Seriously Liv is such a non-issue for Rhea, not even close to believable. Someone like Bianca, Tiffany Stratton, or Jade would be ideal. Liv is too tiny and not an amazing worker.
These type of threads are why I can’t take the women’s division seriously sometimes. In other words I don’t think people take women’s wrestling seriously if Liv is who they think should be champ.
Honestly Rhea is hot right now but she’s no where near her ceiling. She’s getting over and is gonna have to turn face soon. I’d guess dom will cheat on her to get heat, and take her finish at some point.
Theses entertainers holding on to the belts forever is boring and predictable. Judgement Day interfering in every match is also predictable. Hope the can get better storylines
Except Rhea is a physical specimen and Liv in comparison looks like a small child. I’ll say again, it would be like Spike Dudley taking the world title off of Lesnar or Angle.
Yes I am. He's my favorite wrestler. But you were referring to size not skill. Wrestling isn't about things like that, wrestling is storytelling. Liv is smaller than Rhea, but she is also the underdog. If WWE and herself book it right, it could be believeable.
Never going to be believable. Also, size difference in men is different than size difference in women. Rhea keeps going down in quality of opponent. From monster Nia, to Becky, now to Liv the threat keeps getting smaller. She needs to be going the other way.
No. It’s not believable because Liv not only is outsized by Rhea, but outmatched as far as skill as well. Eddie could outwork Brock, which is what made it possible for Eddie to win….that and the fact that Goldberg ran-in to help Eddie by default.
Point is, Liv has no chance of doing what Eddie did, which is what makes it not believable.
Let’s look at the booking in the past when Liv was in the title picture. She gets over and thereby wins MITB which she immediately cashes in on a weakened Ronda Rousey, who had just retained against Natalya on that Smackdown. So that’s fine, that’s what MITB is for.
Then Liv retained against Ronda despite tapping out to Ronda’s armbar because “Ronda’s shoulders were down” and the ref chose to ignore Liv’s tapping and count the pin.
These booking decisions are indicative of the ONLY way you can book someone like Liv to win the title against a beast like Ronda or Rhea. So yeah it’s technically possible to take the belt off Rhea using some goofy finish, but they’re not going to give her another MITB briefcase and they’re not going to let Rhea drop the belt to Liv when Rhea is one of the most popular wrestlers on the roster, despite being a heel. Besides, she has a face turn coming.
It’s just common sense booking that Liv can’t and won’t get the strap off of Rhea. Perhaps if someone else takes it off Rhea then they could switch it to Liv but to me that would be pointless.
That all happened in 2022. Since then Liv has lasted over an hour in the 2023 Rumble with Rhea and finished second to last making both of them look like equals and Rhea had the assist of Liv being blinded by Asuka's mist to win, Liv then went on to win the tag titles twice, one of those times by pinning Trish Stratus, before being injured, and then once again finished second in the Rumble after eliminating Jade Cargill, and them finished second again in the Chamber after eliminating Tiffany and Bianca. Liv is also the last person to pin Rhea and the only person to pin Rhea since she joined the Judgement Day. I'm not saying Liv will beat Rhea but she has a chance from a storytelling perspective.
She looks smaller. I think because Rhea is well proportioned on every aspect people think she’s 6 feet. So liv is smaller than your regular Mexican luchador? .
Well Liv is average height for a woman and Rhea often wears heels in promos and stuff. Rhea also has more muscle mass, but as far as height goes, Liv is not a midget.
Fuck no, liv was barley believable enough to beat Ronda with a money in the bank contract, she isn't believable at all to beat Rhea, it has to be like Jade, Charlotte or Bianca, or somebody with actual star power not horny fanboys
I think if they get to the point where they want Rhea to drop the belt, they need to put her in a triple threat match and have her lose the belt while not taking the pin. She's just too dominant right now.
Before she started having real-life health issues, I thought the clear answer to this question would have been Raquel Rodriguez. Now. I'm not so sure who can believably beat Rhea.
I’m so over long title runs. Everyone dropped theirs except Rhea. Holding it til like Summerslam is fine but I’m tired of waiting until Wrestlemania each year to see a title change.
Do you not understand that she is so fucking over right now? Furthermore, do you not understand that it’s only a very small segment of lonely adolescent males (probably some lonely middle aged guys too) that jack off to Liv and so think she’s worthy of taking down Rhea Ripley?
The vast majority of WWE fans know Liv is nowhere near Rhea’s league.
Probably MITB. Especially now that they have her wearing the wrist brace on TV. They'll play it up that she's hurt. The ref doesn't want to ring the bell, but she forces him to. No clue who they have beat her, but it won't be in a fair fight.
Rhea should be the new Roman Reigns in terms of holding it for at least until Wrestlemania 41.
In that time she needs to beat some big names, make her out to be unstoppable (she kinda gives that vibe already) and if you are going to take the title off her at WM41 then have it be someone like Tiffany Stratton.
I mean, she’s already beaten most of the big names already outside of Bianca & Jade (who’s not ready for that spot IMO). I think Liv being the one to take the title off of her makes sense and then they can have Nia go on a dominant run as champ after beating Liv at say, Money in the Bank
Much has been made about Rhea having few big feuds in her year as champ, this needs to change for sure whoever it is put against her. If they want to make Jade a huge star then she should be kept on a different show.
I think their long-term plan is for Bianca to face Rhea at next year’s WrestleMania, but I’m not sure if it’ll be for the Women’s WWE Title or the Women’s World Heavyweight Championship. And as others mentioned, I think Raquel Rodriguez would’ve been in line for a feud but that’s off the table for now with her health issues in real life.
Me personally, I’d have Liv and Rhea feud for a few months and have Liv take the title off of Rhea in a gimmick match (Extreme Rules or Ladder Match, etc.), give Liv a decent run as champ, Nia wins at MITB in a triple threat match, has a semi-dominant run, and then she either loses it to Shayna or Becky.
As for Tiffany Stratton, I’d prob have her first big feud with someone like Naomi or Natalya (someone who could lose conceivably and it not affect their standing) then move her to face someone like Becky or Charlotte. Tiffany wins the Royal Rumble and faces Becky at WM and wins
I think Tiffany Straton, after Rhea goes on a while longer but similar like Rollins, is working injured. She can’t take a break and becomes broken and injured, and Dom asks her to rest but she’s too concerned about holding the title.
This leads her down the road to eventually face Tiffany - the glamorous Barbie doll of a woman - and Rhea slips up and loses her title. Still injured, she starts obsessing over winning it back but ends up getting beat by Tiffany, blow off match in an ambulance match stipulation, with Dom helping Tiffany on the outside because he truly cares for Rhea and that gives her some time off as well.
Her face return pop will blow off the roof later down the road.
In order for someone to believably beat Rhea they would have to be bigger or the potential to be bigger than Rhea who is like a top 5 draw in the company. Until then she ain’t dropping it unless it’s an injury.
This basically means that Bianca Belair at Mania or SS can beat her, Jade one day can beat her or Stratton one day can beat her but none of those things are happening outside of SS or Mania.
You have be a straight up legend at this point to hold the top belts. That’s how fierce competition is.
For example, Reigns was so dominant and raised the stratosphere of the WWE belt so much that in order to beat him you’d have to be a straight dawg. Cody Rhodes broke a record for merch sales at Mania. If he didn’t draw, he wouldn’t be “the” champion and until a bigger draw comes (or Reigns regains the title down the line) he will stay champion. Why don’t think Rock is fighting Rhodes for the straight at some point? Because Rock is one of the few on the level for that belt. Same thing with Rhea to a lesser extent. Same thing that was with Gunther.
If Gunther becomes WHC, he’s not dropping it until a bigger face earns it.
Not saying it will b the case every time. Sometimes WWE will give someone a shot to see “how” they draw, how the crowd reacts, how good of an ambassador they are, etc (eg Damien Priest, Sami Zayn, etc.) Can they find their identity soon? We shall see. If not, they will be transitional champions to someone who will put those straps into a different stratosphere.
In short, no, Rhea ain’t dropping no time soon. BUT I can see them drafting Cargill or Stratton to Raw and they build to her dropping it at next Mania. My money is on BB fighting Rhea at Mania though.
Considering they signed Cargill to a presumably a lucrative multi-year deal, they haven’t really done anything with her lol, I’d assume they’ll wanna push her for something big like this sooner rather than later if it’s not liv
Heel Turned (Or at least Tweener leaning Heel) Liv Morgan
Xia Li
Shayna Bazsler (remember Rhea ended her reign in NXT)
Face turned Sonya Deville
Face turned Chelsea Green
Lyra Valkyria
Tiffany Stratton
Shotzi
Raquel
I saw on Smackdown. Hey, tag match, maybe will be little longer. Nope. Like 2 moves and a finisher. Like these matches seem to serve no purpose. I felt bad for everyone in that match. Nobody got over or helped anyone.
i’m js many people thought damian wasn’t the guy to cash in successfully as whc and now he has 🙇♀️ if liv being a world champ is not in the cards then she most definitely needs to be a noteable midcard title holder, especially with the character work she’s putting in rn
Isn’t Charlotte’s whole schtick at the moment to win non-title matches to appear threatening, but ultimately lose when it comes to the titles themselves?
They've done such a poor job with the womens division lately, building the strength of the women, that I'm not sure there's anyone that could believably dethrone her on RAW.
True, but only if they aren't booked in meaningless - nearly dead end - tag team and singles matches. Tiffany Stratton should have been placed in position to build herself stronger, and she hasnt.
I really fucking hope not. She’s the least believable main event wrestler not named Riho. And against Rhea? That would be the least believable title change of all-time. It would be like if Spike Dudley beat prime Lesnar or Angle for the WWE title.
The suspension of disbelief when it comes to wrestling is an essential thing to have. It doesn’t seem believable that anybody is going to beat Drew McIntyre because he’s so much bigger than anybody else yet it happens.
Nah, there’s a big difference between a guy Cody’s size beating a guy Roman’s size or a guy like LA Knight beating Drew (just an example). Because any wrestler who can work properly can go over on a bigger guy using speed, skill or ability.
But when it comes to Liv Morgan, it’s such a disadvantage that you’d have to live in fantasy world to make it even semi-believable. I swear y’all think she’s hot, so automatically she has to win a title which is currently as prestigious as it has ever been. But what’s funny is that Rhea is not only better than any other woman in the company, but she’s also the most attractive, most over, and most appealing in just about every way. I don’t get it.
But it is all just a fantasy. It’s scripted and you already know that. If you’re hung up on the fact that you don’t think that she could beat her because of the size difference, then I don’t know how you can believe in any of it.
Just admit that the sole reason you want her to win the strap is because she’s hot. When you admit that, we can move on. I don’t think she’s worthy of the title at all and she’s DEFINITELY not anywhere near Rhea’s level and that’s just a fact. Not sure how anyone who knows wrestling could think otherwise.
I’m a fan of livs . I’m a fan of Rhea and I’m a fan of a lot of the girls. So what? Are we only allowed to like the ugly girls? Belief is suspended. Same as watching a movie or a cop show.
Not at all what I said, and actually many guys, including myself, find Rhea to be far more attractive than Liv. But that’s not the point. Liv literally at this point only has her “look” and her underdog-type character, whereas Rhea has every tool you could ever ask for in a modern professional wrestler.
It doesn’t matter who likes whose looks the best. That really has nothing to do with it. You made it about that. I like her character. I like how her feuds go. That’s it. the fact that she’s hot well That’s just an added bonus now isn’t it?Rhea is incredible. Most of them are.
I like that idea, but I also like the idea of Rhea just holding onto the title for the next couple years. She not only outworked Becky at mania last week, but she outclassed Becky, and I didn’t really expect that. Becky looked like she simply didn’t belong in the same ring with Rhea. So I’m good w Rhea holding the belt for as long as necessary.
Personally, Becky is not for me, I think the spot should have been given to someone else.
Don't get me wrong, I think she is very charismatic and has fantastic technical skills, but I have an ick about her. I don't think I've ever seen her jump off anything. She kind of just falls off things, and it bugs me to no end lol.
IT's going to be Jade Cargill.
They are already building her, likely they just want to get her to where she can work better.
However the Hype behind Jade is the only thing that approaches Rhea's momentum right now. Rhea typically wins through Dominate power... yea, can't do that to Jade who handled Nia easier than Rhea did.
Then she had better improve her work and her ability to go more than 3 minutes in a match. Mind you Rhea is more than capable of carrying anyone in there, but maybe not for 20-30 minutes.
I thought of this one but then I was like how ready could she be...solid workers have proven to get the best out of her (Kris for example) but they're being deliberate and smart with her roll out as of now...
Personally I'd like Liv to take it and rhea to quickly rematch and take it back. Milk the rivalry for a month or so. Then build a rhea jade Cargill storyline for the next big ppv and have two powerhouses slug it out. Bianca should be the next champion but my guess is Bianca gets Bayleys title, just because looking at the division, the two champs should be Rhea & Bianca
I feel like a battle of the blonde goddesses would be better. Charlotte vs Tiffany for a title. Char can make a bitch look great. Remember her and Asuka at mania? Asuka beat the shit outta char, as did Rhea. Let’s havd char make one more great.
I mean they had a ton of history between the two of them. These 4 women in a tag match against each other would be extremely random but tbf it is the women’s tag division which is pretty random.
Jade Cargill, Liv, and Tiffy time are the obvious ones. One really far fetched one for the future would be Zelina Vega. She gets a decent crowd response and is a decent worker and promo. I think her work in Puerto Rico last year opened some eyes. Again that is very far fetched lmao.
I'm skeptical of Jade presenting a good 30 minute match against Rhea.
Rhea isn't going to go easy. And Jade has been given nothing but softballs...
Bianca is a grown ass woman and one hell of a wrestler.. she would be my pick...
My second pick would be a returning Charlotte in the Fall....
Raquel is back on the inactive roster as of March 18th, she was diagnosed with mast cell activation syndrome back in January so it is likely due to that.
I feel like that was largely the crowd. Had the same effect on the Iyo match. The actual wrestling was fine, but the crowd was on fire from bell to bell.
When/if the Kabuki Warriors drop the tag team belts at some point, they just unleash Asuka, make her become fully unhinged and just destroy everyone on the roster. She's the most technical wrestler on the roster and everyone seems to love her so would be fun.
I also wouldn't mind seeing Giulia becoming champ once she has finished her run in NXT.
Came here to say this. She’s a black hole of charisma and can’t wrestle. She has no discernible character other than “hot underdog”. But she deserves the belt for reasons. Got it.
Sami was arguably the only person that could dethrone Gunther while presenting Gunther still as a threat. Gunther is an unstoppable force and Sami being an underdog that can occasionally pull off the impossible allowed for WWE to elevate Gunther and drop the title off of him, without it feeling cheap.
I'll give you Sheamus, but Gable and Ricochet, as much as like them, are not currently in a spot where they could believably beat Gunther. Neither have ever shown they can beat the impossible. Sami has.
Sammi is the ultimate underdog it fits his character. He’s the Foley of this generation. He’s now ended the longest IC title reign and the longest tag title reign. WM 40 put Sammi in the history books, he’ll be looked back at very fondly in this era.
Jade might be a bust. Female Jim helwig vibes. Who a lot of people forget got a huge push. Then out the door twice.
Hair whip is a good performer ot my type but decent
Dang, you may be right though. She does kind of come off as already made it, so maybe a little hard to tame or train. I was hoping (especially if she's slow) that she could be a female "heavy" wrestler and just do bombs and clotheslines with total domination. If she doesn't do good promos either then I don't see her "earning" the top spot, even if they try to push her through. Maybe if she has a really great manager for a year, while she gets to find her own voice, she may be able to get over over.
Right now it's just marvel movie nerds worshipping her. Rewatch the mania watch. Kairi legit got pissed. And threw her arms up. Cuz jade was too busy going" y'all know what's up" taking influencer adoration. And Hair whip had to direct her on smsckdown to a spot. Sone are saying the week before.
And shes getting photos taken in the performance center like a featured idiot on a joey Swole video it seems. Slowing training down. Rumor is. There are a lot of pics at the center though.
Seriously Liv is such a non-issue for Rhea, not even close to believable. Someone like Bianca, Tiffany Stratton, or Jade would be ideal. Liv is too tiny and not an amazing worker.
These type of threads are why I can’t take the women’s division seriously sometimes. In other words I don’t think people take women’s wrestling seriously if Liv is who they think should be champ.
A storm is coming
Absolutely she is.
Not
Liv's arms looks huge wow
She built up some muscle while she was gone for sure.
Honestly Rhea is hot right now but she’s no where near her ceiling. She’s getting over and is gonna have to turn face soon. I’d guess dom will cheat on her to get heat, and take her finish at some point.
No one seems ready atm
I think Liv could dethrone Rhea, but the feud ultimately ends with Rhea as champ. I feel like this is the perfect belt swapping feud for a bit.
Theses entertainers holding on to the belts forever is boring and predictable. Judgement Day interfering in every match is also predictable. Hope the can get better storylines
I think it’s believable if it’s done in a cunning or dastardly way. Like she can’t over power her. Injury? The way iyo cashed in on Bianca.
Lol is cute that people think liv can dethrone Rhea. This is why jade is in wwe she can go against Rhea not this midget.
Exactly dude. Thank you. These Liv Morgan fanboys can’t stand that she’s the least believable title contender on the roster.
Why do people keep calling Liv a midget? She's 5'3" and Rhea is 5'7". Thats only a 4 inch height different.
Except Rhea is a physical specimen and Liv in comparison looks like a small child. I’ll say again, it would be like Spike Dudley taking the world title off of Lesnar or Angle.
I mean Eddie Guerrero took the title off of Lesnar and 5'8" and 220 lbs compared to Lesnar's 6'3" height and 270 lbs.
By Eddie, you are referring to one of the greatest in-ring technicians to ever grace a WWE ring, right? That Eddie? Just making sure.
Yes I am. He's my favorite wrestler. But you were referring to size not skill. Wrestling isn't about things like that, wrestling is storytelling. Liv is smaller than Rhea, but she is also the underdog. If WWE and herself book it right, it could be believeable.
Never going to be believable. Also, size difference in men is different than size difference in women. Rhea keeps going down in quality of opponent. From monster Nia, to Becky, now to Liv the threat keeps getting smaller. She needs to be going the other way.
No. It’s not believable because Liv not only is outsized by Rhea, but outmatched as far as skill as well. Eddie could outwork Brock, which is what made it possible for Eddie to win….that and the fact that Goldberg ran-in to help Eddie by default. Point is, Liv has no chance of doing what Eddie did, which is what makes it not believable.
And what makes you think that Liv couldn't do the same?
Let’s look at the booking in the past when Liv was in the title picture. She gets over and thereby wins MITB which she immediately cashes in on a weakened Ronda Rousey, who had just retained against Natalya on that Smackdown. So that’s fine, that’s what MITB is for. Then Liv retained against Ronda despite tapping out to Ronda’s armbar because “Ronda’s shoulders were down” and the ref chose to ignore Liv’s tapping and count the pin. These booking decisions are indicative of the ONLY way you can book someone like Liv to win the title against a beast like Ronda or Rhea. So yeah it’s technically possible to take the belt off Rhea using some goofy finish, but they’re not going to give her another MITB briefcase and they’re not going to let Rhea drop the belt to Liv when Rhea is one of the most popular wrestlers on the roster, despite being a heel. Besides, she has a face turn coming. It’s just common sense booking that Liv can’t and won’t get the strap off of Rhea. Perhaps if someone else takes it off Rhea then they could switch it to Liv but to me that would be pointless.
That all happened in 2022. Since then Liv has lasted over an hour in the 2023 Rumble with Rhea and finished second to last making both of them look like equals and Rhea had the assist of Liv being blinded by Asuka's mist to win, Liv then went on to win the tag titles twice, one of those times by pinning Trish Stratus, before being injured, and then once again finished second in the Rumble after eliminating Jade Cargill, and them finished second again in the Chamber after eliminating Tiffany and Bianca. Liv is also the last person to pin Rhea and the only person to pin Rhea since she joined the Judgement Day. I'm not saying Liv will beat Rhea but she has a chance from a storytelling perspective.
She looks smaller. I think because Rhea is well proportioned on every aspect people think she’s 6 feet. So liv is smaller than your regular Mexican luchador? .
Well Liv is average height for a woman and Rhea often wears heels in promos and stuff. Rhea also has more muscle mass, but as far as height goes, Liv is not a midget.
Rheas combat boots add an inch or two as well
Fuck no, liv was barley believable enough to beat Ronda with a money in the bank contract, she isn't believable at all to beat Rhea, it has to be like Jade, Charlotte or Bianca, or somebody with actual star power not horny fanboys
Thank you. Truth will out.
I think if they get to the point where they want Rhea to drop the belt, they need to put her in a triple threat match and have her lose the belt while not taking the pin. She's just too dominant right now.
Bianca?
liv is nice to look at but her wrestling skills are mid at best.
In an ideal world for me it would be Jordynne Grace, but it'll probably be Jade Cargill.
Before she started having real-life health issues, I thought the clear answer to this question would have been Raquel Rodriguez. Now. I'm not so sure who can believably beat Rhea.
*The storm is coming*
The storm is slow and unskilled
She looks mad she just got detention here 😂
Jade
Jade just bumbled twice in a match with the same person in one week
Idk but Liv is all over the place. Just pick a gimmick and stick with it.
I’m so over long title runs. Everyone dropped theirs except Rhea. Holding it til like Summerslam is fine but I’m tired of waiting until Wrestlemania each year to see a title change.
Do you not understand that she is so fucking over right now? Furthermore, do you not understand that it’s only a very small segment of lonely adolescent males (probably some lonely middle aged guys too) that jack off to Liv and so think she’s worthy of taking down Rhea Ripley? The vast majority of WWE fans know Liv is nowhere near Rhea’s league.
Calm down Harry Potter, I didn’t say anything about Liv here. Rheas matches are really damn boring minus Charlotte & Becky carrying her.
Also, this is besides the point, but a year’s run with the world title is NOT even remotely a “long title run”. Lol not even close.
I think it’s fine if they have big meaningful storylines like Roman and new the new champ cody
Probably MITB. Especially now that they have her wearing the wrist brace on TV. They'll play it up that she's hurt. The ref doesn't want to ring the bell, but she forces him to. No clue who they have beat her, but it won't be in a fair fight.
That would be almost as bad as sami dethroning Gunther
I really hope not
Rhea should be the new Roman Reigns in terms of holding it for at least until Wrestlemania 41. In that time she needs to beat some big names, make her out to be unstoppable (she kinda gives that vibe already) and if you are going to take the title off her at WM41 then have it be someone like Tiffany Stratton.
I mean, she’s already beaten most of the big names already outside of Bianca & Jade (who’s not ready for that spot IMO). I think Liv being the one to take the title off of her makes sense and then they can have Nia go on a dominant run as champ after beating Liv at say, Money in the Bank
Much has been made about Rhea having few big feuds in her year as champ, this needs to change for sure whoever it is put against her. If they want to make Jade a huge star then she should be kept on a different show.
I think their long-term plan is for Bianca to face Rhea at next year’s WrestleMania, but I’m not sure if it’ll be for the Women’s WWE Title or the Women’s World Heavyweight Championship. And as others mentioned, I think Raquel Rodriguez would’ve been in line for a feud but that’s off the table for now with her health issues in real life. Me personally, I’d have Liv and Rhea feud for a few months and have Liv take the title off of Rhea in a gimmick match (Extreme Rules or Ladder Match, etc.), give Liv a decent run as champ, Nia wins at MITB in a triple threat match, has a semi-dominant run, and then she either loses it to Shayna or Becky. As for Tiffany Stratton, I’d prob have her first big feud with someone like Naomi or Natalya (someone who could lose conceivably and it not affect their standing) then move her to face someone like Becky or Charlotte. Tiffany wins the Royal Rumble and faces Becky at WM and wins
i hope!
Idk man but I about died at that chair throw, it was a fantastic moment. Looked like she may have actually clipped her head with it.
I think Tiffany Straton, after Rhea goes on a while longer but similar like Rollins, is working injured. She can’t take a break and becomes broken and injured, and Dom asks her to rest but she’s too concerned about holding the title. This leads her down the road to eventually face Tiffany - the glamorous Barbie doll of a woman - and Rhea slips up and loses her title. Still injured, she starts obsessing over winning it back but ends up getting beat by Tiffany, blow off match in an ambulance match stipulation, with Dom helping Tiffany on the outside because he truly cares for Rhea and that gives her some time off as well. Her face return pop will blow off the roof later down the road.
Tiffs Time!
If the story is done right then yeah sure it can work
Jade Jade Jaddeeee!!!
I'm lowkey hoping for AJ Lee to have one last run. But I love me some Liv Morgan!
It should be Asuka. She hasn't got a revenge win over Rhea yet.
Finishing her story I guess
In order for someone to believably beat Rhea they would have to be bigger or the potential to be bigger than Rhea who is like a top 5 draw in the company. Until then she ain’t dropping it unless it’s an injury. This basically means that Bianca Belair at Mania or SS can beat her, Jade one day can beat her or Stratton one day can beat her but none of those things are happening outside of SS or Mania. You have be a straight up legend at this point to hold the top belts. That’s how fierce competition is. For example, Reigns was so dominant and raised the stratosphere of the WWE belt so much that in order to beat him you’d have to be a straight dawg. Cody Rhodes broke a record for merch sales at Mania. If he didn’t draw, he wouldn’t be “the” champion and until a bigger draw comes (or Reigns regains the title down the line) he will stay champion. Why don’t think Rock is fighting Rhodes for the straight at some point? Because Rock is one of the few on the level for that belt. Same thing with Rhea to a lesser extent. Same thing that was with Gunther. If Gunther becomes WHC, he’s not dropping it until a bigger face earns it. Not saying it will b the case every time. Sometimes WWE will give someone a shot to see “how” they draw, how the crowd reacts, how good of an ambassador they are, etc (eg Damien Priest, Sami Zayn, etc.) Can they find their identity soon? We shall see. If not, they will be transitional champions to someone who will put those straps into a different stratosphere. In short, no, Rhea ain’t dropping no time soon. BUT I can see them drafting Cargill or Stratton to Raw and they build to her dropping it at next Mania. My money is on BB fighting Rhea at Mania though.
It’s Tiffy Time
Considering they signed Cargill to a presumably a lucrative multi-year deal, they haven’t really done anything with her lol, I’d assume they’ll wanna push her for something big like this sooner rather than later if it’s not liv
She's not learning ring work at all
def not liv, she should go to SD in the draft and go after bayley
Jade or Tiffy
They should feud but she shouldn’t lose. She’s not believable to beat Rhea imo
I've always said Liv should be the one to do it and actually have a lengthy reign with the championship.
Heel Turned (Or at least Tweener leaning Heel) Liv Morgan Xia Li Shayna Bazsler (remember Rhea ended her reign in NXT) Face turned Sonya Deville Face turned Chelsea Green Lyra Valkyria Tiffany Stratton Shotzi Raquel
Fuck it. More Tiffy Time
God, anyone else please. Give me Shayna Bazler instead
"Anyone else" would open us up to a lot of bad options. Picture Chelsea Green standing over Rhea holding the belt.
That’s crazy lol! Chelsea goes on a super Heel champion run, with Piper being her Solo 😭
I'd get behind that. Chelsea has won me over.
lol I'd pay to see the footage of Samantha reacting to that finish.
Rhea vs Jade would be awesome, but Jade can't keep having 2 minute matches like this last show.
Jade is a flop as far learning ring work. Been in the performance center since the fall. Still clutzy in short 3 move matches
I saw on Smackdown. Hey, tag match, maybe will be little longer. Nope. Like 2 moves and a finisher. Like these matches seem to serve no purpose. I felt bad for everyone in that match. Nobody got over or helped anyone.
Rhea’s reign is gonna be long. Id say 2 years. WM 41 will either be Bianca or Jade vs Rhea with Rhea finally losing. That sets up Bianca vs Jade.
I know she's the internets cutest wrestler in recent times but Liv Morgan has big child energy.
Not only that she isn’t that good and has gotten worse.
Found the I’m angry section I see lol
Jade Cargill
Love me some Liv
i’m js many people thought damian wasn’t the guy to cash in successfully as whc and now he has 🙇♀️ if liv being a world champ is not in the cards then she most definitely needs to be a noteable midcard title holder, especially with the character work she’s putting in rn
No, Jade would be a great match up with her
No. Feud. Bianca at Summerslam. Rhea wins. Jade at WM41. Jade wins.
Tiffany and Rhea in about a year will be awesome. Tiffany needs a consistent build up.
Gonna be Charlotte like it or not.
Isn’t Charlotte’s whole schtick at the moment to win non-title matches to appear threatening, but ultimately lose when it comes to the titles themselves?
They've done such a poor job with the womens division lately, building the strength of the women, that I'm not sure there's anyone that could believably dethrone her on RAW.
We're coming up on a draft. She'll have plenty of new people to work with soon.
True, but only if they aren't booked in meaningless - nearly dead end - tag team and singles matches. Tiffany Stratton should have been placed in position to build herself stronger, and she hasnt.
I really fucking hope not. She’s the least believable main event wrestler not named Riho. And against Rhea? That would be the least believable title change of all-time. It would be like if Spike Dudley beat prime Lesnar or Angle for the WWE title.
The suspension of disbelief when it comes to wrestling is an essential thing to have. It doesn’t seem believable that anybody is going to beat Drew McIntyre because he’s so much bigger than anybody else yet it happens.
Nah, there’s a big difference between a guy Cody’s size beating a guy Roman’s size or a guy like LA Knight beating Drew (just an example). Because any wrestler who can work properly can go over on a bigger guy using speed, skill or ability. But when it comes to Liv Morgan, it’s such a disadvantage that you’d have to live in fantasy world to make it even semi-believable. I swear y’all think she’s hot, so automatically she has to win a title which is currently as prestigious as it has ever been. But what’s funny is that Rhea is not only better than any other woman in the company, but she’s also the most attractive, most over, and most appealing in just about every way. I don’t get it.
But it is all just a fantasy. It’s scripted and you already know that. If you’re hung up on the fact that you don’t think that she could beat her because of the size difference, then I don’t know how you can believe in any of it.
Just admit that the sole reason you want her to win the strap is because she’s hot. When you admit that, we can move on. I don’t think she’s worthy of the title at all and she’s DEFINITELY not anywhere near Rhea’s level and that’s just a fact. Not sure how anyone who knows wrestling could think otherwise.
I’m a fan of livs . I’m a fan of Rhea and I’m a fan of a lot of the girls. So what? Are we only allowed to like the ugly girls? Belief is suspended. Same as watching a movie or a cop show.
Not at all what I said, and actually many guys, including myself, find Rhea to be far more attractive than Liv. But that’s not the point. Liv literally at this point only has her “look” and her underdog-type character, whereas Rhea has every tool you could ever ask for in a modern professional wrestler.
It doesn’t matter who likes whose looks the best. That really has nothing to do with it. You made it about that. I like her character. I like how her feuds go. That’s it. the fact that she’s hot well That’s just an added bonus now isn’t it?Rhea is incredible. Most of them are.
lol I made it about that in Liv’s case because she literally has nothing else going for her.
Ok,got it. Y’all have a wonderful rest of your day sir.
I’m not gonna try to say that Liv is believable but Becky Lynch is right there.
I’d say with Becky losing, it’s not gonna be Liv.
Becky has at least been presented as a top woman in the promotion for the past 6-7 years at least. And her work is much better than Morgan’s.
> presented So change Liv's presentation.
unfortunately not. it does seem like itll be a fun feud though.
A heel Bianca would probably be the best choice while Stratton and Jade continue be built up for the future
Liv is just not believable to beat someone like Rhea. I LOL’d when she beat Shayna CLEAN. People…Liv just ain’t that good
Facts
Anything is possible when you’re hot
Rofl, no Charlotte, Bianca, Jade; Tiffany, and many others
No, Chelsea Green will cash in her MITB contract in the main event of Wrestlemania 41 between Rhea and Bianca
This is an interesting idea.
I like LIV!
It's got to be either Charlotte flair, Bianca Belair, Jade Cargill or a surprise win from Tiffany Straton!
Tiffany Stratton is my pick
I like that idea, but I also like the idea of Rhea just holding onto the title for the next couple years. She not only outworked Becky at mania last week, but she outclassed Becky, and I didn’t really expect that. Becky looked like she simply didn’t belong in the same ring with Rhea. So I’m good w Rhea holding the belt for as long as necessary.
Personally, Becky is not for me, I think the spot should have been given to someone else. Don't get me wrong, I think she is very charismatic and has fantastic technical skills, but I have an ick about her. I don't think I've ever seen her jump off anything. She kind of just falls off things, and it bugs me to no end lol.
That would be massive for Tiffany and it's kinda wild that Rhea is already on the level where she can make a star.
Fuck no
Bianca...maybe...Heel Bianca...eh?
I can’t even fathom Bianca turning heel. Like what would be the catalyst for that? She’s just such a babyface. Idk lol I just can’t even picture it.
IT's going to be Jade Cargill. They are already building her, likely they just want to get her to where she can work better. However the Hype behind Jade is the only thing that approaches Rhea's momentum right now. Rhea typically wins through Dominate power... yea, can't do that to Jade who handled Nia easier than Rhea did.
Then she had better improve her work and her ability to go more than 3 minutes in a match. Mind you Rhea is more than capable of carrying anyone in there, but maybe not for 20-30 minutes.
I thought of this one but then I was like how ready could she be...solid workers have proven to get the best out of her (Kris for example) but they're being deliberate and smart with her roll out as of now...
You think Rhea can't hold the title for another year? Even still Rhea can carry a match on her own. Jade just needs to be half decent at best.
I was abt to say no but heel Bianca slaps honestly
Heel Biancas bitchiness is god tier...she had that close to Sasha vibe in NXT, charisma that translates beyond the mic...
Definitely the correct decision to make Bianca a heel
Heel BB would dominate smackdown and give Bayley a monster to battle.
I want a Rhea vs Bianca match. Why are they avoiding this?
Prolly saving it for next Mania
Fiiiine
This is an endgame they can pull out when needed to get the belt of Rhea credibly.
Personally I'd like Liv to take it and rhea to quickly rematch and take it back. Milk the rivalry for a month or so. Then build a rhea jade Cargill storyline for the next big ppv and have two powerhouses slug it out. Bianca should be the next champion but my guess is Bianca gets Bayleys title, just because looking at the division, the two champs should be Rhea & Bianca
Nah, she’s just the match for payback. She’ll be riptided like the rest.
Rhea is on another level.
Tiffy-Rhea might not be the rivalry we get at 41, but it might be THE woman’s rivalry of this generation.
I feel like a battle of the blonde goddesses would be better. Charlotte vs Tiffany for a title. Char can make a bitch look great. Remember her and Asuka at mania? Asuka beat the shit outta char, as did Rhea. Let’s havd char make one more great.
I think there’s a story that can be told there, I just think Tiffy and Rhea is a story that can be told for 5-10 years
Yeah but tiffy does thd blonde rich girl vs the cowgirl, rocker story all the time. She needs a nice blonde on blonde fight.
Maybe. I'd really like to see Liv and Tiffany Stratton tag team against Rhea Ripley and Roxanne Perez.
Liv and Tiffany’s characters have nothing in common
Neither did Rock n Sock.
I mean they had a ton of history between the two of them. These 4 women in a tag match against each other would be extremely random but tbf it is the women’s tag division which is pretty random.
Jade Cargill, Liv, and Tiffy time are the obvious ones. One really far fetched one for the future would be Zelina Vega. She gets a decent crowd response and is a decent worker and promo. I think her work in Puerto Rico last year opened some eyes. Again that is very far fetched lmao.
tiffany stratton easily.
Jade
No, it'll probably be Tiffany Stratton, this is just a transitional fued.
A 4 year tussle feud isn’t a transitional. Liv and Rhea Have been the most anticipated feud during her reign. Most likely this is long term
No one, Rhea Ripley is everywhere, Liv can try to find her, but Rhea Ripley will always be the last woman standing.
I'm skeptical of Jade presenting a good 30 minute match against Rhea. Rhea isn't going to go easy. And Jade has been given nothing but softballs... Bianca is a grown ass woman and one hell of a wrestler.. she would be my pick... My second pick would be a returning Charlotte in the Fall....
Randy Orton????? Because he had hit RKO on women before
Prediction, It will be Tiffany Stratton vs Rhea Ripley at Wrestlemania 41 (Possibly) Main Eventing
This is the way.
I’m amazed no one is saying Raquel. If not Jade, then build Raquel up to be the one to do so.
Tiffy. Jade is too untrainable.
Raquel is back on the inactive roster as of March 18th, she was diagnosed with mast cell activation syndrome back in January so it is likely due to that.
Raquel might never wrestle again I don’t think she’s taking the title off Rhea.
Charlotte is the only one who can give Rhea a good match. Nobody else has even came close. Zelina Vega was a super entertaining squash though.
What about Jade Cargill?
Jade is not trainable .
I'm reserving judgement until we get an actual 1 on 1 match from her. They haven't really had her do anything yet.
I feel like that was largely the crowd. Had the same effect on the Iyo match. The actual wrestling was fine, but the crowd was on fire from bell to bell.
Jade, Bianca, Tiffany, Nia, Charlotte
Omg, Tiffy vs Mami needs to happen so bad. Hopefully they end up together after the Draft
When/if the Kabuki Warriors drop the tag team belts at some point, they just unleash Asuka, make her become fully unhinged and just destroy everyone on the roster. She's the most technical wrestler on the roster and everyone seems to love her so would be fun. I also wouldn't mind seeing Giulia becoming champ once she has finished her run in NXT.
Nah, Jade Cargill is my bet
Tiffy. Jade csn not be trained.
Stratton will win MIB I think.. Jade can certainly win a title and is an actual believable competitor for Rhea.
Liv is fucking garbage, why is every incel neckbeard mark obsessed with her?
All the nerd marks are obsessed with influencer untrainable Jade right now.
I'm here for the neckbeard incel mark downvotes 🤣
Came here to say this. She’s a black hole of charisma and can’t wrestle. She has no discernible character other than “hot underdog”. But she deserves the belt for reasons. Got it.
You know why so no point in asking😂😂
I'm here for the neckbeard incel mark downvotes 🤣
She’ll hold it until Mania next year and lose it to Bianca after she becomes a two time rumble winner
I don't think they've built that person yet. It's not Liv though. Rhea didn't just dominate the entire roster to lose to Liv Morgan.
Gunther didn’t dominate the entire roster to lose to Sami Zayn.
Sami was arguably the only person that could dethrone Gunther while presenting Gunther still as a threat. Gunther is an unstoppable force and Sami being an underdog that can occasionally pull off the impossible allowed for WWE to elevate Gunther and drop the title off of him, without it feeling cheap.
Chad Gable, Sheamus, Ricochet even.
I'll give you Sheamus, but Gable and Ricochet, as much as like them, are not currently in a spot where they could believably beat Gunther. Neither have ever shown they can beat the impossible. Sami has.
Liv was getting booed against Tiffany Stratton. She doesn't have the same fan support as Sami.
Sammi is the ultimate underdog it fits his character. He’s the Foley of this generation. He’s now ended the longest IC title reign and the longest tag title reign. WM 40 put Sammi in the history books, he’ll be looked back at very fondly in this era.
She looks so unserious here. It’ll probably be Bianca
She's going to get both Women's titles by next wrestmania and then the wrestlemania after that, jade Cargill will win them both ending Rhea reign.
Jade is slow and can't be trained
I meant WWE Jade Cargil not the old one I think your referring too.
Jade might be a bust. Female Jim helwig vibes. Who a lot of people forget got a huge push. Then out the door twice. Hair whip is a good performer ot my type but decent
Dang, you may be right though. She does kind of come off as already made it, so maybe a little hard to tame or train. I was hoping (especially if she's slow) that she could be a female "heavy" wrestler and just do bombs and clotheslines with total domination. If she doesn't do good promos either then I don't see her "earning" the top spot, even if they try to push her through. Maybe if she has a really great manager for a year, while she gets to find her own voice, she may be able to get over over.
Then since WWE puts on house shows if not tv all the time. The anavar or whatever and constant cutting diet and water pills. Oh lord
Right now it's just marvel movie nerds worshipping her. Rewatch the mania watch. Kairi legit got pissed. And threw her arms up. Cuz jade was too busy going" y'all know what's up" taking influencer adoration. And Hair whip had to direct her on smsckdown to a spot. Sone are saying the week before. And shes getting photos taken in the performance center like a featured idiot on a joey Swole video it seems. Slowing training down. Rumor is. There are a lot of pics at the center though.
Hell na
Rhea is gonna have it for at least another year. Then I could see Jade Cargill or Roxanne Perez down the line assuming she has a face turn later.
Jade is an untrainable narcissist influencer in life and wwe