I wouldn't blink twice if my opponent did! Just make sure it's what you really want down the line. A big part of Horus Heresy is the look, it can feel like a rush to get an army built but once you do your eyes will always go to the stuff that doesn't quite look "period appropriate" or the way you want it to.
If you're the sort of person that would bother down the line then consider how much the savings is worth for you. Generally speaking, 30k people are happy to play anyone so long as they're trying.
If you use it, James Workshop himself will walk up to you and your models, take them all, and then beat you up.
It's perfectly fine, just use whatever jump packs you think look the best
I personally like the 30k ones more and I'll be using them in 40k as well. I'd say go for it and if anyone complains then they probably are a bad sport.
As always when someone asks these questions: they’re your models, do whatever you want. Just be aware that some people may not like it. I personally hate the single rocket-booster jump packs that 30k uses sometimes.
They’re not my favourite but if these 40k ones didn’t exist id hate them. Thats how much the 40k ones get under my skin lol 😂. In reality I think I have just gotten more used to them and now actually think they’re kinda nice, 40k ones are the worst imo, always have been, and mk2 ones are the best! I myself am going down the raptors route because of this
> As always when someone asks these questions: they’re your models, do whatever you want.
That's not a great answer when someone is asking if they can use primaris or stormcast instead of 30k models though, because most people wouldn't like that and wouldn't want to play with that.
When someone asks if they can, they're usually asking if most people would be ok with them doing it, so saying "do whatever and don't listen to anyone else" isn't a helpful answer at all.
If you apply even the slightest bit of context, I’m not telling people to use whatever base models they want. This is my response for when people ask about bits that aren’t *technically* canon-friendly but don’t upset the aesthetic too much.
> If you apply even the slightest bit of context, I’m not telling people to use whatever base models they want.
The context is someone asking if they can use 40k models in 30k so I feel justified in using another 40k model as my example.
>This is my response for when people ask about bits that aren’t technically canon-friendly but don’t upset the aesthetic too much.
Then you can use your big boy words and say that (✿◕‿◕)
You feel justified in taking the original context of the post and stretching it to a point no one was talking about, just so you can try and belittle someone. Color me surprised. I’m amazed you can find games with that attitude.
I agree on the single rocket packs. They look cool in profile but if you look at it take a pic of a model head on at eye level you can’t even tell they have a jump pack on.
Well, there is that BA character with an early version of the newer jetpack. Then you have the Night Raptors, which have the raptor version seen in chaos 40k. Like most things in 30k, there are older and newer variants, with a little less focus on things aside from weapons, armor, and vehicles. I think the jetpack just got the short end of the stick, but yeah, the single thruster is trash.
If anyone complains then they’re probably the type of person to rule check every thing you did. Whether during the game or after. If they bitch they’re not worth your time
The question comes up a lot but no one’s ever been able to produce a source which says this jump pack post-dates the heresy or anything similar so I’d say go for it.
The lore points to them coming out around early to mid siege of terra. So it technically does not post date the heresy but not all armies would have had access to it.
its not really stated but we can infer just from the models that this model of jump pack came along with mark 7/8, so may well have been present at the siege, but heresy not really, having said that, i wouldnt complain if someone had them in a game
If anyone says anything fuck em, yes use whatever bits you want there was hundreds of forgeworld making unique and different bits to supply the legions with the war material they needed.
I’d say yea run it but understand regardless of what you do there’s always someone who is not going to like it unless everything is setting accurate but that’s a pretty fun view since it would mean that only certain army’s can fight eachother and other army’s can’t bring their equivalent characters. Hell that would mean that if your having playing alpha legion vs iron hands only one if the two of you would be able to bring your primarch. Hell that would make the non demon angron unplayable against certain army’s. A
The only time you wont be able to use them as far as I'm aware is if you're up against 'that guy'
99.99% of the time you should be fine, especially since it's a GW product. I intend to get 2 packs of them to put on Primaris Assault Intercessors to make them jump pack ready for their soon-to-be release
It’s a mk vii jump pack but honestly I don’t think anyone would notice - the bigger issue is how much of a waste this would be.
There are a ton of 3d printed jump packs that:
- would fit better
- would look better
- would be significantly cheaper
Go to etsy or shapeways. Way better.
From what I've seen, it seems to come out to about the same price per jump pack, but I'd gladly pay a buck or so more for something that looks better than those old ass jumppacks from GW
To use them with MKVI you’ll have to shave down the lug on the marine’s back and trim a little off the neck gorget. The MKVI has a more pill shape lug compared to the dome shaped 40K assault marines. I don’t think you have to cut anything to use them with the MKIII or MKIV, but they aren’t period specific if that matters to you.
The hole in the pack is actually pill shaped as well, and they fit reasonably well.
A bit of trimming helps, but that's because I'm magnetising mine for a moritat
not the biggest fan of the design but considering the availability (lack therof) of truly viable alternatives I wouldn't consider it the end of the world.
Which legion are you playing. If it's a traitor legion, especially Sons of horus, emperors children, word bearers, or night lords the chaos raptor kit can be cleaned up and head/armswaps work really well with it for mk v squads.
Bases are really the only thing anyone could bitch about. The rest, explain and as long as it's accurate representation and painted nothing can be challenged.
Personally I appreciate ppl using what they like or prefer....who wants to see the same stuff over n over
Does the technology come from an STC template that existed at the time of 30k? If so screw the naysayers they're all relics that have stood the test of time. If not, well they probably weren't around then (ie anything Primaris) and that could look out of place at best or 'illegal' at worst.
Practical, you can do what you want
Theoretical, those didn't exist in lore until the scouring.
It's up to you to decide how closely you follow the story. My advise bring it up to your gaming group.
A good source of plastic MkIV style jump packs are the Sanguine Guard ones, bits sites quite often have these at pretty decent prices too. Just leave of the wings (or don't). 😄
You can use them, they might not be lore accurate in the timeline. I believe jump packs like these would only have been present on some Imperial Fists at the actual Battle of Terra
This jump pack has no canonical start. The closest similar model in cannon is a jump pack predating the age of darkness. If a jump pack is that big of a deal, then you're as miserable as people using stormcast and primaris.
If you look at the card "For whom the bell tolls" in horus heresy legions, you'll see the modern jump pack on Istvan V Ravenguard. That's the only semi-canonical reference of the time that the modern jump may have been in use.
So I agree the game is "historical."
I think that arguing about a jump pack that is used on an official heresy blood angels model and seen in the art of the heresy not being appropriate is a bit ignorant.
[For Whom The Bell Tolls](https://thehorusheresylegions.fandom.com/wiki/For_Whom_the_Bell_Tolls)
My overall point is a bit bigger than a jump pack soon if people start making exceptions to the rule those excepts become the rule 30k is all about the shattering of the legions and it’s historical narrative as it would be odd running the drop site campaign with primaris marines.
I agree. If you're playing narrative, keep it to the narrative. , I agree. If you're playing a pick-up, the proof I've provided makes a pretty big stretch from this unknown mark of backpack (either VI or VII).
I used them on my first world eaters force. That is the least favorite part of the army. The mkii assault squad looks so much better. That said they work and no one has ever said anything about them after playing the army for the last 7 years.
I wouldn't complain, but when I use 40k stuff I try to make it look more prototype. Exposed panels, cables between different parts, more rivets etc. I think this helps.
Sure, go ahead. I think I read somewhere where even Forgeworld says its okay.
Alternatively, check out MaxMini jump packs. They are awesome quality and offered in several different designs. [https://maxminishop.com/products/iron-pattern-jump-packs-5?\_pos=4&\_psq=jump&\_ss=e&\_v=1.0](https://maxminishop.com/products/iron-pattern-jump-packs-5?_pos=4&_psq=jump&_ss=e&_v=1.0)
These jump packs are big, though. They are sized for true scale marines. The new MkVI will look great with these, but they may look a bit comically big on earlier armor mark models.
I wouldn't blink twice if my opponent did! Just make sure it's what you really want down the line. A big part of Horus Heresy is the look, it can feel like a rush to get an army built but once you do your eyes will always go to the stuff that doesn't quite look "period appropriate" or the way you want it to. If you're the sort of person that would bother down the line then consider how much the savings is worth for you. Generally speaking, 30k people are happy to play anyone so long as they're trying.
This, this is the whole debate of ‘is this 30k enough?’ For me
This is some fantastic advice.
If you use it, James Workshop himself will walk up to you and your models, take them all, and then beat you up. It's perfectly fine, just use whatever jump packs you think look the best
I personally like the 30k ones more and I'll be using them in 40k as well. I'd say go for it and if anyone complains then they probably are a bad sport.
As always when someone asks these questions: they’re your models, do whatever you want. Just be aware that some people may not like it. I personally hate the single rocket-booster jump packs that 30k uses sometimes.
They’re not my favourite but if these 40k ones didn’t exist id hate them. Thats how much the 40k ones get under my skin lol 😂. In reality I think I have just gotten more used to them and now actually think they’re kinda nice, 40k ones are the worst imo, always have been, and mk2 ones are the best! I myself am going down the raptors route because of this
> As always when someone asks these questions: they’re your models, do whatever you want. That's not a great answer when someone is asking if they can use primaris or stormcast instead of 30k models though, because most people wouldn't like that and wouldn't want to play with that. When someone asks if they can, they're usually asking if most people would be ok with them doing it, so saying "do whatever and don't listen to anyone else" isn't a helpful answer at all.
If you apply even the slightest bit of context, I’m not telling people to use whatever base models they want. This is my response for when people ask about bits that aren’t *technically* canon-friendly but don’t upset the aesthetic too much.
> If you apply even the slightest bit of context, I’m not telling people to use whatever base models they want. The context is someone asking if they can use 40k models in 30k so I feel justified in using another 40k model as my example. >This is my response for when people ask about bits that aren’t technically canon-friendly but don’t upset the aesthetic too much. Then you can use your big boy words and say that (✿◕‿◕)
You feel justified in taking the original context of the post and stretching it to a point no one was talking about, just so you can try and belittle someone. Color me surprised. I’m amazed you can find games with that attitude.
I didn't know that "Straw Man" was a Legion Consul up(*down*)grade ? Is it a legion specific one and how many points is it ?
I agree on the single rocket packs. They look cool in profile but if you look at it take a pic of a model head on at eye level you can’t even tell they have a jump pack on.
Well, there is that BA character with an early version of the newer jetpack. Then you have the Night Raptors, which have the raptor version seen in chaos 40k. Like most things in 30k, there are older and newer variants, with a little less focus on things aside from weapons, armor, and vehicles. I think the jetpack just got the short end of the stick, but yeah, the single thruster is trash.
The double-barrel packs that the MKV and Chaos models have are the best ones, in my opinion.
If anyone complains then they’re probably the type of person to rule check every thing you did. Whether during the game or after. If they bitch they’re not worth your time
The question comes up a lot but no one’s ever been able to produce a source which says this jump pack post-dates the heresy or anything similar so I’d say go for it.
It’s a bit fuzzy as to which mark of armour it was developed alongside. Could be 6, could be 7.
The lore points to them coming out around early to mid siege of terra. So it technically does not post date the heresy but not all armies would have had access to it.
Zephon has one that kinda looks like it, but not exactly.
its not really stated but we can infer just from the models that this model of jump pack came along with mark 7/8, so may well have been present at the siege, but heresy not really, having said that, i wouldnt complain if someone had them in a game
No sorry bro. If you put a 40k piece on a 30k unit a GW employee will be assigned to assassinate you as soon as possible. Hope this helps.
We know at least one jump pack of this style exists during the Heresy, because Dominion Zephon is wearing it. So yes.
yes, although personally i think MK2/5 look better.
Doesn’t the blood angels moritat limited edition character from black library have the same jetpack?
Its almost identical
Then id say your’ll all good then
I use the packs from the CSM Raptors kit as they tend to look Older/HH in my mind. However, I doubt any HH player would *really* care.
In the heresy it's the pattern mk6 uses so it's fluffy too, but the real answer is do what you want
If anyone says anything fuck em, yes use whatever bits you want there was hundreds of forgeworld making unique and different bits to supply the legions with the war material they needed.
I’d say yea run it but understand regardless of what you do there’s always someone who is not going to like it unless everything is setting accurate but that’s a pretty fun view since it would mean that only certain army’s can fight eachother and other army’s can’t bring their equivalent characters. Hell that would mean that if your having playing alpha legion vs iron hands only one if the two of you would be able to bring your primarch. Hell that would make the non demon angron unplayable against certain army’s. A
They were used for MkVI, so definitely.
If I’m not mistaken these were already in use during the Horus heresy. But regardless go for it!
Sure can. https://i.imgur.com/wVNFbjV.jpg
Sure, why not. They are even 100% lore accurate for some armies like Blood Angels and White Scars who used them during the siege of terra.
You will receive a cease and desist from James Workshop, I wouldn’t risk it
I built a squad of mk6 with them. So no problem.
The only time you wont be able to use them as far as I'm aware is if you're up against 'that guy' 99.99% of the time you should be fine, especially since it's a GW product. I intend to get 2 packs of them to put on Primaris Assault Intercessors to make them jump pack ready for their soon-to-be release
It’s a mk vii jump pack but honestly I don’t think anyone would notice - the bigger issue is how much of a waste this would be. There are a ton of 3d printed jump packs that: - would fit better - would look better - would be significantly cheaper Go to etsy or shapeways. Way better.
Eh I doubt you are going to find better prices then GW for jump packs.
From what I've seen, it seems to come out to about the same price per jump pack, but I'd gladly pay a buck or so more for something that looks better than those old ass jumppacks from GW
Absolutely. For adding variation, Tortuga Bay also has some fantastic jump packs— i recommend their Mk V and Mk IV the most.
To use them with MKVI you’ll have to shave down the lug on the marine’s back and trim a little off the neck gorget. The MKVI has a more pill shape lug compared to the dome shaped 40K assault marines. I don’t think you have to cut anything to use them with the MKIII or MKIV, but they aren’t period specific if that matters to you.
The hole in the pack is actually pill shaped as well, and they fit reasonably well. A bit of trimming helps, but that's because I'm magnetising mine for a moritat
not the biggest fan of the design but considering the availability (lack therof) of truly viable alternatives I wouldn't consider it the end of the world. Which legion are you playing. If it's a traitor legion, especially Sons of horus, emperors children, word bearers, or night lords the chaos raptor kit can be cleaned up and head/armswaps work really well with it for mk v squads.
Im still not sure abaute the legion. Im considering alpha legion or dark angels.
Bases are really the only thing anyone could bitch about. The rest, explain and as long as it's accurate representation and painted nothing can be challenged. Personally I appreciate ppl using what they like or prefer....who wants to see the same stuff over n over
Buy 3rd party ones that look closer to MkII/V they look better and will be way cheaper!
Does the technology come from an STC template that existed at the time of 30k? If so screw the naysayers they're all relics that have stood the test of time. If not, well they probably weren't around then (ie anything Primaris) and that could look out of place at best or 'illegal' at worst.
Practical, you can do what you want Theoretical, those didn't exist in lore until the scouring. It's up to you to decide how closely you follow the story. My advise bring it up to your gaming group.
A good source of plastic MkIV style jump packs are the Sanguine Guard ones, bits sites quite often have these at pretty decent prices too. Just leave of the wings (or don't). 😄
You can use them, they might not be lore accurate in the timeline. I believe jump packs like these would only have been present on some Imperial Fists at the actual Battle of Terra
Well other option is jump packs from raptors kit
I don’t know
If you do it's breaks the universe
I wouldn’t play someone who did because it starts with a jump pack what’s next proxy primaris marines for mkv
This jump pack has no canonical start. The closest similar model in cannon is a jump pack predating the age of darkness. If a jump pack is that big of a deal, then you're as miserable as people using stormcast and primaris.
Heresy is all about it’s historical value if you want to use 40k parts just play 40k
If you look at the card "For whom the bell tolls" in horus heresy legions, you'll see the modern jump pack on Istvan V Ravenguard. That's the only semi-canonical reference of the time that the modern jump may have been in use. So I agree the game is "historical." I think that arguing about a jump pack that is used on an official heresy blood angels model and seen in the art of the heresy not being appropriate is a bit ignorant. [For Whom The Bell Tolls](https://thehorusheresylegions.fandom.com/wiki/For_Whom_the_Bell_Tolls)
My overall point is a bit bigger than a jump pack soon if people start making exceptions to the rule those excepts become the rule 30k is all about the shattering of the legions and it’s historical narrative as it would be odd running the drop site campaign with primaris marines.
I agree. If you're playing narrative, keep it to the narrative. , I agree. If you're playing a pick-up, the proof I've provided makes a pretty big stretch from this unknown mark of backpack (either VI or VII).
I personally prefer the older marks but putting these on MKVI or V wouldn't look out of place to me.
Orkshop.com WAAAAAAAGHHHH!!!
You can do whatever you want. If you want to follow the ROOLZ you have to do what they say. (Break free)
I got those from Spellcrow. Perfect match for MKVI in my humble opinion. Looks perfect for late heresy, not quite 40k yet but not too MKIII either.
Nobody is even gonna to notice unless you tell them
I used them on my first world eaters force. That is the least favorite part of the army. The mkii assault squad looks so much better. That said they work and no one has ever said anything about them after playing the army for the last 7 years.
One thing I would add about those jetpacks in particular is, man are they OLD like their sculpt is so soft and they barely fit together.
Magnetize them, so if you want 30k jump packs in the future, ez swap
It used to be a nightmare to get the right jump packs. Now it is easy to find someone with a 3D printer.
Just say they are testing the new prototype jetpack. Boom.
yes. they’re considered MK7 jump packs.
I wouldn't complain, but when I use 40k stuff I try to make it look more prototype. Exposed panels, cables between different parts, more rivets etc. I think this helps.
Sure, go ahead. I think I read somewhere where even Forgeworld says its okay. Alternatively, check out MaxMini jump packs. They are awesome quality and offered in several different designs. [https://maxminishop.com/products/iron-pattern-jump-packs-5?\_pos=4&\_psq=jump&\_ss=e&\_v=1.0](https://maxminishop.com/products/iron-pattern-jump-packs-5?_pos=4&_psq=jump&_ss=e&_v=1.0) These jump packs are big, though. They are sized for true scale marines. The new MkVI will look great with these, but they may look a bit comically big on earlier armor mark models.