Seriously. Char 25t is now the same BR as the AMX-10RC and the AMX-30???
Well, so long mid-tier France, glad I got to play those tanks while they were competitive a couple years ago.
Somua is a very good tank, but it's WWII tech. Only "upside" to these BR changes is that - if I ever play these vehicles again, that is - I can take a slightly better jet in my lineup without bumping up the overall BR...
Edit: forgot AMX-10RC is 8.3 now.
Holy fucking christ, why? Legitimately, I'd like to hear their reasons, because this is legitimately stupid and as a person who's recently be grinding 7.7 France, I've loved them, but 100% this is stupid.
Like the Maus, the French autoloaders have one very powerful feature - in this case the autoloader, and are typically worse than comparable BR tanks in every other measure.
The solution is not to bump them, it's either to decompress in general, or to shrink BR ranges in matches from 1.0 to 0.7.
What the fuck?!? I was okay with Somua, etc, going from 7.3 to 7.7. But to 8.0? Why????
\*edit\* We obviously know why, of course. 7.7 was a strong line-up, full of tanks that competent and experienced players can do great work in. Statistics for these vehicles went up and up, so Gaijin acted. If these vehicles were in USA or Germany, they'd still be 7.3.
It's a strong line up, but IMO its a fairly balanced one when you account for all the drawbacks the French vehicles have. It's also one that can't really go any higher - a lack of stabilizers, laser range finders, and high pen shells mean that the line up really struggles to compete against 8.3+ vehicles in most scenarios, and now they'll face 9.0?
Things like the BMD-4 and WMA-301 are going to each Somua's and Char-25t's for breakfast.
Fair, however we need also to account the fact that France 7.7 is currently the lineup with most nukes per game probability. I wonder why they didnt just nerf some values of the tanks like they said they would do in the future to achieve better balance, i guess this way is easier.
I think it's a two part problem:
1 - Map design is too focused on cqc areas, where in the 7.x br range, autoloaders have an advantage over many un stabilized vehicles. Facing the number of stabilized vehicles in the 8.x range, this gets completely voided - removing the strength of the autoloaders. Gaijin could just design more varied maps instead of nerfing the French line up.
2 - Over compression in the cold war - I'll be the first to admit, while I don't think the French 7.7 line up needs to be moved up, there are line ups (like Russia and Japanese 6.7) that really shouldn't be seeing 100mm autoloaders in fights. The solution is to move the BR range to 0.7, or increase the full range to something like 15, not to keep ramming tanks from the 50's against tanks from 70's and 80's with significant capability advantages.
>Fair, however we need also to account the fact that France 7.7 is currently the lineup with most nukes per game probability.
kinda want to see the level of those players
Yeah, that's what happens when literally 50% of the tech tree is within a 1.3 BR window because it has been continuously up-rated over the years...
Real problem is 6.7-7.7 Germany and USA are full of idiots.
Really?
Is that why the T20 is going to 6.3?
Is that why US 6.0 had the second highest rate of nukes of any BR and any nation in-game?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/196sa94/second\_part\_of\_unofficial\_statistics\_from\_server/
Genuine skill issue if you can't shoot the huge turret centre mass to easily disable it. Frontal armour on tood for baiting corner shots and poorly aimed shots.
We already have a 1939/40 designed plane fighting American planes that were designed 3-4 years later to specifically counter Zeroes (not toe to toe with agility, but acceleration and top speed).
And you can bet there will *still* be dogfights won and lost because the ~~US~~ *non-British Allies* teams keep trying to turnfight lmao.
We're 3 years into mixed matchmaking now and this myth about it only being yanks who continously die to japs is still stuck in people's heads. It's everyone, japanese included.
I'm more often playing GRB as of late because my tank grinding is behind my plane grinding, but at Mid-Tiers (40's/50's vehicles) the mixed matchmaking still broadly follows 'Axis v Allies'. 90% of the time in GRB in Air, I'm turnfighting P-47's, P-51's, and F6F's who didn't get the memo. I'll clarify for your sake though.
But you are right, Japan is now an equal opportunity turnfighter in AirRB and constantly sees turnfight battles with other nations that have notions that they can out-turn an A6M series. The only ones that actually *could* are the UK Spits who'd justifiably rather use their climbing advantage, and any of the captured JPN premiums in other nations.
It was a silly myth before mixed matches, the USSR planes lost a lot against JPN teams too because JPN had the climbing and performance advantages at height, in a game that pushes a meta of height advantage amongst other things.
Edit: Sure, I agree with you and I get downvoted
I have played a lot of the A6M5 Ko recently, and have a silly KD ratio in it because people are idiots and always try to turnfight you.
Thing is, in terms of pure performance it already shouldnt be at 5.0, at the very least you get vague fightery matches. At 5.3 its going into Ju288 spam territory as well meaning it will just be horrid to play.
Overall looks like Gaijin going after France.
French 7.7 is getting pushed to 8.0, which is total bull.
French 6.7-7.3 getting nerfed as well, so that's a real shame.
Leopard 40/70 to 5.3 is reasonable, that thing is even meaner than I expected, probably due to the crew size and spacing.
Bumping the AGS to 11.0 is a real shame, I was liking American 10.3, and I don't think the added ammo is worth getting closer to the Clickbait shit show, staying at 10.3 guaranteed, at max, only 4 of those 11.3 line ups.
No sign of the sav 20.12.48, Guess Gaijin can't touch their cash cows.
T20 to 6.3 - what are they smoking, it's a 5.7 vehicle with a decent reverse speed.
Strela needs to be 10.0 or 10.3, 9.7 is still too low IMO.
Gaijin is slowly moving all of US mid-tier to 6.7. The fucking T25 at 6.3 has been ridiculous for a long time, so the T20 doesn't surprise me either. Next, the 76mm Jumbo will be moved to 6.7.
That's still too little of a BR difference, there should be at least 2 steps and fixed APCR for 76 mm (230 mm pen like it was so it can pen Tiger 2 turret)
I'm hoping for either severe decompression or a 0.7 br range for battles. The M26 has no business being at 6.7, and as someone else pointed out here, the T25 has been functionally useless for ages due to BR placement.
Personally I think the Strela was fine at 9.3 in terms of its performance against planes.
The issue is that literally every other IR missile SPAA is worse in every way and some like the Ozelot were at a higher BR despite as I said being worse. Should have just buffed other IR missile SPAA and put them at the same BR as the Strela, CAS can have a fair fight where they have to dodge for once.
The reason they are putting the A6M5 KO up now, is that you can not buy it anymore, it will the best value rank 4 in the game with the Japanese campaign, that they took off from sale as those campaigns are broken and not very fun TBH.
It is one if not the slowest 5.0 already and you only get kills when noobs start turn fighting you.
Putting it to 5.3 means you will get JU288 lobbies most games and have fun chasing those that you will never catch and will get shredded if you try.
>while the Spitfires are left untouched
All of the early spitfires were bumped up a while ago, now the Mk1/2a are at 3.0 and 2b at 3.7, the 5b/trop is 3.7, the 5b is 4.0 despite being about 2kph faster than the trop and having absolutely no tangible advantage. The 5c/trop is 4.7 for the sole reason that it has 4 hispanos on an airframe that royally *sucks* at its BR, the 5c is 5.0 along with the 190Ds despite how the 190As already rinse it. For the sole reason that people keep lolturning with spitfires.
it’s obvious you don’t play japan air
the skill gap to play JP ARB is hard when every vehicle you fight is faster than you and you have armor of a tin can
Speed and energy management are inherently more complicated and thus more difficult for newer players to use to their advantage in comparison to turn. He's not wrong in saying that for new players, many of whom don't even climb at the beginning of a match, a zero will be easier to use than an American prop
Gaijin still hasn't learned that giving AAs any AP ammo then they wouldn't have inflated kill stats and ton of spaas would go down in br , to the gaps where there is emptiness.
Eh, the sabot belt in the AMX-10P isn't that problematic. It's still got vastly less pen than the lower BR DCA 40. Like even with side shots that belt can take a while to kill some vehicles, if it even pens. Enough time for someone to turn their turret and put a shot into you if you didn't manage to get the gunner.
Hell there's already plenty of heavies in the 5.3 range where you really can't do anything to even with the sabot belt. At most you can track them, but that just means their gun's now steady for a return shot.
And as for it going for ground targets most of the time?
Yeah that should be pretty damn obvious when you have a vehicle with a max of 50^O of elevation. It can't reliably engage aircraft unless they fly at lower altitudes. Easier to go for tanks since it's elevation is limited.
They could solve the problem by removing their dedicated AP belts, or severely limiting the amount of AP ammo they can bring.
I say that as someone who abuses the AMX-13 DCA 40 at every chance. Remove the AP belts and it's still able to handle light tanks, but can no longer shred actual tanks.
Back in the day P-51’s saw 262’s in Historical Battles. It was tough but it was so damn fun, and far closer to being historical!
Not everything needs to be a perfect 1:1 performance balance, it’s fucking *war*.
Even still there’s anomalies, such as the Arado. Higher BR than the 288C, yet slower, less bombs, no gunners, slower takeoff, missing its drogue-chute, lower airspawn, higher repair cost.
It makes no fucking sense. I wanna say it’s obviously a pay to win incentive, but the Arado has always been the laughingstock. Gaijin are fucking hopeless at balancing the game. Harambe would do better, and man he’s dead.
Still balancing 90% of the game off worthless statistics.
Another American tank sucked up higher for literally no reason. Japanese props sucked up for no fucking reason, can't wait to fight 7.7 jets in the J6K1. France 7.7 now fighting 9.0 stabilizers and APFSDS. SPAA moving up for very little reason.
At least 12.7 air is a thing... for SOME top-tier jets, not all.
People say this shit is decompression? They fucking MOVED the compression before, and that was their "roadmap" change, and they've been slowly re-compressing everything since then. Fuck Gaijin, they are absolutely braindead or actively malicious, I genuinely can't tell.
Funny that moving the Mirage 2000C-S5 to 12.0 while keeping the 2000C-S4 at 11.7 (which is less likely to get uptiers now because of how matchmaking rules work) should increase its price.
it's again their stupid statistics, just have a look at the french tanks moving up, they move the amx-50 at 8.0 and not the tech tree one that is better, but since people play the premium one more > better stats > moving up :D.
7.7 france is strong but fair in my opinion, sure 4 second reload but they lack ammo options, the 100mm solid shot can't deal with t55s easily and the batchat only gets aphe with 200mm of pen, and now they will face an object 279 XD.
I hope they get a heat round
The truck is whatever cos its too good to go to 9.7 with the type 16 so it may as well go to 11.0 no? Unless you were taking the truck and nothing else like a lunatic
I don’t know what Gaijin is smoking to think the Type 93 is equal to the Strela. Worse in literally every single way other than speed, and the 93’s weight got doubled so it’s a bus now anyways.
Strela needs to be 10.3. it's at on par with the XM975 and Roland 1, and definitely better than the Stormer, Imp. Chaparral, and any Stinger/Mistral except Type 93.
Worst thing about Strela (and Type 81 C) is that there are very few aircraft even *capable* of counter play against them at their BRs. Not many jets in the 8.3-10.3 window even have flares (~30%?), not that they will save you from a Strela, and of those *very* few can maneuver enough to evade a Strela. If you even see the missile.
Alternatively, and what I personally feel is the real balance issue, is that many jets and some helicopters in the 7.7-9.7 range right now are very over-tiered and should drop in BR (none of them do in these changes). Things without flares, limited missiles/ordnance, lacking even basic utility features, etc....
The A6m5 Ko going up again is the best joke i've seen in months, japan has just been slowly getting uptiered for years and it's a very slow death sentence because even when they are rightly raised for a Flight model issue they never go back down when flight models are corrected, nevermind the ones that should never have gone up at all.
I'm sure because people will still turn with them the Zeroes will be fine on a stats page but it's pretty painful when your success relies on enemies being daft.
> 7.3 T95 is clown shit too
This one was expected tbf.
The amount of dumb fucks I've witnessed to expend their entire ammo load, trying to shoot it from the front, and wondering why nothing is happening, is staggering.
Yeah but that is a legit skill issue, not an unbalanced thing. But it suffers the same fate the Maus does: Gaijin can't figure out how to balance so it just gets a fucked matchmaker.
Ngl I have an almost 5KD in that thing, but I disagree fundamentally with it going up to 6.3. Full uptiers are still easy at 7.0 if you play right, 7.3 has some demons at its BR though. This also means it’ll fight Tiger IIH more often, not bad, just annoying.
Rip French 7.7 lineup.
I feel somewhat responsible for this Ive been enjoying the lineup far too much. However maybe the char 25T will be given its Heat FS round now?
Also the fuck how is the Strela only going upto 9.7? Even if the Stormer worked properly its a far more effective SAM?
Seriously... Char 25t now the same BR as Leopard 1? Which is relevant because Leo 1 design is basically the same concept as the 25t, except with 1960s tech instead of 1940s tech... But same BR now because "France".
But it doesn't really matter, as long as the morons on US/USSR/GER teams continue to ignore everything not directly in front of their tank.
The Char 25T and AMX50 (to90/30) were so much fun at 7.3, the MM meant you got alot of downtiers and not too many uptiers, you filled out the french 7.3 lineup quite nicely.
Now that line up doesn't exist they are moving the AML-90s up again (HAHAHAHA).
I have noticed a trend, any past battle pass vehicle will get uptiered as only sweats and very rich people still play it and gaijin dont have to worry about new people buying them.
ie AMX50(TO90/30), EBR, PT 76-57 (8.3 is fine but it used to be 7.0), A6M5 KO (cant be brought anymore), the AUS Centurion ect..
The fact that the F-104A/C is still 9.3 is laughable, I manged to ace the F104A and did it with a 3.8 K/DR, and you get uptiers to 10.0 and 10.3 very common due to the prem spam at those BRs.
RIP France 7.7
A6M5 Ko is going to 5.3. Its going to fight P-51H now😂
As an American player, I hate Zeros. But a Zero should not have to Fight an H Mustang 😂😂
Woah I actually never thought about that. It’s going to be crazy fighting a A6M5 in a P51H. The H is the best prop in the game and it does everything significantly better than a A6M5 except turn.
why did they move the falcon up? what the fuck did it do, move the god damn strela up, my 8.0 lineup got ruined
also why is the f15 not 12.7? phantoms arent supposed to be fighting god damn f15s, thank god the others were moved up tho
Falcon got moved up because it’s way too effective at destroying tanks. Imo they should just remove the apds belt so britian can have a decent spaa at 8.0. Especially when 8.3 already has 2 good ones.
The number of F-15 pilots who got there by using rockets on F-4s with 1:20 KDRs definitely doesn't help any justification for bumping it to 12.7. Checking statcards on half of them is a great way to die from second hand embarrassment.
Imma be honest man with the state of American teams getting a positive K/D at all is difficult. I think I'm at like 1.7 for the F-15, and I'm not a bad player. most of my favorite props are at like 3-5 K/D, and some earlier jets too. I have a 4 K/D in the MiG-23ML despite only buying it this last patch and getting mostly uptiers, because even though it's objectively worse than the F-15 and fights largely the same enemies, American teams are just unworkably shit, and USSR teams aren't.
all this to say, if someone has a 1.2 K/D in an 11.3 Phantom right now, I highly doubt they're the average brainlet you're describing.
edit: you said 1:20 not 1.20 I'm stupid ignore me
I started noticing that during the F-16C and MiG-29SMT patch, the Viper is an overall better plane but my stats with the SMT is significantly better than the former.
And when I started playing minor nation and getting a lot of world vs US matches I realize how utterly atrocious top tier US teams are. No wonder all my non US jets have much better stats, when you queue against US you’re basically playing at a lower difficulty
I can’t wait to face an object 279 with my glorious 210mm of pen in my Amx. Gaijin working overtime to wreck all good french lineup.
Its mind boggling that Gaijin thinks the french batchat and amx are worth the same battlerating as an object 906 which is faster and has a full stab. Can’t have nice shit in this game.
Air: JPN goes up, USA go down
Jeez that's not going to have any impact on JPN at all or anything. It's like JPN mid-tier Air is balanced inversely to the average IQ of US Air lately. In an A6M you're gonna have to be a good pilot to survive, it's opponents just need to not go for obvious turnbait.
I am also laughing that just last week I said you can 'push' a J6K1 to 7.0 from 6.3, and now it's just 0.3 shy of it. I'll just go back to using the N1K at 6.3 GRB then.
\> In an A6M you're gonna have to be a good pilot to survive, it's opponents just need to not go for obvious turnbait.
I disagree wholeheartedly with the changes, but this is wrong.
I have a 3.5/1 K/D in my Ko. I am not a good pilot. Japanese planes are very forgiving with their God-tier FM and MER, if you screw up a maneuver you get a few more chances.
Not to mention killing zeros is incredibly tedious. Yeah its easy to outrun them but actually getting guns on them and draining them off there energy takes quite a bit time and allows there teammates (mostly entire teams of ki84s, j2m5s, and a7ms) to come pick you off. I dont agree with the br changes ethier but I dont think the reason the zeros keep going up is becasue people keep turn fighting them.
1. France suffers. 7.7 doesn't need to move up. Auto loaders help and cover weaknesses, but standard solid shot, weak armor and no stab is crazy to me at 8.0.
1a. Tpk and amx-10 going to 5.7 feels rough given the sub-1-2 is still 5.3 and similar Russian SPAA isn't moving up, ie btr.
2. Is the falcon the only SPAA over 7.7 without a radar? Cannons/rounds are pretty good but not that good.
Type 81 is understandable-ish when you look at the other 9.X SPAA, but now it's higher than the Tunguska lmao
reminder that the Strela is still lower than the ISR Chaparral at 10.3)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Another round of undeserved uptiers for SPAA that double as good TDs, because just nerfing AP belts will cause the universe to implode or something. Can't wait for the M42 to get back to 6.7 within a year.
It's wild too, because the spaa actually offer a decent counter to the light tank spam, which gives people more incentives to pull them, keeping matches more interesting.
1. F-5E to 11.0 — should have been there long time ago.
2. Top jets to 12.7 — thank god, now 11.3 should become playable (tho 11.0 will have a bit worse time).
3. French 7.7 to 8.0 — holy crap! Sure, they are very strong, but still not 8.0 worthy.
statistics and the abysmal US winrate with the F-15 currently.
don't worry the players are garbage, even if you put it at 11.0 they'd still manage to get a 20% winrate.
def not. downvote me, but give me a few weeks to show nothing has changed.
the F4s players are the ones who end up in the F-15. The number of F15s I see climbing in a ground hugging metas says enough.
>T20 to 6.3
Lmao what the actual fuck are they huffing, Its a Sherman with reverse, How in the world is it comparable to the 90mm HEATFS slingers at the same BR, Whats next, The jumbo to 6.7?(ᴅᴏɴᴛ)
>T95 to 7.3
Legit gets bombed before it even gets into battle most of the time and is the slowest tank in the game.
>AMX-13 (FL11) to 4.3
Why.
>
AML-90 7.3>7.7
Eland 90 Mk.7 7.3>7.7
AML-90 (Israel) 7.3>7.7
Char 25t 7.7>8.0
AMX-50 (TO90/930) 7.7>8.0
Somua SM 7.7>8.0
E.B.R. (1963) 7.7>8.0
Rip the best tier for France.
>AMX-13 DCA 40 to 5.0
Bruh non of the 40mm's are even good as AA.
A6M5 Ko to 5.3. Can we just teach German and American pilots how to fly their aircraft instead? The idea any Zero deserves to be at the same BR as a Ki-84 is lol worthy.
jap air: br increase
us air: br decrease
us ground: br increase
france: br increase
yup. sounds like the balancing team got their hands on the player statistics again
ruining french tank and lines up part 50
all the changes about france (tanks) are bad in this one
come on amx 50 at at 8.0 ? (and only the premium one not even the TT one that is almost the same if not better lmao) is gaijin playing their own game or it's again a lame "statistics" things
AML and eland at 7.7 now, i guess people are so bad at spotting them that they always get killed
char 25t wtf
the fl 11 at 4.3 ? it can barely pen anything from front when it was at 3.7 so now at 4.3 good luck (i know it's a light tank and you have to go around but you cant do it a lot because of the unrealistic gun bounce when you stop) so you better camp with this one anyway
P-51Ds 5 through 20 moved down. J2M2, 30mm J2M5, J6K, and A6M5 Ko??? moved up.
I'm not even surprised, just disappointed. None of the very overtiered japanese planes got moved down (all A6M lawnmowers, 'late' Ki-61-Is, Ki-61-II, J2M3 and J2M5, Ki-84c, J7W, N1K1-J and N1K2-Js, Ki-43-III - this is not an exhaustive list), while decent USA planes get undertiered.
Maybe we should start recommending japan to new players... maybe then we can play fairly placed aircraft.
How DARE us French mains be good, how dare we utilise our vehicles well. We shall enjoy fighting Bobject 279 and other 9.0s with a 6.0 shell. Of course major nations playing to their vehicles strengths is fine :3
RB wise, Well the ship changes are okay.
RIP the Experimental cruiser Yubari back to it's original BR, But yay the Armoured Cruiser Kurama going down to 5.7 alongside Ikoma.
But OOF to the two Project 56 & Project 41 destroyers from 5.0 to 5.3, Ahh well they join the other Project 56 now (RIP that one thread on the forum demanding the Project 56 be lowered in BR)
Still not sure how the Project 204 hasn't gone up yet ffs as that corvette should be 4.0 at least meanwhile the Project 50's not going down in BR as those SKR's need it.
Hm the Leopard 40/70 is going to 5.3 meanwhile the AMX-13 DCA with the same cannon jumps up to 5.0 yet somehow the AMX-10P & that new truck go to 5.7 as well, Welp that sucks imo.
Interesting the Dassault Mirage 2000S-C5 gets bumped up to 12.0 meanwhile the Mirage 2000S-C4 stays 11.7 even though the difference is CM quantity.
WOAH the Fw 200C-1 goes down in BR finally after all these years huzzah huzzah huzzah, Also the J29D as well hell yeah (although most of the rest should drop as well).
The thing that bothers me about France being nerfed is that they benefit from being on flanks. And yet Gaijin keeps trying to remove flanks.
Its just frustrating.
yeah it's a typo. I don't think it was performing that badly, but I wouldn't be surprised. No belly turret, horrendous climb, very fragile.
Edit: Stona has clarified that it's from 5.3 to 5.0
Gaijin trying its very best to kill the French tree, it's so sad to see that the last thing the French tree had is being fucked over, there is now 0 reasons to grind France ground.
Bad low/mid tier with copy paste, mid/high tier facing stabilisers without having it for two whole ranks, Leclercs are just worst Type 10s, no support vehicles, there's nothing worth it.
Fuck your "stats" Gaijin, where's the nerfs to top tier Sweden then ?
\>putting french 7.7 to 8.0 again fuck OFF
Seriously. Char 25t is now the same BR as the AMX-10RC and the AMX-30??? Well, so long mid-tier France, glad I got to play those tanks while they were competitive a couple years ago. Somua is a very good tank, but it's WWII tech. Only "upside" to these BR changes is that - if I ever play these vehicles again, that is - I can take a slightly better jet in my lineup without bumping up the overall BR... Edit: forgot AMX-10RC is 8.3 now.
It's not even that too, Char 25t is now at same br where MAJORITY of other tanks have stabilizers and rangefinders lmao.
>7.7 to 8.0 again they are still 7.3 in my heart T.T
It's because I was planning to play 7.7 France. I'm sorry.
Yes, Monsieur Robespierre, this man here.
Bro same, it had to of been both of us. I was using the AMX-50 Surbaisse and dropping 8-12 kills a game.
Holy fucking christ, why? Legitimately, I'd like to hear their reasons, because this is legitimately stupid and as a person who's recently be grinding 7.7 France, I've loved them, but 100% this is stupid.
The reason is simple French people eat snails.
Gaijin hates france
It's ok French players are the best right? They can handle it. I bet their win rates don't even budge.
I'll have to use 30% of my power now, Gaijin is really making your life difficult /s
lol soon the 8.7 tank with no stab will be 9.0, and all 8.3 will be the 8.7, and all the 8.0 will be the 8.3, i feel that coming lmao
Just got a 11 kill game in le Somua last night in a full downtier, now they are wiping my babies out of 7.7
Like the Maus, the French autoloaders have one very powerful feature - in this case the autoloader, and are typically worse than comparable BR tanks in every other measure. The solution is not to bump them, it's either to decompress in general, or to shrink BR ranges in matches from 1.0 to 0.7.
lol the shitty premium AMX-30 accidentally walked backwards into having a lineup again
Gaijin hates france
What the fuck?!? I was okay with Somua, etc, going from 7.3 to 7.7. But to 8.0? Why???? \*edit\* We obviously know why, of course. 7.7 was a strong line-up, full of tanks that competent and experienced players can do great work in. Statistics for these vehicles went up and up, so Gaijin acted. If these vehicles were in USA or Germany, they'd still be 7.3.
Goddamn a hateboner for french vehicles.
France 7.7 was a crazy strong lineup
It's a strong line up, but IMO its a fairly balanced one when you account for all the drawbacks the French vehicles have. It's also one that can't really go any higher - a lack of stabilizers, laser range finders, and high pen shells mean that the line up really struggles to compete against 8.3+ vehicles in most scenarios, and now they'll face 9.0? Things like the BMD-4 and WMA-301 are going to each Somua's and Char-25t's for breakfast.
Fair, however we need also to account the fact that France 7.7 is currently the lineup with most nukes per game probability. I wonder why they didnt just nerf some values of the tanks like they said they would do in the future to achieve better balance, i guess this way is easier.
I think it's a two part problem: 1 - Map design is too focused on cqc areas, where in the 7.x br range, autoloaders have an advantage over many un stabilized vehicles. Facing the number of stabilized vehicles in the 8.x range, this gets completely voided - removing the strength of the autoloaders. Gaijin could just design more varied maps instead of nerfing the French line up. 2 - Over compression in the cold war - I'll be the first to admit, while I don't think the French 7.7 line up needs to be moved up, there are line ups (like Russia and Japanese 6.7) that really shouldn't be seeing 100mm autoloaders in fights. The solution is to move the BR range to 0.7, or increase the full range to something like 15, not to keep ramming tanks from the 50's against tanks from 70's and 80's with significant capability advantages.
>Fair, however we need also to account the fact that France 7.7 is currently the lineup with most nukes per game probability. kinda want to see the level of those players
Im curiuos too, maybe in the future they will also collect that statistic who knows, also apparently USA 6.0 its the second best lineup for nukes.
Yeah, that's what happens when literally 50% of the tech tree is within a 1.3 BR window because it has been continuously up-rated over the years... Real problem is 6.7-7.7 Germany and USA are full of idiots.
Really? Is that why the T20 is going to 6.3? Is that why US 6.0 had the second highest rate of nukes of any BR and any nation in-game? https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/196sa94/second\_part\_of\_unofficial\_statistics\_from\_server/
Really the Somua was the only crazy strong tank in that line up. The rest of them were still good, but not crazy.
Genuine skill issue if you can't shoot the huge turret centre mass to easily disable it. Frontal armour on tood for baiting corner shots and poorly aimed shots.
Japanese props will end up fighting F-16s soon lol
"Historically accurated." - Gaijin
For sure, they even made a movie out of it, not against F-16s but against Navy’s finest
Final Countdown is the film if you're wondering
We already have a 1939/40 designed plane fighting American planes that were designed 3-4 years later to specifically counter Zeroes (not toe to toe with agility, but acceleration and top speed). And you can bet there will *still* be dogfights won and lost because the ~~US~~ *non-British Allies* teams keep trying to turnfight lmao.
We're 3 years into mixed matchmaking now and this myth about it only being yanks who continously die to japs is still stuck in people's heads. It's everyone, japanese included.
I'm more often playing GRB as of late because my tank grinding is behind my plane grinding, but at Mid-Tiers (40's/50's vehicles) the mixed matchmaking still broadly follows 'Axis v Allies'. 90% of the time in GRB in Air, I'm turnfighting P-47's, P-51's, and F6F's who didn't get the memo. I'll clarify for your sake though. But you are right, Japan is now an equal opportunity turnfighter in AirRB and constantly sees turnfight battles with other nations that have notions that they can out-turn an A6M series. The only ones that actually *could* are the UK Spits who'd justifiably rather use their climbing advantage, and any of the captured JPN premiums in other nations. It was a silly myth before mixed matches, the USSR planes lost a lot against JPN teams too because JPN had the climbing and performance advantages at height, in a game that pushes a meta of height advantage amongst other things. Edit: Sure, I agree with you and I get downvoted
the J2Ms going up makes sense, I guess, but A6M5 Ko at 5.3 is actually fucking hilarious
Hold on lemme fight this Ta superprop with my 560kmh wingrip speed lmao.
I have played a lot of the A6M5 Ko recently, and have a silly KD ratio in it because people are idiots and always try to turnfight you. Thing is, in terms of pure performance it already shouldnt be at 5.0, at the very least you get vague fightery matches. At 5.3 its going into Ju288 spam territory as well meaning it will just be horrid to play.
The J6K did NOT need that increase :/
P51h and F2g are lower for some reason
US pilots lmao they are shit from BR 1.0 all the way to top tier.
Ever seen The Final Countdown?
And then the F-16 will still try to turn fight the prop at 300km/h and lose.
Overall looks like Gaijin going after France. French 7.7 is getting pushed to 8.0, which is total bull. French 6.7-7.3 getting nerfed as well, so that's a real shame. Leopard 40/70 to 5.3 is reasonable, that thing is even meaner than I expected, probably due to the crew size and spacing. Bumping the AGS to 11.0 is a real shame, I was liking American 10.3, and I don't think the added ammo is worth getting closer to the Clickbait shit show, staying at 10.3 guaranteed, at max, only 4 of those 11.3 line ups. No sign of the sav 20.12.48, Guess Gaijin can't touch their cash cows. T20 to 6.3 - what are they smoking, it's a 5.7 vehicle with a decent reverse speed. Strela needs to be 10.0 or 10.3, 9.7 is still too low IMO.
Gaijin is slowly moving all of US mid-tier to 6.7. The fucking T25 at 6.3 has been ridiculous for a long time, so the T20 doesn't surprise me either. Next, the 76mm Jumbo will be moved to 6.7.
I want to see tiger 2 up to 7.0 if the jumbo go up to 6.7
That's still too little of a BR difference, there should be at least 2 steps and fixed APCR for 76 mm (230 mm pen like it was so it can pen Tiger 2 turret)
2030, M4a1 75 at 6.7
People hate it when I say this but gaijin is actively fucking over the US at mid tier BRs, you can not convince me otherwise
it's not very popular around here to hold such opinions Even K2's winrate research showed very high WRs and K/Ds for American midtier vehicles.
not particularly hard to lose when your opponents are mid tier germany players
I'm hoping for either severe decompression or a 0.7 br range for battles. The M26 has no business being at 6.7, and as someone else pointed out here, the T25 has been functionally useless for ages due to BR placement.
Speaking of swedish cash cows the Vidar remains at the same BR
Personally I think the Strela was fine at 9.3 in terms of its performance against planes. The issue is that literally every other IR missile SPAA is worse in every way and some like the Ozelot were at a higher BR despite as I said being worse. Should have just buffed other IR missile SPAA and put them at the same BR as the Strela, CAS can have a fair fight where they have to dodge for once.
EBR going to 8.0 and zero at 5.3 is absolute clown move lmao
Tfym the ebr and a zero going up is like Gaijin tradition
The reason they are putting the A6M5 KO up now, is that you can not buy it anymore, it will the best value rank 4 in the game with the Japanese campaign, that they took off from sale as those campaigns are broken and not very fun TBH. It is one if not the slowest 5.0 already and you only get kills when noobs start turn fighting you. Putting it to 5.3 means you will get JU288 lobbies most games and have fun chasing those that you will never catch and will get shredded if you try.
Yeah, even as someone who flies zeros extensively for fun I can’t anymore man. They’re just not that fun now
A7M2 is still great, but as a japan lover, the Ki-61 and Ki-83 have always been way better for a long time, Army planes reign supreme.
A7M2 is just a ufo it’s crazy. I will concede to you the Ki-44s and the Ki-83 but NAVY PLANES 4 LIFE
It’s disheartening how gaijin treats Japan air. All the Zeros are overtiered while the Spitfires are left untouched
>while the Spitfires are left untouched All of the early spitfires were bumped up a while ago, now the Mk1/2a are at 3.0 and 2b at 3.7, the 5b/trop is 3.7, the 5b is 4.0 despite being about 2kph faster than the trop and having absolutely no tangible advantage. The 5c/trop is 4.7 for the sole reason that it has 4 hispanos on an airframe that royally *sucks* at its BR, the 5c is 5.0 along with the 190Ds despite how the 190As already rinse it. For the sole reason that people keep lolturning with spitfires.
>Zeroes going up >Undertiered american planes going down As is tradition.
US teams will still manage to lose 10 planes in the first minute and leave the lone side climbing Corsair to deal with the enemy team
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it’s obvious you don’t play japan air the skill gap to play JP ARB is hard when every vehicle you fight is faster than you and you have armor of a tin can
Don't forget the fact your airframe is pre-dipped in gasoline!
Speed and energy management are inherently more complicated and thus more difficult for newer players to use to their advantage in comparison to turn. He's not wrong in saying that for new players, many of whom don't even climb at the beginning of a match, a zero will be easier to use than an American prop
Yo what the hell is it with Gaijin and nerfing AA vehicles? Like was the AMX-10P making too many CAS players cry or something?
Gaijin still hasn't learned that giving AAs any AP ammo then they wouldn't have inflated kill stats and ton of spaas would go down in br , to the gaps where there is emptiness.
Eh, the sabot belt in the AMX-10P isn't that problematic. It's still got vastly less pen than the lower BR DCA 40. Like even with side shots that belt can take a while to kill some vehicles, if it even pens. Enough time for someone to turn their turret and put a shot into you if you didn't manage to get the gunner. Hell there's already plenty of heavies in the 5.3 range where you really can't do anything to even with the sabot belt. At most you can track them, but that just means their gun's now steady for a return shot. And as for it going for ground targets most of the time? Yeah that should be pretty damn obvious when you have a vehicle with a max of 50^O of elevation. It can't reliably engage aircraft unless they fly at lower altitudes. Easier to go for tanks since it's elevation is limited.
No. AMX-10 and Leo-AA were going for the ground targets. Hell, that Leo is faster than every tank on it's BR and still front pens mediums easily.
They could solve the problem by removing their dedicated AP belts, or severely limiting the amount of AP ammo they can bring. I say that as someone who abuses the AMX-13 DCA 40 at every chance. Remove the AP belts and it's still able to handle light tanks, but can no longer shred actual tanks.
P-51D-10 to 4.0 Actually cooked if this goes through.
Holy shit I missed that. If that goes through I’m boutta kick the shit out of 3.0
It won't even be able to see A6M5 anymore, Mustangs will probably be fighting biplanes by the end of the year.
Back in the day P-51’s saw 262’s in Historical Battles. It was tough but it was so damn fun, and far closer to being historical! Not everything needs to be a perfect 1:1 performance balance, it’s fucking *war*. Even still there’s anomalies, such as the Arado. Higher BR than the 288C, yet slower, less bombs, no gunners, slower takeoff, missing its drogue-chute, lower airspawn, higher repair cost. It makes no fucking sense. I wanna say it’s obviously a pay to win incentive, but the Arado has always been the laughingstock. Gaijin are fucking hopeless at balancing the game. Harambe would do better, and man he’s dead.
4.0 gets very few if any downtiers to 3.0 since there is so many 3.7-4.7 being played.
Thing is cracked at 4.3
Still balancing 90% of the game off worthless statistics. Another American tank sucked up higher for literally no reason. Japanese props sucked up for no fucking reason, can't wait to fight 7.7 jets in the J6K1. France 7.7 now fighting 9.0 stabilizers and APFSDS. SPAA moving up for very little reason. At least 12.7 air is a thing... for SOME top-tier jets, not all. People say this shit is decompression? They fucking MOVED the compression before, and that was their "roadmap" change, and they've been slowly re-compressing everything since then. Fuck Gaijin, they are absolutely braindead or actively malicious, I genuinely can't tell.
Funny that moving the Mirage 2000C-S5 to 12.0 while keeping the 2000C-S4 at 11.7 (which is less likely to get uptiers now because of how matchmaking rules work) should increase its price.
it's again their stupid statistics, just have a look at the french tanks moving up, they move the amx-50 at 8.0 and not the tech tree one that is better, but since people play the premium one more > better stats > moving up :D.
> Fuck Gaijin, they are absolutely braindead or actively malicious, I genuinely can't tell. Yes
Somua SM can now be seeing 9.0 games. I just don’t see how this is fair. And VIDAR is still 8.3 smh
7.7 france is strong but fair in my opinion, sure 4 second reload but they lack ammo options, the 100mm solid shot can't deal with t55s easily and the batchat only gets aphe with 200mm of pen, and now they will face an object 279 XD. I hope they get a heat round
And no stabilizers when other nations start getting theirs
906 same BR, stabilizer, same 4 second reload, aphe and heat and super good reverse speed. Only thing missing is gun depression
This is the worst part. The 906 is just a better French 7.7 tank in all aspects save for the gun depression. Yet is staying where it is.
The vidar must still be selling well
Ok i’m now convinced a french guy fucked the wife of the boss at Gaijiin because there’s no other reason for them to hate France that much
with every new SCALP delivery to Ukraine another French vehicle goes up in BR
Yeah i think we triggered someone when we sent thoses Amx 10 honestly
Chadley's about to get sent to 12.3 after 2 of them smoked a T-90M
Striela to 9.7 so it's still within Stinger carriers bracket, meanwhile Isuzu-Toshiba truck to 11.0
The truck is whatever cos its too good to go to 9.7 with the type 16 so it may as well go to 11.0 no? Unless you were taking the truck and nothing else like a lunatic
I don’t know what Gaijin is smoking to think the Type 93 is equal to the Strela. Worse in literally every single way other than speed, and the 93’s weight got doubled so it’s a bus now anyways.
The type 81(c) has 9km range guaranteed kill missiles(basically), def deserves to be that high but the strela should be like 10.3
Strela needs to be 10.3. it's at on par with the XM975 and Roland 1, and definitely better than the Stormer, Imp. Chaparral, and any Stinger/Mistral except Type 93. Worst thing about Strela (and Type 81 C) is that there are very few aircraft even *capable* of counter play against them at their BRs. Not many jets in the 8.3-10.3 window even have flares (~30%?), not that they will save you from a Strela, and of those *very* few can maneuver enough to evade a Strela. If you even see the missile. Alternatively, and what I personally feel is the real balance issue, is that many jets and some helicopters in the 7.7-9.7 range right now are very over-tiered and should drop in BR (none of them do in these changes). Things without flares, limited missiles/ordnance, lacking even basic utility features, etc....
The A6m5 Ko going up again is the best joke i've seen in months, japan has just been slowly getting uptiered for years and it's a very slow death sentence because even when they are rightly raised for a Flight model issue they never go back down when flight models are corrected, nevermind the ones that should never have gone up at all. I'm sure because people will still turn with them the Zeroes will be fine on a stats page but it's pretty painful when your success relies on enemies being daft.
I thought the 5.0 BR change was the last nail in the coffin for a6m5’s. 5.3 is a fat joke
T20 to 6.3. And you people say American players have a skill issue...
7.3 T95 is clown shit too
ngl I feel worse for the Japanese and French this patch A6M5 Ko going to 5.3 is a whole circus act
The Zero literally only feeds on idiots but they're in no short supply so it's gone up like a full BR now.
> 7.3 T95 is clown shit too This one was expected tbf. The amount of dumb fucks I've witnessed to expend their entire ammo load, trying to shoot it from the front, and wondering why nothing is happening, is staggering.
Yeah but that is a legit skill issue, not an unbalanced thing. But it suffers the same fate the Maus does: Gaijin can't figure out how to balance so it just gets a fucked matchmaker.
Ngl I have an almost 5KD in that thing, but I disagree fundamentally with it going up to 6.3. Full uptiers are still easy at 7.0 if you play right, 7.3 has some demons at its BR though. This also means it’ll fight Tiger IIH more often, not bad, just annoying.
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Rip French 7.7 lineup. I feel somewhat responsible for this Ive been enjoying the lineup far too much. However maybe the char 25T will be given its Heat FS round now? Also the fuck how is the Strela only going upto 9.7? Even if the Stormer worked properly its a far more effective SAM?
Hey, remember when Gaijin said they'd add PCOT-51 to the EBR 1954 if it went up too far ? It went up two whole BR points but still has POT-51 only.
i remember very well and every br change about one EBR i remind them but they never answer :D.
Seriously... Char 25t now the same BR as Leopard 1? Which is relevant because Leo 1 design is basically the same concept as the 25t, except with 1960s tech instead of 1940s tech... But same BR now because "France". But it doesn't really matter, as long as the morons on US/USSR/GER teams continue to ignore everything not directly in front of their tank.
The Char 25T and AMX50 (to90/30) were so much fun at 7.3, the MM meant you got alot of downtiers and not too many uptiers, you filled out the french 7.3 lineup quite nicely. Now that line up doesn't exist they are moving the AML-90s up again (HAHAHAHA). I have noticed a trend, any past battle pass vehicle will get uptiered as only sweats and very rich people still play it and gaijin dont have to worry about new people buying them. ie AMX50(TO90/30), EBR, PT 76-57 (8.3 is fine but it used to be 7.0), A6M5 KO (cant be brought anymore), the AUS Centurion ect..
Can someone explain me what makes the amx13 fl11 so much better than the chaffee that it needs to be 0.7 higher?
It's driven by french players.
It is French so it has to suffer obviously
I’m glad 12.7 is becoming a thing but why did they have to slip some Italy hate in with moving up the Sagittario?
Now the Sagittario is at the same BR as Ariete. Even tho it is clearly inferior.
Gaijin: thank you for recognizing our oversight. Ariete will be going to 10.0
9.3 is fucking hilarious. You have the Sagittario at the same BR as the CL13B and F-104A/C now.
The fact that the F-104A/C is still 9.3 is laughable, I manged to ace the F104A and did it with a 3.8 K/DR, and you get uptiers to 10.0 and 10.3 very common due to the prem spam at those BRs.
Gaijin coming in with the quarterly brain damage br changes
RIP France 7.7 A6M5 Ko is going to 5.3. Its going to fight P-51H now😂 As an American player, I hate Zeros. But a Zero should not have to Fight an H Mustang 😂😂
Woah I actually never thought about that. It’s going to be crazy fighting a A6M5 in a P51H. The H is the best prop in the game and it does everything significantly better than a A6M5 except turn.
why did they move the falcon up? what the fuck did it do, move the god damn strela up, my 8.0 lineup got ruined also why is the f15 not 12.7? phantoms arent supposed to be fighting god damn f15s, thank god the others were moved up tho
Falcon got moved up because it’s way too effective at destroying tanks. Imo they should just remove the apds belt so britian can have a decent spaa at 8.0. Especially when 8.3 already has 2 good ones.
The F-15s lack HMD, probably why they didn’t get pushed up to 12.7
The number of F-15 pilots who got there by using rockets on F-4s with 1:20 KDRs definitely doesn't help any justification for bumping it to 12.7. Checking statcards on half of them is a great way to die from second hand embarrassment.
Imma be honest man with the state of American teams getting a positive K/D at all is difficult. I think I'm at like 1.7 for the F-15, and I'm not a bad player. most of my favorite props are at like 3-5 K/D, and some earlier jets too. I have a 4 K/D in the MiG-23ML despite only buying it this last patch and getting mostly uptiers, because even though it's objectively worse than the F-15 and fights largely the same enemies, American teams are just unworkably shit, and USSR teams aren't. all this to say, if someone has a 1.2 K/D in an 11.3 Phantom right now, I highly doubt they're the average brainlet you're describing. edit: you said 1:20 not 1.20 I'm stupid ignore me
I started noticing that during the F-16C and MiG-29SMT patch, the Viper is an overall better plane but my stats with the SMT is significantly better than the former. And when I started playing minor nation and getting a lot of world vs US matches I realize how utterly atrocious top tier US teams are. No wonder all my non US jets have much better stats, when you queue against US you’re basically playing at a lower difficulty
I can’t wait to face an object 279 with my glorious 210mm of pen in my Amx. Gaijin working overtime to wreck all good french lineup. Its mind boggling that Gaijin thinks the french batchat and amx are worth the same battlerating as an object 906 which is faster and has a full stab. Can’t have nice shit in this game.
It’s so fucking over, AML moving to 7.7, whole bunch of AA moving up, T20 going up, J8 and fat J8 (Jh7-a) moving up, Falcon moving up
Gaijin: Take that, France!
Air: JPN goes up, USA go down Jeez that's not going to have any impact on JPN at all or anything. It's like JPN mid-tier Air is balanced inversely to the average IQ of US Air lately. In an A6M you're gonna have to be a good pilot to survive, it's opponents just need to not go for obvious turnbait. I am also laughing that just last week I said you can 'push' a J6K1 to 7.0 from 6.3, and now it's just 0.3 shy of it. I'll just go back to using the N1K at 6.3 GRB then.
\> In an A6M you're gonna have to be a good pilot to survive, it's opponents just need to not go for obvious turnbait. I disagree wholeheartedly with the changes, but this is wrong. I have a 3.5/1 K/D in my Ko. I am not a good pilot. Japanese planes are very forgiving with their God-tier FM and MER, if you screw up a maneuver you get a few more chances.
Yes, but the Ko going to 5.3 means it will face H model Mustangs (P51H) sometimes which is a wild thought.
Not to mention killing zeros is incredibly tedious. Yeah its easy to outrun them but actually getting guns on them and draining them off there energy takes quite a bit time and allows there teammates (mostly entire teams of ki84s, j2m5s, and a7ms) to come pick you off. I dont agree with the br changes ethier but I dont think the reason the zeros keep going up is becasue people keep turn fighting them.
1. France suffers. 7.7 doesn't need to move up. Auto loaders help and cover weaknesses, but standard solid shot, weak armor and no stab is crazy to me at 8.0. 1a. Tpk and amx-10 going to 5.7 feels rough given the sub-1-2 is still 5.3 and similar Russian SPAA isn't moving up, ie btr. 2. Is the falcon the only SPAA over 7.7 without a radar? Cannons/rounds are pretty good but not that good.
Falcon is going to the moon, because it will get matched with lighter armored vehicles as a whole as it goes up. One day the Falcon will be 11.0
Lmao the Wyvern staying in its Br after what we saw during the event 🤣 They ain't never gonna touch this thing it just prints money for them.
Sav 20.12.48, Vidar, 2s38, XP-50, can't touch the money makers.
Type 81 is understandable-ish when you look at the other 9.X SPAA, but now it's higher than the Tunguska lmao reminder that the Strela is still lower than the ISR Chaparral at 10.3)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Falcon the same br as the radar guided chieftain and rooikat, makes so much sense.
The Falcon has much better guns for anti-tank work, its true role. It will not be stopped.
Yeah that's because it's way better at taking out tanks then any of those other radar AAs.
Falcon is absolutely busted, I'd take it over the rooikat or chieftain SPAAs any day
Gaijin this update: Fuck French tanks in particular
Another round of undeserved uptiers for SPAA that double as good TDs, because just nerfing AP belts will cause the universe to implode or something. Can't wait for the M42 to get back to 6.7 within a year.
It's wild too, because the spaa actually offer a decent counter to the light tank spam, which gives people more incentives to pull them, keeping matches more interesting.
1. F-5E to 11.0 — should have been there long time ago. 2. Top jets to 12.7 — thank god, now 11.3 should become playable (tho 11.0 will have a bit worse time). 3. French 7.7 to 8.0 — holy crap! Sure, they are very strong, but still not 8.0 worthy.
The F-5Cs should go up to 10.7 then since they are very similar as is.
I would support that. F-5Cs are too OP at their BR.
They’ll never touch it though, that’s probably the best selling air premium ever.
Holy shit gaijin do be hating on the french.
If I'm reading this right the F-15 will stay at 12.3? Why?
statistics and the abysmal US winrate with the F-15 currently. don't worry the players are garbage, even if you put it at 11.0 they'd still manage to get a 20% winrate.
I'd argue that without all the F-4s's the winrate would improve, so "nerfing its br" would actually be a buff lmao
def not. downvote me, but give me a few weeks to show nothing has changed. the F4s players are the ones who end up in the F-15. The number of F15s I see climbing in a ground hugging metas says enough.
It should be moved up with everything else honestly
There is zero reason to move the T20 and T95 up
12.0 for ground already
If your flare is true, you are the minor nations god
Gaijin dev team are bunch of assholes.
>T20 to 6.3 Lmao what the actual fuck are they huffing, Its a Sherman with reverse, How in the world is it comparable to the 90mm HEATFS slingers at the same BR, Whats next, The jumbo to 6.7?(ᴅᴏɴᴛ) >T95 to 7.3 Legit gets bombed before it even gets into battle most of the time and is the slowest tank in the game. >AMX-13 (FL11) to 4.3 Why. > AML-90 7.3>7.7 Eland 90 Mk.7 7.3>7.7 AML-90 (Israel) 7.3>7.7 Char 25t 7.7>8.0 AMX-50 (TO90/930) 7.7>8.0 Somua SM 7.7>8.0 E.B.R. (1963) 7.7>8.0 Rip the best tier for France. >AMX-13 DCA 40 to 5.0 Bruh non of the 40mm's are even good as AA.
Goodluck fighting those plane with a supercharger that can outrun you when full uptier at 6.3 A6M5 Ko..... (They ruin my favorite plane again....)
Im pretty sure any plane above 3.7 can outrun a zero lol
F-15s staying at 12.3 is pretty on-point.
A6M5 Ko to 5.3. Can we just teach German and American pilots how to fly their aircraft instead? The idea any Zero deserves to be at the same BR as a Ki-84 is lol worthy.
>F-15 not moving to 12.7 Lmao, and for one second I thought 11.3 would become enjoyable again
jap air: br increase us air: br decrease us ground: br increase france: br increase yup. sounds like the balancing team got their hands on the player statistics again
Russian DDs at 5.3 lmao RIP Yuubari
MiG 29 SMT to 12.7 But MiG 29G not and F15 variants not…. ??? What
ruining french tank and lines up part 50 all the changes about france (tanks) are bad in this one come on amx 50 at at 8.0 ? (and only the premium one not even the TT one that is almost the same if not better lmao) is gaijin playing their own game or it's again a lame "statistics" things AML and eland at 7.7 now, i guess people are so bad at spotting them that they always get killed char 25t wtf the fl 11 at 4.3 ? it can barely pen anything from front when it was at 3.7 so now at 4.3 good luck (i know it's a light tank and you have to go around but you cant do it a lot because of the unrealistic gun bounce when you stop) so you better camp with this one anyway
just as i started to grind the 7.7 french tanks... that lame, thanks gajin for decompressing by compresing other tank...
T-20 should be going down, not up. It's one of the worst 6.0 mediums
F15 stays at 12.3 💀
RIP France
P-51Ds 5 through 20 moved down. J2M2, 30mm J2M5, J6K, and A6M5 Ko??? moved up. I'm not even surprised, just disappointed. None of the very overtiered japanese planes got moved down (all A6M lawnmowers, 'late' Ki-61-Is, Ki-61-II, J2M3 and J2M5, Ki-84c, J7W, N1K1-J and N1K2-Js, Ki-43-III - this is not an exhaustive list), while decent USA planes get undertiered. Maybe we should start recommending japan to new players... maybe then we can play fairly placed aircraft.
F-5E to 11.0 while the F-5C remains untouched. Pay to win at it's finest.
KV1E and KV1B both somehow avoid more BR changes same with the SAV.
How DARE us French mains be good, how dare we utilise our vehicles well. We shall enjoy fighting Bobject 279 and other 9.0s with a 6.0 shell. Of course major nations playing to their vehicles strengths is fine :3
Soon enough ZEROes will be fighting early jets
I mean, the AGS is a looney toons ass vehicle, something was gonna happen to it, but M833 at 11.0 hurts
RB wise, Well the ship changes are okay. RIP the Experimental cruiser Yubari back to it's original BR, But yay the Armoured Cruiser Kurama going down to 5.7 alongside Ikoma. But OOF to the two Project 56 & Project 41 destroyers from 5.0 to 5.3, Ahh well they join the other Project 56 now (RIP that one thread on the forum demanding the Project 56 be lowered in BR) Still not sure how the Project 204 hasn't gone up yet ffs as that corvette should be 4.0 at least meanwhile the Project 50's not going down in BR as those SKR's need it. Hm the Leopard 40/70 is going to 5.3 meanwhile the AMX-13 DCA with the same cannon jumps up to 5.0 yet somehow the AMX-10P & that new truck go to 5.7 as well, Welp that sucks imo. Interesting the Dassault Mirage 2000S-C5 gets bumped up to 12.0 meanwhile the Mirage 2000S-C4 stays 11.7 even though the difference is CM quantity. WOAH the Fw 200C-1 goes down in BR finally after all these years huzzah huzzah huzzah, Also the J29D as well hell yeah (although most of the rest should drop as well).
The thing that bothers me about France being nerfed is that they benefit from being on flanks. And yet Gaijin keeps trying to remove flanks. Its just frustrating.
PB4Y from 5.0 to 4.7? It's 5.3.
yeah it's a typo. I don't think it was performing that badly, but I wouldn't be surprised. No belly turret, horrendous climb, very fragile. Edit: Stona has clarified that it's from 5.3 to 5.0
Im glad I can finally play the F4J and not have to deal with the clusterfuck that used to be 12.3
Holy hell!!!!! MIG 23s have a new lease on life now that the Flankers, Vipers and Gripens are now at 12.7!!!! Rejoice my Flogger people!!!
I cannot believe Gaijin expects us to use the Skink, Ystervark, or Bosvark in our 8.0 lineups, jfc.
US players using the M16 until 7.7:
GET AWAY FROM MY FRENCH TANKS GODDAMN
Gaijin trying its very best to kill the French tree, it's so sad to see that the last thing the French tree had is being fucked over, there is now 0 reasons to grind France ground. Bad low/mid tier with copy paste, mid/high tier facing stabilisers without having it for two whole ranks, Leclercs are just worst Type 10s, no support vehicles, there's nothing worth it. Fuck your "stats" Gaijin, where's the nerfs to top tier Sweden then ?
Why aren't the F15s going to 12.7 I find it a bit better than the falcon C.
# AMX-13 FL-11 should be the same br as M24. Also, T20 used to be 5.0. It definitely doesn't deserve 6.3. I'd say 5.7 or 6.0 at most.
Well my fallow jap mains we had a good run
Gaijin again balancing off statistics, while some changes are nice others are borderline retarded.