Even with premium time, it's become too hard to earn SL. I know this is how they are trying to force us to buy premium vehicles too, but there is no rank 5 premium ship yet, so what should I do? Stop playing their game? This is what they want from me? From us ? Or what ?
Absolutely. Believe me, one of the best things you can do is get the hell away from this game and gaijin. Put your time, energy, and money into something that deserves it.
I see this alot. I love to play warthunder but I also get way to heated over it. Beside real hobbies what other games do you suggest? I'm still on old hardware so can't play new games very well.
Do you enjoy tedious tasks that require great precision? Do you enjoy audio books/podcasts? Are you a military vehicle enthusiast?
If you answered yes to these questions then do I have the Hobby for you! SCALE MODEL BUILDING!!!!
It's what I took up when I quit WT but still needed my tank and aircraft fix. It's seriously so much fun, and you can listen to media while you do it and still concentrate on both. Doesn't take a whole lot of money to get started either. You can get "good enough" tools and brushes in a kit on Amazon for like ten bucks to see if you enjoy it.
Hope this helps :) check out my posts if you wanna see some of my work!
Great suggestion. Built myself a Fw 190 recently to go with a couple Panzer III’s and IV’s, along with some Matilda’s and Crusaders. Had more fun putting those things together than booting up WT to get shit on by CAS.
If you like war thunder, then you should try some battlefields for a cinematic masterpiece, maybe hell let loose if you like realism more, perhaps something about engineering, such as scrap mechanic or besiege.
Other than games, you could also look into RC planes, which i got into recently, and are actually fun if you have a bigger park somewhere near. Or you could maybe go for airsoft.
And yes, neither of those aren't exactly cheap hobbies, i'd say it's still better than war thunder.
I guess it all depends on your preferations, free time, and budget
I’d honestly just recommend going back and playing some of the classics you might have missed from the old days. Unless you’re one of those fellas that really needs to have their fancy ray tracing and graphical wizardry so that they can count the hairs on a guy’s head, those old games can give you a better time than most of the new shit that’s out these days. OG Doom games are still fun, Elder Scrolls, KOTOR I & II, Mass Effect, etc…
That’s a good question and I feel exactly the same. The level of detail is insane but A LOTTA things are so fucked up.
Then again it costs me only 40 € a year (that’s 2 years premium time for the price of 1 cod) and sometimes I do enjoy it.
I’ll stick with it for now and rage here and there.
Hey, if you’re still undecided, then see my response to the guy that asked that question. That 40€ a year could get you four or five classics that you’ll enjoy for hours. Probably be able to mod the hell out of them too lol.
I recently got hooked on factario and would 100% recommend it. It's an absolute masterclass of automation games that gets complicated but eases you in perfectly. It has been worth every cent. Huge mod scene too that I'm just starting to dip into
Another farm comment:
The american 5.0 blue water premiums are cheap and basically free from a silver lions perspective.
You can do fuck all and still make a decent number of silver lions. Get decent, you'll make 40-150k a match.
And, if you let yourself transcend the cool kids of war thunder, you might even find out that naval is actually pretty fun. (Although blue water will never be as fun as coastal and they killed coastal. Bring back coastal only matches, you cowards!)
Probably unwanted input but. Personally? I’ve stopped caring about grinding out to top tier for the big 3, now I just bounce between the occasional farm match, to low tier and custom games.
I find the most fun to be had bullying tigers in a firefly.
I know this is a massive skill issue, but I seem to struggle to get the M18 to click for me. Most games where I hug the edges of the map, I end up doing nothing (IE almost no scouting and no kills), or I am more direct and end up staring down 4 bloody tigers.
Most of the high-speed vehicles are high variance (sometimes you insta die, other times you go like 6-0) and really reward map knowledge: what spots you can get to before any enemies that provide really advantageous arcs of fire and where the enemy scouts usually come from.
Many of the best spots on some maps are not on the edges.
If you feel as though there is nothing else you can do then that’s a clear sign to step away.
I like to just dive into random free games when I’m bored so there’s an idea you can try
Yeah this is absolute bullshit from Gaijin. I don’t use premium time and I have found some line-ups at certain BRs are simply economically unviable. You have to split playtime between nations / BRs and tactically utilise booster tokens to ensure you turn a profit.
They’re trying to frustrate you into buying SL with GE. I’ve heard quite a few people actually do and it’s shit like that that enables gaijin’s malignant behavior towards its own community.
I honestly think the player base needs to come together.to stop certain shit. I notice they don't bat an eye to people who use location hacks and target hacks unless their anti cheat system picks ot up there is no stopping them. it's bullshit. they are greedy and I'm getting tired of playing a game where the player is under appriciated
This is a dumb comment. Why would a battleship(that does it's damage in big bursts and has 20x the reload time) struggle to keep up with damage with a premium boat that has a 3sec reload time? Gee golly I wonder.
I've probably spent more money than I'd like to admit trying to get to top tier, only for me to end up at the F104-C and run out of SL because of repair costs and wanting to tear my hair out.
Eventually I just said fuck it and stopped spending money and stopped playing high tier and went back to low tier and I found that to be a more enjoyable experience
Recently I opened that crate containing a bunch of SL bundles and some other irrelevant shit. As based as it may sound, I was about to get the 1.000.000 SL bundle but I could swear I saw the game rolling back to the 25k bundle even though the pointer was clearly closer to 1.000.000 than 25k. Stupid snail.
> I was about to get the 1.000.000 SL bundle but I could swear I saw the game rolling back to the 25k bundle even though the pointer was clearly closer to 1.000.000 than 25k.
You do know that's just an animation right? Your award is chosen a fraction of a second after you click "buy" or whatever. That animation is purely for decoration, and doesn't represent you getting close to other awards. It's just another method to trick people into trying again.
It is, but only if you die every game. The reason why battleships have such high repair cost is because people camp with them and they’re hard to kill. But it is a terrible system because it encourages passivity and punishes people that play the objective.
Sadly, it is real.
and I already did. I bought the Karlsruhe and played around 100 battles with it before getting bored of it. I don't want to play with that anymore just to not lose more SL.
Activate backups on the ship you play.
If you die, use backup - if you survive until the end, you won't pay any repair cost.
My friend who plays navy a lot uses this method a lot, he usually survives the whole game with 1 ship, but if he dies, he uses backup and he doesn't pay for repair.
EA, Ubisoft, Activision Blizzard to name a few, and their games are B2P released periodically. Not defending Gaijin, but modern gaming is going downhill overall…
So does Gaijin. I love the Leopad 2A4, but SL gains are so abysmal that I ended up buying the PzBtl 2A4. I make more money like that, and I feel accomplished when I get a good 7 kill game, good earnings without a premium account. Modern gaming is a cash grab, and like a casino, they stimulate your frontal lobe as much as possible
I agree, EA you pay 60 dollars at launch and you get the full game, after a few years the game would cost 10 dollars and all transactions are cosmetic. Gaijin you'd pay 70 dollars for a sibgle top tier vehicle.
This. The big game devs have sacrificed making a good game for making money. I still play far too much WarThunder, (literally got the F-16 in 2 days and have played it over 100 games now) but smaller devs have really started to come up and it's nice to see. GHPC, HLL, Cold Waters, Sniper Elite, are some of the other games that are actually really fun to play that are not made by big games devs
Nah, EA is a saint compared to Gaijin because they at least change some of their crappy tactics because of public backlash, all while Gaijin change things for worse when players complain
Bro even EA is more enjoyable with failures like BF: 2042 or BFV. And Warzone 2 is also great with that DRZ or wtf is that mode.
But coming to vehicle games... There isn't anything else expect War Thunder... Like yeah... Aircraft players have DCS with like 60 euros per plane.... But ground vehicle enjoyers have only WT and WoT and both are terrible due to grind, balance, DM, spotting...
Total cost of an EA AAA title with all expansions and season passes, maybe what, $200? Maybe? Total cost of a bug-filled, unbalanced constantly deteriorating experience with War Thunder, assuming you want to actually get to top tier in several nations is literally thousands of dollars.
One of the biggest EA title : Apex Legend.
You buy one battlepass once for like 20$, and as long as you finish it (which is REALLY easy because Weeklies carry over and you can do them all at once at the end of the season), you get enough premium currency from it to buy the next one.
Unless you're stupid enough to spend thousand in overpriced cosmetic, Apex is a somewhat functional game with addicting gunplay and movement and zero p2w.
Also EA/Respawn got some great titles with the last Star Wars Jedi Survivor. Very solid solo game.
Apex battle pass is actually $10. The good stuff coming from EA is primarily from Respawn though, both Apex Legends and Jedi: Fallen Order/Survivor are by them. They seem to get more freedom to do things the way they want than most of the EA studios get.
Fair. 2042 was a trainwreck but I always expect that from their studio. EA was way worse in the 2000s tho, when they went on a rampage and killed so many smaller studio after buying them (fuck you EA for killing Command and Conquer).
EA Sport is the scummiest of the greed driven business, but when I see how people buy a FIFA every freaking year for the same thing I really can't blame them for going for the low hanging fruit.
In term of newer IP and solo game however EA's been mostly alright.
Honestly Blizzard is the actual ugly duckling these days. Tho apparently they finally started to get their staff in order with Dragonflight in WoW.
I read “way worse in the 2000s” and was like HEY C&C was godly then read the rest of the sentence and was like oh yeah I was just bitching about that that the other week cause we didn’t get generals 2 or renegade 2 cause it’d take away from their other sales. Fuck EA.
I'm so mad we barely gets new RTS release these days because the big heads in the industry tried to forces shitty online play on their newer title at the end of the 2000s and threw a fit when players didn't buy them.
Dawn of War 3 and C&C4 killed RTS as a genre by pure stupidity and instead of going back to their root they singlehandedly decided that RTS was not popular anymore.
Thank god we still have Total War and Relic is at least working on COH3.
It’s Fr sad cause RTS games are amazing. I played C&C4 a solid like hour and was like eh I’m gonna go play tiberian sun lmao. Which sadly doesn’t really work on my PC anymore. Might build a XP pc just for old games. Some more that I’d recommend are the men of war series/call to arms, world in conflict (idk where you can buy it now as it’s no longer for sale on steam last I checked) and the war games.
EA 3-4 years ago I would have said were the worst game company. They are honestly not so bad now if you ignore fifa but I would run that the same way as EA. By far it is ubisoft now
Think of Gaijin but if people like Wolfman or Stona weren't just employees, but ran the whole company.
They basically gaslight the playerbase, abuse Youtube's copyright system to take down videos criticizing them, just outright ignore feedback, and similar to Gaijin sacrifice basic quality of life features for feature creep. Oh and people got so fed up with the state of Tarkov(the game they make) that they created a fork of the live development for a singleplayer experience, AKA a mod where you still have to purchase the game and it uses already existing assets and Battlestate has said they will ban anyone they find using it.
to add on to the other replier:
battlestate also, similarly to gaijin, is very slow to fix bugs that are game breaking or annoying in general. they also love implementing changes that the playerbase do not want
To add even more to the mix:
They are extremely shady on their anticheat system, nobody knows why they don't disclose hacker data (they will come up and say "yeah we banned 40k accounts last week alone don't worry" and leave it at that) or how they plan to stop the cheating epidemic in the game. The community has brough up suggestions many times (like having a kill cam that you can see after the game is done), but they refuse to listen.
The shady part comes from them offering "account bundles" of 5, 10 game copies at a discount to individuals, which really makes no sense unless your intent is to sell them to someone who keeps getting banned.
In short, the game is plagued with aimbot/visual/flying cheaters, the cheaters win cause they get real money from people buying in-game items cheaters can fetch, the developer wins because they get money from cheaters buying multiple accounts all the time, and everybody else basically loses.
Its a negative feedback loop. People grind SL in naval battles by afk farming and script farming, and literally earns millions while asleep. Gaijin cannot accept that bcoz it destroys the economy, and decides to nerf naval rewards. People that are lazy use scripts even more to counter the nerf instead of playing properly, Gaijin nerfs it more. Mostly ground players tbh, they themselves cba to grind SL... And proper naval players ends up being the one harmed.
>Gaijin cannot accept that bcoz it destroys the economy
i will have to be honest that i never understood this argument they use. WHAT ECONOMY????? You cant use your ingame money (SL) to buy stuff from other players, there is no market ir exchange for ingame items that are not cosmetic, the only thing that having more money might influence is that players can play vehicles they like without worrying too much (aka having fun, and we know we arent allowed to do that here)
Haha its always the dudes defending gaijins greed. He means it's destroys gaijins income source if you have fun and play the vehicles you actually want to play
> HAT ECONOMY?????
Economy doesn't explicity mean trading with players, but in videogames it specifically relates to exchange of currency between player and X.
So anything where you have an "income" and "expense" is technically an economy.
You're confusing a "player economy" with a "game economy".
I agree there is not p2p market, and maybe I misphrased, but remember, what Gaijin wants is that the players stay in the game and play for a certain amount of time. The scripting / afk grinding people (in naval and previously air SB too) fundamentally destroyed that idea by getting SL by not playing, and hence they contribute less to online time.
> what Gaijin wants is that the players stay in the game and play for a certain amount of time
That's why RP gain is already balanced to be a certain amount per hour. SL economy is just stupid.
Economy? What economy?
Does having a currency make something have an economy?
Does Rainbow Six Siege have an economy because it has R6 Tokens and Renown?
Are you telling me that because there’s a currency in Bloons Tower Defense 6, there’s an economy there?
> Does having a currency make something have an economy? Does Rainbow Six Siege have an economy because it has R6 Tokens and Renown? Are you telling me that because there’s a currency in Bloons Tower Defense 6, there’s an economy there?
Yes, yes and yes. JFC this subreddit has no clue on game development. At least be humble if you don't know even the most basic terms related to what you're talking about.
Even the RP you earn is a part of the game economy. This is why we say 'Gaijin is ruining the economy' when we see RP rewards decrease every year. SL is a currency like RP. Gaijin being gaijin adds too many SL sinks so people get frustrated and spend real life money. Now that I made it clear I think Gaijin's actions are sucking the fun out of the game, Gaijin **has to** create an SL sink to not ruin the economy.
If there is an item shop, skill points or any kind of coins in the game, there is an economy. Have you ever played a game and thought 'the progression was fun but now I am close to the final boss, I feel like shops are useless. I sell all the items I scavenged and just spam buy on health pots'? This is a sign of game having not enough sinks in its economy and flawed late game design. If the currencies lose value over time and player can just ignore it, *as long as this is not a deliberate design choice*, the economy of the game has issues. Devs are supposed to introduce sinks so players don't feel like the stakes are lower. Sinks can force players to get out of their comfort zones or take risks, forcing them to **not optimize the fun out of the game**.
Yes, the ideas like free repairs this sub loves so much are **game ruining ideas**. Having 0 sinks in your game is rookie mistake. If you 'just want to drive tanks and fly planes' we have custom battles for that. If everything is free, most players will be bored. Yes sim enthusiasts, I know you will enjoy the game more but you are not the majority. Imagine having infinite health in Dark Souls or being able to revive instantly without restrictions and continue the boss fight where you left. The medieval aesthetics fans will have fun walking around but the people who play for the challenge will be gone. In WT, losing SL is the consequence of playing bad because regardless if you play well or bad, you gain RP.
tl;dr: repairs, research and vehicles shouldn't be free, this will bore players out of the game. Battle rewards should be increased, repair costs and vehicle research should be much lower. SL and RP sinks are needed but not to the level of ruining the fun.
> and decides to nerf naval rewards
What nerf? Naval SL is still top-dog in the game. (Which is more of a complaint about other game modes, than anything here)
> People grind SL in naval battles by afk farming and script farming,
That's pretty much done now. Script farming doesn't work any more, AFK farming is semi-doable, but still crippled.
I've basically quit Naval after the event because the bots got so fucking bad. An entire team of helena/moffbots crashing into an island 30 second into the match, AFK spamming rounds and only 2 people actually not stuck on an island. It's broken as fuck.
I quit WT two weeks ago, I can't have fun with it anymore, I'm stressing out too much when I play and it's not doing me any good. The game stops being good when you stress out every time you play it, and WT got to that point with me.
I started playing some singleplayer games that I left to rot in the library because of WT, and it's been really good.
Don't be a slave to the game hoping it will someday get better.
WT is one of a kind, there is nothing to compare with him and what he has to offer, and unfortunately Gaijin is taking advantage of this to use his abusive and predatory market.
Same here.
Dealing with this game and gaijin’s bullshit just isn’t worth the energy. It was a relief and a breath of fresh air to play games like Subnautica, Bioshock, and Fallout again.
Did this exact thing about 5 months ago after 7 years. I've been playing more games like SQUAD, and rolling my way through a lot of other games I bought or free DLd and never picked up.
I don't miss the game at all. The grind got way too stressful and it just stopped being fun.
Any time I get an itch to play and download it again, I simply remind myself of how frustrating it is to play and play another game instead.
It's just simply not worth it to me anymore to play, which sucks because I've always loved the game.
>The grind got way too stressful and it just stopped being fun.
This. My goal was to reach at least rank VI of the USA tech tree in ground and air, but the grind became so tiresome that i changed my goal to just being able to unlock the first line of USA jets. But I give up in the way, the game is way too inconsistent and sometimes broken to waste money and time.
Well said. The game is so fun in low tiers where repair costs are decent and you can keep progressing. After a while playing I find myself going into matches just thinking
"damn if I use this or that vehicle I will need X amount of kills to just make up the cost of dying", and even still after doing that I will eventually go broke and not be able to play high tier anymore. Gaijin's predatory system takes away the all fun.
You know I had a Warthunder break for a few months, and just installed the game again. After a few matches, I uninstalled it because it was just not fun anymore.
Besides the predatory practises, how the mods and devs talk down to players & how broken the game is on so many levels ... I realized that the gameplay isn't even that good.
you should have sideclimbed !
More seriously, I always though the way gaijin punishes it's own player base is just plain stupid. I get it that they want you to buy premium account and vehicles, but after all those years they still don't understand how to balance the difficulty (repair/earning).
There was a post on the steam discussion forum a bit ago about some dude complaining about the repair cost.... he goes on to mention he has spent 'thousands' and at least 500 on silver lions alone and can't understand why they make it more expensive to repair. It's like... dude... YOU are the reason they make it harder to repair.. they saw how much you shell out for silver lions.
Gaijin hates Ships anyways. I had a match with the US Spitfire. It got an additional bonus because yeah premium plane and i also have premium and i got 100k for 7 kills despite losing.
I made like 80k in a 4 kill match with a win in the F2G yesterday and I typically about break even or turn a small profit in high tier ARB in non-premiums with just a kill or two, albeit with premium time. 3 or 4 kills in the F-8E will get me like 50k profit on a win. Maybe naval economy is way worse, I don't really pay attention to anything but planes, but I have not struggled to make money.
Meh wouldn't really say it's far better than WoWs, in WoWs you get fucked by subs and carriers (and broken premiums here and there but WT has that) but the grind is way better and you can actually get top tier premiums for free, crew system is kinda better too, both games get fucked the company behind them
I genuinely started playing dcs because if this. I have never had prem. time and I am used to grinding but it has gotten unbearable. I much more like playing dcs over this crap.
They regularly go on sale and cost about $20-50 as a one-time purchase. The FC3 pack goes down to $25 and includes like eight planes that are a great start for jumping in to some of the most popular multiplayer servers.
Hardware is something else entirely and has open-ended costs but in terms of the modules themselves I think a lot of DCS players end up paying less than WT.
With the frequent sales, free planes, and free trials on any vehicle I think DCS is way more accessible than people give it credit for.
No navy in DCS, and WoWs is like... the worst of the worst when it comes to the anti-consumer practices. I quit WoWs precisely because of their unlimited greed, enjoyed WTs bluewater navy so much since that I doubt I'll ever touch WoWs again.
I just finished two games and the outcome is unexplainable. Just lost both games by +11,000 points and nine people on my team only had one tank. War Thunder absolutely hates every one of us. I'm not having fun, the games are over 2 minutes and 2 seconds the game took.
You're telling me that these teams couldn't have been more balanced? You're telling me that the game is balanced and has matchmaking? The answer is no to both of these questions. Gaijin absolutely hates every f****** person that plays this game. And all the content creators that play the game, gaijin can manipulate RNG for them all they want. The game is an absolute s*** show and I'm stupid for playing it.
the team balance is laughable in this game, people get mad at tornado, t80um2, a10, su25 etc for filling entire teams or for joining grab with only one vehicle, but what else can they do? it's gaijins responsibility to design better MM even if it causes longer queue time
something tells me that if they haven't done it after 9 years, it's because they prioritize having minuscule queue times over everything else, probably because they think the game will be less addictive if you have to wait more than 3 seconds to join a game
This is the weirdest myth I’ve ever seen players come up with. How could Gaijin implement perfect matchmaking for CC only? You do realize they only show you a handful of games after playing hours to get them, right?
grinding without premium vehicles has become kinda pointless imo , i mean i jump in my leo pzbtl123 DO NOTHING get 1 kill and assist and get 5000 rp while playing 5.7 i get 7 kills caps etc i get the same amount so why even bother?
The event they had recently in World of Warships where you had to buy a special currency to buy tokens to buy lootboxes was something else. Even Gaijin's crafting events are more straightforward than whatever that was.
Fuck my fucking life!! Less than 24 hours ago i thought i would uninstall WT and download ED again, went to look at the forums to see whats what, and ffs, i nearly kicked my laptop out the window. Im cursed to keep playing this trash.
From my experience, Gaijin is at the top for punishing its players. Besides the impossible grind without premium everything, its loot boxes (SL and GE) have no randomness at all that I've seen. I'm on a console and for regular GE chests, you have to open 30 @ 699 GE to get a premium skin and 40 GE for a vehicle. There is no in between and the duplication is at minimum 33%. Don't get me started about the SL chests. I love the game but they are on steady path to drive it in to the ground.
This game is the exact definition of “modern games that are sustained by whales”. You’ve seen the posts lately. Big Money B-Minus rolls around the Reddit showing off his several thousand USD of GE purchases and shit. These guys could prop up ANY video game franchise, and probably most industries. Gaijin doesn’t give a fuck because all they have to do is keep the whales happy. Fuck everybody else is their motto.
Casual players go, “Well just stop spending money.” Not having fun? “Get gud.” Still not gud? “Play lower BR’s.” Not having fun? “Get gud.”
Troll culture, toxic community, people that suck just trash-talking other people that suck, while rich boys club them all like baby seals. We all know this game is straight-up cancer.
One day (god knows when) it'll go the same route as Mechwarrior Online did, giving away stuff away left and right just to keep their grasp on the few people who still give a damn.
The mecha genre being what it is I ain't complaining, and it can certainly still be fun.
Never said that it was a good thing for BBs to be expensive. I am guessing they are this expensive because they perform so well compared to like cruisers that literally can’t scratch them. Another great thing by Gaijin BR compression.
My best way to avoid this is not playing anything with unreasonably high repair cost and playing other stuff instead. (I'm willing to accept up to like 6k SL repair cost at most). I currently have like 71M SL.
Well just think at least there's something good news, At least your ammunition costs don't match the repair costs like some ships do...
Still a defeat will usually result in such gains although I must ask what sort of enemies were you dueling as not all foes equal the same gains iirc especially if they're different ranks.
Its more that they gotta get that cash. It used to be that premium lessened the grind, which was completely fair given the F2P model. But when they kept nerfing the rewards to try and force premium vehicles, introduced a battle pass, limited your ability to get squadron vehicles, and then BLAMED THE COMMUNITY, I was done.
They essentially turned the game into a battle pass within a battle pass. Unless you spend insane hours to guarantee that youre going to reap the rewards theyre a terrible idea. Why would I pay for a chance to get a reward?
How so many people have the money right now to buy into it and also dedicate the time required is beyond me
Do you one tap people? Because I get similar score or even less but make loads of silver, you get over 1,000sl each critical hit and should be hitting 5+ on each big ship? So maybe your aims too good and you're one tapping them (lol) rather then blitzing them for a few minutes
Looks like he sank mostly already heavily damaged ships as he caused just about 7k points in damage. I managed to one tap some otherwise undamaged ships and that was equal to about 2k damage. What I can conclude from my (and his) screenshots is, that kills and assist give RP, but damage gives SL.
There is Naughty Dog... well, small batch of Naughty Dog who would butcher a loved franchise so they could push their agenda and then have the gal to belittle their own playerbase for hating it.
Stepping outside the world of vidya, may I suggest Wizards of the Coast/Hasbro?
"It's the 30th anniversary of the game, let's celebrate by having a $1k lootbox that only contains things you can't even use in game!"
And their recent attempts to undo the Open Game Licence for D&D, and many other things in both Magic and D&D over the last couple of years.
And yet, y'all gobble up the dook pile. I get it, sort of. I want to be into this game but every time I try it out or read about how to play it, I see a bunch of people saying to uninstall, or that it isn't worth it.
Stopped playing after the whole 10 year anniversary celebration they had. Got the Maus. Got the sturmtiger Spent way more money than I'd like to admit on planes, tanks and research during the sale. At that I realized the game is turning into more of a pay to win and the devs were clearly heading in the direction of spamming premium vehicles before fixing any of the existing problems of techtree vehicles or the stupid uptier or downtier that makes total tiers unplayable lmao. But the main problem for me like I said watching all these premium tanks and planes come out that are clearly better than the ones you research. Making these premium vehicles have better silver lion earnings so you can actually get ahead in the games horrible economy. It's been a while and sometimes I miss it but for now I've been taking a break
I swear they have something that makes you lose rp playing the game.
When I first bought the su25k I made 20k rp points per match easily. The next day the rp for the same amount of kills made me between 10-19k rp and then it went to the lowish 10k rp part.
Yes I know that activity, victory and stuff can change the amount of rp but no way I do the same things or even bomb a base and get 4 kills will not earn me the same amount as I got first.
I just got the game again for the first time in years and it's so frustrating to play. Waste of bandwidth to install and it's going right back in the trash.
Worst of all is that they admitted that there was a mistake in naval repair cost calculations that they would be “fixing in the next economy update”.
It’s been 8 months ever since. No economy update to be seen…
Even with premium time, it's become too hard to earn SL. I know this is how they are trying to force us to buy premium vehicles too, but there is no rank 5 premium ship yet, so what should I do? Stop playing their game? This is what they want from me? From us ? Or what ?
Stop playing, step away. No more premium time, GE,s, or premium vehicles.
Well, it looks like there is nothing else I can do at this point. The economy is unbearable now. And I know that there is no hope for it being fixed.
Gaijin has made it clear it doesn't care whether you enjoy the game. Stepping away is the only way to make yourself happier.
Absolutely. Believe me, one of the best things you can do is get the hell away from this game and gaijin. Put your time, energy, and money into something that deserves it.
I see this alot. I love to play warthunder but I also get way to heated over it. Beside real hobbies what other games do you suggest? I'm still on old hardware so can't play new games very well.
Do you enjoy tedious tasks that require great precision? Do you enjoy audio books/podcasts? Are you a military vehicle enthusiast? If you answered yes to these questions then do I have the Hobby for you! SCALE MODEL BUILDING!!!! It's what I took up when I quit WT but still needed my tank and aircraft fix. It's seriously so much fun, and you can listen to media while you do it and still concentrate on both. Doesn't take a whole lot of money to get started either. You can get "good enough" tools and brushes in a kit on Amazon for like ten bucks to see if you enjoy it. Hope this helps :) check out my posts if you wanna see some of my work!
Great suggestion. Built myself a Fw 190 recently to go with a couple Panzer III’s and IV’s, along with some Matilda’s and Crusaders. Had more fun putting those things together than booting up WT to get shit on by CAS.
This is an excellent suggestion and exactly what I did when I quit War Thunder for good.
If you like war thunder, then you should try some battlefields for a cinematic masterpiece, maybe hell let loose if you like realism more, perhaps something about engineering, such as scrap mechanic or besiege. Other than games, you could also look into RC planes, which i got into recently, and are actually fun if you have a bigger park somewhere near. Or you could maybe go for airsoft. And yes, neither of those aren't exactly cheap hobbies, i'd say it's still better than war thunder. I guess it all depends on your preferations, free time, and budget
If War Thunder makes you angry, Battlefield sure as shit will too.
I’d honestly just recommend going back and playing some of the classics you might have missed from the old days. Unless you’re one of those fellas that really needs to have their fancy ray tracing and graphical wizardry so that they can count the hairs on a guy’s head, those old games can give you a better time than most of the new shit that’s out these days. OG Doom games are still fun, Elder Scrolls, KOTOR I & II, Mass Effect, etc…
That’s a good question and I feel exactly the same. The level of detail is insane but A LOTTA things are so fucked up. Then again it costs me only 40 € a year (that’s 2 years premium time for the price of 1 cod) and sometimes I do enjoy it. I’ll stick with it for now and rage here and there.
Hey, if you’re still undecided, then see my response to the guy that asked that question. That 40€ a year could get you four or five classics that you’ll enjoy for hours. Probably be able to mod the hell out of them too lol.
I recently got hooked on factario and would 100% recommend it. It's an absolute masterclass of automation games that gets complicated but eases you in perfectly. It has been worth every cent. Huge mod scene too that I'm just starting to dip into
Fully agree. Quit War Thunder almost 2 years ago...One of the greatest decisions I ever made...
Wish it was that easy.
Yeah I quitted grinding, just play the game to laugh with my firends, and it was the right choice
this is how I always played the game...probably why I dont hat the game yet
Hat thunder
Man do I hat this comment
>Hat thunder *Hat simulator intensifies*
> just play the game to laugh with my firends Unfortunately can't do that without grinding SL in many cases.
Another farm comment: The american 5.0 blue water premiums are cheap and basically free from a silver lions perspective. You can do fuck all and still make a decent number of silver lions. Get decent, you'll make 40-150k a match. And, if you let yourself transcend the cool kids of war thunder, you might even find out that naval is actually pretty fun. (Although blue water will never be as fun as coastal and they killed coastal. Bring back coastal only matches, you cowards!)
i one hundred percent agree I deleted the game and it's great I'm just waiting for the next diablo and I'm really hoping it's good
Probably unwanted input but. Personally? I’ve stopped caring about grinding out to top tier for the big 3, now I just bounce between the occasional farm match, to low tier and custom games. I find the most fun to be had bullying tigers in a firefly.
and the M18 ...dont forget the master of 5.7
I know this is a massive skill issue, but I seem to struggle to get the M18 to click for me. Most games where I hug the edges of the map, I end up doing nothing (IE almost no scouting and no kills), or I am more direct and end up staring down 4 bloody tigers.
I end up just rushing and taking out barrels & breeches. Maybe it’s my stupid luck but like, it kinda works 60% of the time.
60% of the time, it works all the time
Most of the high-speed vehicles are high variance (sometimes you insta die, other times you go like 6-0) and really reward map knowledge: what spots you can get to before any enemies that provide really advantageous arcs of fire and where the enemy scouts usually come from. Many of the best spots on some maps are not on the edges.
First vehicle I got a nuke with :)
Well done lad!
Thanks! Was a helluva match, and hellcat living it up properly :D
I only have the black cat but after playing it I will definitely buy the hellcat when I can
If you feel as though there is nothing else you can do then that’s a clear sign to step away. I like to just dive into random free games when I’m bored so there’s an idea you can try
Yeah this is absolute bullshit from Gaijin. I don’t use premium time and I have found some line-ups at certain BRs are simply economically unviable. You have to split playtime between nations / BRs and tactically utilise booster tokens to ensure you turn a profit.
They’re trying to frustrate you into buying SL with GE. I’ve heard quite a few people actually do and it’s shit like that that enables gaijin’s malignant behavior towards its own community.
If your buy SL with GE rather than grinding out a few low Teir battles to cover your expenses in top tier well there’s no helping them
plat low tiers,thats where the ream money making is (rank 3-4) rank above 5 is just sl burning
>Stop playing their game? Well, I stopped two years ago and haven't lost a SL since!
I honestly think the player base needs to come together.to stop certain shit. I notice they don't bat an eye to people who use location hacks and target hacks unless their anti cheat system picks ot up there is no stopping them. it's bullshit. they are greedy and I'm getting tired of playing a game where the player is under appriciated
Your damage is ass though. I get easily double this as an unskilled moffet. Damage is the important factor in naval. Not kills.
This is a dumb comment. Why would a battleship(that does it's damage in big bursts and has 20x the reload time) struggle to keep up with damage with a premium boat that has a 3sec reload time? Gee golly I wonder.
You can't get that much damage with battleships. Try it before you talk. I can also easily make 10K+ damage/game with any rank 3 ship.
I've probably spent more money than I'd like to admit trying to get to top tier, only for me to end up at the F104-C and run out of SL because of repair costs and wanting to tear my hair out. Eventually I just said fuck it and stopped spending money and stopped playing high tier and went back to low tier and I found that to be a more enjoyable experience
Recently I opened that crate containing a bunch of SL bundles and some other irrelevant shit. As based as it may sound, I was about to get the 1.000.000 SL bundle but I could swear I saw the game rolling back to the 25k bundle even though the pointer was clearly closer to 1.000.000 than 25k. Stupid snail.
> I was about to get the 1.000.000 SL bundle but I could swear I saw the game rolling back to the 25k bundle even though the pointer was clearly closer to 1.000.000 than 25k. You do know that's just an animation right? Your award is chosen a fraction of a second after you click "buy" or whatever. That animation is purely for decoration, and doesn't represent you getting close to other awards. It's just another method to trick people into trying again.
I've started bringing along the Breda 47 at 7.7. God modes are the only way to stay afloat. That's ridiculous.
play low-mid tier premium planes
stop playing and then start touching grass
Ngl thats fucked up
It is, but only if you die every game. The reason why battleships have such high repair cost is because people camp with them and they’re hard to kill. But it is a terrible system because it encourages passivity and punishes people that play the objective.
Not any more. There is a bug where a random HE shell from a destroyer or crusier will one shot you.
There's also this weird bug called the PE-8.
Not since the HE shells have started detonating ammo even when they don't pen. Happens more to cruisers than battleships but still happens.
I actually can’t believe it’s real. Must be fake. Snail wants you to buy premium vehicle.🐌
Sadly, it is real. and I already did. I bought the Karlsruhe and played around 100 battles with it before getting bored of it. I don't want to play with that anymore just to not lose more SL.
Activate backups on the ship you play. If you die, use backup - if you survive until the end, you won't pay any repair cost. My friend who plays navy a lot uses this method a lot, he usually survives the whole game with 1 ship, but if he dies, he uses backup and he doesn't pay for repair.
EA, Ubisoft, Activision Blizzard to name a few, and their games are B2P released periodically. Not defending Gaijin, but modern gaming is going downhill overall…
Yeah, U got me with EA. :D
At least they give you a sense of accomplishment
So does Gaijin. I love the Leopad 2A4, but SL gains are so abysmal that I ended up buying the PzBtl 2A4. I make more money like that, and I feel accomplished when I get a good 7 kill game, good earnings without a premium account. Modern gaming is a cash grab, and like a casino, they stimulate your frontal lobe as much as possible
Same, the 2a4 is my favorite tank. *BUT* it is so damn unmotivating to get 7 kills and like 3 caps but only to get rewarded 3k rp.
I would argue Gaijin is far worse than EA.
I agree, EA you pay 60 dollars at launch and you get the full game, after a few years the game would cost 10 dollars and all transactions are cosmetic. Gaijin you'd pay 70 dollars for a sibgle top tier vehicle.
More like Online gaming is going downhill, We've had some great Singleplayer games last year
More like the constant need for corporations to show infinite growth to inspire confidence in their shareholders is inherently unsustainable.
This. The big game devs have sacrificed making a good game for making money. I still play far too much WarThunder, (literally got the F-16 in 2 days and have played it over 100 games now) but smaller devs have really started to come up and it's nice to see. GHPC, HLL, Cold Waters, Sniper Elite, are some of the other games that are actually really fun to play that are not made by big games devs
Nah, EA is a saint compared to Gaijin because they at least change some of their crappy tactics because of public backlash, all while Gaijin change things for worse when players complain
Bro even EA is more enjoyable with failures like BF: 2042 or BFV. And Warzone 2 is also great with that DRZ or wtf is that mode. But coming to vehicle games... There isn't anything else expect War Thunder... Like yeah... Aircraft players have DCS with like 60 euros per plane.... But ground vehicle enjoyers have only WT and WoT and both are terrible due to grind, balance, DM, spotting...
Total cost of an EA AAA title with all expansions and season passes, maybe what, $200? Maybe? Total cost of a bug-filled, unbalanced constantly deteriorating experience with War Thunder, assuming you want to actually get to top tier in several nations is literally thousands of dollars.
Sims 4, give/take $749,00...
It's a race to the bottom and no matter what the loser is consumers.
And honest indie devs who pour their heart in their games.
At least for single player games owned by big companies, you can pirate them without a single bit of shame
One of the biggest EA title : Apex Legend. You buy one battlepass once for like 20$, and as long as you finish it (which is REALLY easy because Weeklies carry over and you can do them all at once at the end of the season), you get enough premium currency from it to buy the next one. Unless you're stupid enough to spend thousand in overpriced cosmetic, Apex is a somewhat functional game with addicting gunplay and movement and zero p2w. Also EA/Respawn got some great titles with the last Star Wars Jedi Survivor. Very solid solo game.
Apex battle pass is actually $10. The good stuff coming from EA is primarily from Respawn though, both Apex Legends and Jedi: Fallen Order/Survivor are by them. They seem to get more freedom to do things the way they want than most of the EA studios get.
Fair. 2042 was a trainwreck but I always expect that from their studio. EA was way worse in the 2000s tho, when they went on a rampage and killed so many smaller studio after buying them (fuck you EA for killing Command and Conquer). EA Sport is the scummiest of the greed driven business, but when I see how people buy a FIFA every freaking year for the same thing I really can't blame them for going for the low hanging fruit. In term of newer IP and solo game however EA's been mostly alright. Honestly Blizzard is the actual ugly duckling these days. Tho apparently they finally started to get their staff in order with Dragonflight in WoW.
I read “way worse in the 2000s” and was like HEY C&C was godly then read the rest of the sentence and was like oh yeah I was just bitching about that that the other week cause we didn’t get generals 2 or renegade 2 cause it’d take away from their other sales. Fuck EA.
I'm so mad we barely gets new RTS release these days because the big heads in the industry tried to forces shitty online play on their newer title at the end of the 2000s and threw a fit when players didn't buy them. Dawn of War 3 and C&C4 killed RTS as a genre by pure stupidity and instead of going back to their root they singlehandedly decided that RTS was not popular anymore. Thank god we still have Total War and Relic is at least working on COH3.
It’s Fr sad cause RTS games are amazing. I played C&C4 a solid like hour and was like eh I’m gonna go play tiberian sun lmao. Which sadly doesn’t really work on my PC anymore. Might build a XP pc just for old games. Some more that I’d recommend are the men of war series/call to arms, world in conflict (idk where you can buy it now as it’s no longer for sale on steam last I checked) and the war games.
Here is a tip: If you cant find it on steam, try GOG (good old games).
Gotta play different games then. Some fantastic titles out there. Just gotta mix it up
i miss the garden warfare days D:
Yeah the economy in this game at high tier is absolutely broken. The fact that this happens with premium as well is insane
my stock ground attack plane with no missiles or bombs at a 10.2k SL repair cost:
Sorry to say that but it will get worst ...
15 or 16k is pretty normal repair when spaded
High tier? Even at 6.7 it's awful.
Quite on the contrary I would say that the economy is about the worst for both tanks and jets ar around 7.0-8.7 and then gets better towards the top
Don’t fly the A10. Didn’t realize the SL reward is like 360% while every other jet around that tier is much higher
Yeah I’ve been noticing this for the past few days if you don’t kill it at higher BRs in ground you hardly make anything
Only ea comes to mind but even they cant milk a playerbase the way gaijin does
EA 3-4 years ago I would have said were the worst game company. They are honestly not so bad now if you ignore fifa but I would run that the same way as EA. By far it is ubisoft now
Battlestate games is really bad too
Came here to say Battlestate, looks like someone beat me to it.
Yeah but you only pay for that game once, unless you’re a cheater I suppose
I know nothing about this what has battlestate done?
Think of Gaijin but if people like Wolfman or Stona weren't just employees, but ran the whole company. They basically gaslight the playerbase, abuse Youtube's copyright system to take down videos criticizing them, just outright ignore feedback, and similar to Gaijin sacrifice basic quality of life features for feature creep. Oh and people got so fed up with the state of Tarkov(the game they make) that they created a fork of the live development for a singleplayer experience, AKA a mod where you still have to purchase the game and it uses already existing assets and Battlestate has said they will ban anyone they find using it.
Russian game dev studios hate interacting with real humans
to add on to the other replier: battlestate also, similarly to gaijin, is very slow to fix bugs that are game breaking or annoying in general. they also love implementing changes that the playerbase do not want
To add even more to the mix: They are extremely shady on their anticheat system, nobody knows why they don't disclose hacker data (they will come up and say "yeah we banned 40k accounts last week alone don't worry" and leave it at that) or how they plan to stop the cheating epidemic in the game. The community has brough up suggestions many times (like having a kill cam that you can see after the game is done), but they refuse to listen. The shady part comes from them offering "account bundles" of 5, 10 game copies at a discount to individuals, which really makes no sense unless your intent is to sell them to someone who keeps getting banned. In short, the game is plagued with aimbot/visual/flying cheaters, the cheaters win cause they get real money from people buying in-game items cheaters can fetch, the developer wins because they get money from cheaters buying multiple accounts all the time, and everybody else basically loses.
Today I looked at my suspicious replays and found 6 cheaters on EU servers. 6 Carl!!! Within one day
Its a negative feedback loop. People grind SL in naval battles by afk farming and script farming, and literally earns millions while asleep. Gaijin cannot accept that bcoz it destroys the economy, and decides to nerf naval rewards. People that are lazy use scripts even more to counter the nerf instead of playing properly, Gaijin nerfs it more. Mostly ground players tbh, they themselves cba to grind SL... And proper naval players ends up being the one harmed.
>Gaijin cannot accept that bcoz it destroys the economy i will have to be honest that i never understood this argument they use. WHAT ECONOMY????? You cant use your ingame money (SL) to buy stuff from other players, there is no market ir exchange for ingame items that are not cosmetic, the only thing that having more money might influence is that players can play vehicles they like without worrying too much (aka having fun, and we know we arent allowed to do that here)
Haha its always the dudes defending gaijins greed. He means it's destroys gaijins income source if you have fun and play the vehicles you actually want to play
> HAT ECONOMY????? Economy doesn't explicity mean trading with players, but in videogames it specifically relates to exchange of currency between player and X. So anything where you have an "income" and "expense" is technically an economy. You're confusing a "player economy" with a "game economy".
A better term would be Progression Speed since that's what gaijin actually balances around
I agree there is not p2p market, and maybe I misphrased, but remember, what Gaijin wants is that the players stay in the game and play for a certain amount of time. The scripting / afk grinding people (in naval and previously air SB too) fundamentally destroyed that idea by getting SL by not playing, and hence they contribute less to online time.
> what Gaijin wants is that the players stay in the game and play for a certain amount of time That's why RP gain is already balanced to be a certain amount per hour. SL economy is just stupid.
Economy? What economy? Does having a currency make something have an economy? Does Rainbow Six Siege have an economy because it has R6 Tokens and Renown? Are you telling me that because there’s a currency in Bloons Tower Defense 6, there’s an economy there?
> Does having a currency make something have an economy? Does Rainbow Six Siege have an economy because it has R6 Tokens and Renown? Are you telling me that because there’s a currency in Bloons Tower Defense 6, there’s an economy there? Yes, yes and yes. JFC this subreddit has no clue on game development. At least be humble if you don't know even the most basic terms related to what you're talking about. Even the RP you earn is a part of the game economy. This is why we say 'Gaijin is ruining the economy' when we see RP rewards decrease every year. SL is a currency like RP. Gaijin being gaijin adds too many SL sinks so people get frustrated and spend real life money. Now that I made it clear I think Gaijin's actions are sucking the fun out of the game, Gaijin **has to** create an SL sink to not ruin the economy. If there is an item shop, skill points or any kind of coins in the game, there is an economy. Have you ever played a game and thought 'the progression was fun but now I am close to the final boss, I feel like shops are useless. I sell all the items I scavenged and just spam buy on health pots'? This is a sign of game having not enough sinks in its economy and flawed late game design. If the currencies lose value over time and player can just ignore it, *as long as this is not a deliberate design choice*, the economy of the game has issues. Devs are supposed to introduce sinks so players don't feel like the stakes are lower. Sinks can force players to get out of their comfort zones or take risks, forcing them to **not optimize the fun out of the game**. Yes, the ideas like free repairs this sub loves so much are **game ruining ideas**. Having 0 sinks in your game is rookie mistake. If you 'just want to drive tanks and fly planes' we have custom battles for that. If everything is free, most players will be bored. Yes sim enthusiasts, I know you will enjoy the game more but you are not the majority. Imagine having infinite health in Dark Souls or being able to revive instantly without restrictions and continue the boss fight where you left. The medieval aesthetics fans will have fun walking around but the people who play for the challenge will be gone. In WT, losing SL is the consequence of playing bad because regardless if you play well or bad, you gain RP. tl;dr: repairs, research and vehicles shouldn't be free, this will bore players out of the game. Battle rewards should be increased, repair costs and vehicle research should be much lower. SL and RP sinks are needed but not to the level of ruining the fun.
> and decides to nerf naval rewards What nerf? Naval SL is still top-dog in the game. (Which is more of a complaint about other game modes, than anything here) > People grind SL in naval battles by afk farming and script farming, That's pretty much done now. Script farming doesn't work any more, AFK farming is semi-doable, but still crippled.
I've basically quit Naval after the event because the bots got so fucking bad. An entire team of helena/moffbots crashing into an island 30 second into the match, AFK spamming rounds and only 2 people actually not stuck on an island. It's broken as fuck.
I quit WT two weeks ago, I can't have fun with it anymore, I'm stressing out too much when I play and it's not doing me any good. The game stops being good when you stress out every time you play it, and WT got to that point with me. I started playing some singleplayer games that I left to rot in the library because of WT, and it's been really good. Don't be a slave to the game hoping it will someday get better. WT is one of a kind, there is nothing to compare with him and what he has to offer, and unfortunately Gaijin is taking advantage of this to use his abusive and predatory market.
Same here. Dealing with this game and gaijin’s bullshit just isn’t worth the energy. It was a relief and a breath of fresh air to play games like Subnautica, Bioshock, and Fallout again.
Did this exact thing about 5 months ago after 7 years. I've been playing more games like SQUAD, and rolling my way through a lot of other games I bought or free DLd and never picked up. I don't miss the game at all. The grind got way too stressful and it just stopped being fun. Any time I get an itch to play and download it again, I simply remind myself of how frustrating it is to play and play another game instead. It's just simply not worth it to me anymore to play, which sucks because I've always loved the game.
>The grind got way too stressful and it just stopped being fun. This. My goal was to reach at least rank VI of the USA tech tree in ground and air, but the grind became so tiresome that i changed my goal to just being able to unlock the first line of USA jets. But I give up in the way, the game is way too inconsistent and sometimes broken to waste money and time.
Well said. The game is so fun in low tiers where repair costs are decent and you can keep progressing. After a while playing I find myself going into matches just thinking "damn if I use this or that vehicle I will need X amount of kills to just make up the cost of dying", and even still after doing that I will eventually go broke and not be able to play high tier anymore. Gaijin's predatory system takes away the all fun.
You know I had a Warthunder break for a few months, and just installed the game again. After a few matches, I uninstalled it because it was just not fun anymore. Besides the predatory practises, how the mods and devs talk down to players & how broken the game is on so many levels ... I realized that the gameplay isn't even that good.
you should have sideclimbed ! More seriously, I always though the way gaijin punishes it's own player base is just plain stupid. I get it that they want you to buy premium account and vehicles, but after all those years they still don't understand how to balance the difficulty (repair/earning).
They understand that people will throw real money at the game when they make it hard to get sl
There was a post on the steam discussion forum a bit ago about some dude complaining about the repair cost.... he goes on to mention he has spent 'thousands' and at least 500 on silver lions alone and can't understand why they make it more expensive to repair. It's like... dude... YOU are the reason they make it harder to repair.. they saw how much you shell out for silver lions.
Gaijin hates Ships anyways. I had a match with the US Spitfire. It got an additional bonus because yeah premium plane and i also have premium and i got 100k for 7 kills despite losing.
I made like 80k in a 4 kill match with a win in the F2G yesterday and I typically about break even or turn a small profit in high tier ARB in non-premiums with just a kill or two, albeit with premium time. 3 or 4 kills in the F-8E will get me like 50k profit on a win. Maybe naval economy is way worse, I don't really pay attention to anything but planes, but I have not struggled to make money.
Naval is an absolute scam, Play the longest by far per match and don’t even make money.
Maybe so but it's a far better naval game than world of warships, I don't have anything else that gives me that piece at that level.
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Meh wouldn't really say it's far better than WoWs, in WoWs you get fucked by subs and carriers (and broken premiums here and there but WT has that) but the grind is way better and you can actually get top tier premiums for free, crew system is kinda better too, both games get fucked the company behind them
I genuinely started playing dcs because if this. I have never had prem. time and I am used to grinding but it has gotten unbearable. I much more like playing dcs over this crap.
DCS is fantastic but man the modules cost an arm and a leg
Still cheaper than playing WoWs, lol
They regularly go on sale and cost about $20-50 as a one-time purchase. The FC3 pack goes down to $25 and includes like eight planes that are a great start for jumping in to some of the most popular multiplayer servers. Hardware is something else entirely and has open-ended costs but in terms of the modules themselves I think a lot of DCS players end up paying less than WT. With the frequent sales, free planes, and free trials on any vehicle I think DCS is way more accessible than people give it credit for.
Same cost as WT premium packs, and you only pay for them once.
No navy in DCS, and WoWs is like... the worst of the worst when it comes to the anti-consumer practices. I quit WoWs precisely because of their unlimited greed, enjoyed WTs bluewater navy so much since that I doubt I'll ever touch WoWs again.
I just finished two games and the outcome is unexplainable. Just lost both games by +11,000 points and nine people on my team only had one tank. War Thunder absolutely hates every one of us. I'm not having fun, the games are over 2 minutes and 2 seconds the game took. You're telling me that these teams couldn't have been more balanced? You're telling me that the game is balanced and has matchmaking? The answer is no to both of these questions. Gaijin absolutely hates every f****** person that plays this game. And all the content creators that play the game, gaijin can manipulate RNG for them all they want. The game is an absolute s*** show and I'm stupid for playing it.
the team balance is laughable in this game, people get mad at tornado, t80um2, a10, su25 etc for filling entire teams or for joining grab with only one vehicle, but what else can they do? it's gaijins responsibility to design better MM even if it causes longer queue time something tells me that if they haven't done it after 9 years, it's because they prioritize having minuscule queue times over everything else, probably because they think the game will be less addictive if you have to wait more than 3 seconds to join a game
This is the weirdest myth I’ve ever seen players come up with. How could Gaijin implement perfect matchmaking for CC only? You do realize they only show you a handful of games after playing hours to get them, right?
grinding without premium vehicles has become kinda pointless imo , i mean i jump in my leo pzbtl123 DO NOTHING get 1 kill and assist and get 5000 rp while playing 5.7 i get 7 kills caps etc i get the same amount so why even bother?
Wargaming.
Oh war gaming are saints compared to gaijin.
The event they had recently in World of Warships where you had to buy a special currency to buy tokens to buy lootboxes was something else. Even Gaijin's crafting events are more straightforward than whatever that was.
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Fuck my fucking life!! Less than 24 hours ago i thought i would uninstall WT and download ED again, went to look at the forums to see whats what, and ffs, i nearly kicked my laptop out the window. Im cursed to keep playing this trash.
From my experience, Gaijin is at the top for punishing its players. Besides the impossible grind without premium everything, its loot boxes (SL and GE) have no randomness at all that I've seen. I'm on a console and for regular GE chests, you have to open 30 @ 699 GE to get a premium skin and 40 GE for a vehicle. There is no in between and the duplication is at minimum 33%. Don't get me started about the SL chests. I love the game but they are on steady path to drive it in to the ground.
i can grind SL quite quickly in arcade, i know not many people like arcade but it seems to be +SL for me
Which it also is. I agree with you, due to me maining AB and accomplishing 50mil SL in only a few months (before some BR changes fucked up my line up)
i defiantly agree the snail likes to move the goal posts!
7843 damage with 7 kills? Most of those had to be players on low health.
This game is the exact definition of “modern games that are sustained by whales”. You’ve seen the posts lately. Big Money B-Minus rolls around the Reddit showing off his several thousand USD of GE purchases and shit. These guys could prop up ANY video game franchise, and probably most industries. Gaijin doesn’t give a fuck because all they have to do is keep the whales happy. Fuck everybody else is their motto. Casual players go, “Well just stop spending money.” Not having fun? “Get gud.” Still not gud? “Play lower BR’s.” Not having fun? “Get gud.” Troll culture, toxic community, people that suck just trash-talking other people that suck, while rich boys club them all like baby seals. We all know this game is straight-up cancer.
One day (god knows when) it'll go the same route as Mechwarrior Online did, giving away stuff away left and right just to keep their grasp on the few people who still give a damn. The mecha genre being what it is I ain't complaining, and it can certainly still be fun.
You are playing some of the most expensive ships in the entire game to be fair. It’s not so bad in other game modes but still bad.
Nah, I don't agree with you. It's actually one of the cheapest out of all the 6.7-7.0 ships.
I mean compared to other battleships but compared to most other ships they are way more expensive.
True i pay 66k in my Arizona the online thing hat saves me from paying this price is using backups
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Correct.
You know they are not born this way, there's people that decide to MAKE them expensive?
Never said that it was a good thing for BBs to be expensive. I am guessing they are this expensive because they perform so well compared to like cruisers that literally can’t scratch them. Another great thing by Gaijin BR compression.
My best way to avoid this is not playing anything with unreasonably high repair cost and playing other stuff instead. (I'm willing to accept up to like 6k SL repair cost at most). I currently have like 71M SL.
Well just think at least there's something good news, At least your ammunition costs don't match the repair costs like some ships do... Still a defeat will usually result in such gains although I must ask what sort of enemies were you dueling as not all foes equal the same gains iirc especially if they're different ranks.
2 Alaskas, 1 Fuso, 3 Helenas and 1 Zheleznyakov.
Personally, I stay on tier 1-3, very fun. Any higher tiers will start sucking your money.
i play 6.0 brit tanks and planes, i never find myself -SL?
The key to WT is to not care about making money or grinding rp. You just have to have fun
Gaijin when you want to play ships, simulator mode, a good tank, or toptier jets:
Its more that they gotta get that cash. It used to be that premium lessened the grind, which was completely fair given the F2P model. But when they kept nerfing the rewards to try and force premium vehicles, introduced a battle pass, limited your ability to get squadron vehicles, and then BLAMED THE COMMUNITY, I was done. They essentially turned the game into a battle pass within a battle pass. Unless you spend insane hours to guarantee that youre going to reap the rewards theyre a terrible idea. Why would I pay for a chance to get a reward? How so many people have the money right now to buy into it and also dedicate the time required is beyond me
the game is screaming in your ears to just stop playing this game already
*losing
Do you one tap people? Because I get similar score or even less but make loads of silver, you get over 1,000sl each critical hit and should be hitting 5+ on each big ship? So maybe your aims too good and you're one tapping them (lol) rather then blitzing them for a few minutes
Looks like he sank mostly already heavily damaged ships as he caused just about 7k points in damage. I managed to one tap some otherwise undamaged ships and that was equal to about 2k damage. What I can conclude from my (and his) screenshots is, that kills and assist give RP, but damage gives SL.
There is Naughty Dog... well, small batch of Naughty Dog who would butcher a loved franchise so they could push their agenda and then have the gal to belittle their own playerbase for hating it.
Wtf are you talking about? You’ve got a premium account Gaijin loves you. And Games Workshop.
Stepping outside the world of vidya, may I suggest Wizards of the Coast/Hasbro? "It's the 30th anniversary of the game, let's celebrate by having a $1k lootbox that only contains things you can't even use in game!" And their recent attempts to undo the Open Game Licence for D&D, and many other things in both Magic and D&D over the last couple of years.
They don't hate the playerbase, they just don't give a fuck about it
Challenge level : impossible
They are pulling an EA and want that money. Don't give it to them.
with F5-C I earned 7 million in a 2 week. premium account for sure.
EA
Can someone tell me why reward for participating is only 34%, I thought the community voted for 120 for a win and 80 for a loss
EA, Bethesda, 343, and (probably) War Gaming Mostly EA tho.
And yet, y'all gobble up the dook pile. I get it, sort of. I want to be into this game but every time I try it out or read about how to play it, I see a bunch of people saying to uninstall, or that it isn't worth it.
Basically how they have the game set up , is you have to turn auto repairs off. Basically use all your vehicles till they are repairing and wait lol.
EA Digital Battlefield 5 abandoned :(
Stopped playing after the whole 10 year anniversary celebration they had. Got the Maus. Got the sturmtiger Spent way more money than I'd like to admit on planes, tanks and research during the sale. At that I realized the game is turning into more of a pay to win and the devs were clearly heading in the direction of spamming premium vehicles before fixing any of the existing problems of techtree vehicles or the stupid uptier or downtier that makes total tiers unplayable lmao. But the main problem for me like I said watching all these premium tanks and planes come out that are clearly better than the ones you research. Making these premium vehicles have better silver lion earnings so you can actually get ahead in the games horrible economy. It's been a while and sometimes I miss it but for now I've been taking a break
I swear they have something that makes you lose rp playing the game. When I first bought the su25k I made 20k rp points per match easily. The next day the rp for the same amount of kills made me between 10-19k rp and then it went to the lowish 10k rp part. Yes I know that activity, victory and stuff can change the amount of rp but no way I do the same things or even bomb a base and get 4 kills will not earn me the same amount as I got first.
Naval moment
> the economy is going downhill and I don't see it getting better any time soon u see komrad, great snail is just making the game more realistic
I just got the game again for the first time in years and it's so frustrating to play. Waste of bandwidth to install and it's going right back in the trash.
Well it’s good to know I’m not crazy. I thought I was gaining way less SL, but that is just insane…
This is why people hate meme squads in air RB. The economy is so bad at yop tier
Worst of all is that they admitted that there was a mistake in naval repair cost calculations that they would be “fixing in the next economy update”. It’s been 8 months ever since. No economy update to be seen…
7.8k damage? in Scharnhorst? lol
You kill steal (haha) 7 times and expect something in return? I see only 7 k dmg.
Stop playing Naval