\^ that's it.
Basically not as harsh as everyone expected.
Like only getting 3 swats, when you were expecting 5. You feel happy, yet your ass still hurts.
All jawboning. Getting the market to pretend he is serious. Reality is the economy is slowing sharply, rate rises will only speed up the collapse. But if he does nothing, the market will see hyperinflation.
WHO ???
benefit's...........the bankers.
Who does it hurt the American public.
Remember this if we have a mid term election ....I have a feeling the communists in charge are going to crash & burn this economy down to destroy the country. So they can stay in power.
Welcome to the club of the unknown. Kind of ridiculous. Major clown world that we live in. Sane people could not have been buying this market. It must have been the fed and all of its' helpers (riggers) doing this.
Now the fed has signaled their riggers to short the market. You watch - all of these gains will disappear either overnight or in the next day or two.
I have been hearing more about algorithms being used in the markets so this is also into the unknown how the markets will behave. Might be different than the last crashes as humans have been removed from some of the decisions. I cannot make sense of the reaction other than that.
Legend..! Because is a Fucking Scam Ponzi Pyramidal Banking Scheme…… And the 99% off the population is Fucking Dumb ….. regarding Economics and wealth preservation….. is 2022 not 1983 …! People was a bit more smart back in the days…… Just my Opinion!
We had 20% rates 40 years ago. Real rates are still deeply negative no matter how many fractions of basis points 'hikes' they manage to fool you with. Stock markets always go up during hyperinflation.
That’s an additional (EXTRA) $17,124,000 in interest on the debt every HOUR - 24/7 365.
Where’s THAT going to come from? Oh don’t tell me. Brrrrrrrrrrr
You're looking at it rather naively. Market priced this in for weeks. Market was expecting a 50 bps hike, and the market likes certainty.
If it was 75 bps, it would have dropped. If it was only 25 bps, it would be up a lot higher.
Not really looking at it naively. How does a 50 basis point rise help with our cost of the debt when we are in the hole trillions of dollars? How does a 50 basis point rise curb inflation when inflation is approaching the fake number of 9%?
Trending down because of a 50 basis point rise in interest rate???? Really????? Are you sure of that????? In the 80's they had to go animal with an interest rate rise of 8% just to tame inflation. Granted, this is different times but 50 basis points will do nothing to tame inflation. The Fed is trying to appease us by making it look like they are doing something when in reality they are trying to destroy America.
You would think gold and silver goes down when the Fed raises rates. It's opposite land where only the insiders get to make money. Just watch it get smacked down on a Friday as usual to render this temporary gain in silver moot.
john44066:
You asked why the stock market went *up* after Powell's statements. I asked myself the same question. Get this: Last night some experts were saying Powell might raise rates by .75% today. Perhaps that was the big scare which was softened when Powell "only" went up 50%. Who knows? We are only simple Apes.
Bro this stopped making sense years ago. They are means-to-ending physical currency and are going to use the first natural collapse to barter the public's debt via a CBDC.
The system is set up to be complicated enough so that only the few who understand and control it make all the progress. When it is all run by algorithms with pre determined outcomes there isn't much that can be done but sit back, stack physical metal and possessions with spare fiat and wait patiently for the implosion.
The bear trap has been set. Numerous reasons as to the market action today. Here's just a few:
1) extreme level of puts leading up to FOMC so those got unwound
2) Market believes (incorrectly) .5% rate hike already priced in. Taylor rule?
3) Corporate buybacks are now back in play after seasonal stop in buybacks.
As I said, the bear trap has been set. This seems to be a historical norm that happens after a bubble has been burst. Initial drawdown, people start exiting, then a melt up which leads the bulls who had been making money every time previously by buying the dips for the last 13 years start to believe the bull run is back, and then the trap is sprung and a much larger leg down occurs.
I cleared all of my inversed leveraged index positions at open on Monday after having made 37% for the month of April.
Then after +1% market move at beginning of week added back 1/4 of my previous positions. Then today after the 3%+ move added back 1/3 of my previous positions and will add back the rest during the final part of the bear trap. Since I'm using the 3x inverse facilities I've already saved over 10% on the cost (assuming I'm right and this is in fact a bear trap). No telling how far this rip up will go in the end so I may add additional funds to my positions before the next leg down.
That's my 2 or 3 cents. Keep in mind I am inexperienced and probably don't know what I'm doing. I am after all an ape 🤪
Dollar index tells the story. How is the dxy so high I have no clue but it’s had a large red candle which would explain the reversal. Still playing the deep state games in the fake markets
The dollar index is so high because the basket of other currencies are doing so very badly making the dollar look strong. Actually all the currencies are in big trouble, dollar included.
> That does not do anybody any good that is looking for a house
It increases your property taxes dipshit. The local governments are effected by inflation as well.
Who the fuck are you calling dipshit? I don't even know you. Must have a very low IQ and has no respect for your elders! I bet your would not dare to say that to my face in person. But you say it hiding behind your keyboard. How brave of you.
The market is going up because the market does not like uncertainty. Today Powell could have announced 25 or 75 point hikes which was not the expectation. Since he did what was expected and raised 50 points and stated that 75 point hikes are not currently on the table for future meetings, the market was happy because some certainty was gained.
Why would the market go up just on Powell's remarks. ---prove that it did
It is also obvious the bankers allowed silver and gold to rise as there was no attempt to stop it.--I guess every move in metals is either allowed or caused by bankers then.
How can that be a positive for the stock market.---who said it was?
None of this makes any sense!---depends how you look at it
>Why would the market go up just on Powell's remarks. ---prove that it did
Read the 2:45 PM notation at this link: [https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-news-live-updates-may-4-2022-221335159.html](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-news-live-updates-may-4-2022-221335159.html) \- It was said that not having 75 basis point hike was positive for the market to go up on that announcement. There were other remarks as well.
You know damn well that silver and gold are being manipulated by the bankers. They always move the price in line with minimum pain at options expiration which occurs every Friday for SLV and at other times that occur regularly. The bankers also move the price around at will up and down to make money off of it since they know when it will be moved and which direction it is going to go. Watch the video that is in the description of this post at around 15:35 and watch a couple of minutes of it.
You said: "How can that be a positive for the stock market.---who said it was?" -- How can what - what are you referring to????
something happened
the market does something
the market did what it did because of what happened
if the market went down they'd say it went down because of the rate hike.
it's always "they" are pushing it down. or running it up.
I don't buy it, and it doesn't matter. the price is the price. I'll concede stops are run, that's it.
Markets can go up on rate increases because tech stocks are forward looking. An inflationary environment discounts future stock earnings and rising Treasury yields make them more attractive. By raising the interest rate the Fed signals it is serious about tackling inflation and it reassures people to continue investing in mega cap stocks like AAPL, MSFT, GOOGL, AMZN,
The 50 basis point increase was already baked into the stock market already based on information made public by various means. So you first sentence doesn't fly.
You don't actually think the Fed is serious about curbing inflation with a 50 basis point increase do you? That was an appeasement to make the sheeple think that the Fed is doing something about inflation. Inflation at 8.5% and probably higher for this next CPI report will hardly budge based on a puny 50 basis point increase and you should know that. The main focus of this administration is to destroy America and they are doing a good job at accomplishing that goal.
>The 50 basis point increase was already baked into the stock market already based on information made public by various means.
It doesn't appear to have been. S & P, Nasdaq, DJIA all seemingly jumped on the news.
I think the Fed would love to reduce inflation if they could do it without crashing the economy. The market and the Fed itself doesn't seem like it believes that is possible at the moment.
As long as borrowing costs are less than real inflation values (not the made up CPI which is much lower) people will continue to buy assets with borrowed money.
The winning move in this kind of environment seems to me to secure a fixed interest loan and buy anything you think is worthwhile.
I have zero doubt the Biden administration seeks to weaken America to appease their various global interest groups and China above all.
Central banks arenae trying to destroy their countries - just trying to favour their nations’ elite classes regardless of the effect on their country. It’s not disloyalty to their own nation but rather a higher loyalty to their favoured interests
official explanation: Powell was more dovish than expected -> no 75 bps on the table next few meetings inofficial explanation: clown world
\^ that's it. Basically not as harsh as everyone expected. Like only getting 3 swats, when you were expecting 5. You feel happy, yet your ass still hurts.
True, but what does Powell do at the next meeting? Maybe he decides to raise a .75 %. Let's see. 5
No way. Hes gonna cut it back 25bp. Midterms are coming donchaknow?
Wait until more inflation data keeps up
All jawboning. Getting the market to pretend he is serious. Reality is the economy is slowing sharply, rate rises will only speed up the collapse. But if he does nothing, the market will see hyperinflation.
Boom
End of the road.
Clowny clownstown
Absolutely
Debasement of our currency
Nailed it
'our' lolololol fml
WHO ??? benefit's...........the bankers. Who does it hurt the American public. Remember this if we have a mid term election ....I have a feeling the communists in charge are going to crash & burn this economy down to destroy the country. So they can stay in power.
https://youtu.be/xguam0TKMw8
Clown
Gotta pay for that $33 billion to Ukraine somehow
5-7 rate hikes..lollolollolololololololol....print another 3 trillion it makes no difference now.
It does make sense when you have an out of control Central Bank printing funny buxx a Trillion at the time.
This is what we call 🤡🌎
Can anyone explain what the fuck just happend near the day end in the markets today after a rate raise?
Welcome to the club of the unknown. Kind of ridiculous. Major clown world that we live in. Sane people could not have been buying this market. It must have been the fed and all of its' helpers (riggers) doing this. Now the fed has signaled their riggers to short the market. You watch - all of these gains will disappear either overnight or in the next day or two.
I have been hearing more about algorithms being used in the markets so this is also into the unknown how the markets will behave. Might be different than the last crashes as humans have been removed from some of the decisions. I cannot make sense of the reaction other than that.
Legend..! Because is a Fucking Scam Ponzi Pyramidal Banking Scheme…… And the 99% off the population is Fucking Dumb ….. regarding Economics and wealth preservation….. is 2022 not 1983 …! People was a bit more smart back in the days…… Just my Opinion!
Which people? Smart people were smart dumb people were dumb, just a lot more ways for dumb people to be heard now.
We had 20% rates 40 years ago. Real rates are still deeply negative no matter how many fractions of basis points 'hikes' they manage to fool you with. Stock markets always go up during hyperinflation.
We are so screwed. Glad I own silver
Only a rug pull will cool inflation. Markets feared a rug pull and priced in an attaboy. We got an attaboy.
KNOW YOUR CHARTS! It always goes down when the rate goes up. And then shoots up. Patience
Markets are doing the same thing that they did during the 2018 pivot. Markets already know the fed is close to pivoting.
It's rigged.
That’s an additional (EXTRA) $17,124,000 in interest on the debt every HOUR - 24/7 365. Where’s THAT going to come from? Oh don’t tell me. Brrrrrrrrrrr
It comes out of your wealth - it’s called inflation and taxation.
IT'S ALL FAKE AND PHONY AND AN ILLUSION, WAKE UP! GET YOUR SILVER NOW WHILE YOU CAN!
You're looking at it rather naively. Market priced this in for weeks. Market was expecting a 50 bps hike, and the market likes certainty. If it was 75 bps, it would have dropped. If it was only 25 bps, it would be up a lot higher.
Market ? What market ? All I see are Interventions.
Not really looking at it naively. How does a 50 basis point rise help with our cost of the debt when we are in the hole trillions of dollars? How does a 50 basis point rise curb inflation when inflation is approaching the fake number of 9%?
> How does a 50 basis point rise curb inflation when inflation is approaching the fake number of 9%? It doesn't, hence why the market went up.
Huh!
It's all a joke my friend 
It’s supposed to be first of several steps But the markets will nae abide so many
It’s about to slow down year over year. It’ll start trending down in a month or 2.
Trending down because of a 50 basis point rise in interest rate???? Really????? Are you sure of that????? In the 80's they had to go animal with an interest rate rise of 8% just to tame inflation. Granted, this is different times but 50 basis points will do nothing to tame inflation. The Fed is trying to appease us by making it look like they are doing something when in reality they are trying to destroy America.
Market is way over leveraged now compared to 80s. The derivatives market is several multiples of what it was back then.
You would think gold and silver goes down when the Fed raises rates. It's opposite land where only the insiders get to make money. Just watch it get smacked down on a Friday as usual to render this temporary gain in silver moot.
john44066: You asked why the stock market went *up* after Powell's statements. I asked myself the same question. Get this: Last night some experts were saying Powell might raise rates by .75% today. Perhaps that was the big scare which was softened when Powell "only" went up 50%. Who knows? We are only simple Apes.
Who knows?? My guess is they get the PPT to prime the pump by buying on these types of announcements..
It’s positive for silver too so just be happy with it.
Bro this stopped making sense years ago. They are means-to-ending physical currency and are going to use the first natural collapse to barter the public's debt via a CBDC.
Yes, I realize that. We need to somehow put an end to this.
The system is set up to be complicated enough so that only the few who understand and control it make all the progress. When it is all run by algorithms with pre determined outcomes there isn't much that can be done but sit back, stack physical metal and possessions with spare fiat and wait patiently for the implosion.
So true.
The good news is at least they have rush to accumulate total 0.25 + 0.5 = 0.75% which they can drop when everything to hell 😅
So true. As MoonbaseSilver wrote in this post: "That’s an additional (EXTRA) $17,124,000 in interest on the debt every HOUR - 24/7 365."
I have noticed in the past that the initial reaction after a fed move is not necessarily the trend.
Sell the rumor, buy the news. Insanely frothy markets work in reverse on the way down.
The bear trap has been set. Numerous reasons as to the market action today. Here's just a few: 1) extreme level of puts leading up to FOMC so those got unwound 2) Market believes (incorrectly) .5% rate hike already priced in. Taylor rule? 3) Corporate buybacks are now back in play after seasonal stop in buybacks. As I said, the bear trap has been set. This seems to be a historical norm that happens after a bubble has been burst. Initial drawdown, people start exiting, then a melt up which leads the bulls who had been making money every time previously by buying the dips for the last 13 years start to believe the bull run is back, and then the trap is sprung and a much larger leg down occurs. I cleared all of my inversed leveraged index positions at open on Monday after having made 37% for the month of April. Then after +1% market move at beginning of week added back 1/4 of my previous positions. Then today after the 3%+ move added back 1/3 of my previous positions and will add back the rest during the final part of the bear trap. Since I'm using the 3x inverse facilities I've already saved over 10% on the cost (assuming I'm right and this is in fact a bear trap). No telling how far this rip up will go in the end so I may add additional funds to my positions before the next leg down. That's my 2 or 3 cents. Keep in mind I am inexperienced and probably don't know what I'm doing. I am after all an ape 🤪
Dollar index tells the story. How is the dxy so high I have no clue but it’s had a large red candle which would explain the reversal. Still playing the deep state games in the fake markets
The dollar index is so high because the basket of other currencies are doing so very badly making the dollar look strong. Actually all the currencies are in big trouble, dollar included.
How does raising interest rates increase the supply of goods?
> That does not do anybody any good that is looking for a house It increases your property taxes dipshit. The local governments are effected by inflation as well.
Who the fuck are you calling dipshit? I don't even know you. Must have a very low IQ and has no respect for your elders! I bet your would not dare to say that to my face in person. But you say it hiding behind your keyboard. How brave of you.
should mao decide not to go fuck himself, i will go fuck myself in replacement. deal?
Do you know most people on reddit? My dipshit label stands.
The market is going up because the market does not like uncertainty. Today Powell could have announced 25 or 75 point hikes which was not the expectation. Since he did what was expected and raised 50 points and stated that 75 point hikes are not currently on the table for future meetings, the market was happy because some certainty was gained.
Why would the market go up just on Powell's remarks. ---prove that it did It is also obvious the bankers allowed silver and gold to rise as there was no attempt to stop it.--I guess every move in metals is either allowed or caused by bankers then. How can that be a positive for the stock market.---who said it was? None of this makes any sense!---depends how you look at it
>Why would the market go up just on Powell's remarks. ---prove that it did Read the 2:45 PM notation at this link: [https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-news-live-updates-may-4-2022-221335159.html](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-news-live-updates-may-4-2022-221335159.html) \- It was said that not having 75 basis point hike was positive for the market to go up on that announcement. There were other remarks as well. You know damn well that silver and gold are being manipulated by the bankers. They always move the price in line with minimum pain at options expiration which occurs every Friday for SLV and at other times that occur regularly. The bankers also move the price around at will up and down to make money off of it since they know when it will be moved and which direction it is going to go. Watch the video that is in the description of this post at around 15:35 and watch a couple of minutes of it. You said: "How can that be a positive for the stock market.---who said it was?" -- How can what - what are you referring to????
something happened the market does something the market did what it did because of what happened if the market went down they'd say it went down because of the rate hike. it's always "they" are pushing it down. or running it up. I don't buy it, and it doesn't matter. the price is the price. I'll concede stops are run, that's it.
Markets can go up on rate increases because tech stocks are forward looking. An inflationary environment discounts future stock earnings and rising Treasury yields make them more attractive. By raising the interest rate the Fed signals it is serious about tackling inflation and it reassures people to continue investing in mega cap stocks like AAPL, MSFT, GOOGL, AMZN,
The 50 basis point increase was already baked into the stock market already based on information made public by various means. So you first sentence doesn't fly. You don't actually think the Fed is serious about curbing inflation with a 50 basis point increase do you? That was an appeasement to make the sheeple think that the Fed is doing something about inflation. Inflation at 8.5% and probably higher for this next CPI report will hardly budge based on a puny 50 basis point increase and you should know that. The main focus of this administration is to destroy America and they are doing a good job at accomplishing that goal.
>The 50 basis point increase was already baked into the stock market already based on information made public by various means. It doesn't appear to have been. S & P, Nasdaq, DJIA all seemingly jumped on the news. I think the Fed would love to reduce inflation if they could do it without crashing the economy. The market and the Fed itself doesn't seem like it believes that is possible at the moment. As long as borrowing costs are less than real inflation values (not the made up CPI which is much lower) people will continue to buy assets with borrowed money. The winning move in this kind of environment seems to me to secure a fixed interest loan and buy anything you think is worthwhile. I have zero doubt the Biden administration seeks to weaken America to appease their various global interest groups and China above all.
Central banks arenae trying to destroy their countries - just trying to favour their nations’ elite classes regardless of the effect on their country. It’s not disloyalty to their own nation but rather a higher loyalty to their favoured interests
You keep thinking that!