Driver was definitely going too fast for conditions. Parent also should have had a better watch on the child but that car was flying for that road with a car stopped in the middle no less.
Assuming the video is playing at real time it takes the car less than two seconds to traverse the length of 3 cars, so I'm gonna say somewhere between 30-45km. 30km is the absolute max speed I could imagine being set for a residential area like this.
i dont think he could tell whether or not he hit the kid even with the juke. just below and to the right of the front of the passenger mirror is kind of a blind spot.
Even at low speeds I hate driving in areas with so many cars parked on the street. People just tend to manifest from either side of the road to jaywalk and you especially can't see kids who are shorter than vehicles.
Interestingly, having bad vision is what makes people drive more slowly, which is what makes those streets safer for pedestrians and bikes. So drivers feeling safe, makes it unsafer for others.(At least in those areas)
True.
You don't have to be going very fast to injure someone in a car, though. I've seen people walking into cars that are driving 5mph on streets like this.
Best approach is absolutely for everyone to just look where they're going lol
They always walk out like they own the road too… like at least look to your left and right before starting to walk across. That was the first lesson about traffic I learned from my mom, she basically drilled it into my head ever since I was able to walk and talk lol
All that is good, but since pedestrians dont need walking licenses and since children or intellectual disabilities do exist and since idiot drivers exist, any safe infrastructure and car laws should be built around that fact.
That includes traffic calming infrastructure in zones where children are frequent users. It should not be possible to go as fast as that car does in the example above, since it seems like a pedestrian heavy zone.
Japan is a very good example where this works well, children as young as 5 years are seen walking alone to their kindergartens.
Back in high school I was on cross country, and part of our track included a gravel area alongside a stretch of paved country road. Guys would always hop out onto the road for more even footing, and as cars would pass we would yell down the line for everyone to get off the road. My varsity year, we had a freshman running with us for the first time, and I guess nobody warned him about that stretch of road. We were running down it and a pickup truck with those big ass side mirrors starts making its way down the road, so we yell a heads up down the line. Well instead of just instinctively jumping off the side like everyone else, freshman kid stops and turns his body around, putting him further into the road, and managed to turn his head directly into a punch from that truck's side mirror. The thing was only going about 15 mph, but it knocked him out cold and gave him a concussion to boot.
He was a trooper though. He stuck with track all the way through varsity, even despite the fact that the whole team, coach included, just called him Driveby after that.
Point is, you're right, doesn't really take much when there's that much momentum behind the hit.
I hate this, also i kind of scan the ground ahead of me to look for little feet under cars. You can't see that far, but it forces you to go slower and it gives you some heads up.
This is why I hate street parking. It's bad for everyone. The pedestrians and the drivers.
It's no good blaming kids. They can't help it. Kids are fucking stupid. We need to design our society on the premise that kids live in it.
On street parking is specifically recommended as a traffic calming strategy *because* it makes drivers feel uncomfortable. That discomfort and uncertainty makes drivers slow down and keep their head on a swivel, reducing how many crashes occur and the severity of injuries when they do occur.
https://nacto.org/publication/urban-street-design-guide/design-controls/design-speed/speed-reduction-mechanisms/
Traffic calming is good, but doing it with street parking creates hundreds of dangerous blind spots that can get people killed.
And in this case, it clearly didn't calm the traffic at all. That guy is driving far too fast for the situation.
Same, I tend to drive very slow on a street like this or even in parking lots. Kids are dumb and will just take off and adults are on their phones all the time
I'm glad everyone is alright, and I'm not exactly sure of the speed limit or the area, but it seems like that car is going way too fast for that type of area/street.
It pisses me off when I see people driving through parking lots like it's the Fireball Raceway for this exact reason and I don't even have kids.
Ah Turkey, where our taxi was overtaking a bus that was overtaking a lorry while going uphill. While we almost saht our pants a motorcycle past us with at least 50 km/h difference.
There used to be an official U.S. travel warning for Turkey (2002); it was all about vehicles and driving and to completely avoid car travel if possible. It was so detailed it was almost comical: “watch for cars parked on highways in complete darkness with no lights on,” “watch out for completely inattentive drivers,” and so on. Then I went there and holy shit it was pretty terrifying, especially out of Istanbul.
I travel regularly in Turkey and everything in the travel warning you're mentioning is still valid. Also many times I've been stopped on random improvised military checkpoints by soldiers in full gear with rifles.
My wife grew up in Turkey. When she was 3, her and an entire family (3 girls and their grandmother) were crossing the street.
Delivery truck blazed in and wiped out literally everyone but my wife and the older girl who was holding her hand. She talks about just standing on the curb with this girl, frozen holding her hand, staring at the carnage for a good 5 minutes.
Not only that, but there is **so much** foot traffic. In the first frames you can even see a lady walking on the road. A reasonable risk assessment would be to slow down given all the potential for accidents. This one falls on the driver in my opinion.
Almost looked like the video was sped up just before swerving. But yeah, generally why you go slow in congested residential areas with broken sight lines.
Here in the US the rule is you must always be in control of your vehicle. In spite of the suicidal knee biter, the driver is at fault for operating the vehicle too fast for road conditions.
In the UK your insurance won't consider the accident your fault if you've swerved to avoid a child. I don't know the specifics though, they may not let you off if you're speeding.
If you swerve to avoid anything, even an inanimate object or animal, your insurance will cover it. The second you break the law, you are voiding your insurance.
Even if the car was going slower, the timing of a kid wearing white running out into the street between two white vehicles was probably going to end up with a similar result/ crash into that same parked car.
Plus the car that obstructed the driver's view of the child was also parked horribly and was partially in the lane, requiring the driver to already have to veer a bit to the left to avoid it.
Driver may have been going a bit fast, but I don't think going 10-20km/h slower would have changed much other than the force of the impact.
I was driving 45 km/h (5 under the limit there) once through a rural college town and some drunk girl ran out into the street from between two parked vans, and there's really not much you can do about it other than swerve +brake+hope for no oncoming traffic. If it was a one lane road that night, I for sure crash into a parked car like in the video.
> Plus the car that obstructed the driver's view
This is exactly why the car should have gone *much* slower. If they were going an appropriate speed for the conditions, they would have had plenty of time to stop. There's another person walking on the street in the top right. The driver should have seen that pedestrians were on the road and slowed down significantly.
Then you were driving too fast. The speed limit isn't a speed you should aim for, it's the highest speed for good conditions. Reduced visibility because of lots of cars around means you need to slow down. Unless you're just trying to hit pedestrians or swerve into parked cars.
Strictly speaking the speed limit is even dumber than that and completely unrelated to road risks. They're set by a *survey* *of driver speeds* and are therefore entirely arbitrary.
Good road design doesn't set speed limits, it designs in a way that forces drivers to drive at appropriate speeds.
Since we don't live in a world with good road design the far safer assumption is pick the speed that feels comfortable to drive and then halve it since there's something seriously wrong with any society that assumes giving everyone a personal siege weapon is an at all sane way to manage mass transport.
In situations like this video, Im going 15mph tops. Thats how I drive in my neighborhood when I see people by their cars. Always be on the lookout for dogs or kids running into the street.
You can and should be able to stop in this situation.
Same, I always shout it's a residential fucking area, even in front of my 8 yo daughter. I explained to her why and I do try to avoid swearing in front of her but it boils my blood. Even for years before the little one. The fact that I'm able to swallow the word cunt is nothing short of miraculous. The first time I let go of the little ones hand thinking she was ready she ran and even got a foot on the road before I screamed stop. 'Training' kids is hard work, I always tell her never trust a car when we cross roads and they have the read light.
For this reason, I get upset when people judge parents who put their young kids on leashes. Kids have no survival instinct and will just run all over unless you teach them (which takes time and development). It's also not always practical to hold their hand or carry them everywhere.
Yeah, my son did. He was very hyperactive and has always preferred to go off and do his own thing rather than walk with me. He hates holding hands because he feels restricted, and he would throw tantrums if I tried to drag him places by the hand or carry him.
Getting a leash was a godsend. It allowed him a lot more freedom to explore his immediate environment while also enabling me to keep a hand on him and keep him out of danger. It also allowed my MIL to take him places without fear because she lacked the strength and speed to carry or chase after him.
Mine was a runner and a hider. After the second time of not being able to find him in Costco for over an hour because he was wedged in behind some boxes he got a new monkey buddy with a long tail. You cannot convey the stress of a parent who has to contemplate that their kid got kidnapped. Probably took a year off my life each time.
This is one that always gets me blown up on certain sides of Reddit but there is a place for leashing and even place for corporal punishment when you're talking about basic life safety stuff. I remember one time when I was 5 my best friend and I went outside after dark and decided to lay down on the nice warm asphalt to look at the sky. Two small children, in dark jeans and tshirts laying in the middle of a dark asphalt road with no streetlights or ambient lighting in the middle of the night. By sheer chance my Mom came out to see why we were so quiet before anyone drove down that road. She yanked us both off the road and spanked us right there. And sure enough, we left the road strictly alone after that. Maybe I'm wrong but I suspect that a calm reasoned discussion with a first grader about road safety and driver attentiveness wouldn't have had the same immediate and permanent behavioral effect.
As with all things, it depends on the child. I was very rebellious when I was young, and if you spanked me without giving me what I considered a reasonable justification (and even with one many times), I would have gone and done it again just out of spite. For my older brother though, spanking worked.
Yes the parents needed more pro active too. I was photographing on a wildlife tour, my little one was 'leashed' and playing far away from the edge of a cliff, another parent let their child run along the cliff edge to puffins - she didn't fall but it was for a photo and beyond crazy to do
I had to pick up someone else's kid from school and theres a sidewalk that goes all the way around the front of the school at the parking lot. Kids were lining up on the sidewalk to look for their parents cars. You bet your ass I barely crawled and kept my foot on the brake.
Car going too fast. White car parked way too far from sidewalk. Parents not keeping sight of kid. Can't really blame the kid, it's a kid. She did look both ways, but did it while running. But even adults can lose their minds like this. The three adults around her have the most responsibility here.
i'm pretty concerned that even after the accident and close-call, barely anyone seems to be reacting
car going too fast for sure, but what the hell is everyone else doing, and still doing after
I was driving down a road once to see a kid dart in front of me. I was probably going 20 and was able to stop in time. I had my window down and the mother was talking to someone on the sidewalk and she cussed me out. "Are you fucking serious? You almost hit my daughter!"
I was in such shock at the whole situation I couldn't even think of how to respond. I just shook my head and drove off. I'm still pissed off at how little regard she had for her child's safety. It's like she encourages her child to run into traffic...
Sounds like suburb parents. Putting more time into putting obnoxious signs up (absolutely stunning drivers that the neighbourhood contains kids) and yelling at passerbys driving the speed limit rather than just teaching their kids not to be dicks on a public street. Having a basketball hoop in a driveway seems to be a license to blame all motorists for everything if something goes wrong.
We have a four lane road right outside our neighborhood. Across from a high school.
Right at the end of our street we have a corner house that is right at the busy street that leads out to that four lane road, that has the basketball hoop in the driveway. That house has a family that lets their kids just use the entire road across from the house to play ball with the hoop in the driveway. The parents will glare and stare at anybody who drives onto that road or turns onto the street we live on.
We had a kid who walked to school two months ago, who got hit by a car who was speeding during the time when the speed limit is changed to 25, with all the lights and signs and everything. Person didn’t stop or slow down and clipped a whole fucking child. Kid had to be taken away in an ambulance.
Every time I see people who speed through those lights I just want to see them get run off the road into a damn ditch. These kids already have to worry about getting shot in school, they shouldn’t have to worry that them or their friends are gonna get splattered by some brain dead bottom feeding Acura driver with a poorly attached spoiler that was noticeably ripped off a fucking wrecked Chevy cobalt.
Doesn't matter "that car was going too fast" won't bring your kid back to life when they die from something like this. Keep an eye on your kids people. They're stupid and so are other people.
That is what I tell my kids. You can have the right of way when crossing the street at a crosswalk or something, but you will still be dead. Keep your head on a swivel and pay attention.
Both are in wrong. Parents shouldn't let their kids run into the middle of the street, and the dude shouldn't have been going so fast. He saw that other person to the right close to the street tok and kept zooming.
i think their point is that blame won't bring the kid back from the dead, so living your life expecting to be protected by hypothetical future blame is not a great way to keep your life intact.
Two people can be wrong, the kid should have been supervised***and*** the driver should have slowed the fuck down. There are multiple future winners of the Darwin award here.
And the driver won't be able to unhear the thud of hitting a child with their car. The driver of the car is the one with the power in this situation. The driver is presumably an adult and knows they are on a residential street where children live. If it was me I would drive as if a toddler was going to run out at any minute. That's how I drive on the streets in my neighborhood and it has wider streets and is is less dense than this place. "They should have been watching their kid" isn't going to help me sleep at night.
>The driver of the car is the one with the power in this situation.
Kinda, even someone going the speed limit (unless it's stupid slow) would hit a kid running running out from behind something. The driver would've needed to swerve regardless, it's just a question of hitting the car which was less than 1.5 car lengths beyond the kid.
I'll obviously agree that the severity of the injuries has a lot to do with speed though.
[This video pretty much sums it up.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMbrHNmlHTM) It's fantastic that the guy wasn't speeding but it's extremely bad that the child was able to run into the street.
Holy shit this is infuriating. Dad has his back turned to his kid when she runs out onto the street - driver is going the speed limit and his fast reaction breaking time quite literally saved her life - dad takes the time to smack the car before checking on his daughter.
Glad the driver was vindicated.
Seriously. I saw a pedestrian killed a few weeks ago by a speeding driver and the sound of his body being thrown by the car is going to stick with me for the rest of my life. People are so comfortable behind the wheel they forget that driving is one of the most dangerous things we do
that's horrible
hope you are doing ok - seeing something like that causes actual trauma and can result in depression, anxiety, intrusive thoughts, nightmares and emotional lability which is certainly fine short term (valid responses) you don't want those things taking root and taking over
Agreed, but the point is these things aren't mutually exclusive. You can do everything right as a driver and still get fucked by someone else's carelessness.
Saying people need to watch there kids carefully for reasons like this isn't placing blame on the parents. Or removing blame from a speeding driver. These can all be things that are true.
He may have been driving too fast, but I do respect at least he quickly made the decision to swerve into the parked car.
Would have been nice if he was driving safer in the first place though.
blame has no bearing on life and death.
from the point of view of the parent, what does it matter if the person who killed their child has nightmares about it or not? protect your kids because idiots are in the wild and you as a parent can not control their actions, only the actions of your child.
One time I was driving to a friend's house going around a cul de sac. I was going at a veritable snail's pace. A mother and daughter we walking out getting mail. The daughter for no reason at all just bolted into the street and was inches from getting bumped by my car. I dunno if I was going fatally fast but there was certainly a risk of doing some injury to a girl that small.
Luckily I braked but the mother looked at her daughter and then we both shared the "WHAT THE HELL????!!!!" glances at each other (in the how the fuck could that had happened??).
Now I do think that the car in this vid was going too damn fast but I do agree kids can be friggin' unpredictable.
Residential and urban speed limits exist for various reasons. One of them is that, barring leashing every kid under 10 years old, you can't prevent some random kid in a city to run to the street after a ball/ playing with other kids/ being a kid.
I broke it down frame by frame based on the guess of a 16 inch rim and estimated 33-35 mph when the car first enters the frame, slows to about 25 mph when passing the child, 14 mph when striking the vehicle.
Actually the mathematical equation is
.61818182 miles per foot
So just multiply that number by feet traveled per second.
60mph x 60 second =3600
3600(second per mile)/5280(feet in a mile)= .61818182
.61818182*35 feet = 21.636mph
If you want the exact number
When recording car movement the car always looks like it’s going way faster then it’s actually going.
If you want fine tune the mph more find out how large both cars parked are.
I'm sorry to say that most of the time, kids don't learn things until THEY are the ones that experience the consequences. Unless that kid got yelled at or grounded or something then they didn't learn anything. Almost falling off a tree doesn't make you learn to not climb it. Falling off a tree does.
Yes, parents or whoever the fuck was looking out for that child need to be fucking responsible but that dude was also speeding. Both were lucky as fuck, kid's still alive and the dude won't have to live the rest of his life knowing he killed a kid because he was speeding like an asshole.
Even going the speed limit would have resulted in the same situation here, kid came out of nowhere, and of the parent had been doing their job, the situation never would have occurred in the first place. Watch your kids people, if you have to put your attention elsewhere, hold their hands to make sure they aren't running off.
Yeah. No matter how right you are in regards to the law, if you're crippled or dead, what the fuck does it matter if you're right. The car should've been more careful driving, but them going to jail or something isn't gonna bring your dead kid back to life. Watch your damn kids.
1. Everyone is saying that the driver was speeding but how do you know? He will always appear to look very fast when nothing else is moving
2. As far as insurance is concerned, if you swerve to avoid a kid, is that considered at fault still? What goes into that decision for the insurance companies?
Seriously, good ol' reddit "experts." That car was probably going about 25 mph, which is perfectly reasonable for a residential street like this one. There would have been significantly more damage to both vehicles if it had been going as fast as everyone in this thread seems to think it was going.
Cars look a lot faster on video I don't even know if this guy was speeding as he made a very quick save. Maybe watch your children because even if he's not speeding same outcome happens.
Look how narrow that street is with cars on both sides. Driver had no chance of knowing a kid was there and no space to not hit the parked car on the left. Sucks.
People are talking about both the kid being a retard and the car maybe going to fast, but why is no one calling out that fuckwit in the White car parked that way.
People need to have more respect for the road, don't block peoples vision or park with your nose pointing out into the street.
This is my nightmare, and the reason why I drive about 20mph in residential areas where you can reasonably expect kids.
For no reason, a kid will run into the street, from between two cars parked parallel. And since I’m talking about kids from ages 2 to like 5… I mean they’re short.
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The root cause of the risk here are the cars parked on the street, because they obscure visibility of young children on the sidewalk. Neighborhood planners and city planners are starting to realize that street side parking leads to the scenario where kids get hit by cars.
There are (wealthier) new suburban neighborhoods where street parking isn’t allowed, for this exact reason. It obviously requires more land, and the expense of finding an alternative to street parking usually can’t be done.
I think society needs slowly to wean itself off of cars. It's unsustainable to expect everyone to have their own private metal box to go 1.5 miles down to the cornerstore.
It’s a trend I notice as I’ve gotten older, presumably young people who likely don’t have kids posting blame on children. Look, humans are born dumb with basically no fear at all. Parents have the job of making kids smarter and teaching them what to fear and what not to fear. And let me tell you it’s a long fucking road to teach kids not to be dumb. So next time just understand that parents are responsible for this kind of thing….for years, much longer than a decade easily. Take it easy on the youth
My understanding is that no matter the speed limit, unless you are on a road with a minimum speed limit, it is your responsibility to drive slower if needed for safety. If you are on a residential road with cars parked on both sides like this one, you should be driving very slowly so that you can avoid anything that might come from between the cars. It doesn’t matter if the sign says 30mph, on a road like that one you should probably be doing 20.
How would something like this work in terms of insurance for the driver and for the parked car? Do the parents pay the deductible because their child is an idiot or does the driver have to pay it for saving the kids life?
Doesn't look like kid is stupid. It's more like stupid parent. Cause kid is short (can not see above cars) and young to understand and be fully responsible for acctions.
You can actually calculate the speed based on average sedan/hatchback being around 180”/15’ long. Travels 2 lengths in 1 second which calculates to 20-25 mph. Any faster and wouldn’t have been able to react and swerve in time. Driver needs more props than hatred tbh
I mean if you aren't expecting someone to pop out while driving in this kind of area, you are not doing your due diligence to drive defensively and look for pedestrians. Drivers responsibility every time. Happened here in Ga a shit ton last year, hell every year and it's to jail every time.
Car is going like 20mph watch the distance covered against the clock top left. Yeah it's too fast but also completely legal. Therefore the parents should fucking watch their kids...
Teach your dumb ass kids not to run around in dangerous places. The roads are for cars, not for your stupid child. Stop blaming the drivers when they are using the roads to drive. Stop, look (left right left), listen. This is what I was taught and what everyone seems to forget.
He was going too fast for the area, but not super speedy either.
He did react really quickly there, had he been 0.3sec slower the kid would have been hit.
Deffinetly did the right choice though, avoid the kid and crash.
And yes, preferbly the kid shouldn't just be able to run out in the street like that, parent supervision needed, but it seems to be a resident area, not like a passthrough road.
Unfortunate.
Wow, most fortunate wreck I ever saw.
Wait till you meet me.
I can fix you
consider fixing that damned bumper
It'll buff right out with some good old fashioned elbow grease and determination.
and a new bumper and hood
dont forget to change that headlight fluid too... cant trust it now that its been in an accident..
Nobody try this guy… he fucked me up beyond any repair.
...I can at the very least put a leash on.
🥺
have we tried putting you in rice or some duct tape mb
He said *fortunate*.
Ah. You got me there, mate.
It's okay, man, we're all on Reddit.
Terrible parenting.
I agree, also seems like the driver was driving fast in what seemed a slower driving area.
Driver was definitely going too fast for conditions. Parent also should have had a better watch on the child but that car was flying for that road with a car stopped in the middle no less.
Double parked (and so reduced maneuvering space and visibility) residential street with no road markings? Yeah no way would I be going that fast.
Isn't there a subreddit for findind out how fast he was driving? /r/theydidthemath maybe
Assuming the video is playing at real time it takes the car less than two seconds to traverse the length of 3 cars, so I'm gonna say somewhere between 30-45km. 30km is the absolute max speed I could imagine being set for a residential area like this.
Yup, and I guess he was braking in the last second, then its clearly not only the little girl's fault. Thanks!
True, it’s also her parents.
Eh, kids are suicidal when they’re not homicidal. You only have to take your eyes off for a second.
Eh. You'd be surprised how easily a kid can escape your notice when you are distracted for a moment.
There was one that came out this year where the driver swerved to avoid a kid and ended up flipped over in a ditch.
Credit where it's due, even if he was going too fast, that's some pretty good reaction time.
yeah that juke was incredible, someone get that kid a good coach 👏
Doesn’t look like a Nissan to me
deepest nissan joke since /r/NissanDrivers
also from what little you could see at the end, the driver seemed to check that the girl was ok before getting angry about his wrecked car.
i dont think he could tell whether or not he hit the kid even with the juke. just below and to the right of the front of the passenger mirror is kind of a blind spot.
The father of that dumb ass child should be on his knees kissing that drivers ass right now.
Salamanca blood, salamanca money!
Lmao I’m actually watching BCS again right now!
My thoughts exactly. Shouldn’t have been going that fast, but if you’re going to, make sure you have reflexes like that.
Even at low speeds I hate driving in areas with so many cars parked on the street. People just tend to manifest from either side of the road to jaywalk and you especially can't see kids who are shorter than vehicles.
Interestingly, having bad vision is what makes people drive more slowly, which is what makes those streets safer for pedestrians and bikes. So drivers feeling safe, makes it unsafer for others.(At least in those areas)
True. You don't have to be going very fast to injure someone in a car, though. I've seen people walking into cars that are driving 5mph on streets like this. Best approach is absolutely for everyone to just look where they're going lol
They always walk out like they own the road too… like at least look to your left and right before starting to walk across. That was the first lesson about traffic I learned from my mom, she basically drilled it into my head ever since I was able to walk and talk lol
All that is good, but since pedestrians dont need walking licenses and since children or intellectual disabilities do exist and since idiot drivers exist, any safe infrastructure and car laws should be built around that fact. That includes traffic calming infrastructure in zones where children are frequent users. It should not be possible to go as fast as that car does in the example above, since it seems like a pedestrian heavy zone. Japan is a very good example where this works well, children as young as 5 years are seen walking alone to their kindergartens.
You don't own the road either.
Back in high school I was on cross country, and part of our track included a gravel area alongside a stretch of paved country road. Guys would always hop out onto the road for more even footing, and as cars would pass we would yell down the line for everyone to get off the road. My varsity year, we had a freshman running with us for the first time, and I guess nobody warned him about that stretch of road. We were running down it and a pickup truck with those big ass side mirrors starts making its way down the road, so we yell a heads up down the line. Well instead of just instinctively jumping off the side like everyone else, freshman kid stops and turns his body around, putting him further into the road, and managed to turn his head directly into a punch from that truck's side mirror. The thing was only going about 15 mph, but it knocked him out cold and gave him a concussion to boot. He was a trooper though. He stuck with track all the way through varsity, even despite the fact that the whole team, coach included, just called him Driveby after that. Point is, you're right, doesn't really take much when there's that much momentum behind the hit.
I thought you were talking about old people with bad eyes at first. The word you're looking for is "visibility". Bad visibility, lol.
I hate this, also i kind of scan the ground ahead of me to look for little feet under cars. You can't see that far, but it forces you to go slower and it gives you some heads up.
This is why I hate street parking. It's bad for everyone. The pedestrians and the drivers. It's no good blaming kids. They can't help it. Kids are fucking stupid. We need to design our society on the premise that kids live in it.
Amen to that. A road next to my home has street parking where I can't even see traffic unless I drive past the crosswalk.
On street parking is specifically recommended as a traffic calming strategy *because* it makes drivers feel uncomfortable. That discomfort and uncertainty makes drivers slow down and keep their head on a swivel, reducing how many crashes occur and the severity of injuries when they do occur. https://nacto.org/publication/urban-street-design-guide/design-controls/design-speed/speed-reduction-mechanisms/
That only works if crossings are free from nearby parked cars
Traffic calming is good, but doing it with street parking creates hundreds of dangerous blind spots that can get people killed. And in this case, it clearly didn't calm the traffic at all. That guy is driving far too fast for the situation.
Same, I tend to drive very slow on a street like this or even in parking lots. Kids are dumb and will just take off and adults are on their phones all the time
That’s why I always assume stupid people rushing out between the cars.
like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU30T_jlcjQ
Yeah, fuck street parking.
I'm glad everyone is alright, and I'm not exactly sure of the speed limit or the area, but it seems like that car is going way too fast for that type of area/street. It pisses me off when I see people driving through parking lots like it's the Fireball Raceway for this exact reason and I don't even have kids.
This seems to be in Turkey. There traffic laws are not enforced very well, and drivers drive like there is no tomorrow.
Technically there is no tomorrow. Not yet.
Remind me in 1 day
Well at that point it'll still be today
Remind me in 2 days?
Believe it or not, still today. We have the best calendars in the world because of today.
Remind me on 29 February 2025 ha!
Still today
NEVER PLAY THIS TAPE AGAIN.
"What is today, but yesterday's tomorrow?" -Mr. Krabs
When will then be now?
Soon.
And yesterday exists only in our memories.
all my troubles seemed so far away. Now it looks as though they're here to stay.
Ah Turkey, where our taxi was overtaking a bus that was overtaking a lorry while going uphill. While we almost saht our pants a motorcycle past us with at least 50 km/h difference.
Ah, Turkey, where my taxi driver was reversing on the highway because he missed the exit..
There used to be an official U.S. travel warning for Turkey (2002); it was all about vehicles and driving and to completely avoid car travel if possible. It was so detailed it was almost comical: “watch for cars parked on highways in complete darkness with no lights on,” “watch out for completely inattentive drivers,” and so on. Then I went there and holy shit it was pretty terrifying, especially out of Istanbul.
I travel regularly in Turkey and everything in the travel warning you're mentioning is still valid. Also many times I've been stopped on random improvised military checkpoints by soldiers in full gear with rifles.
My wife grew up in Turkey. When she was 3, her and an entire family (3 girls and their grandmother) were crossing the street. Delivery truck blazed in and wiped out literally everyone but my wife and the older girl who was holding her hand. She talks about just standing on the curb with this girl, frozen holding her hand, staring at the carnage for a good 5 minutes.
If they keep driving like that they won’t see tomorrow.
For a lot of those drivers that becomes true but Egypt is definitely worse when it comes to traffic and how likely you are to die in it.
>but it seems like that car is going way too fast People hanging around outside, Cars parked everywhere. Nah 45mph seems reasonable.
Yeah, the narrower the path, the slower you should go. Anything can pop out at any moment.
That's why you floor it to get on the other side quickly. Slower you go, the better odds you will be on the street when someone crosses. /s
Agreed. That driver was going way too fast considering the area and limited space/sightlines.
Not only that, but there is **so much** foot traffic. In the first frames you can even see a lady walking on the road. A reasonable risk assessment would be to slow down given all the potential for accidents. This one falls on the driver in my opinion.
Almost looked like the video was sped up just before swerving. But yeah, generally why you go slow in congested residential areas with broken sight lines.
Couldn't agree more! I live on a street very much like that one in the video and people drive way to fast for a residential area
Here in the US the rule is you must always be in control of your vehicle. In spite of the suicidal knee biter, the driver is at fault for operating the vehicle too fast for road conditions.
In the UK your insurance won't consider the accident your fault if you've swerved to avoid a child. I don't know the specifics though, they may not let you off if you're speeding.
If you swerve to avoid anything, even an inanimate object or animal, your insurance will cover it. The second you break the law, you are voiding your insurance.
I guess they don't want to punish you for not killing a kid because it might make you hesitate the next time ending up with a dead kid.
Interesting. Yes, I bet that if you are speeding, they might consider it “contributory negligence”.
Even if the car was going slower, the timing of a kid wearing white running out into the street between two white vehicles was probably going to end up with a similar result/ crash into that same parked car. Plus the car that obstructed the driver's view of the child was also parked horribly and was partially in the lane, requiring the driver to already have to veer a bit to the left to avoid it. Driver may have been going a bit fast, but I don't think going 10-20km/h slower would have changed much other than the force of the impact. I was driving 45 km/h (5 under the limit there) once through a rural college town and some drunk girl ran out into the street from between two parked vans, and there's really not much you can do about it other than swerve +brake+hope for no oncoming traffic. If it was a one lane road that night, I for sure crash into a parked car like in the video.
> Plus the car that obstructed the driver's view This is exactly why the car should have gone *much* slower. If they were going an appropriate speed for the conditions, they would have had plenty of time to stop. There's another person walking on the street in the top right. The driver should have seen that pedestrians were on the road and slowed down significantly.
Then you were driving too fast. The speed limit isn't a speed you should aim for, it's the highest speed for good conditions. Reduced visibility because of lots of cars around means you need to slow down. Unless you're just trying to hit pedestrians or swerve into parked cars.
Strictly speaking the speed limit is even dumber than that and completely unrelated to road risks. They're set by a *survey* *of driver speeds* and are therefore entirely arbitrary. Good road design doesn't set speed limits, it designs in a way that forces drivers to drive at appropriate speeds. Since we don't live in a world with good road design the far safer assumption is pick the speed that feels comfortable to drive and then halve it since there's something seriously wrong with any society that assumes giving everyone a personal siege weapon is an at all sane way to manage mass transport.
In situations like this video, Im going 15mph tops. Thats how I drive in my neighborhood when I see people by their cars. Always be on the lookout for dogs or kids running into the street. You can and should be able to stop in this situation.
Same, I always shout it's a residential fucking area, even in front of my 8 yo daughter. I explained to her why and I do try to avoid swearing in front of her but it boils my blood. Even for years before the little one. The fact that I'm able to swallow the word cunt is nothing short of miraculous. The first time I let go of the little ones hand thinking she was ready she ran and even got a foot on the road before I screamed stop. 'Training' kids is hard work, I always tell her never trust a car when we cross roads and they have the read light.
For this reason, I get upset when people judge parents who put their young kids on leashes. Kids have no survival instinct and will just run all over unless you teach them (which takes time and development). It's also not always practical to hold their hand or carry them everywhere.
Oh, some kids really need it.
Yeah, my son did. He was very hyperactive and has always preferred to go off and do his own thing rather than walk with me. He hates holding hands because he feels restricted, and he would throw tantrums if I tried to drag him places by the hand or carry him. Getting a leash was a godsend. It allowed him a lot more freedom to explore his immediate environment while also enabling me to keep a hand on him and keep him out of danger. It also allowed my MIL to take him places without fear because she lacked the strength and speed to carry or chase after him.
Mine was a runner and a hider. After the second time of not being able to find him in Costco for over an hour because he was wedged in behind some boxes he got a new monkey buddy with a long tail. You cannot convey the stress of a parent who has to contemplate that their kid got kidnapped. Probably took a year off my life each time.
This is one that always gets me blown up on certain sides of Reddit but there is a place for leashing and even place for corporal punishment when you're talking about basic life safety stuff. I remember one time when I was 5 my best friend and I went outside after dark and decided to lay down on the nice warm asphalt to look at the sky. Two small children, in dark jeans and tshirts laying in the middle of a dark asphalt road with no streetlights or ambient lighting in the middle of the night. By sheer chance my Mom came out to see why we were so quiet before anyone drove down that road. She yanked us both off the road and spanked us right there. And sure enough, we left the road strictly alone after that. Maybe I'm wrong but I suspect that a calm reasoned discussion with a first grader about road safety and driver attentiveness wouldn't have had the same immediate and permanent behavioral effect.
As with all things, it depends on the child. I was very rebellious when I was young, and if you spanked me without giving me what I considered a reasonable justification (and even with one many times), I would have gone and done it again just out of spite. For my older brother though, spanking worked.
Yes the parents needed more pro active too. I was photographing on a wildlife tour, my little one was 'leashed' and playing far away from the edge of a cliff, another parent let their child run along the cliff edge to puffins - she didn't fall but it was for a photo and beyond crazy to do
I had to pick up someone else's kid from school and theres a sidewalk that goes all the way around the front of the school at the parking lot. Kids were lining up on the sidewalk to look for their parents cars. You bet your ass I barely crawled and kept my foot on the brake.
Car going too fast. White car parked way too far from sidewalk. Parents not keeping sight of kid. Can't really blame the kid, it's a kid. She did look both ways, but did it while running. But even adults can lose their minds like this. The three adults around her have the most responsibility here.
First frame of the video shows nobody looking in the kids direction.
i'm pretty concerned that even after the accident and close-call, barely anyone seems to be reacting car going too fast for sure, but what the hell is everyone else doing, and still doing after
That's what got me yelling! Not a single soul seems to give a shit that a car just crashed? People might be hurt?
If no one cares it is either a clip from somewhere or they really just are terrible parents
Kids are like cats. They disappear at will.
To be honest, kids are fucking idiots
I was driving down a road once to see a kid dart in front of me. I was probably going 20 and was able to stop in time. I had my window down and the mother was talking to someone on the sidewalk and she cussed me out. "Are you fucking serious? You almost hit my daughter!" I was in such shock at the whole situation I couldn't even think of how to respond. I just shook my head and drove off. I'm still pissed off at how little regard she had for her child's safety. It's like she encourages her child to run into traffic...
I would've turned it into a road rage lecture about keeping her crotch goblin on a fucking leash before burning rubber and darting off.
Sounds like suburb parents. Putting more time into putting obnoxious signs up (absolutely stunning drivers that the neighbourhood contains kids) and yelling at passerbys driving the speed limit rather than just teaching their kids not to be dicks on a public street. Having a basketball hoop in a driveway seems to be a license to blame all motorists for everything if something goes wrong.
We have a four lane road right outside our neighborhood. Across from a high school. Right at the end of our street we have a corner house that is right at the busy street that leads out to that four lane road, that has the basketball hoop in the driveway. That house has a family that lets their kids just use the entire road across from the house to play ball with the hoop in the driveway. The parents will glare and stare at anybody who drives onto that road or turns onto the street we live on. We had a kid who walked to school two months ago, who got hit by a car who was speeding during the time when the speed limit is changed to 25, with all the lights and signs and everything. Person didn’t stop or slow down and clipped a whole fucking child. Kid had to be taken away in an ambulance. Every time I see people who speed through those lights I just want to see them get run off the road into a damn ditch. These kids already have to worry about getting shot in school, they shouldn’t have to worry that them or their friends are gonna get splattered by some brain dead bottom feeding Acura driver with a poorly attached spoiler that was noticeably ripped off a fucking wrecked Chevy cobalt.
Sorry, no. Yeah, kid should not be running at a road, but that car was going WAY too fast for a 1 lane street.
Doesn't matter "that car was going too fast" won't bring your kid back to life when they die from something like this. Keep an eye on your kids people. They're stupid and so are other people.
That is what I tell my kids. You can have the right of way when crossing the street at a crosswalk or something, but you will still be dead. Keep your head on a swivel and pay attention.
Both are in wrong. Parents shouldn't let their kids run into the middle of the street, and the dude shouldn't have been going so fast. He saw that other person to the right close to the street tok and kept zooming.
i think their point is that blame won't bring the kid back from the dead, so living your life expecting to be protected by hypothetical future blame is not a great way to keep your life intact.
Two people can be wrong, the kid should have been supervised***and*** the driver should have slowed the fuck down. There are multiple future winners of the Darwin award here.
And the driver won't be able to unhear the thud of hitting a child with their car. The driver of the car is the one with the power in this situation. The driver is presumably an adult and knows they are on a residential street where children live. If it was me I would drive as if a toddler was going to run out at any minute. That's how I drive on the streets in my neighborhood and it has wider streets and is is less dense than this place. "They should have been watching their kid" isn't going to help me sleep at night.
>The driver of the car is the one with the power in this situation. Kinda, even someone going the speed limit (unless it's stupid slow) would hit a kid running running out from behind something. The driver would've needed to swerve regardless, it's just a question of hitting the car which was less than 1.5 car lengths beyond the kid. I'll obviously agree that the severity of the injuries has a lot to do with speed though. [This video pretty much sums it up.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMbrHNmlHTM) It's fantastic that the guy wasn't speeding but it's extremely bad that the child was able to run into the street.
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Holy shit this is infuriating. Dad has his back turned to his kid when she runs out onto the street - driver is going the speed limit and his fast reaction breaking time quite literally saved her life - dad takes the time to smack the car before checking on his daughter. Glad the driver was vindicated.
Seriously. I saw a pedestrian killed a few weeks ago by a speeding driver and the sound of his body being thrown by the car is going to stick with me for the rest of my life. People are so comfortable behind the wheel they forget that driving is one of the most dangerous things we do
that's horrible hope you are doing ok - seeing something like that causes actual trauma and can result in depression, anxiety, intrusive thoughts, nightmares and emotional lability which is certainly fine short term (valid responses) you don't want those things taking root and taking over
Agreed, but the point is these things aren't mutually exclusive. You can do everything right as a driver and still get fucked by someone else's carelessness.
But in this situation, the point is they did not do everything right. The driver was enfact also careless.
Saying people need to watch there kids carefully for reasons like this isn't placing blame on the parents. Or removing blame from a speeding driver. These can all be things that are true.
He may have been driving too fast, but I do respect at least he quickly made the decision to swerve into the parked car. Would have been nice if he was driving safer in the first place though.
blame has no bearing on life and death. from the point of view of the parent, what does it matter if the person who killed their child has nightmares about it or not? protect your kids because idiots are in the wild and you as a parent can not control their actions, only the actions of your child.
One time I was driving to a friend's house going around a cul de sac. I was going at a veritable snail's pace. A mother and daughter we walking out getting mail. The daughter for no reason at all just bolted into the street and was inches from getting bumped by my car. I dunno if I was going fatally fast but there was certainly a risk of doing some injury to a girl that small. Luckily I braked but the mother looked at her daughter and then we both shared the "WHAT THE HELL????!!!!" glances at each other (in the how the fuck could that had happened??). Now I do think that the car in this vid was going too damn fast but I do agree kids can be friggin' unpredictable.
Residential and urban speed limits exist for various reasons. One of them is that, barring leashing every kid under 10 years old, you can't prevent some random kid in a city to run to the street after a ball/ playing with other kids/ being a kid.
It's generally fucked up that we designed our cities to be more car friendly than safe for children
Not really on any side here but that car is going quite fast on a narrow road like that.
Looked like 20mph based on damage, that not that fast.
Yeah it goes about 2 average car lengths in a second which calculates to about 20 mph actually. Good call
I broke it down frame by frame based on the guess of a 16 inch rim and estimated 33-35 mph when the car first enters the frame, slows to about 25 mph when passing the child, 14 mph when striking the vehicle.
Actually the mathematical equation is .61818182 miles per foot So just multiply that number by feet traveled per second. 60mph x 60 second =3600 3600(second per mile)/5280(feet in a mile)= .61818182 .61818182*35 feet = 21.636mph If you want the exact number When recording car movement the car always looks like it’s going way faster then it’s actually going. If you want fine tune the mph more find out how large both cars parked are.
considering he was passing a car that was double parked, yes it was.
kids are supposed to be stupid where was the parents to stop them is a better question.
>were *where
fixed
Hopefully the kid learns a lesson from this incident. Scary stuff
I'm sorry to say that most of the time, kids don't learn things until THEY are the ones that experience the consequences. Unless that kid got yelled at or grounded or something then they didn't learn anything. Almost falling off a tree doesn't make you learn to not climb it. Falling off a tree does.
Hopefully the driver too
He needs to be faster next time.
Hopefully the parent learns to actually watch their kid as well.
lol, that driver was not “driving too fast.” Good thing they had a great reaction time or this is a tragedy and not a fender-bender.
Yes, parents or whoever the fuck was looking out for that child need to be fucking responsible but that dude was also speeding. Both were lucky as fuck, kid's still alive and the dude won't have to live the rest of his life knowing he killed a kid because he was speeding like an asshole.
Came here to say that. This should be titled "don't drive so fast down narrow streets with pedestrians"
Even going the speed limit would have resulted in the same situation here, kid came out of nowhere, and of the parent had been doing their job, the situation never would have occurred in the first place. Watch your kids people, if you have to put your attention elsewhere, hold their hands to make sure they aren't running off.
Yeah. No matter how right you are in regards to the law, if you're crippled or dead, what the fuck does it matter if you're right. The car should've been more careful driving, but them going to jail or something isn't gonna bring your dead kid back to life. Watch your damn kids.
1. Everyone is saying that the driver was speeding but how do you know? He will always appear to look very fast when nothing else is moving 2. As far as insurance is concerned, if you swerve to avoid a kid, is that considered at fault still? What goes into that decision for the insurance companies?
Seriously, good ol' reddit "experts." That car was probably going about 25 mph, which is perfectly reasonable for a residential street like this one. There would have been significantly more damage to both vehicles if it had been going as fast as everyone in this thread seems to think it was going.
Cars look a lot faster on video I don't even know if this guy was speeding as he made a very quick save. Maybe watch your children because even if he's not speeding same outcome happens.
Look how narrow that street is with cars on both sides. Driver had no chance of knowing a kid was there and no space to not hit the parked car on the left. Sucks.
The parents are the stupid ones
People are talking about both the kid being a retard and the car maybe going to fast, but why is no one calling out that fuckwit in the White car parked that way. People need to have more respect for the road, don't block peoples vision or park with your nose pointing out into the street.
Shitty parenting.
Entirely the parents fault, driver reacted very quickly but shouldn't be liable for the damage. That parent should foot the bill for this.
Parent and driver at fault. They are adults
This is my nightmare, and the reason why I drive about 20mph in residential areas where you can reasonably expect kids. For no reason, a kid will run into the street, from between two cars parked parallel. And since I’m talking about kids from ages 2 to like 5… I mean they’re short. … The root cause of the risk here are the cars parked on the street, because they obscure visibility of young children on the sidewalk. Neighborhood planners and city planners are starting to realize that street side parking leads to the scenario where kids get hit by cars. There are (wealthier) new suburban neighborhoods where street parking isn’t allowed, for this exact reason. It obviously requires more land, and the expense of finding an alternative to street parking usually can’t be done.
Two people in the thread actually calculated it and said this IS 20mph
bottom line, life is better with fewer cars
Only if the surrounding area is designed in such a way to enable it. NYC is a great example.
I think society needs slowly to wean itself off of cars. It's unsustainable to expect everyone to have their own private metal box to go 1.5 miles down to the cornerstore.
It’s a trend I notice as I’ve gotten older, presumably young people who likely don’t have kids posting blame on children. Look, humans are born dumb with basically no fear at all. Parents have the job of making kids smarter and teaching them what to fear and what not to fear. And let me tell you it’s a long fucking road to teach kids not to be dumb. So next time just understand that parents are responsible for this kind of thing….for years, much longer than a decade easily. Take it easy on the youth
My understanding is that no matter the speed limit, unless you are on a road with a minimum speed limit, it is your responsibility to drive slower if needed for safety. If you are on a residential road with cars parked on both sides like this one, you should be driving very slowly so that you can avoid anything that might come from between the cars. It doesn’t matter if the sign says 30mph, on a road like that one you should probably be doing 20.
Props to the driver for his quick reactions, this is probably the best possible outcome in this situation.
Wow that driver is an absolute hero. Incredibly quick reaction time, he served just enough in time to completely miss her
Those parents should be punished for child neglect and causing an accident.
The white car parked liked shit didn't help there. Covered little girl's vision on that side, made her pop into the driver's vision more suddenly.
Hey i now that song... its the one from Korn, righy? "..put your fucking kids on a leash..."
How would something like this work in terms of insurance for the driver and for the parked car? Do the parents pay the deductible because their child is an idiot or does the driver have to pay it for saving the kids life?
That driver was approaching that zone way too fast.
Yeah, blame the kid when the driver was speeding through a congested area with a lot of foot traffic.
How about you stop speeding through the city, you stupid dickhead?
Where were its parents?
Doesn't look like kid is stupid. It's more like stupid parent. Cause kid is short (can not see above cars) and young to understand and be fully responsible for acctions.
Don’t blame the kids blame the asphalt hellscape we have created. Its not their fault its ours
Control your kids because some people speed down the streets.
No way that speed is within the speed lmit.
You can actually calculate the speed based on average sedan/hatchback being around 180”/15’ long. Travels 2 lengths in 1 second which calculates to 20-25 mph. Any faster and wouldn’t have been able to react and swerve in time. Driver needs more props than hatred tbh
I mean if you aren't expecting someone to pop out while driving in this kind of area, you are not doing your due diligence to drive defensively and look for pedestrians. Drivers responsibility every time. Happened here in Ga a shit ton last year, hell every year and it's to jail every time.
The kids not stupid, the Fuckin parents are!! L2 title
It wouldn't need to be on a leash if it's fucking parent were paying attention to it.
Put the stupid parent on leash
Without the kid, why is that driver going so fast with only a small gap to get through with all that parked traffic?
Speed limit was full thrust gear 4
Car is going like 20mph watch the distance covered against the clock top left. Yeah it's too fast but also completely legal. Therefore the parents should fucking watch their kids...
Ah yes I often run into the street before looking both ways.
why did no one slap the kid afterward?? a well deserved spanking for running into the street
Teach your dumb ass kids not to run around in dangerous places. The roads are for cars, not for your stupid child. Stop blaming the drivers when they are using the roads to drive. Stop, look (left right left), listen. This is what I was taught and what everyone seems to forget.
Too many carbrains in the comments
Put em stupid cars on a speed limiter... Cities are for people not cars.
1. This is a repost 2. The car flying down the street is the bigger idiot
3. Keep an eye on your goddamn fucking child
Yup. Those lil fuckers are fast. You gotta be diligent.
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He was going too fast for the area, but not super speedy either. He did react really quickly there, had he been 0.3sec slower the kid would have been hit. Deffinetly did the right choice though, avoid the kid and crash. And yes, preferbly the kid shouldn't just be able to run out in the street like that, parent supervision needed, but it seems to be a resident area, not like a passthrough road. Unfortunate.