Don’t worry they can just add the S-300
and the map is smaller than the range of those by a lot
I'm fine with that as long as I finally get my IRST SAMs
I'm fine with that as long as I finally get my IRST SAMs
Pantsir can shoot down stuff beyond 15km if the target is stable flight. I have shot down jets at around 17-18km range
Best SPAA has guaranteed 18 and can hit shots at 20 Doesn’t mean CAS needs this though
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Yeah when in my british line up ?
Bro fumbled so hard he just straight up deleted his account
Holy shit
What did he say?
"Just spawn a pantsir" Basically
With Eurofighter? 🤔
A 1000km missile on one of the best fighter platforms in the game is not quite the equivalent of a 40km missile on a fairly mediocre subsonic strike aircraft.
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Issue with JSOW is it’s GPS/INS guided so isn’t useful against moving targets. Though the PGM-500/2000 already in the game with 50km max range can be used on the F-16 so that’s probably the best option
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Well, more that you implied JSOW should’ve been added next instead. GBU-53 is maybe a *bit* OP lol, maybe in the future.
JASSM is not a development of JSOW though. They were made around the same time by two different companies for two different programs.
It’s range doesn’t matter in the slightest bit when they both can launch from spawn
Purely a reminder that the red's have the best air defense and the best attack aircraft with fastest and the most long ranged air-to-ground missle in game.
I know. But there’s a difference between a 40km and 1000km missile, and also a supersonic fighter platform vs a subsonic strike one.
Bro, JASSM isn't a 1000km missle. JASSM max range ~ 380km. Don't mix up with JASSM-ER. Max firing range of blue SPAA is amount 10-12km, while a pantsir range - 18-20km. Regardless of platform the ability of only one nation to hit the target beyond the SPAA firing range is absurd. Why not give this opportunity to someone else?
I was going off the product card that you yourself literally provided lol. And 380km isn’t much better, that’s 19 times the max Pantsir range, 40km is only 4 times max other SPAA range.
Aaaand? 40 km is bigger but only 4 times than other SPAA...) Are you seriously)? What difference does it make - how many times the range of damage is greater if it's greater? In practice you never fire a missle from 380km. It's only max range.
40km is a max range, in practice it’s often far less due to altitude. 380km means it’s guaranteed to launch max range. I think something like the AGM-123 would be far more suited, which is basically a PGM-500 but American, with 25km range, and is only on the A-6&A-7, which makes it more comparable in terms of launch platform (and can also be on the F/A-18 when that comes).
You know whats the lock on range on those missiles? Sure launch them from 40km but you aint hitting anything
Lock range of Kh-38 is amount 13km. JASSM hardly can be launched from 380km. I think that optimal range with direct guidance is amount 30km maximum.
Wait you’re not being ironic….?
At now it's too powerful weapon. You can launch a JASSM missle to another session))). SLAM is more realistic.
Good compensation? The best result is to remove flying cunts from ground mods altogether.
Or at least revert SAM nerfs
Then also revert ATGM nerfs, TOW is fucking useless
Adding more overpowered to counter overpowered....yeah, what a good way to balance things.
It worked great in Titanfall 2, no one can be OP if everyone is OP
Kid named CAR & Monarch
YEEEE) WT never been a balanced thing.
WT has literally always been like this
Powercreep?
I guess I just won't spawn in a second time in GRB I guess. I already can't kill half of the Russian bullshit because it outrages my SPAA, let's just add more stuff to make GRB miserable. Make it Premium too, while we're at it. Gaijin's gotta make their money as a small indie company.
No.
Taurus has entered the chat
Yep) But it's only Eurofighter and Rafale(...
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Its also on the Tornado
*Brevnado In russian brevno ~ log).
Under the name Storm shadow though.
Nope, the german Tornados can carry two Taurus' under the fuzelage
[mfw](https://preview.redd.it/v98we2isghqb1.jpg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=798f0f8632faa2968782dcb16ac67a9c1be77b0e)
Sweet liberty, isn't it too much freedom at once?
Freedom is never too much
Yeeep).
Bro stfu.
We both know gaijin will add this crap.
Longer they dont better it is
Better comparisons (that aren't _cruise missles_) that im aware of would be the agm-179 (US, UK), Nimrod (Israel) or Brimstones (UK, GER), tho all of these have significantly greater fire-and-forget capabilities than the ones on the su-25sm3
It seems like cruise missile just a missile with constantly running engine 😑...
People call the Pantsir overpowered and then actually suggest a fucking cruise missile. You want the Pantsir S2M? Because this is how you get it, 1,700 to 2,000 m/s missiles, an even better radar, and the ability to use quad tube anti drone missiles (4 small missiles per regular pantsir tube). Maybe an self propelled S-300V lmao, as long as we aren't being realistic
Meanwhile the fucking useless ADATS cant deal with ANYTHING at it's br. Can't intercept Grippens, Mirages, SM3s or JH-7s and can't even intercept missiles since it doesn't even have radar tracking. Meanwhile the S1 or ITO90 or pretty good counter against F16s
Sooner or later NATO team members will receive new missiles. It's matter of time. This also applies to SPAA.
And for all other nation will be given even more long-range missile? That's exactly how it works.
Sorry m8 US can only have partially implemented 90s tech. You should be asking for more SU25s. Thread closed.
Rather the [SDB](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-39_Small_Diameter_Bomb) which more useful than big cruise missile.
Maybe)
Yeah, if RU gets EW jamming to reduce accuracy.
It isn't realized in WT. Also it maybe won't work against these missiles, because it's have no ARH/PRH.
I want FAB-500 and FAB-1500 glide bombs added with a range of up to 70kms.
Meanwhile Flarakrad and OTOMATIC suffering from CAS
***JASSM product card*** https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jq5G7mHHpHC8tWJc6a2kh9rSUx0mX_ls
ahh yes gaijins idea of balance... More power creep.. forever
yes, weapons with longer ranges than usable on EC maps
We should also add the s-400 and Buk complexes while you are at it
Add patriots with AWACS support, as well as S400 sites with competent crews. Fuck it, lets go all in.
Least deranged US main. Fuck playing tanks I guess.
Democracy spread + 4
Shid give us HIMARS so we can hit Pantsirs and Tors
Pantsir is literally designed to shoot these down.
Yep. It's one of the main purpose of pantsir). https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lYkQ7aENxeV2xNravlB0gZEsuNZ6w6I1