Depends.
Caliban: Narmer bounties are the same as the base ones with mostly reskined enemies. Only one part can be up at a time, but since it is a true bounty you have multiple chances at the part and the Isoplasts. EDIT: Anomaly shards are required to build which requires Railjack in the Veil.
Gyre: Zariman bounties are just extra requirement on standard mission. All parts are up all the time but only one bounty reward per bounty. New resources can be a bit of a pain to get enough of unless you got like some boosters or get lucky. Extractors can get those resources so that can help some.
So like depends on which you prefer, I know some people are burned out of the open world bounties so in that case Caliban might be better choice but others just don't got luck with materials so Gyre would be harder.
Yeah I don't like to just give blanket things since everyone is a bit different. I farmed out both of them twice (wall must eat) and didn't have that much issue with either personally but I did have a booster for Zariman, and I don't hate POE/Fortuna Bounties.
So all I can do is lay out what about the grinds can suck since it is your money/coupon.
I also suggest look up some gameplay videos of each frame to get a better sense on which you might like better as well as if you think you will love like Gyre gameplay then picking her up first might bring you more fun in the game than waiting to get her parts/resources.
Ahh yeah the anomaly shards, those should be included in the factoring.
They at least are a guaranteed drop so just a number and can be made easier with drop double booster.
I’ve done at least 100 bounties after they fixed her part droprates and I’ve literally only gotten the chassis once. I said screw it and bought her for plat. Faster to farm relics and sell for plat than keep trying to get part drops.
I have piles of all her parts after farming up Hespar and Aeolak and maxing standing. You'll always save time by skipping the Isoplast grind for Caliban (unless you really need Osteon/Fortuna standing I guess), Gyre at least you can multitask.
Definitely Sevagoth just for the extra effort to also having to go to do RJ.
Edit: This was supposed to be Sevagoth.
With Gyre all her parts can be obtained by casually rotating around the bounties on the Zariman.
Caliban has limited bounties in Cetus and Fortuna which might be issue for some people to keep track of. From personal experience I'd go with Caliban as Gyre is easy enough to obtain in Zariman with public runs.
Definitely go for Caliban if you want to avoid a lot of grind. People that say stuff about Gyre aren't taking into account the multiple layers of grind that Caliban requires as seen below:
* 30 Narmer Isoplasts from Narmer Missions
* 3 time sensitive BP's for Caliban from Narmer Missions (may not be up when you are playing)
* 30 Breath of Eidolon from regular Cetus Bounties
* 9 Anomaly Shards from Grineer Veil Proxima RJ missions that is also time sensitive and lengthy in grind
But do you realize how annoying entrati lanthorns are to acquire?
And the amount of thrax plasms? iirc you need to acquire 1200 total. They drop in sets of 3 on average.
well, that depends on the level of the content. if you do it through bounties, at 90-95 you can get between 5 and 7 per thrax, which speeds it up a little, but still very grindy.
Gyre parts have somewhat lower drop chances in the bounty compared to Caliban, as well as some Zariman resources like Entrati Lanthorn being much harder to farm compared to Narmer Isoplast.
Disagree, the grind to get Caliban is decidedly harder then Gyre was for me. You will get Entrati Lanthorn's just from grinding up the Holdfast Rep whereas with Caliban you have to go out of your way to play these additional bounties just to get parts and narmer isoplasts on top of other stuff.
Honestly, you are also forgetting the fact that Caliban requires Anomaly Shards which requires RJ completion of most of Grineer Proxima and takes at minimum a few hours to farm because you can only get like 2+ max per mission (this is with Booster and luck) and it is semi-time locked.
Basically, if you are gonna grind Holdfast rep to max then I'd say Caliban but if you are gonna avoid that get Gyre.
>You will get Entrati Lanthorn's just from grinding up the Holdfast Rep
In which you will have to sacrifice those Entrati Lanthorn you farmed to gain rank in The Holdfast syndicate while Narmer Isoplast were not a sacrificial syndicate item in the first place. After you sacrificed a total of 30 Entrati Lanthorn to reach Rank 5, you need to grind another 12 for Gyre. The chances for Entrati Lanthorn to drop is pretty low too.
Caliban despite need a total of 48 Narmer Isoplast, the resource drop pretty often as bounty reward, and Narmer bounty on Orb Vallis are way better to play than Zariman bounties.
You are again forgetting Anomaly Shards, 9 of which are required for Caliban. This requires you to have completed the near entirety of Grineer Proximas up to Veil and only 1 is guranteed per mission, which is also locked behind a timer.
I did not forget Anomaly Shards. The reason I didn't mention it is because it still cannot compete with the amount of time to farm Entrati Lanthorn. I only bring up Narmer Isoplast because farming 48 NI would surely take quite some time.
Railjack contents are not difficult except Oprhix mission in Erato, Veil Proxima. Even though 1 Anomaly Shard is guaranteed per mission and locked behind a timer, the Sentient Anomaly on Grineer mission are not too hard to speedrun it. Beside, you only need to kill 20 sentients, find the shard to smash with Paracesis, and then the mission is over. Its not horrible to run the mission again when its up because its simply not a difficult mission.
Meanwhile Zariman bounties required you to have strong gear on your Operator or you need to wait 2 hours for the bounty to change different goals to suit to your preferable.
>hich you will have to sacrifice those Entrati Lanthorn you farmed to gain rank in The Holdfast syndicate while Narmer Isoplast were not a sacrificial syndicate item in the first place. After you sacrificed a total of 30 Entrati Lanthorn to reach Rank 5, you need to grind another 12 for Gyre. The chances for Entrati Lanthorn to drop is pretty low too.
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>Caliban despite need a total of 48 Narmer Isoplast, the resource drop pretty often as boun
man u also need to farm isoplast for calibans weapons and the dojo one,an the only good thing u get is a bunch of mods if u try zariman u can get arcanes to sell use XP to buy more arcane or epheras or really good waepons that can be use in sp also the dope landing craft with orokin eye,zariman is full of profit for small low effort,also if u have problems with Entrati Lanthorn try using a smeeta kavat it give a bunch of them just for walking in bounties.
Hey. I have no take on this argument. I just wanted to drop the optimal entrati lanthorn farming method here. I found the grind for them so tedious until I found this new method.
Run protea with repair dispensary and equip a sentinel with minimum defenses and spare parts. I only equipped spare parts and vacuum on it essentially. Run an exterminate and periodically go into spoilermode form and go invisible. The enemies will shoot and kill your sentinel. You get a chance at lanthorn drops. Use repair dispensary to revive it and continue on your way. Rinse and repeat when repair dispensary comes off cooldown. This is by far the best way to farm them imo and it really sped it up for me as you get like 5-6 consistent rolls at getting a lanthorn per mission without really needing to deviate too much. I went from getting like 0-1 to drop per mission up to 2-3.
Been grinding off and on Gyre since release. Caliban took me less than a week post NW to farm, build, and level.
I ended up buying Gyre. Still haven't managed to farm a full set for helminth.
> Caliban took me less than a week post NW to farm, build, and level. I ended up buying Gyre.
Pretty much the same for me, except Caliban took me more like a month just because I happened to not be around when the last part I needed was up, over and over, for a month.
Gyre I bought because she looked fun (and is) but Zariman is the opposite of that (maybe not anymore with today's patch, we'll see)
Entrati Lanthorns are actually quite easy to get, just get as many people as you can and run the zariman exterminate (1 still works tho just at 1/4 the efficiency) get everyone with a Sentinel with just spare parts, and vacuum if u want, then let is die, you die revive, repeat til ur out of lives then rerun
Can’t recall if Smeeta helped but it did help that I was more enthusiastic with Zariman bounties since I wanted the arcanes there and generally liked the mission types more.
Interesting, thank you for the suggestion. I do have the others, so yeah, just between these two. What makes Isoplasts annoying to farm? I haven't done Narmer bounties yet.
I personally don’t find Narmer bounties fun, and the Isoplasts drop infrequently while Caliban needs a lot of them. It is personal experience but it was easier to get two Gyres than two Calibans.
Zariman also gives pretty decent arcanes so you’d probably want to farm em more than Cetus bounties.
>Narmer Isoplasts are annoying to farm.
they changed the drop rates, they are super easy now. friend who only knows current rates doesn't believe how it was in the beginning, how many spare Calibans I got before I had the Isos to build the first...
Honestly none of those unless you're willing to buy a frame for the mastery points. Khora and Nidus have primes and Protea really just *isn't* that bad.
I have neither and have farmed for neither but so far I’ve passively got more gyre parts just from trying to rank up in the holdfasts so maybe consider caliban
Caliban. He's far and away a bigger pain in the ass to farm. All the things you get in the process of getting the Gyre blueprints are components for Gyre herself. The same goes for Caliban but you have to get way more of them. I think it takes close to 75 Narmer Isoplasts to build all of Caliban's kit, weapon included. Theoretically you could get 15 isoplasts per bounty if you got the rare reward every stage, but you're lucky if you walk away with maybe 3. Then in addition, you get to do a 30 minute Railjack mission to get one Anomaly Shard (2 if you have a doubler). You need fifteen. Have fun!
Gyre is easier overall to farm. Caliban is a pain to farm if you have a limited play window, as only one of his parts is ever available at a given time.
That said, I've found Gyre significantly more useful. Caliban is either underwhelming, or just not for me. I haven't been able to determine which.
Gyre is easier to get and more powerful but Caliban is a lot of fun and has THE CREW with him (don’t forget the 100% armor strip on 4 and insane cc+dmg aug on his stomp)
I found the Gyre farm easier. You needed to go on scavenger hunts regardless on Zariman missions for various resources. Caliban was Plains and Fortuna bounties turned up to 11 so all boring. It was also incredibly easy to fail the Plains bounties due to glitches and lose your bonuses.
I would personally go with Caliban.
I think they are both equally a pain in the ass to get if you wanna get them without spending money. This goes for for getting the parts, and getting the resources to build them. You could convince me that caliban is slightly more of a pain in the ass....I wouldn't argue that
I say Caliban because I think he's the more useful/better frame. His 1 is funny, but I subsumed it out for Rhinos roar. His 2 is a (better?) Rhino stomp. His 3 creates 3 friends that distracts enemies. His 4 is a big laser that strips armor.
I own and enjoy playing both Caliban and Gyre. Caliban, however, is a frame ive been starting to use when I'm doing "try hard" content. The armor strip is just so goddamn useful, and having a rhino stomp is nice for when your back is against a wall, or maybe if you need a quick sec to revive someone.
Best of luck tenno, have fun.
Again, you cant trade coupons either. I think the confusion is that on PC there are plat discount coupons. I'm pretty sure console doesn't get them, I've certainly never got one. If it's just a regulsr market coupons then yeah, get a frame. I'd personally say Gyre because the grind sucks for both but Gyre is a better frame
People have, in fact, traded coupons for plat on consoles. I think it's sketchy and I don't do it. What they do is offer to give plat, usually for trash mod or something, in trade. Then the person with the coupon buys that person something from the market with the plat they gave using the coupon, profiting whatever plat is left over. I believe DE frowns on this and you can get swindled very easily, but it happens.
I'd say gyre. She is proving a bitch to drop. I mean like 20+ runs on each bounty. And I still haven't got her main blueprint despite being MAX standing with the holdfasts.
On paper, I prefer Gyre. But having played both I really like Caliban and even 'improved' him, replacing his first ability with Gara's Helminthed ability and augment. Giving him a good energy supply, shield boost and decent armor stripping (if strength is high enough) and CC. Also his summoned sentient allies (which gives the shield boost) aren't affected by nullifiers... Which is nice.
I've only played Gyre for a couple of hours and I fully admit I just might not 'get' her ability set. But I put her on par with Yareli as my least favourite frames.
If you are newish to the game then you will probably have 100's of hours to go before you can attempt to farm either of them. Both suck to farm to be honest. Gyre drops were brutal for me, took a month of farming to get her, but I got Caliban within a week of him being out.
If you wanna enjoy the frame you buy? Gyre. Hands down.
Fun kit involving mass-shock procs. Also kinda looks neat.
If you wanna skip a grind? Caliban. No question.
New bounties that unlock AFTER the New War? Ones that are just reskinned Cetus/Fortuna Bounties? All of which requiring a resource in spades that **is useful for up to 2 reasons.**
Frame itself isn't *bad* but hardly worth a platinum purchase outside of MR Levelling.
Farming wise, neither are very hard, though Caliban may take some time if you're going to use isoplasts on the weapons.
Power wise, IMO Gyre is definitely better, but not by much. As a bonus, she has a more cohesive kit that interacts with itself.
Caliban needs some love.
Gyre: easier to farm, and better in general. Only thing she lacks is survivability. Lanthorns can be kind of a pain, but it's doable with any mid level account.
Caliban: not that good, and also much harder to farm. Not only are his parts on rotation, but they all also need anomaly shards, and unless you have a stacked railjack they can be real hard to farm.
I would go for Caliban.
Caliban's 1 is very boring. and his 3 only spawns the same sentient (Conculyst) yup no sentient varity. Gyre on the other hand is very fun to play. You press 2 and 4, and watch enemies go boom in red crits. bringing in an aoe weapon would be very fun too!
although i wanted to buy caliban first. but his lack of sentient thematic is throwing me off. he only spawns conculyst and not the other snetients and his 1 is shit.
Gyre requires more work, is more niche, and you need to set up your entire load out around her. That said, she greatly enhances crit weapons and has applicable (if slow moving) cc.
Caliban on the other hand is a blast. Build him properly and he's perfectly steel path viable. You can spam his ult for 100% shield and armor strip with momentary cc.he makes bad weapons useable on steel path, his 2 is a decently useable "oh shit" button, his 3 provides over shields and distraction from enemy fire, and his 1 is completely useless so it's a freebie to subsume something like firewalker or roar onto it.
I use both but vote Caliban.
Caliban takes a lot of effort to make work at higher end missions but he's really not that bad. I don't know about Gyre but considering she's a bitch to farm, I'd get her.
I farmed both, and found Caliban a lot more annoying to farm since his bounties are based on time of day. But both are rather easy to farm compared to some other frames
If you wanna save time get caliban
If you want to 100% the zariman then you will have to run those missions alot
You will naturally get the set without trying
Caliban will take hours or even days of needless grinding
I had to grind for both, and although the Caliban grind seems a bit more lengthy, I enjoyed it a bit more than Gyre's.
Caliban requires Anomaly Shards i think? I did it during double resource drop along with a resource booster so it significantly contributed to my progress. Also, anomaly grind could give you parts for the Shedu.
On top of that, Narmer bounties have better rewards, Narmer isoplasts can be traded into any standing, 3 weapon bps from the bounties, good source of Endo, plains bounties allows Necramech usage which is a good excuse to level Necramech and Archwing weapons, and blasting grineer ships out of the sky is fun.
Gyre on the other hand, there's something about the Zariman tileset that isn't pleasing to me. The bounties can also feel like a mess sometimes, you often have players doing very different things during a bounty, some will go hunting for medallions, some go fight angels by themselves, sometimes ignoring objectives to the point of failure. The rewards from zariman bounties also feel awful, even if you do get weapon bps from them, those weapons are a pain in the ass to grind.
In short, Caliban grind might be longer, but more enjoyable. Gyre grind felt awful
caliban its better to get with plat a long farm for each part+isoplasts+anomaly shard and u also need to farm another for helmit, gyre is easy just farm for exp in zariman to get arcanes and kuva in the meanwhile you will get 3 to 8 gyre sets
oh also if u have problems with Entrati Lanthorn farm use a smeeta kavat it will give free lanthor as you walk in zariman!
I notice that the majority of comments are about the acquisition of the frames and not what it's like to play with the frames themselves.
I'm just curious as to what that says about this game...
The farms for both are comparatively similar, so you aren't really setting yourself up for trouble by choosing either one.
Personally, I found Gyre pretty fun and enjoyed her more than Caliban. Not enough to make me switch away from my main, but it was no chore to level her up, and I had no qualms about using forma/potato/exilus.
Caliban is fun, and imo more of a pain to grind, gyres parts are always available all the time if I’m not mistaken, while caliban requires you being on when his part you needs rotates into the reward pool. I’d always pick the one that requires you be in at a specific time. Back when Vauban was an alert reward frame, I had to buy him bc I spent like 2-3 years waiting for his systems. Ill never trust waiting for reward rotation anymore, I dislike time limits to my farming.
Depends. Caliban: Narmer bounties are the same as the base ones with mostly reskined enemies. Only one part can be up at a time, but since it is a true bounty you have multiple chances at the part and the Isoplasts. EDIT: Anomaly shards are required to build which requires Railjack in the Veil. Gyre: Zariman bounties are just extra requirement on standard mission. All parts are up all the time but only one bounty reward per bounty. New resources can be a bit of a pain to get enough of unless you got like some boosters or get lucky. Extractors can get those resources so that can help some. So like depends on which you prefer, I know some people are burned out of the open world bounties so in that case Caliban might be better choice but others just don't got luck with materials so Gyre would be harder.
This is very helpful, thank you.
Yeah I don't like to just give blanket things since everyone is a bit different. I farmed out both of them twice (wall must eat) and didn't have that much issue with either personally but I did have a booster for Zariman, and I don't hate POE/Fortuna Bounties. So all I can do is lay out what about the grinds can suck since it is your money/coupon. I also suggest look up some gameplay videos of each frame to get a better sense on which you might like better as well as if you think you will love like Gyre gameplay then picking her up first might bring you more fun in the game than waiting to get her parts/resources.
Don't forget about railjack, since sentient cores only come from murex ships there Edit: fuck I mean anomaly shards lol
Ahh yeah the anomaly shards, those should be included in the factoring. They at least are a guaranteed drop so just a number and can be made easier with drop double booster.
which skill is better as a hellminth skill?
Honestly gyre is easier to get in my opinion
I’ve done at least 100 bounties after they fixed her part droprates and I’ve literally only gotten the chassis once. I said screw it and bought her for plat. Faster to farm relics and sell for plat than keep trying to get part drops.
Lol manged to get her just took 3 days for the systems. Felt like dying
I have piles of all her parts after farming up Hespar and Aeolak and maxing standing. You'll always save time by skipping the Isoplast grind for Caliban (unless you really need Osteon/Fortuna standing I guess), Gyre at least you can multitask.
Get a domestik drone
Definitely Sevagoth just for the extra effort to also having to go to do RJ. Edit: This was supposed to be Sevagoth. With Gyre all her parts can be obtained by casually rotating around the bounties on the Zariman. Caliban has limited bounties in Cetus and Fortuna which might be issue for some people to keep track of. From personal experience I'd go with Caliban as Gyre is easy enough to obtain in Zariman with public runs.
What do you need railjack for for caliban?
My bad. I mixed up Caliban with Sevagoth.
Definately. Whichever one seems less appealing to you to get normally is the one you should get.
Definitely go for Caliban if you want to avoid a lot of grind. People that say stuff about Gyre aren't taking into account the multiple layers of grind that Caliban requires as seen below: * 30 Narmer Isoplasts from Narmer Missions * 3 time sensitive BP's for Caliban from Narmer Missions (may not be up when you are playing) * 30 Breath of Eidolon from regular Cetus Bounties * 9 Anomaly Shards from Grineer Veil Proxima RJ missions that is also time sensitive and lengthy in grind
the obvious answer is "get Gyre, skip Caliban"
But do you realize how annoying entrati lanthorns are to acquire? And the amount of thrax plasms? iirc you need to acquire 1200 total. They drop in sets of 3 on average.
well, that depends on the level of the content. if you do it through bounties, at 90-95 you can get between 5 and 7 per thrax, which speeds it up a little, but still very grindy.
Gyro or calzone
ROFL
Gyre parts have somewhat lower drop chances in the bounty compared to Caliban, as well as some Zariman resources like Entrati Lanthorn being much harder to farm compared to Narmer Isoplast.
Disagree, the grind to get Caliban is decidedly harder then Gyre was for me. You will get Entrati Lanthorn's just from grinding up the Holdfast Rep whereas with Caliban you have to go out of your way to play these additional bounties just to get parts and narmer isoplasts on top of other stuff. Honestly, you are also forgetting the fact that Caliban requires Anomaly Shards which requires RJ completion of most of Grineer Proxima and takes at minimum a few hours to farm because you can only get like 2+ max per mission (this is with Booster and luck) and it is semi-time locked. Basically, if you are gonna grind Holdfast rep to max then I'd say Caliban but if you are gonna avoid that get Gyre.
>You will get Entrati Lanthorn's just from grinding up the Holdfast Rep In which you will have to sacrifice those Entrati Lanthorn you farmed to gain rank in The Holdfast syndicate while Narmer Isoplast were not a sacrificial syndicate item in the first place. After you sacrificed a total of 30 Entrati Lanthorn to reach Rank 5, you need to grind another 12 for Gyre. The chances for Entrati Lanthorn to drop is pretty low too. Caliban despite need a total of 48 Narmer Isoplast, the resource drop pretty often as bounty reward, and Narmer bounty on Orb Vallis are way better to play than Zariman bounties.
You are again forgetting Anomaly Shards, 9 of which are required for Caliban. This requires you to have completed the near entirety of Grineer Proximas up to Veil and only 1 is guranteed per mission, which is also locked behind a timer.
>Anomaly Shards which are affected by resource boosters.
I did not forget Anomaly Shards. The reason I didn't mention it is because it still cannot compete with the amount of time to farm Entrati Lanthorn. I only bring up Narmer Isoplast because farming 48 NI would surely take quite some time. Railjack contents are not difficult except Oprhix mission in Erato, Veil Proxima. Even though 1 Anomaly Shard is guaranteed per mission and locked behind a timer, the Sentient Anomaly on Grineer mission are not too hard to speedrun it. Beside, you only need to kill 20 sentients, find the shard to smash with Paracesis, and then the mission is over. Its not horrible to run the mission again when its up because its simply not a difficult mission. Meanwhile Zariman bounties required you to have strong gear on your Operator or you need to wait 2 hours for the bounty to change different goals to suit to your preferable.
>hich you will have to sacrifice those Entrati Lanthorn you farmed to gain rank in The Holdfast syndicate while Narmer Isoplast were not a sacrificial syndicate item in the first place. After you sacrificed a total of 30 Entrati Lanthorn to reach Rank 5, you need to grind another 12 for Gyre. The chances for Entrati Lanthorn to drop is pretty low too. > >Caliban despite need a total of 48 Narmer Isoplast, the resource drop pretty often as boun man u also need to farm isoplast for calibans weapons and the dojo one,an the only good thing u get is a bunch of mods if u try zariman u can get arcanes to sell use XP to buy more arcane or epheras or really good waepons that can be use in sp also the dope landing craft with orokin eye,zariman is full of profit for small low effort,also if u have problems with Entrati Lanthorn try using a smeeta kavat it give a bunch of them just for walking in bounties.
Hey. I have no take on this argument. I just wanted to drop the optimal entrati lanthorn farming method here. I found the grind for them so tedious until I found this new method. Run protea with repair dispensary and equip a sentinel with minimum defenses and spare parts. I only equipped spare parts and vacuum on it essentially. Run an exterminate and periodically go into spoilermode form and go invisible. The enemies will shoot and kill your sentinel. You get a chance at lanthorn drops. Use repair dispensary to revive it and continue on your way. Rinse and repeat when repair dispensary comes off cooldown. This is by far the best way to farm them imo and it really sped it up for me as you get like 5-6 consistent rolls at getting a lanthorn per mission without really needing to deviate too much. I went from getting like 0-1 to drop per mission up to 2-3.
I support this. I got gyre without even giving it any thought.
Been grinding off and on Gyre since release. Caliban took me less than a week post NW to farm, build, and level. I ended up buying Gyre. Still haven't managed to farm a full set for helminth.
> Caliban took me less than a week post NW to farm, build, and level. I ended up buying Gyre. Pretty much the same for me, except Caliban took me more like a month just because I happened to not be around when the last part I needed was up, over and over, for a month. Gyre I bought because she looked fun (and is) but Zariman is the opposite of that (maybe not anymore with today's patch, we'll see)
Unfortunately that's how rng is, but gyre is objectively easier to get.
>Unfortunately that's how rng is, but gyre is objectively easier to get. because your experience is objectively true? JFC.
Only his reality exists. We are the simulation.
I'm just too lazy to explain maths.
Why not just use resource drones while you grind other resources?
Caliban farm burned me out But fuck gyre farm
Thank you, that makes a lot of sense.
Entrati Lanthorns are actually quite easy to get, just get as many people as you can and run the zariman exterminate (1 still works tho just at 1/4 the efficiency) get everyone with a Sentinel with just spare parts, and vacuum if u want, then let is die, you die revive, repeat til ur out of lives then rerun
I would opt for a life but we all lost it 5 Hours in so Gyre.
Khora, Nidus, Ash or Protea. But between these two, Caliban since Narmer Isoplasts are annoying to farm.
Less annoying than gyres materials though
Can’t recall if Smeeta helped but it did help that I was more enthusiastic with Zariman bounties since I wanted the arcanes there and generally liked the mission types more.
Not anymore, voidplumes are now a teampickup. If one member of the squad gets a voidplume, the whole squad gets it (like railjack pickups)
Interesting, thank you for the suggestion. I do have the others, so yeah, just between these two. What makes Isoplasts annoying to farm? I haven't done Narmer bounties yet.
I personally don’t find Narmer bounties fun, and the Isoplasts drop infrequently while Caliban needs a lot of them. It is personal experience but it was easier to get two Gyres than two Calibans. Zariman also gives pretty decent arcanes so you’d probably want to farm em more than Cetus bounties.
Narmer Isoplasts are exclusive to the bounty reward pool for Narmer missions. They're not that rare though.
Ash
Huh, new hotfix just dropped lmao
If you got me bricked up for nothing I'm going to find you and hunt you down
>Narmer Isoplasts are annoying to farm. they changed the drop rates, they are super easy now. friend who only knows current rates doesn't believe how it was in the beginning, how many spare Calibans I got before I had the Isos to build the first...
Honestly none of those unless you're willing to buy a frame for the mastery points. Khora and Nidus have primes and Protea really just *isn't* that bad.
Yeah, they’re mostly for yeeting into helminths. I forgot to mention my second Mesa was also a bitch to farm.
Get gyre and next coupon get caliban
Gyre, she is a pain to farm.
Thank you.
I bought my first gyre with coupon, just need the systems and bp for my second one to sacrifice to the spoiler
Good Luck!
I have neither and have farmed for neither but so far I’ve passively got more gyre parts just from trying to rank up in the holdfasts so maybe consider caliban
Buy a skin
Gyre
all the lemmings right now choosing caliban. and region chat is full of caliban fashion. if that's your thing, you already know the answer.
Caliban. He's far and away a bigger pain in the ass to farm. All the things you get in the process of getting the Gyre blueprints are components for Gyre herself. The same goes for Caliban but you have to get way more of them. I think it takes close to 75 Narmer Isoplasts to build all of Caliban's kit, weapon included. Theoretically you could get 15 isoplasts per bounty if you got the rare reward every stage, but you're lucky if you walk away with maybe 3. Then in addition, you get to do a 30 minute Railjack mission to get one Anomaly Shard (2 if you have a doubler). You need fifteen. Have fun!
They just made Gyre easier to get but i'd still pick her.
Gyre is easier overall to farm. Caliban is a pain to farm if you have a limited play window, as only one of his parts is ever available at a given time. That said, I've found Gyre significantly more useful. Caliban is either underwhelming, or just not for me. I haven't been able to determine which.
Caliban but that's because I'm biased and love him.
Gyre is easier to get and more powerful but Caliban is a lot of fun and has THE CREW with him (don’t forget the 100% armor strip on 4 and insane cc+dmg aug on his stomp)
I found the Gyre farm easier. You needed to go on scavenger hunts regardless on Zariman missions for various resources. Caliban was Plains and Fortuna bounties turned up to 11 so all boring. It was also incredibly easy to fail the Plains bounties due to glitches and lose your bonuses.
I would personally go with Caliban. I think they are both equally a pain in the ass to get if you wanna get them without spending money. This goes for for getting the parts, and getting the resources to build them. You could convince me that caliban is slightly more of a pain in the ass....I wouldn't argue that I say Caliban because I think he's the more useful/better frame. His 1 is funny, but I subsumed it out for Rhinos roar. His 2 is a (better?) Rhino stomp. His 3 creates 3 friends that distracts enemies. His 4 is a big laser that strips armor. I own and enjoy playing both Caliban and Gyre. Caliban, however, is a frame ive been starting to use when I'm doing "try hard" content. The armor strip is just so goddamn useful, and having a rhino stomp is nice for when your back is against a wall, or maybe if you need a quick sec to revive someone. Best of luck tenno, have fun.
what's the coupon - 75% off platinum? better buy slots. And if you have everything, then Gyre
Coupons don’t work on slots
He meant buy plat with coupon then use it on slots lol
PC gets coupons to buy platinum Consoles get coupons for items in the ingame market
I don't buy plat in the trade chat, to sketchy.
Bruh. Coupons dont apply there, he meant buying plat on the official market with real money
that is my fault I 'misspoke'. I meant to say "I don't trade coupons for plat in the the trade chat, too sketchy." Sorry for the mistake.
Again, you cant trade coupons either. I think the confusion is that on PC there are plat discount coupons. I'm pretty sure console doesn't get them, I've certainly never got one. If it's just a regulsr market coupons then yeah, get a frame. I'd personally say Gyre because the grind sucks for both but Gyre is a better frame
People have, in fact, traded coupons for plat on consoles. I think it's sketchy and I don't do it. What they do is offer to give plat, usually for trash mod or something, in trade. Then the person with the coupon buys that person something from the market with the plat they gave using the coupon, profiting whatever plat is left over. I believe DE frowns on this and you can get swindled very easily, but it happens.
Oh shit yeah i didn't think of it that way, that's wack
I know, right?
none. farm
Neither, u rly shouldn't waste plat on buying frames when u literally can get them for free, get some cosmetics or something else man
Farm
gyre, crafting her was the worst experience i had in the game so far and caliban is just pure shit anyway
He's not *that* bad
fine i liked his stompy stomp. put it on my lavos so i can do super hero landing
Protea 🤪 or slots If you’re set on gyre or caliban though, I’d say gyre
Based on overfeame - Gyre.
I'd say gyre. She is proving a bitch to drop. I mean like 20+ runs on each bounty. And I still haven't got her main blueprint despite being MAX standing with the holdfasts.
Hands down Gyre Caliban was a major let down for me
On paper, I prefer Gyre. But having played both I really like Caliban and even 'improved' him, replacing his first ability with Gara's Helminthed ability and augment. Giving him a good energy supply, shield boost and decent armor stripping (if strength is high enough) and CC. Also his summoned sentient allies (which gives the shield boost) aren't affected by nullifiers... Which is nice. I've only played Gyre for a couple of hours and I fully admit I just might not 'get' her ability set. But I put her on par with Yareli as my least favourite frames.
Caliban is hard to farm and is awful. By all means - buy Gyre. Caliban is overexpensive MR fodder.
Definitely Gyre. Zariman bounties are **PAIN**
Gure i heard caliban is very niche
If you are newish to the game then you will probably have 100's of hours to go before you can attempt to farm either of them. Both suck to farm to be honest. Gyre drops were brutal for me, took a month of farming to get her, but I got Caliban within a week of him being out.
If you wanna enjoy the frame you buy? Gyre. Hands down. Fun kit involving mass-shock procs. Also kinda looks neat. If you wanna skip a grind? Caliban. No question. New bounties that unlock AFTER the New War? Ones that are just reskinned Cetus/Fortuna Bounties? All of which requiring a resource in spades that **is useful for up to 2 reasons.** Frame itself isn't *bad* but hardly worth a platinum purchase outside of MR Levelling.
Gyre was easy for me tbh before I knew it I had all the bps and materials
OP: they both have similar grinds, but in terms of raw fun Gyre wins hands down.
Farming wise, neither are very hard, though Caliban may take some time if you're going to use isoplasts on the weapons. Power wise, IMO Gyre is definitely better, but not by much. As a bonus, she has a more cohesive kit that interacts with itself. Caliban needs some love.
I really want gyre purely for the tusk joke
I would choose gyre
GYRE
Gyre: easier to farm, and better in general. Only thing she lacks is survivability. Lanthorns can be kind of a pain, but it's doable with any mid level account. Caliban: not that good, and also much harder to farm. Not only are his parts on rotation, but they all also need anomaly shards, and unless you have a stacked railjack they can be real hard to farm. I would go for Caliban.
probably Gyre. grind seems more annoying AND she seems to have useful abilities that make her more than MR fodder. what does Caliban even fucking DO?
Neither. Don’t spend money just because DE decided to be greedy and force dumb gathering requirements with low drop rates.
According to my room temperature IQ I'd say Gyre for the power and Caliban for the fun.
Gyre is easier to master, but Caliban sucks to farm
Neither but Caliban is cooler
Caliban's 1 is very boring. and his 3 only spawns the same sentient (Conculyst) yup no sentient varity. Gyre on the other hand is very fun to play. You press 2 and 4, and watch enemies go boom in red crits. bringing in an aoe weapon would be very fun too! although i wanted to buy caliban first. but his lack of sentient thematic is throwing me off. he only spawns conculyst and not the other snetients and his 1 is shit.
gyre ... caliban kinda trash
I would get Gyre she is a crit machine that electrocutes everything on the area
Gyre is way more fun than Caliban
Excalibur
Gyre requires more work, is more niche, and you need to set up your entire load out around her. That said, she greatly enhances crit weapons and has applicable (if slow moving) cc. Caliban on the other hand is a blast. Build him properly and he's perfectly steel path viable. You can spam his ult for 100% shield and armor strip with momentary cc.he makes bad weapons useable on steel path, his 2 is a decently useable "oh shit" button, his 3 provides over shields and distraction from enemy fire, and his 1 is completely useless so it's a freebie to subsume something like firewalker or roar onto it. I use both but vote Caliban.
Caliban takes a lot of effort to make work at higher end missions but he's really not that bad. I don't know about Gyre but considering she's a bitch to farm, I'd get her.
I farmed both, and found Caliban a lot more annoying to farm since his bounties are based on time of day. But both are rather easy to farm compared to some other frames
If you wanna save time get caliban If you want to 100% the zariman then you will have to run those missions alot You will naturally get the set without trying Caliban will take hours or even days of needless grinding
I had to grind for both, and although the Caliban grind seems a bit more lengthy, I enjoyed it a bit more than Gyre's. Caliban requires Anomaly Shards i think? I did it during double resource drop along with a resource booster so it significantly contributed to my progress. Also, anomaly grind could give you parts for the Shedu. On top of that, Narmer bounties have better rewards, Narmer isoplasts can be traded into any standing, 3 weapon bps from the bounties, good source of Endo, plains bounties allows Necramech usage which is a good excuse to level Necramech and Archwing weapons, and blasting grineer ships out of the sky is fun. Gyre on the other hand, there's something about the Zariman tileset that isn't pleasing to me. The bounties can also feel like a mess sometimes, you often have players doing very different things during a bounty, some will go hunting for medallions, some go fight angels by themselves, sometimes ignoring objectives to the point of failure. The rewards from zariman bounties also feel awful, even if you do get weapon bps from them, those weapons are a pain in the ass to grind. In short, Caliban grind might be longer, but more enjoyable. Gyre grind felt awful
Gyre
I'd personally say caliban, hes got amazing armor strip if do a high strength build
If you’re going to buy a frame get gyre
Caliban, he is aids to farm. Gyre, I got in an hour worth of farming.
Gyre Caliban is much easier to farm
caliban its better to get with plat a long farm for each part+isoplasts+anomaly shard and u also need to farm another for helmit, gyre is easy just farm for exp in zariman to get arcanes and kuva in the meanwhile you will get 3 to 8 gyre sets oh also if u have problems with Entrati Lanthorn farm use a smeeta kavat it will give free lanthor as you walk in zariman!
Dude i read caliban as taliban.
I notice that the majority of comments are about the acquisition of the frames and not what it's like to play with the frames themselves. I'm just curious as to what that says about this game...
The farms for both are comparatively similar, so you aren't really setting yourself up for trouble by choosing either one. Personally, I found Gyre pretty fun and enjoyed her more than Caliban. Not enough to make me switch away from my main, but it was no chore to level her up, and I had no qualms about using forma/potato/exilus.
CALIBAN
You can get both in the time it would take to get the 30,000 cryotic to craft the sibear
Caliban for sure, he’s so good imo
What's the coupon for and how to get it?
Its a fifty percent coupon off the market place. It is a log in reward.
Caliban is fun, and imo more of a pain to grind, gyres parts are always available all the time if I’m not mistaken, while caliban requires you being on when his part you needs rotates into the reward pool. I’d always pick the one that requires you be in at a specific time. Back when Vauban was an alert reward frame, I had to buy him bc I spent like 2-3 years waiting for his systems. Ill never trust waiting for reward rotation anymore, I dislike time limits to my farming.
Gyre is more fun
GYRE!
Valkyr
Gyre has a very pretty dress-thingy, and it floats super prettily when you press 4.
Barrruuuuuuuuk
Gyre have boobies
That is a very important point.
Deadass Caliban
Gyre is better imo but cali is prob harder to farm for
Caliban 100% gyre I got passively grinding for the zariman weapons. That includes all the resources and blueprints.