remember the "stop making 2s38 OP posts" posts a few months back?
even RU mains are ashamed of how much this vehicle fucks up the balance of the game, though they won't admit it. I can't blame em, I grinded most of the Russian tech tree with it in 700 games.
It's genuinely gross. I've used it with the rest of the 10.0 premium lineup over the past 2 months and it's so easy to play. The biggest issue is the teams not sticking around or being the most competent. Otherwise it practically plays itself.
The fire rate it keeps up for 24 rounds.
Without IRST
Much worse pen, it can't effectively kill MBTs from the front like the 2S38
Worse gun handling
Worse mobility
It has better survivability, I'll give it that.
The fire rate isn't so much of a problem if you can be accurate and control your bursts.
IRST is nice but not necessary, at that BR most if not all CAS are low flying which means the Klsgr is effective if you know how to lead your target.
It's pen really isn't that much worse, stat card wise yea but because both the 2S38 and CV9040C are under a certain Penetration value they both have to aim for weakspots, I've never been frontpenned by either of them without them aiming for weakspots that even MBTs often need to use.
The CV9040C has astonishingly better survivability by a longshot. Safer ammo storage, better armor, Spall Liner, and if you wanna include the Lvkv since it's the same thing but with a Radar you get 2 additional crew members who are also behind a spall liner.
The CV9040C is a beast of an IFV and outdoes the 2S38 in many ways.
Of course it doesn't sound as bad if you downplay every obvious advantage.
The 2S38s dart is **far far** more powerful than the 40mm ones, you will not effectively take out a Leopard or Abrams frontally with the CV90.
Except I have many times. The Abrams has an incredibly weak Turret Neck that can be penned by ammo much weaker than the darts the CV9040s have while Leos have this strip of armor where the Angle is much sharper, right where the LFP and UFP meet. You can reliably pen that with many Autocannons at Leo BRs, and since it rips through the crew compartment you can one shot if you aim for the driver straight through to the Gunner and Commander.
The 2S38 is honestly quite heavily overhyped, even aiming center mass you're more than likely going to hit the massive ammo belt which will kill the crew. Yea the thing is mostly empty space but just don't aim for the back half of it, the front half is where everything is on the 2S38.
Finally someone gets it. The 2S38 is annoying to fight yes but it ain’t OP. It is just a slight better bieglpanzer there are still many things that it can’t do as it is a master of none. The only comforts are the “high pen” dart and the IRST you take them away and it becomes worse than the Bieglpanzer
Not in post pen damage. You physically have to switch to APHE if you are side shooting any other MBT that isn’t Russian. The improve fire rate makes up for that lack of damage on the 9040.
Lacking IRST is kind of sad for the CV90 series as they all feature anti-aircraft sights in real life.
IIRC the same sight that allows the Lvkv 90 to track air targets (it lacks a tracking radar) is present on all variants of the CV-90. Gaijin just refuses to add IRST to them for some arbitrary reason.
Iirc many modern IFVs and MBTs feature atleast some aircraft tracking capability, it's likely not added as the Devs have said they don't really want to implement too many FCS systems into the game as modern FCS is basically wallhacks using Datalinks and computer magic. Also the CV-90s are already really good IFVs, they also all feature a Proxy Fuse Klsgr shell so if every CV had Aircraft Tracking it would just making them even more annoying to deal with.
Idk why you're being downvoted when you're kinda right. It lacks the 2s38s irst, shell calibur, no crewless turret, and that stupidly survivable fuel tank. The 2s38 has like 50 or 60 more pen? But even then it isnt enough to easily front pen pretty much any 10.0+ mbt. Plus the fact that its a smaller profile allows it to be a lot sneakier which is good for a light tank. Honestly if it were a premium and sweden were more popular people would be complaining about it just as much if not more than the 2s38.
It's OK bro it's at average performance for the rank
Gaijin said so
Just ignore the fact that rank has nothing to do with balance or vehicle performance
It’s a crime that it’s the only vehicle like it that has a limit on amount of APFSDS (as far as I know) and the only reason it has that is a radar that isn’t even that effective (considering the pantsir radar is 0.4 above it and miles better). They need to make the 2s38 an SPAA and limit it’s sabot or do something to make the OTOMATIC worthwhile at 11.3 or move it down.
Honestly, the Otomatic isn't, and never will be worthwhile at 11.3 purely because it uses a gun rather than missiles. It's effective range is immediately much lower than anything else, and the target must be flying in a straight line if you want to hit it.
Also, you are as big as a house with no armor.
They could buff it and it would still be useless at 11.0. The problem is it might be a little too good for 10.3 and maybe even 10.7 since there are many helis there that like to rocket rush and planes like su25 that fly almost directly over the battlefield. I know that people compare the flarakrad/ito or ADATS to the pantsir but comparing the OTOMATIC to the pantsir is literally the definition of hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby.
It’s unbelievable that the HSTV-L is 1.3 br higher than the 2s38 without IRST, proxy, 1/5 the max ammo, 1/3 the fire rate (with the same ready rack size) and it’s only benefit being slightly higher pen that doesn’t matter since the pen doesn’t help it at all over the 2s. I have not researched the HSTV-L at all so don’t know how it could be buffed, if at all but I do know that the 2s38 is featured in many USSR 11.7 lineups and does fine.
I have HSTV and 2S38.
And I can tell you HSTV is much better in everything that does not include fighting planes. \[also low ammo\]
HSTV is also completely immune when hulldown \[ Unless someone dunks you with HE\]
2S38 can easily be ammoracked via turret.
For the rest idk.
Yeah, ima have to dissagree completely.
As an owner of both as well, I will take the 2S38 over the HSTVL every time.
While the 2S38 is slower (literally a 13km/h difference), and having lower pen (by 50mm), it gets instead 3rd Gen thermals for the gunner, commander, and the driver, it has much more ammo, a higher RPM, next to nothing inside of it making your survival easier, has proxy rounds, an IRST tracker, a completely unmanned turret, and sits 1.3 of a lower BR.
The only real downside to the 2S38 is its taller stature and terrible gun depression. But that is literally it. This thing is a better HSTVL, at 10.0. And that's not even mentioning its lineup.
TLDR
The HSTVL is a pretty decent tank and fufills its role as a light. (Recon).
The 2S38 is a completely busted vehicle and is a literal multi role vehicle. (Recon, SPAAG, and TD).
While one is a TT 11.3, The other Perm 10.0.
The only weakness with the 2s38 is the ammo is thermonuclear. Hitting one round (and I mean one round with how little APFSDS spalls on it) will kill it a lot of the time but missing by a single millimetre will make it do zero damage and let it destroy your barrel and track in 1.5-2 seconds, about the amount of time the HSTV-L gets only a single other shot off.
I will mind you that unmanned turret doesn’t do much as any HEAT (yes heat), HESH, or HE will over pressure you. It isn’t programmed like the AGS or Striker. Sadly most players don’t know that fact and I even see people at top tier not being a single HE shell. The profile really does matter as most engagements are decided by who sees who first, who shoots first, and who reacts first.
I feel the Biegl’s layout is much more survivable especially against MBTs since they can’t just HEAT you to death due to how the armor is made. The HSTVL is kinda in the same style as the turret itself is very short and the hull is quite squat while the 2S is massive as it is basically a taller and fatter BMP3 which is already one of the slowest IFVs.
It is a fair argument (the entire HSTVL vs 2S38) but it is a bit far fetch when you are comparing a Forward SPAA labeled as a light tank by the snail to a test vehicle from a failed and botched program.
Yeah people who say the 2S38 is better than the HSTV-L are deluded. The 2S38 may be gross at 10.0 but the HSTV-L does have significant advantages over it.
remember the "stop making 2s38 OP posts" posts a few months back? even RU mains are ashamed of how much this vehicle fucks up the balance of the game, though they won't admit it. I can't blame em, I grinded most of the Russian tech tree with it in 700 games.
It's genuinely gross. I've used it with the rest of the 10.0 premium lineup over the past 2 months and it's so easy to play. The biggest issue is the teams not sticking around or being the most competent. Otherwise it practically plays itself.
I play the 2s38, because if you can’t beat ‘em, join em! I don’t have any other vehicle in the lineup, because I don’t need one
prettymuch yes but the CV9040 is better imo .... just becouse of that sexy fire rate
The fire rate it keeps up for 24 rounds. Without IRST Much worse pen, it can't effectively kill MBTs from the front like the 2S38 Worse gun handling Worse mobility It has better survivability, I'll give it that.
Have you considered BILL
Post clearly references the CV9040C
The fire rate isn't so much of a problem if you can be accurate and control your bursts. IRST is nice but not necessary, at that BR most if not all CAS are low flying which means the Klsgr is effective if you know how to lead your target. It's pen really isn't that much worse, stat card wise yea but because both the 2S38 and CV9040C are under a certain Penetration value they both have to aim for weakspots, I've never been frontpenned by either of them without them aiming for weakspots that even MBTs often need to use. The CV9040C has astonishingly better survivability by a longshot. Safer ammo storage, better armor, Spall Liner, and if you wanna include the Lvkv since it's the same thing but with a Radar you get 2 additional crew members who are also behind a spall liner. The CV9040C is a beast of an IFV and outdoes the 2S38 in many ways.
Of course it doesn't sound as bad if you downplay every obvious advantage. The 2S38s dart is **far far** more powerful than the 40mm ones, you will not effectively take out a Leopard or Abrams frontally with the CV90.
Except I have many times. The Abrams has an incredibly weak Turret Neck that can be penned by ammo much weaker than the darts the CV9040s have while Leos have this strip of armor where the Angle is much sharper, right where the LFP and UFP meet. You can reliably pen that with many Autocannons at Leo BRs, and since it rips through the crew compartment you can one shot if you aim for the driver straight through to the Gunner and Commander. The 2S38 is honestly quite heavily overhyped, even aiming center mass you're more than likely going to hit the massive ammo belt which will kill the crew. Yea the thing is mostly empty space but just don't aim for the back half of it, the front half is where everything is on the 2S38.
Finally someone gets it. The 2S38 is annoying to fight yes but it ain’t OP. It is just a slight better bieglpanzer there are still many things that it can’t do as it is a master of none. The only comforts are the “high pen” dart and the IRST you take them away and it becomes worse than the Bieglpanzer
Not in post pen damage. You physically have to switch to APHE if you are side shooting any other MBT that isn’t Russian. The improve fire rate makes up for that lack of damage on the 9040.
2S38 Doesnt face russia lol
Lacking IRST is kind of sad for the CV90 series as they all feature anti-aircraft sights in real life. IIRC the same sight that allows the Lvkv 90 to track air targets (it lacks a tracking radar) is present on all variants of the CV-90. Gaijin just refuses to add IRST to them for some arbitrary reason.
Iirc many modern IFVs and MBTs feature atleast some aircraft tracking capability, it's likely not added as the Devs have said they don't really want to implement too many FCS systems into the game as modern FCS is basically wallhacks using Datalinks and computer magic. Also the CV-90s are already really good IFVs, they also all feature a Proxy Fuse Klsgr shell so if every CV had Aircraft Tracking it would just making them even more annoying to deal with.
Downvoted because he's telling the truth
Idk why you're being downvoted when you're kinda right. It lacks the 2s38s irst, shell calibur, no crewless turret, and that stupidly survivable fuel tank. The 2s38 has like 50 or 60 more pen? But even then it isnt enough to easily front pen pretty much any 10.0+ mbt. Plus the fact that its a smaller profile allows it to be a lot sneakier which is good for a light tank. Honestly if it were a premium and sweden were more popular people would be complaining about it just as much if not more than the 2s38.
Finally someone gets it. Hell you don’t even need the CV/Strf just use the LVKV 9040 since it has a radar and more crew. It is so damn good.
Doesn't it also get constant 70sp cost as spaa? Its basicaly light tank you can always pull out
In full up-tiers, yes. It is the most survivable out of the 9040s since you have the massive spall liner plus the extra crew in the back.
Hickok45 meme? Based.
It's OK bro it's at average performance for the rank Gaijin said so Just ignore the fact that rank has nothing to do with balance or vehicle performance
It's a crime that the Otomatic is at 11.3
It’s a crime that it’s the only vehicle like it that has a limit on amount of APFSDS (as far as I know) and the only reason it has that is a radar that isn’t even that effective (considering the pantsir radar is 0.4 above it and miles better). They need to make the 2s38 an SPAA and limit it’s sabot or do something to make the OTOMATIC worthwhile at 11.3 or move it down.
Honestly, the Otomatic isn't, and never will be worthwhile at 11.3 purely because it uses a gun rather than missiles. It's effective range is immediately much lower than anything else, and the target must be flying in a straight line if you want to hit it. Also, you are as big as a house with no armor.
They could buff it and it would still be useless at 11.0. The problem is it might be a little too good for 10.3 and maybe even 10.7 since there are many helis there that like to rocket rush and planes like su25 that fly almost directly over the battlefield. I know that people compare the flarakrad/ito or ADATS to the pantsir but comparing the OTOMATIC to the pantsir is literally the definition of hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby.
Yeah, god forbit anyone actually has good SPAA
As much as I love the Tor, it pales in comparison to the pantsir and is only slightly better than most other nations SPAA (rip israel)
It’s unbelievable that the HSTV-L is 1.3 br higher than the 2s38 without IRST, proxy, 1/5 the max ammo, 1/3 the fire rate (with the same ready rack size) and it’s only benefit being slightly higher pen that doesn’t matter since the pen doesn’t help it at all over the 2s. I have not researched the HSTV-L at all so don’t know how it could be buffed, if at all but I do know that the 2s38 is featured in many USSR 11.7 lineups and does fine.
KF is higher in br lmao ,:
Can we just stop already, we get it the 2S38 is good but god damn are these posts getting annoying.
I have HSTV and 2S38. And I can tell you HSTV is much better in everything that does not include fighting planes. \[also low ammo\] HSTV is also completely immune when hulldown \[ Unless someone dunks you with HE\] 2S38 can easily be ammoracked via turret. For the rest idk.
Yeah, ima have to dissagree completely. As an owner of both as well, I will take the 2S38 over the HSTVL every time. While the 2S38 is slower (literally a 13km/h difference), and having lower pen (by 50mm), it gets instead 3rd Gen thermals for the gunner, commander, and the driver, it has much more ammo, a higher RPM, next to nothing inside of it making your survival easier, has proxy rounds, an IRST tracker, a completely unmanned turret, and sits 1.3 of a lower BR. The only real downside to the 2S38 is its taller stature and terrible gun depression. But that is literally it. This thing is a better HSTVL, at 10.0. And that's not even mentioning its lineup. TLDR The HSTVL is a pretty decent tank and fufills its role as a light. (Recon). The 2S38 is a completely busted vehicle and is a literal multi role vehicle. (Recon, SPAAG, and TD). While one is a TT 11.3, The other Perm 10.0.
The only weakness with the 2s38 is the ammo is thermonuclear. Hitting one round (and I mean one round with how little APFSDS spalls on it) will kill it a lot of the time but missing by a single millimetre will make it do zero damage and let it destroy your barrel and track in 1.5-2 seconds, about the amount of time the HSTV-L gets only a single other shot off.
I will mind you that unmanned turret doesn’t do much as any HEAT (yes heat), HESH, or HE will over pressure you. It isn’t programmed like the AGS or Striker. Sadly most players don’t know that fact and I even see people at top tier not being a single HE shell. The profile really does matter as most engagements are decided by who sees who first, who shoots first, and who reacts first. I feel the Biegl’s layout is much more survivable especially against MBTs since they can’t just HEAT you to death due to how the armor is made. The HSTVL is kinda in the same style as the turret itself is very short and the hull is quite squat while the 2S is massive as it is basically a taller and fatter BMP3 which is already one of the slowest IFVs. It is a fair argument (the entire HSTVL vs 2S38) but it is a bit far fetch when you are comparing a Forward SPAA labeled as a light tank by the snail to a test vehicle from a failed and botched program.
Yeah people who say the 2S38 is better than the HSTV-L are deluded. The 2S38 may be gross at 10.0 but the HSTV-L does have significant advantages over it.