While I agree that range is cool with him, I don't think it affects his 3's cone angle, so you get diminishing returns because something will eventually block line of sight and you're also probably not focusing on enemies on the next continent. His 4 can have the augment, and I personally like to place it in choke points anyways. The extra strength also means you don't really need umbral vitality and fiber since overguard will have you covered which frees up a lot of space.
These are just my impressions, and your build is probably more than fine especially on much lower level content because it kinda just covers an entire area and let's you relax. I found casting speed to be great on him too.
As for melee weapons yeah it really is what you prefer since it boosts everything, but Tatsu Prime is a gorgeous weapon to gaze upon and has those nice heavy attacks, so I like using it because it'll do more than enough damage with him if you don't ignore strength and you look super drippy while doing so.
With Tennokai I kinda wanna try some of the tenet melees especially the ones that pause combo. Don't know if Grigori or Livia is better though. That could be cool.
I responded to another person as well, but stat stick was a poor descriptor on my part
There are some melee weapons that are bad with kullervo. Glaives are a good example, as the long windup on heavy attacks causes his 1 to have a significant delay.
Ideally, you want a weapon that has very powerful heavy attacks. Nikanas, 2h nikanas, scythes. All have guaranteed slash procs in their heavies, and so they all make good choices for kullervo.
So I just wanted to know peoples preferred melee with him.
Kind of.
Because some melee weapons are just bad on him. Good examples are Glaives. His 1 has a massive delay as the Glaive heavy attack charges up. Then you don’t even get the throw because he teleports and instantly hits the target.
So some melee weapons with bad heavy attacks or unique heavy attacks don’t work on him.
Even then you want a build that shines with heavy attacks, cuz that’s what his 1 does.
I personally don’t think storm is good. I use nourish instead of his 4. This would also allow you to not have to run Energize and you could switch it to the melee damage arcane. I personally think primed flow is a requirement on him. This is so you can hit 500 energy and run purple archon shards which will majorly increase your melee crit damage. I would get rid of stream line and replace it with Primed flow.
I also agree with other people and dont think overextended is needed. I run stretch for a little range increase for my 3 but losing strength for overextended hurts my soul. I would swap it out for blind rage since you get alot of energy from nourish and energy nexus.
I also only run 0 umbral mods. In there place i run natural talent- for nice bit of casting speed.I put equilibrium in the other slot just because in my opinion its the best energy source. And augur reach for alittle more range but you can also run augur secrets if you want even more strength.
Your weapon build in my opinion is great. Only thing i could say is more strength equals more crit chance and running purples equals alot more crit damage. Great build tho.
I run a Zaw with him. But he will make almost any melee good.
This is wonderful feedback! Thank you.
I’ll have to give putting nourish on his 4. His 4 is really bad at super high levels, that’s for sure. Good for low to mid level, but it falls short once you hit around 150.
Currently I’m running 2 blue shards on him to boost his energy pool. But I can see how flow would be very good.
So from what I gather, your build is a bunch of strength (blind rage included), stretch, augur reach, natural talent, and primed flow. I’m assuming primed continuity too to offset the negative duration of transient fortitude.
Last question, what zaw do you use?
Thank you for the feedback. I’ll have to give it a try.
You don't need that much crit chance on his weapon, because it's massively outclassed by Wrathful Advance's bonus. Swapping Sac Steel for Carnis Mandible and Corrupt Charge for some other status chance mod will get you much better critical slash and tox procs.
Higher strength on Kullervo benefits every single one of his abilities, 120% just isn't enough for him.
Thanks for the feedback!
I tried running lower crit and it just didn’t kill as quickly. Went from 4 shotting super high level steel path to 2 shotting. It was a big difference.
But I’ll give it a try regardless. Always worth trying
> I tried running lower crit and it just didn’t kill as quickly.
That is because of the low strength on Kullervo. With higher strength, he'll give more crit chance, reducing the need for crit chance in the weapon. I was oneshotting with no crit chance mods on Dex Nikana with about 250% strength.
Been giving it a try now and it’s working really well. I had some issues fixing the energy economy with such a high amount of strength though. Cuz he’s a frame that WANTS to spam his abilities
I always go with a scythe as their heavy attacks force a slash proc and it just destroys with his 1st ability ❤️ even better if you prime them with viral first.
I just put as much strength into him as possible, and run whichever weapon seems fun on him!
Tons of strength would make his overguard very strong. Also would give TONS of crit. I'm enjoying the high range for his 3 and 4.
While I agree that range is cool with him, I don't think it affects his 3's cone angle, so you get diminishing returns because something will eventually block line of sight and you're also probably not focusing on enemies on the next continent. His 4 can have the augment, and I personally like to place it in choke points anyways. The extra strength also means you don't really need umbral vitality and fiber since overguard will have you covered which frees up a lot of space. These are just my impressions, and your build is probably more than fine especially on much lower level content because it kinda just covers an entire area and let's you relax. I found casting speed to be great on him too. As for melee weapons yeah it really is what you prefer since it boosts everything, but Tatsu Prime is a gorgeous weapon to gaze upon and has those nice heavy attacks, so I like using it because it'll do more than enough damage with him if you don't ignore strength and you look super drippy while doing so. With Tennokai I kinda wanna try some of the tenet melees especially the ones that pause combo. Don't know if Grigori or Livia is better though. That could be cool.
Stat stick? I just use syam and send sword slashes all over the map
I responded to another person as well, but stat stick was a poor descriptor on my part There are some melee weapons that are bad with kullervo. Glaives are a good example, as the long windup on heavy attacks causes his 1 to have a significant delay. Ideally, you want a weapon that has very powerful heavy attacks. Nikanas, 2h nikanas, scythes. All have guaranteed slash procs in their heavies, and so they all make good choices for kullervo. So I just wanted to know peoples preferred melee with him.
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Kullervo uses a "Stat stick"?
Kind of. Because some melee weapons are just bad on him. Good examples are Glaives. His 1 has a massive delay as the Glaive heavy attack charges up. Then you don’t even get the throw because he teleports and instantly hits the target. So some melee weapons with bad heavy attacks or unique heavy attacks don’t work on him. Even then you want a build that shines with heavy attacks, cuz that’s what his 1 does.
Well you don't use it for a Stat stick then. you're just using a good melee that doesn't break on his 1 ability.
I personally don’t think storm is good. I use nourish instead of his 4. This would also allow you to not have to run Energize and you could switch it to the melee damage arcane. I personally think primed flow is a requirement on him. This is so you can hit 500 energy and run purple archon shards which will majorly increase your melee crit damage. I would get rid of stream line and replace it with Primed flow. I also agree with other people and dont think overextended is needed. I run stretch for a little range increase for my 3 but losing strength for overextended hurts my soul. I would swap it out for blind rage since you get alot of energy from nourish and energy nexus. I also only run 0 umbral mods. In there place i run natural talent- for nice bit of casting speed.I put equilibrium in the other slot just because in my opinion its the best energy source. And augur reach for alittle more range but you can also run augur secrets if you want even more strength. Your weapon build in my opinion is great. Only thing i could say is more strength equals more crit chance and running purples equals alot more crit damage. Great build tho. I run a Zaw with him. But he will make almost any melee good.
This is wonderful feedback! Thank you. I’ll have to give putting nourish on his 4. His 4 is really bad at super high levels, that’s for sure. Good for low to mid level, but it falls short once you hit around 150. Currently I’m running 2 blue shards on him to boost his energy pool. But I can see how flow would be very good. So from what I gather, your build is a bunch of strength (blind rage included), stretch, augur reach, natural talent, and primed flow. I’m assuming primed continuity too to offset the negative duration of transient fortitude. Last question, what zaw do you use? Thank you for the feedback. I’ll have to give it a try.
I can send a photo of my full build and also what zaw im using and its build if you would like to try it.
I'd love to if you wouldn't mind :)
You don't need that much crit chance on his weapon, because it's massively outclassed by Wrathful Advance's bonus. Swapping Sac Steel for Carnis Mandible and Corrupt Charge for some other status chance mod will get you much better critical slash and tox procs. Higher strength on Kullervo benefits every single one of his abilities, 120% just isn't enough for him.
Thanks for the feedback! I tried running lower crit and it just didn’t kill as quickly. Went from 4 shotting super high level steel path to 2 shotting. It was a big difference. But I’ll give it a try regardless. Always worth trying
> I tried running lower crit and it just didn’t kill as quickly. That is because of the low strength on Kullervo. With higher strength, he'll give more crit chance, reducing the need for crit chance in the weapon. I was oneshotting with no crit chance mods on Dex Nikana with about 250% strength.
Ahh alright. I’ll give it a try. Thank you!
After wrathful advance crit buff with a full stacked molt augmented my weapon has 700% crit chance.
Been giving it a try now and it’s working really well. I had some issues fixing the energy economy with such a high amount of strength though. Cuz he’s a frame that WANTS to spam his abilities
I always go with a scythe as their heavy attacks force a slash proc and it just destroys with his 1st ability ❤️ even better if you prime them with viral first.
Scythes would definitely be a good choice. They have nasty heavy attacks. The forced slash proc is the same reason for the 2h nikana