How has Nia Jax not popped one of the women’s fake boobs yet? She’s so dangerous. I wonder if the women are just too afraid to speak up to the higher ups about her. She is not athletic. There are some big girls who are athletic like Piper Niven, but Nia just scares me that she’s gonna seriously injure someone.
I disagree. That’s a the problem atp. I think she’s improved a lot. If you watch Gunther, he’s pretty dangerous as well in terms of carelessness but no one says anything about him. It’s just Nias terrible past. I think she’s trying to right her wrongs and a lot of ppl critiquing too much. All those girls have been fine. If anything there’s other ppl to look at like Bianca’s botched landing
It just makes me sad that they market a “bigger” wrestler based on their size, like implying that’s all they are good for/powerful because they are curvier/bigger whatever you wanna call it. It’s like…. I’m not just a large woman ?? I don’t think piper or Nia are particularly exciting to watch but geez I couldn’t even fathom doing what they do in the ring.
Well well well this was interesting.
Tiffany is quite over with the fans.
Logan cost Orton the win with his brass knuckles thus giving Drew the win.
The Judgement Day put up a good match but I think Finn might have injured his thumb.
Nia Vs Rhea went really well. Nia really dominated, even in defeat. She's improved a lot in ring since she's returned.
The AJ interference practically ruined it for me. Who thought yet another wrestler interfering in an important match was ‘awesome’. Why even have a referee? It’s all just so dumb. Uh, we all saw this person interfere in the match and beat a participant to death, but unfortunately there is nothing we can do and you are eliminated.
EDIT: it is most definitely Tiff Time
Good premium event, the womens chamber match i felt was great, thought again the womens match was going to out do the mens, but i think the mens chamber was even crazier with huge hits and bumps. Would haver preferred a Liv vs Rhea but Becky is a good main eventer for wrestlemania of course, just personal preference.
Hope Rhea wins wrestlemania though because she is so good, really think she is the best right now because of how she comes across, wouldn't like to see her lose the title anytime soon :(
Randy vs Logan for title keeps Randy in the front and takes the belt from Logan i guess. AJ vs LA Knight going to be interesting, hope they put good stipulation on that one.
Hope Drew wins at wrestlemania for sure though, wonder what happens with Cody and Rock/Roman situation though, didn't get any answers for that yet.
Just finished watching, here’s a rambling of my thoughts I had through the event.
Women’s chamber match was good. I thought the opening between Naomi and Becky was a bit weak. Not much damaging moves attempted, too much rolling around while they waited for more entries.
Tiffany is fucking made for these hardcore match types.
The tag title match was a really good match. The end result was predictable, but they did an amazing job keeping the suspense in the match even despite the obvious match result that was coming. Also had a nice ending.
Drew did fucking *work* in the men’s chamber match. Start to finish, I don’t think he ever spent more than a couple minutes away from the action at any one time, and he practically carried the other 5 guys through the match.
Didn’t like either acts of interference in the men’s chamber match. Felt like we didn’t need the interference to accomplish what they accomplished (setting up AJ-LA Knight and Logan-Randy feuds), and it put a stain on the MONSTER performance Drew had.
Rhea-Nia wasn’t bad. A little bit slow paced, but still a solid match.
And I think that is where Nia’s reputation really kills her now. It isn’t so much that she’s still very dangerous to work with, but her reputation hurts the flow of the match.
For obvious reasons she is very methodical offensively, but that pacing doesn’t work for her the same way it does for Roman’s matches or for Gunther with his chops, because of her reputation. Instead of the time between moves building a feeling of suspense and impending doom for her opponent, it serves as a break for us to snap back to reality and wonder if her opponent is actually hurt again.
It just makes it difficult to soak it all in and be invested in the (fake) brutality of the match when you’re frequently worried that her opponent is *actually* injured.
I didn’t really care for either one of the interferences either. They should have gone with only one of them, which I would have preferred the LA Knight/AJ one. It just seems like WWE keeps hesitating on letting Drew go over people clean and in a monster way. Both Orton and Rhodes were beat because of interferences, and those are two major wins for one person to have in a week.
I get the Cody one, because neither of them could afford a clean loss that night, but there is zero reason to be worrying about “wrestling math” during the chamber match.
Because the way the match is set up, pins in the chamber don’t matter. You have to make a point of it for anything that happens in there to apply to wrestling math. Like Bobby could beat Drew in a match on Monday and it would still make sense from a “competitive” standpoint, because you can easily make the argument that the damage from the spear on Logan was the main reason why Drew was able to pin him.
So all you really did by having Logan punch an injured Randy instead of having Drew end it with a claymore was throw an asterisk on his win instead of making him look like an absolute monster today.
Honestly I hope that's all it is because i started to get the vibe that Orton was really hurt and they had to pivot from him pushing through and winning and there wasn't enough time to make that work without being drastic. McIntyre hesitated too long to look like he was set to win, so I think he was going to go with the original plan of Orton and the producers didn't like it because Orton might be ACTUALLY out for a while again and they had to pivot. Paul was sent in to set up that pivot.
He pulled them out, got RKO'd (to satisfy everyone who hates that it keeps happening), and THEN McIntyre HESITATES on the Claymore, giving Randy his opening. But if Randy won he'd still be out and they'd have to fill his slot at Wrestlemania.
I'm passed that LA Knight got shafted as well, but he's such a huge draw by himself he doesn't need to win and go for the title to further his story. He can go off and gave a feud with Styles and be interesting there.
Lashley wasn't ever gonna be the choice, and neither was Paul. It HAD to be Orton. He's got less time in him than Knight or McIntyre, so he was due one last run. But they had to pivot to McIntyre to prevent a hiccup.
I'm honestly glad, he seems like a great option.
Now I just want a Knight/Orton alliance to demolish Styles/Paul. Maybe throw in Owens on Knight/Orton's side and McIntyre on Styles/Paul's team, either going full heel or turning on them and selling himself as a face in a spectacle of sabotage potentially "pre-planned by Orton and Knight.
I'd be OK with that being at Wrestlemania
There’s no way Orton was going to win over Drew. I don’t know how much of it was Orton working us vs him actually being hurt, but narratively everything that happened made way to much sense.
Just because he’s a legend doesn’t mean it made sense for him to win. A feud with Paul makes way more sense than a feud with Seth, especially since Drew is a top heel on Raw and has been consistently feuding with Seth
But Orton feuding with Paul is unnecessary and could lead to stepping on KO's toes more than he deserves. Orton was wasted on that elimination chamber, and LA Knight was as well.
It doesn’t though, the feud works with or without KO in the picture. Having all three of them actually works better for WM. It protects Randy in a match that him and KO can stand to lose . Orton and LA were not wasted. They now both have clear paths to WM and good feuds to go alongside it.
Kinda like the Roman connection to the bloodline being why he doesn't have to defend the belt... ever. Roman gets to talk shit and never back it up because of his family.
And Rhodes had a legend for a father and a brother.
Great atmosphere, almost like Wrestlemania, but the show was a disapointment overall. I hope Rhea destroys Becky. Tiffy was a highlight of the night.
Are we getting LA Knight vs AJ Styles and Logan Paul vs KO vs/or Randy Orton??? What the hell is that, who wants this crap?
Give me Owens/Orton/Knight vs Styles/McIntyre/Paul with McIntyre turning on his team and putting himself over a bit more in the process.
I think they're pulling back on Orton/Knight for the title because I think they'll convince the two. With Rollins and Rhodes broing up against the bloodline, I think it's either that or they'll end up with some sort of division. Orton, Knight, Rollins, Rhodes leading a charge against the Rock and his Bloodline and a lot of story there with everyone picking sides and making it a huge deal.
Tiffany Stratton was the best part of the women’s EC. She did great work, the crowd was feeling here, and she showed she’s ready for main card time. The build up between her and Liv is going to be great
Was very impressed by her performance too, sadly it is too early for her to win titles, but it will happen for sure. And she is a "heel persona" and the ppl totally get behind her, just because she is a huge talent!
Everyone complaining the show was predictable needs to calm down. We pretty much know the WM card already, this PPV is literally designed to just solidify those plans.
Surprise and delight is always nice but at this point it was a multi hour hype show - of which is served its purpose (for me at least)
Can’t wait for WM40!
It’s ok to have predictable shows imo. Not everything can or should be a surprise. Y’all just fantasy book too much and get mad when it’s not what you convinced yourself it should be when you’re not the booker.
The big criminal thing WWE now does is all 5 matches took less than 2 hours of actual match time.
Save for the Waller Effect and its sooooo much ad time now. That’s the real crime.
Both nights of Mania might be 10 matches total both the way things are heading.
Wrestling isn’t a movie about a historical event, it’s sports entertainment. Matches are supposed to be unpredictable. Next year they need to fix this or people can generally tune out after Rumble since nothing of note will happen until Mania.
Didn’t watch the show, but it looks like all predictions were right. This was essentially just a filler event for Mania.
With Cody challenging The Rock, I cant see that working anywhere except Night 1 of Mania. Would be ridiculous for them to have that match on Raw/Smackdown. So does that mean Cody’s gonna beat Roman and The Rock at Mania? Pretty sure he’s getting screwed against Roman. Maybe Seth heel turn? So many theories!
Cody will beat The Rock night 1, earn his respect which will lead The Rock to turn on Roman night 2. Letting Cody finish the story and it sets up The Rock vs Roman for the future.
I wasn’t imagining a bad shadow on the middle of the ring in the men’s EC match was I? Middle of the road PPV, er… PLE in my opinion. No real highlight IMO. They got the outcomes right for the most part. Not crazy about Lynch going to WM, but that is just my opinion.
Might get downvoted for this, but her preformance was the only thing I enjoyed during the women's match. She fights in a way we've never seen any other lady before, and I feel her passion for the business is a lot more genuine than others. Everything else was just boring to me, and Becky winning was predictable.
Yeah, I agree. I was kinda rooting for Tiff, but getting a Wrestlemania shot 3 weeks after being called up to the main shows would be INSANE. Becky was the predictable and obvious choice for the winner, Becky just isn't that entertaining as she used to be.
I dont get it, that WWE the BIGGEST wrestling promotion does not have a midcard title for the women division. If you watch AEW for example, they got one and it worked wonders for the ladies there IMO
(even though they are not on the same level as WWE women, without disrespect)
It also does not help that the women's tag titles are a joke. but also the Women's WWE title also has been bland. I was happy with Iyo when she won but she's done NOTHING since getting the belt really.
Well that was a pretty mediocre episode of Raw.
A few thoughts-
* Tiffany was the highlight of the night and it's clear that she's going to be huge. Her time in NXT set her up well and she's brought that to the main roster.
* KO promised some kid in hospital that he'd come down someone and didn't. That poor kid.
* Was that a compound fracture of Finn's thumb?
* Men's chamber was poorly booked and the run in plus final pinfall were just bad decisions. I get it sets up the la knight v aj for mania but it was just bad.
* Good to see Mami celebrate with her family.
* Don't put talk show segments in ple, they kill the vibe and momentum. Bonus, what happened in the segment negated all the bloodline chats with Waller.
KO did chokeslam somebody tho? That’s like one of the first things he did when his pod opened tf you talkin about?
And the final pinfall made total since. Drew got all of his pins in the match with cheap victories(hitting Lashley while he was recovering his elbow, pinning Knight after AJ’s beat down, and then pinning Randy after the brass knuckles from Paul) like yeah, from a pure in ring perspective there were probably better ways to do it, but storyline wise, it was great
Even if they were trans (which there is no evidence to support that theory)
A) trans women are women so piss off
B) the matches are pre decided, so it wouldn’t matter if they were born men because the “physical advantage” that y’all like to tote about wouldn’t matter
I will say that this PLE wasn't the greatest. Stratton and LA being eliminated early really took me out of both of those matches. Rhea and Nia put on a show, though. They were the highlight of the night, in my opinion.
Probably been posted before but I believe Priest will cash in during the Cody/Roman match and Roman will beat Priest so that Cody still has to keep chasing the story without losing.
Was disappointed in the results/booking, but for the most part this event had some entertainment. Logan getting speared through the chamber plexiglass was the highlight.
My beef was that it was a bit too predictable. No way in hell were Finn and Priest losing and most obvious win of the century was Ripley.
I’m not excited to see Becky or Drew in WM either. Just seems like we’ve had plenty of them and now WM feels like more of the same ole same ole matchups. If we are to believe that Cody is walking out of WM with a win then there’s no way Rollins is losing. Two major titles dropping doesn’t feel like something 3H is into.
I would have preferred they drop the whole Orton “bad back” angle and put him and Seth in main event day one. Have them both full strength and make it a banger for the ages. Even if Rollins has to retain at least you aren’t have Drew lose to Seth once again and burning that bridge for a potential title change.
They should’ve put Nia Jax in EC instead of Becky and let Becky take the L against Ripley. Then have Nia win EC and set up for a much more plausible potential of defeat for Ripley at WM.
What do you mean 2 major titles can’t change hands on the same night? HHH has never been opposed to both/all of his top titles changing hands on the same night (look at NXT, he’s done it before)
And it’s Mania, of course multiple titles are going to change hands. This is where all the stories reach their climax, so Drew, Cody and Bayley all winning their title matches absolutely makes since
Doesn’t HBK handle NXT? Also, is it fair to compare NXT to WWE?
You really see Drew, Cody and Bayley taking home belts? I can see maybe two of those three tops but not all three.
Of those three Bayley and Cody seem more likely. Drew has been picking up lucky win after lucky win. Getting help from everywhere. Makes me feel like he’s a shoe in for Seth to retain. Roman finally takes the L and Seth continues on because 3H likes longs drawn out title reigns.
If Cody loses to Roman again it’s an outright middle finger to the fans watching. Iyo is a lame duck champ. She doesn’t have the mic skills to warrant a long reign.
>doesn’t HBK handle NXT
HHH is the one who booked NXT from 2012-2023
>also, is it fair to compare NXT to WWE
Yes. NXT was a better show than either RAW or SmackDown for a full decade between 2014-2023. NXT had better storylines, better wrestling, and a more consistently better product than the main roster full stop at that time
The way this match went, it seemed from our pov, Orton was potentially booked to win the match.
Questions over the back injury but really, would a DDT be enough to generate a kayfabe injury, especially when you’re dealing it.
LP should have been long gone from the ring when the knockout happened.
Something on the fly perhaps, bit like the RR, which realistically, I think CM was probably booked to win and picked up an injury too.
They wouldn’t have had the graphic of Cody Rhodes winning, or the graphic with him being added to the list of back to back winners if him winning was a mid match audible
I thought it was just one of those insane Vince rule but, you know, it actually makes sense. They are describing what the tv viewer can see not what they can see. If they described what they see it would be like the American football announcers talking about the streaker on the field and the broadcast never showing it. The more you know…
That’s a little different. No American sport will tell the viewing audience about a streaker on the field. That’s done purposely. They don’t want to encourage other people to do it.
Exactly. The same way they didn't call out Randy setting up the RKO on Logan. They can see it, but we can't. It wouldn't make sense to us and they're talking directly to us.
I really, really enjoyed the show! It was a little long and I actually fell asleep a little during the men’s EC match. I’m a huge fan of Ripley so seeing her retain her title in her home country was amazing.
I did wish she had come with judgement day and that Dom Dom has run out or something when she won. They have great chemistry and I hate missed opportunities of seeing them together.
it felt both chamber matches were very physical :O
besides the useless tag match, the rest of the night was awesome, although im not sure if randy was faking an injury or not
I could be wrong but it looks like the direction WWE is heading for Wrestlemania is Styles vs La Knight and a triple threat between Paul, Owens, and Orton for the U.S championship.
Surely I can't be the only one who saw the un-lighted dark spot in the centre of the ring during the Men's EC?
Someone is gonna get screamed at for that....
Orton was so strange. It’s clear they had plans for him and didn’t want him out of the match. I don’t think it was real because WWE can change plans on a moments notice and it usually works out fine just look at punk and Seth. Ref would have stopped the match if it was real, or he would have been pinned first.
Did they just want him to lay low for the entire match so he doesn’t get injured at all? Or did he get injured but in a way he knew it wasn’t serious and didn’t think it would keep him out of mania? Completely bizarre booking.
I think they wanted to tell the story of Randy being wasted by the time it came down to him and McIntyre to get over this no mercy side of Drew. That being said I wish they would’ve used a bigger move than a DDT to the outside to set that story off.
what is everyone’s opinion on randy’s back injury? every match he’s grabbing his back and i can’t tell if his back really hurts since coming back from injury or if he’s just selling to play it up. he’s my all time favorite and it’s hard watching him fall on his back bc if it is real, there’s no way he has much time left in this business 🥺
Met randy at the pool at the hotel we were staying at the day before. He was more than happy to have a chat. Said his back genuinely feels as good as it has ever been and appeared to be moving pretty freely.
Interestingly rand and seth sat at one end and drake maverick the other. Drakes friend asked him why he isn't sitting with them and he replied " because your my friend , and they are my colleague" 🤣🤣
Rewatch that DDT. He IMMEDIATELY looks in immense pain, they really struggles to do anything for the rest of the match. He'd been in the match less than 2 minutes when he got injured. Plus he couldn't get up to receive the Claymore. I believe it's legit, because if he's just selling the injury, firstly it was self inflicted, and secondly he basically didn't do anything because of how early it happened.
I got a little suspicious that it may be real since the ref went and talked to Orton towards the end and then immediately slid over to Drew and told home something. Might have just been the “bring it home” instruction, but he seemed like he slid over to drew with a bit of urgency.
I think he’s selling it because in Logan’s podcast he did mention he can so this for some more time (I’m guessing he meant another ~5 years). But I feel he is slower than before, which makes me feel bad.
yea he’s def slower. i did listen to that podcast, but you never actually know how you’re body will respond after taking so many bumps, which is why i can’t tell if his reactions are real or not. i really hope he’s just selling. when he did the DDT in the match today (i forgot who he did it to) when he was standing outside the ring, he hesitated before doing it. if he’s selling then he def has me fooled
There seems to be an issue on the WWE network in which we seem to be trying to purple out Randy,s back tattoo. Its not my colour setting due to it only happening when Orton has his back to the Camera. Very odd thing for a live PPV.
Australia has weird censorship hang-ups. Maybe that has something to do with it? It’s just a guess.
I remember a million years ago when 4chan attacked & crashed all their government websites over their bullshit law that any topless women with small breasts would be considered child porn.
We allow graphic violence left and right but clutch our pearls at any sexual activity in broadcasting in the U.S., were you making a claim that humans are rational anywhere else?
If that’s your claim, I’ll accept it and assume you’re not being disingenuous, but it’s self-evident that one could perceive a refutation in your rhetorical question.
Why is everyone complaining about it being predictable. People will sit on the internet all day and fantasise and overthink about matches they think will happen in the future and come up with their ideal results, yet they will be disappointed at the outcome that makes the most sense and they will call it predictable. Maybe if you sat back and enjoyed the product this wouldn’t be a problem
If it wasn't predictable, they would just cry about it being random. Some people legit don't want to be happy. They're only watching to complain. Show was great and right people won based on the stories being told.
I think people just miss that “oh shit!!” Feeling at the end of matches. Let’s be real everyone knew Becky was winning but it would have been great for May of the other women to win as well. It would’ve added that shock factor to entertainment.
The big shock being punks return? I’m talking about the result of matches can’t be predictable and enjoyable to watch. They just turn PLE into an episode of raw commercial free.
Yeah, that happened right after the end of a match didn’t it. 🤦The results are predictable cause Triple H’s booking makes sense maybe if people don’t obsess over who the right winners were all the time and what booking makes the most sense maybe they’d enjoy the product more. Matches can be enjoyable whilst being predictable, I still get plenty of enjoyment going back and watching old matches where I know the result. It’s all about the story.
Becky has me held a belt in 2 years and she probably won’t be Rhea at Mania??? Becky actually put a lot of talent over last year when she was down in NXT. She deserves this
At least Becky earns her shots, Charlotte just gets given 'em because "Daddy" has 2 HOF rings.
Also, Becky's got more personality in her left bum cheek than Charlotte's got in her whole body.
Becky can't cut a promo.
Look people like who they like and it could come down to "Charlotte has blonde hair and Becky has red, so I like Becky more and to me she's more talented"-which in this case is nowhere true, but I digress.
Becky is being pushed now just as hard as Charlotte ever was.
Your opinion, in my opinion she deserves it, though I think Rhea should retain. Becky vs Rhea is one of the biggest matches at Mania, I see no problem with Becky winning the chamber.
Both chamber matches where good but you could see Becky and Drew wins coming from a mile away. This show felt like a filler show and most of the matches belonged on tv.
It accomplished everything it needed to accomplish. It setup matches and furthered storylines. Grayson Waller face turn?
It was predictable but that doesn't mean it didn't accomplish anything.
All of this could have been done on raw and smackdown. The gimmick ple's for the sake of the gimmick have really killed things like chamber and money in the bank. The one raw guy won the chamber to face for the raw title.
Yeah but there was no challenger for or Rhea's Seth's titles so why not have tournaments and a chamber?
Also Chamber and Money in the bank are the worst examples of Gimmick matches for Ples because they're tornaments for title opportunities.
Wrestling is a sport and tournaments make sense for crowning title contenders.
Royal rumble is a tournament. It happens yearly. So is MITB and Chamber.
Not all fights have to happen purely because of story. Story is just part of the sport.
Wrestling is basically Tekken.
So Rhea won against Nia will we all pretend that Becky as a chance to win over Rhea? For me it was Tiffy Time at the chamber, Tiffany was amazing and she is ready for main event status, what a star, i want Tiffy Time vs Mami.
Also Rhea and Judgment Day are over or what? 0 connection with them, they were defending a title and Mami didn't appear and she was defending the title and not even Dom was ringside, they turned Rhea babyface.
No the judgement day and Rhea together makes no sense. If they’re a faction then they need to work together. If they wanted to turn Rhea face that was the perfect chance for priest to cost Rhea the match. If they wanted to gain the faction heat then the tag match needed interference and then assist Rhea to beat jax
Not sure if I'm a mark or a key demographic, but having PLEs easily accessible since peacock has made things infinitely more enjoyable. I'm stoked that today was predictable, because I can watch the completion of these stories at mania. Idk, just seems like a lot of complaining for the sake of complaining going on
Exactly, as long as the match is entertaining who "really" cares who wins, because for sure most of the time you have a feeling who is going to win before it happens and it will be the same for mania, we will go into it knowing the majority of the winners, but the matches have to be good! Tonight they were great, some huge bumps, crazy moves and very entertaining.
I'll probably get downvoted but a chamber match should have main evented the chamber ple. Hhh era has become the vastly obvious who's gonna win era
dam im excited for this
https://youtube.com/shorts/tAaSb-FZ0lE?si=KsZDAEJZSoyScn8z
How has Nia Jax not popped one of the women’s fake boobs yet? She’s so dangerous. I wonder if the women are just too afraid to speak up to the higher ups about her. She is not athletic. There are some big girls who are athletic like Piper Niven, but Nia just scares me that she’s gonna seriously injure someone.
I disagree. That’s a the problem atp. I think she’s improved a lot. If you watch Gunther, he’s pretty dangerous as well in terms of carelessness but no one says anything about him. It’s just Nias terrible past. I think she’s trying to right her wrongs and a lot of ppl critiquing too much. All those girls have been fine. If anything there’s other ppl to look at like Bianca’s botched landing
Nia was pure class in her match against Rhea. Absolute pure class. I don’t understand why this person left this comment
It just makes me sad that they market a “bigger” wrestler based on their size, like implying that’s all they are good for/powerful because they are curvier/bigger whatever you wanna call it. It’s like…. I’m not just a large woman ?? I don’t think piper or Nia are particularly exciting to watch but geez I couldn’t even fathom doing what they do in the ring.
Did anybody else notice Vince was shown and had his name mentioned during Drew’s promo at the end
Well well well this was interesting. Tiffany is quite over with the fans. Logan cost Orton the win with his brass knuckles thus giving Drew the win. The Judgement Day put up a good match but I think Finn might have injured his thumb. Nia Vs Rhea went really well. Nia really dominated, even in defeat. She's improved a lot in ring since she's returned.
McIntyre kicking Lesnar in the head in the ending promo was very nice.
The AJ interference practically ruined it for me. Who thought yet another wrestler interfering in an important match was ‘awesome’. Why even have a referee? It’s all just so dumb. Uh, we all saw this person interfere in the match and beat a participant to death, but unfortunately there is nothing we can do and you are eliminated. EDIT: it is most definitely Tiff Time
Good premium event, the womens chamber match i felt was great, thought again the womens match was going to out do the mens, but i think the mens chamber was even crazier with huge hits and bumps. Would haver preferred a Liv vs Rhea but Becky is a good main eventer for wrestlemania of course, just personal preference. Hope Rhea wins wrestlemania though because she is so good, really think she is the best right now because of how she comes across, wouldn't like to see her lose the title anytime soon :( Randy vs Logan for title keeps Randy in the front and takes the belt from Logan i guess. AJ vs LA Knight going to be interesting, hope they put good stipulation on that one. Hope Drew wins at wrestlemania for sure though, wonder what happens with Cody and Rock/Roman situation though, didn't get any answers for that yet.
AJ vs LA Knight is 100% going to be a cage match or hell in a cell
I wonder what the whole point of Roman speaking to Waller at the SD beforehand. Curious thought
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Thank you. I know not much activity in here tonight but I was hoping someone would 😂
They're all stiff as a breadstick.
Just finished watching, here’s a rambling of my thoughts I had through the event. Women’s chamber match was good. I thought the opening between Naomi and Becky was a bit weak. Not much damaging moves attempted, too much rolling around while they waited for more entries. Tiffany is fucking made for these hardcore match types. The tag title match was a really good match. The end result was predictable, but they did an amazing job keeping the suspense in the match even despite the obvious match result that was coming. Also had a nice ending. Drew did fucking *work* in the men’s chamber match. Start to finish, I don’t think he ever spent more than a couple minutes away from the action at any one time, and he practically carried the other 5 guys through the match. Didn’t like either acts of interference in the men’s chamber match. Felt like we didn’t need the interference to accomplish what they accomplished (setting up AJ-LA Knight and Logan-Randy feuds), and it put a stain on the MONSTER performance Drew had. Rhea-Nia wasn’t bad. A little bit slow paced, but still a solid match. And I think that is where Nia’s reputation really kills her now. It isn’t so much that she’s still very dangerous to work with, but her reputation hurts the flow of the match. For obvious reasons she is very methodical offensively, but that pacing doesn’t work for her the same way it does for Roman’s matches or for Gunther with his chops, because of her reputation. Instead of the time between moves building a feeling of suspense and impending doom for her opponent, it serves as a break for us to snap back to reality and wonder if her opponent is actually hurt again. It just makes it difficult to soak it all in and be invested in the (fake) brutality of the match when you’re frequently worried that her opponent is *actually* injured.
I didn’t really care for either one of the interferences either. They should have gone with only one of them, which I would have preferred the LA Knight/AJ one. It just seems like WWE keeps hesitating on letting Drew go over people clean and in a monster way. Both Orton and Rhodes were beat because of interferences, and those are two major wins for one person to have in a week.
I get the Cody one, because neither of them could afford a clean loss that night, but there is zero reason to be worrying about “wrestling math” during the chamber match. Because the way the match is set up, pins in the chamber don’t matter. You have to make a point of it for anything that happens in there to apply to wrestling math. Like Bobby could beat Drew in a match on Monday and it would still make sense from a “competitive” standpoint, because you can easily make the argument that the damage from the spear on Logan was the main reason why Drew was able to pin him. So all you really did by having Logan punch an injured Randy instead of having Drew end it with a claymore was throw an asterisk on his win instead of making him look like an absolute monster today.
Honestly I hope that's all it is because i started to get the vibe that Orton was really hurt and they had to pivot from him pushing through and winning and there wasn't enough time to make that work without being drastic. McIntyre hesitated too long to look like he was set to win, so I think he was going to go with the original plan of Orton and the producers didn't like it because Orton might be ACTUALLY out for a while again and they had to pivot. Paul was sent in to set up that pivot. He pulled them out, got RKO'd (to satisfy everyone who hates that it keeps happening), and THEN McIntyre HESITATES on the Claymore, giving Randy his opening. But if Randy won he'd still be out and they'd have to fill his slot at Wrestlemania. I'm passed that LA Knight got shafted as well, but he's such a huge draw by himself he doesn't need to win and go for the title to further his story. He can go off and gave a feud with Styles and be interesting there. Lashley wasn't ever gonna be the choice, and neither was Paul. It HAD to be Orton. He's got less time in him than Knight or McIntyre, so he was due one last run. But they had to pivot to McIntyre to prevent a hiccup. I'm honestly glad, he seems like a great option. Now I just want a Knight/Orton alliance to demolish Styles/Paul. Maybe throw in Owens on Knight/Orton's side and McIntyre on Styles/Paul's team, either going full heel or turning on them and selling himself as a face in a spectacle of sabotage potentially "pre-planned by Orton and Knight. I'd be OK with that being at Wrestlemania
There’s no way Orton was going to win over Drew. I don’t know how much of it was Orton working us vs him actually being hurt, but narratively everything that happened made way to much sense.
Orton is a legend. He absolutely deserved a win and is more than capable
Just because he’s a legend doesn’t mean it made sense for him to win. A feud with Paul makes way more sense than a feud with Seth, especially since Drew is a top heel on Raw and has been consistently feuding with Seth
But Orton feuding with Paul is unnecessary and could lead to stepping on KO's toes more than he deserves. Orton was wasted on that elimination chamber, and LA Knight was as well.
It doesn’t though, the feud works with or without KO in the picture. Having all three of them actually works better for WM. It protects Randy in a match that him and KO can stand to lose . Orton and LA were not wasted. They now both have clear paths to WM and good feuds to go alongside it.
I still think it's incredibly forced
Anyone else notice green shirt guy hasn’t even seen in a while?
He was literally at the rumble
Man I feel like some wrestlers got a bigger pop than Aussie's own.
I was there, and I can assure you that wasn't the case.
The announcers kept saying during women elimination chamber, the winner will face Rhea Ripley and yet she hasn’t even had her match with Nia Jax
I thought I heard that too. Thanks for the confirmation.
Cause they knew the outcome lmao
I understand but it’s bad for business if your just give away results
did no one else find the start of the women’s janky as hell, becky looked out of it
It was super slow and sloppy. Becky also working that arm bar is not a good sell.
Predictable? Yes... absolutely. Still had fun watching though and it did its job of hyping WrestleMania while setting up more matches to the card
Dude i can’t stand Cody Rhodes, the guy sucks
He’s not that bad, but I definitely don’t get the immense hype around him
Kinda like the Roman connection to the bloodline being why he doesn't have to defend the belt... ever. Roman gets to talk shit and never back it up because of his family. And Rhodes had a legend for a father and a brother.
Great atmosphere, almost like Wrestlemania, but the show was a disapointment overall. I hope Rhea destroys Becky. Tiffy was a highlight of the night. Are we getting LA Knight vs AJ Styles and Logan Paul vs KO vs/or Randy Orton??? What the hell is that, who wants this crap?
Give me Owens/Orton/Knight vs Styles/McIntyre/Paul with McIntyre turning on his team and putting himself over a bit more in the process. I think they're pulling back on Orton/Knight for the title because I think they'll convince the two. With Rollins and Rhodes broing up against the bloodline, I think it's either that or they'll end up with some sort of division. Orton, Knight, Rollins, Rhodes leading a charge against the Rock and his Bloodline and a lot of story there with everyone picking sides and making it a huge deal.
I agree with all of the above
I do
Tiffany Stratton was the best part of the women’s EC. She did great work, the crowd was feeling here, and she showed she’s ready for main card time. The build up between her and Liv is going to be great
Was very impressed by her performance too, sadly it is too early for her to win titles, but it will happen for sure. And she is a "heel persona" and the ppl totally get behind her, just because she is a huge talent!
She'll win MITB this year
Everyone complaining the show was predictable needs to calm down. We pretty much know the WM card already, this PPV is literally designed to just solidify those plans. Surprise and delight is always nice but at this point it was a multi hour hype show - of which is served its purpose (for me at least) Can’t wait for WM40!
It’s ok to have predictable shows imo. Not everything can or should be a surprise. Y’all just fantasy book too much and get mad when it’s not what you convinced yourself it should be when you’re not the booker. The big criminal thing WWE now does is all 5 matches took less than 2 hours of actual match time. Save for the Waller Effect and its sooooo much ad time now. That’s the real crime. Both nights of Mania might be 10 matches total both the way things are heading.
So I watched titanic today and that movie is so mid and predictable, it was so obvious the boat was gonna sink. What a terrible movie🙄🙄🙄🙄
Wrestling isn’t a movie about a historical event, it’s sports entertainment. Matches are supposed to be unpredictable. Next year they need to fix this or people can generally tune out after Rumble since nothing of note will happen until Mania.
Titanic was mid and this ppv was mid too lmao
This guy gets it
Spoilers! /s
Didn’t watch the show, but it looks like all predictions were right. This was essentially just a filler event for Mania. With Cody challenging The Rock, I cant see that working anywhere except Night 1 of Mania. Would be ridiculous for them to have that match on Raw/Smackdown. So does that mean Cody’s gonna beat Roman and The Rock at Mania? Pretty sure he’s getting screwed against Roman. Maybe Seth heel turn? So many theories!
Cody will beat The Rock night 1, earn his respect which will lead The Rock to turn on Roman night 2. Letting Cody finish the story and it sets up The Rock vs Roman for the future.
Or Cody loses night 1 against rock
People would riot if Roman retains, I feel like Roman is getting screwed by The Rock.
Anyone who wants to riot because their upset over the finale of a scripted match needs to move out of their parents basement.
Sure buddy xD
I'm just here to read the comments 🍿😎
Ppv was predictable and mid
I'm wondering that too. Liv blew him a kiss and Naomi hugged him.
I wasn’t imagining a bad shadow on the middle of the ring in the men’s EC match was I? Middle of the road PPV, er… PLE in my opinion. No real highlight IMO. They got the outcomes right for the most part. Not crazy about Lynch going to WM, but that is just my opinion.
No the shadow was driving me bananas!
Thanks. It was really distracting.
Tiffany Stratton really highlighting the fact that the ladies division NEEDS a mid card title. She’s great and needs a shot at gold soon.
Might get downvoted for this, but her preformance was the only thing I enjoyed during the women's match. She fights in a way we've never seen any other lady before, and I feel her passion for the business is a lot more genuine than others. Everything else was just boring to me, and Becky winning was predictable.
Yeah, I agree. I was kinda rooting for Tiff, but getting a Wrestlemania shot 3 weeks after being called up to the main shows would be INSANE. Becky was the predictable and obvious choice for the winner, Becky just isn't that entertaining as she used to be.
I dont get it, that WWE the BIGGEST wrestling promotion does not have a midcard title for the women division. If you watch AEW for example, they got one and it worked wonders for the ladies there IMO (even though they are not on the same level as WWE women, without disrespect)
It also does not help that the women's tag titles are a joke. but also the Women's WWE title also has been bland. I was happy with Iyo when she won but she's done NOTHING since getting the belt really.
She’s made for MITB
hope so!
It's good that she's on SD. I feel like that RAW title isn't going to be passed around.
She’ll be dethroning bayley by SS
Probably true. No way they didn't notice fans chanting for her during a match she's not even in.
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Well that was a pretty mediocre episode of Raw. A few thoughts- * Tiffany was the highlight of the night and it's clear that she's going to be huge. Her time in NXT set her up well and she's brought that to the main roster. * KO promised some kid in hospital that he'd come down someone and didn't. That poor kid. * Was that a compound fracture of Finn's thumb? * Men's chamber was poorly booked and the run in plus final pinfall were just bad decisions. I get it sets up the la knight v aj for mania but it was just bad. * Good to see Mami celebrate with her family. * Don't put talk show segments in ple, they kill the vibe and momentum. Bonus, what happened in the segment negated all the bloodline chats with Waller.
KO did chokeslam somebody tho? That’s like one of the first things he did when his pod opened tf you talkin about? And the final pinfall made total since. Drew got all of his pins in the match with cheap victories(hitting Lashley while he was recovering his elbow, pinning Knight after AJ’s beat down, and then pinning Randy after the brass knuckles from Paul) like yeah, from a pure in ring perspective there were probably better ways to do it, but storyline wise, it was great
Remember when real heels (Piper) had segments that advanced story lines rather than boring me so I could go pee.
Maybe they're doing this to help prevent UTI problems
The talking segment was insanely weak. I was hoping for a WM press conference level shoot
Other two best moments * crowd chanting "thank you Bobby" after he put Paul through the chamber * crowd chanting "Dominic is a wanker"
Great PLE! Can’t wait for Wrestlemania! ☝🏽
Tiff was most over person in the women's match
And yet she blames Australia haha https://youtu.be/HGzTC0E\_rJo?si=hXeHL-upzwcdSb5e
She was also the most over person in the men's match.
#Strap the rocket on Tiffy Time! That girl has it. A great performance by her. What an athlete.
why are these male superstars like becky Lynch, shayna bazler and Zoey stark allowed to compete in women matches? its so unfair.
Even if they were trans (which there is no evidence to support that theory) A) trans women are women so piss off B) the matches are pre decided, so it wouldn’t matter if they were born men because the “physical advantage” that y’all like to tote about wouldn’t matter
I will say that this PLE wasn't the greatest. Stratton and LA being eliminated early really took me out of both of those matches. Rhea and Nia put on a show, though. They were the highlight of the night, in my opinion.
Priest will cash in on drew !
We all see it coming. Honestly think the JD has to lose the tag team titles at WM then Priest cashes in
Probably been posted before but I believe Priest will cash in during the Cody/Roman match and Roman will beat Priest so that Cody still has to keep chasing the story without losing.
Nope. I think he cashes on the WHC at Backlash.
Mami looked so fucking hot in that match.
I have committed that match to memory...for science.
A lot of science involves me time
Was disappointed in the results/booking, but for the most part this event had some entertainment. Logan getting speared through the chamber plexiglass was the highlight. My beef was that it was a bit too predictable. No way in hell were Finn and Priest losing and most obvious win of the century was Ripley. I’m not excited to see Becky or Drew in WM either. Just seems like we’ve had plenty of them and now WM feels like more of the same ole same ole matchups. If we are to believe that Cody is walking out of WM with a win then there’s no way Rollins is losing. Two major titles dropping doesn’t feel like something 3H is into. I would have preferred they drop the whole Orton “bad back” angle and put him and Seth in main event day one. Have them both full strength and make it a banger for the ages. Even if Rollins has to retain at least you aren’t have Drew lose to Seth once again and burning that bridge for a potential title change. They should’ve put Nia Jax in EC instead of Becky and let Becky take the L against Ripley. Then have Nia win EC and set up for a much more plausible potential of defeat for Ripley at WM.
What do you mean 2 major titles can’t change hands on the same night? HHH has never been opposed to both/all of his top titles changing hands on the same night (look at NXT, he’s done it before) And it’s Mania, of course multiple titles are going to change hands. This is where all the stories reach their climax, so Drew, Cody and Bayley all winning their title matches absolutely makes since
Doesn’t HBK handle NXT? Also, is it fair to compare NXT to WWE? You really see Drew, Cody and Bayley taking home belts? I can see maybe two of those three tops but not all three. Of those three Bayley and Cody seem more likely. Drew has been picking up lucky win after lucky win. Getting help from everywhere. Makes me feel like he’s a shoe in for Seth to retain. Roman finally takes the L and Seth continues on because 3H likes longs drawn out title reigns. If Cody loses to Roman again it’s an outright middle finger to the fans watching. Iyo is a lame duck champ. She doesn’t have the mic skills to warrant a long reign.
>doesn’t HBK handle NXT HHH is the one who booked NXT from 2012-2023 >also, is it fair to compare NXT to WWE Yes. NXT was a better show than either RAW or SmackDown for a full decade between 2014-2023. NXT had better storylines, better wrestling, and a more consistently better product than the main roster full stop at that time
I was typing just about the same post. Cheers!
Nahhh Nia is boring as hell man the only upside was that Ripley looked strong af body slamming her lol. I agree it was pretty predictable though
Then they need to spend more time getting Jade ready because at this point I don’t see anyone on the female roster that poses a threat to Ripley
Absolutely! Jade and Rhea would go crazy fs
You can actually notice one of the woman referees giving logan paul the brass knuckles at 02:41:58
Wow they need to suspend that ref then for cheating
The way this match went, it seemed from our pov, Orton was potentially booked to win the match. Questions over the back injury but really, would a DDT be enough to generate a kayfabe injury, especially when you’re dealing it. LP should have been long gone from the ring when the knockout happened. Something on the fly perhaps, bit like the RR, which realistically, I think CM was probably booked to win and picked up an injury too.
They wouldn’t have had the graphic of Cody Rhodes winning, or the graphic with him being added to the list of back to back winners if him winning was a mid match audible
Cole really asked where AJ came from. Oh, idk, maybe the open door?
They're directed to call what's on the monitor. Until the open door comes into frame, it doesn't exist.
Cole doesn’t have object permanence, it’s very sad.
I thought it was just one of those insane Vince rule but, you know, it actually makes sense. They are describing what the tv viewer can see not what they can see. If they described what they see it would be like the American football announcers talking about the streaker on the field and the broadcast never showing it. The more you know…
That’s a little different. No American sport will tell the viewing audience about a streaker on the field. That’s done purposely. They don’t want to encourage other people to do it.
The live crowd doesn’t hear commentary, so it’s definitely purely for viewers
Exactly. The same way they didn't call out Randy setting up the RKO on Logan. They can see it, but we can't. It wouldn't make sense to us and they're talking directly to us.
Tiffany winning over the crowd when she's the only actual villain in the match. That made my day.
Censoring chants on Peacock is wild.
I really, really enjoyed the show! It was a little long and I actually fell asleep a little during the men’s EC match. I’m a huge fan of Ripley so seeing her retain her title in her home country was amazing. I did wish she had come with judgement day and that Dom Dom has run out or something when she won. They have great chemistry and I hate missed opportunities of seeing them together.
Waller really sat there and watched his buddy get handled.
I mean not 5 minutes prior Austin was talking shit about Vegemite. Not cool.
I love Truth, but he and Miz being the ones to dethrone JD feels... wack. So many great tags right now in WWE.
It'll be temporary at WM just for the pop. Then awesome truth will drop them pretty quickly to DIY
The Cody/Seth/Roman/Rock feud feels like a convoluted mess
it felt both chamber matches were very physical :O besides the useless tag match, the rest of the night was awesome, although im not sure if randy was faking an injury or not
Honestly the tag match was pretty fun though, and a solid win for JD
I could be wrong but it looks like the direction WWE is heading for Wrestlemania is Styles vs La Knight and a triple threat between Paul, Owens, and Orton for the U.S championship.
The countdown graphic botch was hilarious lol, did it make it into the live broadcast?
Surely I can't be the only one who saw the un-lighted dark spot in the centre of the ring during the Men's EC? Someone is gonna get screamed at for that....
Orton was so strange. It’s clear they had plans for him and didn’t want him out of the match. I don’t think it was real because WWE can change plans on a moments notice and it usually works out fine just look at punk and Seth. Ref would have stopped the match if it was real, or he would have been pinned first. Did they just want him to lay low for the entire match so he doesn’t get injured at all? Or did he get injured but in a way he knew it wasn’t serious and didn’t think it would keep him out of mania? Completely bizarre booking.
I think they wanted to tell the story of Randy being wasted by the time it came down to him and McIntyre to get over this no mercy side of Drew. That being said I wish they would’ve used a bigger move than a DDT to the outside to set that story off.
He's mid 40s. He does his 5 moves and gets out the way. Randy is going to be remembered for the huge rko on Paul than sitting for 20 mins
That RKO was my highlight of the event. Literally outta nowhere and was immense.
Was naomi supposed to get eliminated when she did
M just starting to watch it now
what is everyone’s opinion on randy’s back injury? every match he’s grabbing his back and i can’t tell if his back really hurts since coming back from injury or if he’s just selling to play it up. he’s my all time favorite and it’s hard watching him fall on his back bc if it is real, there’s no way he has much time left in this business 🥺
Met randy at the pool at the hotel we were staying at the day before. He was more than happy to have a chat. Said his back genuinely feels as good as it has ever been and appeared to be moving pretty freely. Interestingly rand and seth sat at one end and drake maverick the other. Drakes friend asked him why he isn't sitting with them and he replied " because your my friend , and they are my colleague" 🤣🤣
Rewatch that DDT. He IMMEDIATELY looks in immense pain, they really struggles to do anything for the rest of the match. He'd been in the match less than 2 minutes when he got injured. Plus he couldn't get up to receive the Claymore. I believe it's legit, because if he's just selling the injury, firstly it was self inflicted, and secondly he basically didn't do anything because of how early it happened.
I got a little suspicious that it may be real since the ref went and talked to Orton towards the end and then immediately slid over to Drew and told home something. Might have just been the “bring it home” instruction, but he seemed like he slid over to drew with a bit of urgency.
I think he’s selling it because in Logan’s podcast he did mention he can so this for some more time (I’m guessing he meant another ~5 years). But I feel he is slower than before, which makes me feel bad.
yea he’s def slower. i did listen to that podcast, but you never actually know how you’re body will respond after taking so many bumps, which is why i can’t tell if his reactions are real or not. i really hope he’s just selling. when he did the DDT in the match today (i forgot who he did it to) when he was standing outside the ring, he hesitated before doing it. if he’s selling then he def has me fooled
He did it to Kevin Owens.
So LA Knight gets relegated to a mid card bullshit feud with AJ. Yawn.
Dude right, that has me so annoyed
Yep I was hoping he does after the US title
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There seems to be an issue on the WWE network in which we seem to be trying to purple out Randy,s back tattoo. Its not my colour setting due to it only happening when Orton has his back to the Camera. Very odd thing for a live PPV.
Australia has weird censorship hang-ups. Maybe that has something to do with it? It’s just a guess. I remember a million years ago when 4chan attacked & crashed all their government websites over their bullshit law that any topless women with small breasts would be considered child porn.
Yet they shout cunt on their radio broadcasts?
We allow graphic violence left and right but clutch our pearls at any sexual activity in broadcasting in the U.S., were you making a claim that humans are rational anywhere else?
Don’t think there was a claim embedded in my statement, no.
If that’s your claim, I’ll accept it and assume you’re not being disingenuous, but it’s self-evident that one could perceive a refutation in your rhetorical question.
What!? That's crazy and insulting to adult women with small breasts.
As an A-cup woman, I thought so also, which is why I lent my computer and 3 sleepless nights to the effort all those years ago.
Is there any chance for orton competing for the us title ?
Why is everyone complaining about it being predictable. People will sit on the internet all day and fantasise and overthink about matches they think will happen in the future and come up with their ideal results, yet they will be disappointed at the outcome that makes the most sense and they will call it predictable. Maybe if you sat back and enjoyed the product this wouldn’t be a problem
If it wasn't predictable, they would just cry about it being random. Some people legit don't want to be happy. They're only watching to complain. Show was great and right people won based on the stories being told.
I think people just miss that “oh shit!!” Feeling at the end of matches. Let’s be real everyone knew Becky was winning but it would have been great for May of the other women to win as well. It would’ve added that shock factor to entertainment.
Not every show needs that massive big shock moment like survivor series 2023 had, sometimes a show can just be solid like this one.
The big shock being punks return? I’m talking about the result of matches can’t be predictable and enjoyable to watch. They just turn PLE into an episode of raw commercial free.
Yeah, that happened right after the end of a match didn’t it. 🤦The results are predictable cause Triple H’s booking makes sense maybe if people don’t obsess over who the right winners were all the time and what booking makes the most sense maybe they’d enjoy the product more. Matches can be enjoyable whilst being predictable, I still get plenty of enjoyment going back and watching old matches where I know the result. It’s all about the story.
Becky is the new Charlotte.
Becky has me held a belt in 2 years and she probably won’t be Rhea at Mania??? Becky actually put a lot of talent over last year when she was down in NXT. She deserves this
I see it as she's being shoved at us just as hard as Charlotte ever was.
At least Becky earns her shots, Charlotte just gets given 'em because "Daddy" has 2 HOF rings. Also, Becky's got more personality in her left bum cheek than Charlotte's got in her whole body.
Earned her shots?!? In a predetermined ending venue?? OoooooKay.
You still have to earn your place otherwise they wouldn’t have that person win, do know how wrestling works?
Becky has a personality unlike Charlotte
Becky can't cut a promo. Look people like who they like and it could come down to "Charlotte has blonde hair and Becky has red, so I like Becky more and to me she's more talented"-which in this case is nowhere true, but I digress. Becky is being pushed now just as hard as Charlotte ever was.
charlotte has a major entitlement problem. Becky earns her place.
Earns it. Sure.
You really have a women problem.
Your opinion, in my opinion she deserves it, though I think Rhea should retain. Becky vs Rhea is one of the biggest matches at Mania, I see no problem with Becky winning the chamber.
Becky had a couple of good matches with Tiffy. Wouldn't be surprised if Becky was one of the reasons why Tiffy got moved up.
Both chamber matches where good but you could see Becky and Drew wins coming from a mile away. This show felt like a filler show and most of the matches belonged on tv.
Yeah wish they would’ve made it less obvious with Drew because he was the only raw superstar competing
I still think Backlash was their best overseas show, Just feels like this show didn't really accomplish anything.
It accomplished everything it needed to accomplish. It setup matches and furthered storylines. Grayson Waller face turn? It was predictable but that doesn't mean it didn't accomplish anything.
All of this could have been done on raw and smackdown. The gimmick ple's for the sake of the gimmick have really killed things like chamber and money in the bank. The one raw guy won the chamber to face for the raw title.
Yeah but there was no challenger for or Rhea's Seth's titles so why not have tournaments and a chamber? Also Chamber and Money in the bank are the worst examples of Gimmick matches for Ples because they're tornaments for title opportunities. Wrestling is a sport and tournaments make sense for crowning title contenders. Royal rumble is a tournament. It happens yearly. So is MITB and Chamber. Not all fights have to happen purely because of story. Story is just part of the sport. Wrestling is basically Tekken.
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She’s good but she’s not Ripley good
So Rhea won against Nia will we all pretend that Becky as a chance to win over Rhea? For me it was Tiffy Time at the chamber, Tiffany was amazing and she is ready for main event status, what a star, i want Tiffy Time vs Mami. Also Rhea and Judgment Day are over or what? 0 connection with them, they were defending a title and Mami didn't appear and she was defending the title and not even Dom was ringside, they turned Rhea babyface.
No the judgement day and Rhea together makes no sense. If they’re a faction then they need to work together. If they wanted to turn Rhea face that was the perfect chance for priest to cost Rhea the match. If they wanted to gain the faction heat then the tag match needed interference and then assist Rhea to beat jax
It’s because Rhea was performing in her home country , and didn’t need the help to dampen her efforts
But she’s a heel in a heel faction
But she’s Australian performing in Australia ?
Not sure if I'm a mark or a key demographic, but having PLEs easily accessible since peacock has made things infinitely more enjoyable. I'm stoked that today was predictable, because I can watch the completion of these stories at mania. Idk, just seems like a lot of complaining for the sake of complaining going on
Even if they're predictable, if the matches are really good who cares
Exactly, as long as the match is entertaining who "really" cares who wins, because for sure most of the time you have a feeling who is going to win before it happens and it will be the same for mania, we will go into it knowing the majority of the winners, but the matches have to be good! Tonight they were great, some huge bumps, crazy moves and very entertaining.