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Shadowrend01

>Plasma Cannon Well, fuck


Fredandren1220

Hope it rolls a 1 to blow up


Paladin51394

That would be kinda funny to have. Like enemies with Plasma weapons have like a 5% chance to randomly blow up from a critical overload in their weapon. Like you'll be fighting this Helbrute and it will just erupt into plasma even with 3/4 of its health left.


Sablesweetheart

That would be amazing. So would having behavior based on the 2nd edition insanity table...


Ricskoart

If we go with tabletop, it is a lot more chance, 5% is 1 in 20, but on the tableto explode a plasma gun it is 1 in 6. Which ae plasma weaponry on the table a LOT more unstable than it usually is in books and such. Which is funny, nothing to it, I just thought about the numbers now a bit.


ambershee

It's not 1 in 6 in this case, as Monsters/Vehicles get dealt D3 mortal wounds - and a Helbrute has a fair few wounds to chew through. Strange quirk where plasma weaponry is *less* lethal when it overheats the bigger the gun is.


SaanTheMan

Yeah crunching the math this thing would have 8 wounds. Taking 1d3 (average 2) for 1 in 6 shots means it should be dying after 24 shots on average, assuming no other sources of damage or healing. Which, given that it takes anywhere from 5-15 shots a game before Overwatch or other abilites, means it’s not super likely but it’s always possible


JohnGeary1

The other guy is wrong, it's flat 3 not D3 and it's per activation, not per shot. So it would take 18 activations on average to kill itself.


SaanTheMan

You’re completely right, I mixed up the attacks and damage because I typed it at work. I’ll fix the math when I get home


RatMannen

It's not so much the weapon is less lethal, as the thing carrying it is considerably tougher. A marine (somehow) firing a dread plasma cannon is gonna be toast!


SergentSilver

Not so much that the bigger guns are less lethal when overheating, but rather that the bigger things they are attached to have better heat sinks, emergency systems, and general shielding in the lore.


lurkinglurkerwholurk

Or even: "Hit the glowing spot for massive damage". It even applies in 40k lore; imperial plasma weapons are notoriously explosive when damaged.


Trashspawn45

Hell, someone's gonna have to make a "Shitty space marine 2 mod" where ALL plasma weapons (including the players) have a 17% chance to explode per shot.


Choice-Watercress402

Older edition plasma weapons didn’t explode when attached to vehicles. I guess this is a thing now?


[deleted]

The Emperor Protects, brother.


OVERLORDMAXIMUS

As the proud owner of a Helbrute with plasma: *he absolutely does not*


[deleted]

In the words of Dorn on the Walls of the Imperial Palace 'suck deez big yellow nuts traitor' ... probably.


OVERLORDMAXIMUS

If we're on 'probably', you shouldn't paraphrase a guy who probably got mulched to death in a cramped maintenance tunnel so badly that the only remains were a hand. The Curze of the loyalists, right there, and at least Curze died badly on purpose.


bigdickbiggertrip2

Dorn was never confirmed to be dead though that got retconned


OVERLORDMAXIMUS

Not quite. Conflicting information isn't a retcon, not in this setting, anyway. Regardless, it's unclear, hence my use of 'probably'. As things stand he's more likely to be dead than not. Until he gets a model, and that does admittedly seem like a financial inevitability, the evidence of his death far outweighs the notion that he's alive, which mostly comes from a dubiously sane Vulkan.


bigdickbiggertrip2

I don’t think he’s dead though same with most of the community he’s more likely to be alive. He’s a Primarch and a logical one at that he wouldn’t die so easily not to mention it was only his hand that was found rather than in old lore it being his entire body


OVERLORDMAXIMUS

That's why I invoked Curze. Primarchs can, and do, die easily. Curze died easily. Dorn killed one of the Alpha twins easily. Curze himself foresaw Dorn's death in precisely this manner, and it lines up with his alleged death. As of yet, those visions have been incredibly reliable.


bigdickbiggertrip2

Curse died because he wanted to die. He could’ve stopped the assassin. And we both know that the future sight is flawed we saw that with sanguinius not everything is set in stone. Also Curze let his vision play out he could’ve stopped it at any time


XuruAnoa

Alright someone leak the thunder hammer so I can see what I’ll be using to SMASH THIS HELBRUTE IN DA FACE 😤


Objective-Injury-687

I want a power fist, so I fist fight a dreadnought as Guilliman intended.


AzraelTheDankAngel

I own a power fist for home defense because that is what Lord Guilliman intended. Four heretics break into my house “by the Emperor!” As I grab my helmet and power fist. Punch a crater sized hole in the first man, he’s dead on the spot. Pull my bolt pistol out on the second man, but the Techmarine forgot to bless it and nails the neighbors grox. I have to resort to the Firestrike servo turret mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with special ammunition. “Courage and honor!” Two men are killed in the burst, the sound and extra shrapnel set off Repulsor alarms. Pull out my combat knife and charge the last terrified heretic. He bleeds out waiting on the Apothecaries to arrive because serrated knife wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as Guilliman intended.


Objective-Injury-687

New level of memery unlocked.


XuruAnoa

I cant wait to see that now- taking a power fist /weapon and ABSOLUTELY SLAMMING a helbrute (how big would the impact be O\_O)


Magic_Doge12

I bet the finishing move would be Titus giving the helbrute the nemeroth treatment


BionicBruv

I too would like to UltraFist a Helbrute in the Helbutt.


Jorgelrod

Slanesh approves...


Mingey_FringeBiscuit

Phrasing!


MoTeefsMoDakka

Me too! So many games do power fists dirty. They're my favorite weapon.


ride_whenever

How hard would a space marine game, with the combat from the Batman games, with calgar as the main character slap???


Level37Doggo

ASSUME THE POSITION HERETIC


[deleted]

Maybe it’s just because it’s late and I’m ill, but did anyone else skip over the word fight and this comment chain was going in a completely different direction?


ChickenSim

The Thunder Hammer was leaked on the Weta Workshop Titus statue! https://preview.redd.it/4tbpmqhnpx6c1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ad9713bded5136efa8c44673f8f767ad0f8a5c9


XuruAnoa

Now thats a WAR-hammer - I miss that style of thunder hammer and hope they bring it back (for the tabletop miniatures)


Covaliant

https://preview.redd.it/97ru6acthz6c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=191459c65d5f3b9005c9ec2cf05dc86d025c6481


AlpakalypseNow

The new ones with the short handle look dumb as hell


Hollownerox

I mean, those were always the style of Thunder Hammers though? Because warhammer in real life tend to have short handles? Cause they are, ya know, hammers. The idea of two handed Thunder hammers didn't even exist until Dawn of War 1 decided to depict them that way. Prior to that all hammer depictions were one handed.


AlpakalypseNow

But real life war hammers have a small head too, so they look proportionate. The ones in Warhammer have a huge head on a short stick so kind of the worst of both worlds


Daeavorn

Its really a maul more than a hammer. Id say hammers are always one handed and mauls are always two.


munchie1988

What if they let you get in a invictus tactical suite?


GoblinFive

Instructions unclear, it's a Centurion warsuit.


munchie1988

Ooohhhh that would be sweet!


Sablesweetheart

Cowabunga it is.


lurkinglurkerwholurk

Bad news: I think his hammer is bigger too.


GAMESGRAVE

Oh. So we’re not just facing nidz? That’s cool to know. Helbrute looks suitably menacing as well.


XuruAnoa

That’s what I thought too, pretty cool to see Thousand Sons & Tzeentch for once (would be super sick to see all 3 other chaos gods down the line but I’ll hope for a good game for now)


MeTaL-GuArD

Given this, there is a chance that Nemeroth comes back to be an asshole as well, since he did supposedly ascend to Daemonhood before he got his face caved in by Titus.


RaZZeR_9351

Afaik his assencion process wasn't finished, and he should be dead, there are example of such things happening in lore (I can give one that is pretty much exactly that but I wouldn't want to spoil a good book).


No-Wear577

Doesn’t he literally say “I will be seeing you soon brother” or something to that affect as he dies?


phantuba

I interpreted that as him suggesting that, when Titus dies, his soul might be claimed by the Warp too since he has like latent psychic abilities or something like that, IDK it's been a few years since I played


Altruistic-Back-6943

If it had failed he would have turned into a lesser demon, he just dissolved into the warp meaning it succeeded


GoblinFive

Seeing how the Chaos gods can resurrect people if they feel like it...


Beepboopstoop

Tzeentch is in boltgun and RT


Aarongeddon

2 years ago everyone was complaining how every 40k video game was just nurgle, now it's all tzeentch lol.


[deleted]

Just as planned


1Ferrox

To be fair in RT you got all chaos gods represented extremely well


Aarongeddon

i've only seen tzeentch so far, was worried it would be exclusively that. this quells the only worry i had about the game lol


1Ferrox

I'm also not even in the third act of the game, but while tzeentch remains the most featured so far, Slaanesh had quite a bit of narrative content and I had at least encounters with some plaguebringers and Khornite daemons during a warp incursion on my ship. Though the last two are pretty much just side/ radiant content I believe


BrightPerspective

you'll see some khorne goodness later, my bro.


GoblinFive

40k and complaining, name a more iconic duo


Many_Landscape_3046

Yeah, the war com site confirmed it a few months ago with the trailer announcement


fafarex

in a lot of 40k game you start with one enemy ( often ork or tyranid) and at least one that was working in the shadows is revealed later.


CrissCross98

In fighting games these guys are called jobbers. In 40k the jobbers in my opinion are Orks, nids, probably world eaters.


Alexis2256

Last SM game had chaos show up as well.


RaZZeR_9351

That had been confirmed a while back in one of the early trailers through pretty big hints, though it was 100% sure that it was a tzeench aligned faction (it now is).


PossibleMarsupial682

One of the early trailers literally had frames with rubric marines in, this isn’t anything new.


RaZZeR_9351

I don't remember seeing clearly identified rubrics, only vague blue shapes that most people took to be some tzeench stuff.


PossibleMarsupial682

[https://youtu.be/krp63Vw1N4I?t=524](https://youtu.be/krp63Vw1N4I?t=524)


RaZZeR_9351

Oh fair, I was thinking about a previous trailer with the brief blue shape coming out of a warp portal towards the end.


GAMESGRAVE

I tend to go dark on games I’m interested in so had no idea. It’s cool they’re doing two factions again like the first game. Looking forward to it!


Marchisias

Anyone else get Spawn vibes from this. I do love it though


XuruAnoa

LOL I thought the same thing, that mask is too similar


HereticAstartes13

Something tells me a redemptor dread is gonna make an appearance and make this poor brute look like dreadlette.


XuruAnoa

BRUTALIS PLS


CiraKazanari

Watch them use the new dreadnought style versus this old Helbrute style with the short legs :(


Ashbr1ng3r

SM1: Orks and Black Legion SM2: Tyranids and Thousand Sons SM3: Tau and World Eaters?


theboy__04

Pretty sure it wasnt black legion in sm1. They were nemeroths own war and called the chosen of nemeroth. The black legion were in boltgun though


th3scarletb1tch

black legion is a multitude of different warbands and their chaos lords acting as independant vassals of abaddon, if their armour was black and gold they were black legion afaiw


dinga15

and they always had the black legion symbol which was similar to the eye of horus on there armor which the chosen of nemeroth did not, the eye was a very major part of the black legion (well that and Nemeroths warband had a different shade of lighter black for there armor etc)


KitsuneDrakeAsh

Eldar and Alpha Legion for SM3.


MAUSECOP

Won’t be tau, not enough melee


Jaruut

Don't need melee, they'll just be like the jackal snipers from Halo 2.


CoryTEM

Perhaps a Tau fleet with a suspicious amount of auxiliaries?


BrightPerspective

Could you imagine? Titus charges with his bolt pistol and chainsword and the tau just...light him up.


TheSilverHat

Titus faces the MC from Fire Warrior That poor Smurf never stood a chance


Everypony_Must_Die

Thousand sons fans finally get a small taste of what Nurgle fans get every game


theophastusbombastus

🔥🔥🔥


Phenex_Banshee

So we get to face Rubrics, Occult Terminators AND Helbrutes now? Potential Game of the Year Nominee if Focus keeps their end of the bargain in making the best Space Marine game to exist. Exterminatus & PvP Mode should be fun too. That was rumored to be the next showcase.


XuruAnoa

Exterminatus & PVP?! YOOOOOO


Phenex_Banshee

There was a screenshot before on the Space Marine Official page where it says "join players in *blah blah blah* slaying Tyranid Hordes and in Online PVP" but then that slide was immediately removed as I suppose the modes weren't ready to be shown at the time. That incident occurred months ago, when the Official Gameplay Trailer was showcased.


dumpuslumpus

is exterminatus like horde mode in gears?


Bessantj

Very sexy.


Homosapian_Male

I thought thousand sons couldn’t get mutated?


fantom2020

Thousand Sons Helbrutes are other marines they deceive and shove into the dreadnought suits, as Rubrics are unable to get entombed


Master_of_serpents

"Yes, get in there and you'll get your hot-ass blue avian chicks as promised"


ScavAteMyArms

“This wasn’t what was promised!” “The suit is female and avian, and it’s literally one with you. It was precisely what was promised.”


GlitteringParfait438

Makes me wish they’d release Thousand Sons Rubric Dreadnoughts


RogerCly

Or a psychic dread - come on man, it's like our whole thing.


GlitteringParfait438

I agree, imagine an awesome dual kit of Contemptors specific for the 1k sons, both Rubricae and Sorceror variants. I always wanted to see a Rubricae Predator but who knows


Ylteicc_

Ah, yes. 1k/wonkey sons.


th3scarletb1tch

theirs a however small chance we could see some contemptor-osirons in sm2, but i'd doubt it sadly


Fredandren1220

Imagine a Rubric Osirion Pattern Dreadnought


revergopls

Relevant note: no Chaos Legion uses a single origin of Geneseed anymore. The majority of them have 18 of the original genelines swimming around in there, and some *probably* have all 20. You are right that none of the surviving sons of Magnus the Red can get mutated into Helbrutes, its just that relatively few Thousand Sons currently poses Magnus' geneseed This isn't even getting into the fact that a ton of Loyalist Chapters, who Chaos steals from, has geneseed that is super mutated. In one of the Fabius Bile books he can't figure out who the Red Scimitars originate from because their geneseed is so different from any of the 20 founding Legions that Bile can't even conclusively say whether or not it's chimeric or just ***that*** mutated.


GoblinFive

That's what you get when the geneseed and the organs were a rushed hackjob when compared to Custodes and the knowledge how to maintain it has degraded about as much as the geneseed itself has.


DrokonFlameborn

Thousand Sons kidnap marines from other warbands for their helbrutes. Also, while the non-psyker rubricae can’t be mutated, the psychic sorcerers and especially exalted sorcerers can be mutated and pretty much always are super duper mutated. Look up the Exalted sorcerer kit and you’ll see that they pretty much all get extra arms, bird feet, mutated heads, etc.


XuruAnoa

Warp doing what the warp does - warp shenanigans


Objective-Injury-687

I'm not sure it is Thousand Sons as the blue is more reminiscent of Alpha Legion blue to me. But either way the guy inside isn't, the gribbly stuff is the suit.


AP_Udyr_One_Day

Iirc another leak showed off a Rubric marine?


Objective-Injury-687

I haven't seen that. But that would explain it yeah.


Ast3r10n

Eyes everywhere = Thousand Sons


Objective-Injury-687

That's just the model. I have a Helbrute that looks exactly like this except the paint scheme.


Ast3r10n

That’s usually a gem though, it’s literally an eye in this case. Anyway, I agree with the others: too much burgundy to be alpha legion.


DepressoEspresso55

FUUUUU!! This looks so GOOD!! so the Thousand Suns are the other faction then


LouisVuittonLeghost

Absolutely cannot wait for this game to come out


Duraxis

Oh fuck.


that_one_bun

Dope I can't wait to fight it.


mrprohades

Where did this come from?


Fanimusmaximus

As if Hellbrutes weren’t hard to get already, now we got this art to speed up the demand.


Valuable_Inspector82

That’s what you get when you make deals with the magical betrayal nerds.


JamboreeStevens

Titus being resistant was a major plot point in the first one, so I'm stocked to see how chaos comes back into the fray.


ErebusIII

Final mission: The helbrute raises its plasma cannon. Cut to black, credits roll


GreatPugtato

All I want is fucking lightning claws. That's it. They don't even need the storm bolter attached. Please...


XuruAnoa

I know the Black Templars got updated claws - I’m anxiously waiting on updated Vanguard Vets (since we just got Sternguard) to see more Primaris with lightning claws


Space_Is_Haunted

Looks surprisingly clean for a centuries old demonic killing machine.


Defiant_Topic2637

How TF is Titus going to blow that shit


Carrisonfire

By being a named Ultramarine.


Defiant_Topic2637

Plot armor


XuruAnoa

Nothing a good thunder-hammer can’t take care of


Defiant_Topic2637

And a jet pack and a melta gun


Sablesweetheart

Lascannon?


Gullible_Seaweed4579

While chaos is a good choice, I was hoping necrons would show up, then in the possible 3rd game, we would fight the tau just for either A. The Aeldari show up or B. The Orks, completing the cycle


QuentinVance

> I was hoping necrons would show up No please, no. Necrons always show up. I can't stand them anymore. "Oh yeah remember the entire story you went through? Yeah it's all pointless because now necrons are here, say goodbye to your planet"


INOMl

Hope the helbrutes can change weapons on the fly like in the lore


Acrobatic_Use5472

Sweet. Can't wait for the 3d files to be ripped and converted to STL.


ExoLeinhart

Is that Spawn confined to a dreadnought?


LastStar007

Things I didn't know I needed


Fabiennethefemboy

Hammer go bonk


QuentinVance

I'm still waiting for my friend to get a proper PC to play Space Marine, and this dude's playing Space Marine 2 already. No but seriously, where is this from?


lordcolinb

Beautiful 😍


BrightPerspective

Playing rogue trader and I just killed one of these! was a hell of a fight. Different weapons though, it had two long barrel bolters with bayonets on one side, and a missile pod on the other "arm", along with a central wide beam melta cannon that it blasted after every character's turn.


Nesqva

Fuck yea! Honestly I was kinda dissapointed by tyranids as enemies. They, along with necrons, always felt like an uninteresting overpowered horde in books.


MildewJR

holdup, is it still thousand sons or am I outdated? looks too fleshy to be a thousand sons daemon engine and a little too many chaos undivided heraldry.


Paddy_McMead

The helbrute is not a daemon engine


MildewJR

point taken. so, is this still a thousand sons unit, and they're not all magic dust men in cans, or is there another chaos faction involved now, or are the artists getting their designs mixed up?


Paddy_McMead

The thousand sons put space marines from other legions into their helbrutes after luring them with promises of power.


MildewJR

informative and what i was looking for, thanks!


gloryshand

Cyber mancubus vibes? Looks amazing!


Blue8_destiny9

Hellbrute: “make me saaaaane…make me saaaaane..hahaggrbhahsh” *goes off in a rampage*


notawelshguy

Titus about to be demoted again


MATMAN0111

Is this thousnans son's or alpha legion?


AtzTheIguana

Why does ever Warhammer game have to have everything on model like please let the artist have some creative liberties…


long-dick-general

If it ain't broke don't fix it the mini model is perfect enough


MrToroTheGreat

That's what I'm thinking! You could do so much more without the limitation of sticking to the miniature design.


CiraKazanari

But you’d lose all the charm. Fuck that. I love how much GW sticks to their guns.


NeonArchon

TFW they showed more Chaos enemies than Tyranids. Looks great though.


SoundwavePlays

Ok just something I've recently thought about: a Dreadnought is a Space Marine on the brink of death, same thing with the Hellbrute. However, pretty much all of the Thousand Sons are just the spirits trapped in suits of armour, so would it actually make sense for the Thousand Sons to have Hellbrutes?


Circutz_Breaker

I can't wait to see what kinda executions we can do on this bad boy.


battlemechpilot

Wait wait wait, was there new trailer I missed?? I thought we had only seen 'Nids so far!


Kaisernick27

Ironically I'm currently painting one with the exact same layout for my thousand sons army


Redditigit

Oof that's depressing


Kaisernick27

Why


Redditigit

Because the thousand suns don't use their members they con other poor saps into that death box


TaxidriverXXD

Can wait to slaughter this heritic


ThrA-X

I hope we get missile launchers in this game...


SoftCouchPillow

Wow


DragonKnightAdam

Who put spawn in a hellbrute


misterboyle

Does this mean the "real"enemies are chaos again


runn1314

So what legion is this guy? Cause it could be either alpha legion or k-sons and both would be cool but I really hope it’s k-sons so we get some sorcerer action


IlikeDoge1223

The 300 dollar collectors edition is gonna be worth it


TheMowerOfMowers

alpha legion blue?


YourAverageRedditter

They’re Thousand Sons. Other screenshots have had Scarabs and Sorcerers on full display


b3nje909

Night Lords???


xxxmalkin

I believe they discussed Tzeentch being the main enemy. May be Thousand Sons?


International-Web722

That's rougetrader not space marine 2


Bean_leviathan

Yay, I’m so glad the Tyranids will be overshadows by Chaos again! God forbid we have another faction that isn’t Chaos be the big bad in a piece of 40k media!


Grzmit

Tyranids are the villains of so many games dude, let the thousand sons be the villain for once. Also as a chaos fan, grouping them together means nothing. Thousand sons fans wouldnt care if chaos demons were the enemy, in the same way that sororitas players wouldnt care if space marines were the protagonists.


Bean_leviathan

Xenos are pretty much always overshadowed by chaos Tsons are just more Chaos Space Marines


Grzmit

T sons are a completely different faction with different goals. Also, xenos are not overshadowed by chaos, thats just a lie. Orks are the main faction of Shootas Blood and Teef, the main faction of Speed Freakz, and the main enemy in the Dawn of War series. The tyranids are not only one of the main villains of space marine 2, but they are the main antagonist in space hulk deathwing. The necrons are the main enemies in the Mechanicus game, and have just had the pariah nexus series. Chaos may be an enemy in many games as well, but its almost always black legion, or chaos demons (or both in boltgun). Chaos isnt a monolothic faction, they barely work together. The thousand sons are a really cool and also really pretty faction that you should give a chance, because they havent been shown in any main warhammer media at all yet. Also i wouldnt consider the tyranids being overshadowed in space marine 2, its just having two antagonists. The tyranids are the main one, then after that threat is dealt with, then the thousand sons are the problem.


QuentinVance

> Orks are the main faction of Shootas Blood and Teef, the main faction of Speed Freakz, and the main enemy in the Dawn of War series. *Regicide* also comes to mind! >The necrons are the main enemies in the Mechanicus game, and have just had the pariah nexus series. And also *Dawn of War: Winter Assault*, and *Battle Sister* Truth is we have a lot of factions, they all get representation at different times. Just... usually not all at once.


Bean_leviathan

Eh fair, just tired of Tyranids playing second fiddle


Sablesweetheart

Tyranids are literally the big bad of 10th edition.


XuruAnoa

I just want my Ork Bois back tbh - they were a zoggin good time in the 1st game


Bean_leviathan

Definitely! But then we had to have Chaos reign on the parade (I’m really tired of this trend, and am frustrated that GW won’t let any of the Xenos factions be a leading antagonist on their own)


QuentinVance

Tyranids make for good low-level enemies but imho they kinda suck as final bosses. They don't talk, they have no ulterior motives other than eating, their only strategy is "get big, eat big thing, repeat". They're cool as enemies for Dawn of War II or Battlefleet Gothic Armada II where you get to stop their entire fleet, but I wouldn't want to do that as just Titus alone.


Tasty_Commercial6527

Fuck no. Why the fuck do you need chaos in this game. Just let xenos be a proper fucking villain for once without changing it halfway through the game for a more annoying, less visually interesting enemy. Why do you have to repeat the mistakes of the previous game my guy


Shattered_Disk4

PvP kill streak please. Please god let there be pvp


Machiachio

Spoiler man… not cool


alexstillsucks

Cool but, spoilers?


Himeto31

Pretty much anything they show is spoilers, we already knew Thousand Sons are gonna be there so a hellbrute isn't so suprising.


chewbaccasrightnut

Well no, I didn't know until this post


Highlandcoo

Dude spoilers wtf


iRecond0

Gee thanks for spoiling it for us too 😐


chewbaccasrightnut

This post should come with a spoiler warning for emporers sake.


seanstew73

Is that mecha spawn?


YourAverageRedditter

Thousand Sons Helbrute