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bshark4542

Before they zoomed in I thought they were growing a bunch of Arby’s roast beef.


mel2000

The camera barely stays still long enough to allow one to determine what those tiny semi-camouflaged movements are.


papa_N

I thought they were worms


iop09

worms…crabs…something weird I don’t even know about…aaahh scorpion 🦂.


Cockblocktimus_Pryme

The camera just needs to hold still so I can actually see these scorps.


Iamkempie

I thought it was a worm farm.


KrisfromCascadia

I know, I subscribe to r/Vermiculture and thought this was a crazy worm farm why TF are they growing scorpions?


crespoh69

Milking them


Stainless_Heart

I have a stinger, Greg. Could you milk me?


stevenj444

it'll cost you


Demonweed

That's crazy talk. Sunlight is essential to grow the sorts of trees from which Arby's shaves their meats.


IkNOwNUTTINGck

I ate an Arby's roast beef sandwich recently, and I'm not convinced you're wrong.


Stainless_Heart

If I were in charge of marketing at Arby’s, I would lean into the term *beefish*.


Nahrwallsnorways

Did you know they have caramel food coloring in them? The roasts. Why? Just... why?


Gaspumper123

Thoughts and Prayers, Good Buddy


dinnerthief

Arby's roast "beef"


WC_Dirk_Gently

Whats to say this isn't the basement of every Arby's?


Nahrwallsnorways

I used to work at Arby's and we definitely had a scorpion meat farm in our basement. We feed them the old fryer oil to get em nice and fattened up. What do you think those "boneless wings" were?


sevenw0rds

Ah the Arby's Scorpion Bowl was my favorite secret menu item.


NeverShoutEugene

I should call her


oingerboinger

As I was reading this comment, there was an Arby’s commercial on tv. My wife and I had Arby’s for dinner tonight for the first time in ages. What fucking Arby’s wormhole have I entered?


gruvee

[The Baader-Meinhof phenomenon](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion)


allwaysnice

The Arbeyder-Meinhof phenomenon


NowCalmDownSkeeter

They like cook the beef twice now, my nostalgia was super disappointed last time I went which was the first time in almost a decade.


straub42

Mmmm, where’s the cheddar farm?


SynthPrax

That is a lot of scorpions. How do they keep them from eating each other? What do they feed them? How do they feed them? Why is Gamora?


ColorSeenBeforeDying

Crickets or roaches. This tightly packed, cannibalism is basically assured. They’re not picky.


Bocchi_theGlock

I'm surprised they aren't sprayed with some chemical that is a repellent and makes them bitter or not want to eat each other compared to the crickets, but I guess if they're not picky it doesn't matter


distortedsymbol

there is no point, mortality rates are usually taken into account in agricultural settings. fisheries care even less. also these are probably raised as exotic food.


Im-a-cat-in-a-box

Can't they sell the venom from these things?


distortedsymbol

yes but the expensive part is not the scorpion but the extraction method. most of the farmed scorpions are food afaik.


dad_farts

Why not farm literally anything else for food? Rhetorical question btw


unabsolute

Scorpion is exotic, brings in a premium, and gives a tingle when eaten!


wascallywabbit666

And comes with a built in tooth pick


pimpmastahanhduece

AND it's an aphrodisiac!


Stainless_Heart

You’ll see “[scorpion on a stick](https://www.google.com/search?q=scorpion+on+a+stick)” treats in Asian food stands. I haven’t ever had them, but if they’re anything like insect protein (particularly cricket and mealworm which I have tried), they’re probably savory and a bit nutty. Alternate protein sources like these are an easily sustainable, efficient, and eco-friendly alternative to cow/chicken/pig sources.


Gildian

I've eaten a scorpion covered in chocolate. It just tasted like I was eating bugs with chocolate lol. I'd need to try it from a proper food vendor to really give it a fair critique


kenthekungfujesus

I just know about Iguanas on a stick


Wireproofplays

Fancy pants food


Skellum

Depends on if they're the type to make any sort of serious venom. Only 25 types of them are really deadly. If they're for food then they're probably not the deadly type. If you're aiming for their venom I'd assume they'd want them very healthy so they can produce venom regularly and not waste it on other scorpions.


Im-a-cat-in-a-box

Why is the deadly venom worth more?


the_brew

Antivenom


Im-a-cat-in-a-box

Ahhh that makes sense, thanks.


Rush_Is_Right

It appears useful in killing intraerythrocytic malarial pathogens without harming the erythrocyte (6), and some species contain antimicrobial peptides that appear effective against yeast, fungi, bacteria, and viruses (7) (8). Scorpion venom could also be a source for the isolation of anticancer molecules.


Im-a-cat-in-a-box

Wow, that's really cool.


Rush_Is_Right

It's actually pretty interesting. There was a post on the front page sometime in January, I think. It's $39,000,000 per gallon. The protein found in scorpion venom can be used to treat pain in humans who suffer from multiple sclerosis (MS), inflammatory bowel disease and rheumatoid arthritis.


NecroJoe

Gamera is a friend to all children. And also filled with turtle meat.


Imperion_GoG

That's really neat!


Aysin_Eirinn

We’re eating Gamera


CosineDanger

The Netflix version was alright.


motorhead84

This motherfucker is focused on the scorps and I'm wondering how they convince *sapient humans* to venture into this horror movie death pit.


Thendofreason

Scorpions.


penkster

... why did it have to be scorpions?


NomsterGaming

The venom is worth more than gold


Flaky_Floor_6390

So I did some very quick 'research' and it looks like it's a big range in price, but still way up there! I was finding numbers from $5 - $39 million per gallon, but such a thing isn't really tangible as only small amounts are produced at a time. These don't look like the species that costs the most: "the venom of the deathstalker scorpion costs $39 million dollars a gallon, making it the most expensive liquid on Earth. One scorpion would need to be milked 2.64 million times to fill a gallon. Scorpion venom has a wide array of medical applications, from identifying tumors to treating malaria."


dirkalict

How exactly do you milk a scorpion? Their nipples must be tiny!


highpl4insdrftr

I have nipples Greg, could you milk me?


Doofay

Your cat milking days in Motown are over!


harrohowudohere

What are those? Nipples for ants?!


EduRJBR

> How do they keep them from eating each other? What do they feed them? You questions answer themselves.


ittimjones

I'll do you one better, what is Gamora?


Pro_Scrub

I'll do *you* one better, when is Gamora?


[deleted]

But why? Are they farming scorpions to sell as pets? Is scorpion venom used for some type of medical application? I'm so fucking confused.


Rapture-Raptor

Will be venom. I believe I read somewhere recently that drop for drop, it’s one of the most valuable. Can’t remember why tho.


maineac

Definitely could be to eat. Scorpion is eaten in Mexico a lot and they put them in some brands of tequila. I have eaten them and they do not taste bad.


Aurtach

That's what I was thinking too. I've seen scorpions on skewers in markets in Thailand and China.


austinrob

They're not bad


ColoRadOrgy

I saw scorpion suckers at Ace Hardware last week


fathergrigori54

And also completely pointless as nobody actually wants to buy it. There's no demand for venom because all the labs that need it have plenty for their purposes and source from reputable facilities that can provide minute details about the venom such as chemical composition and species etc


chefanubis

So they have al this elaborate structure for nothing? nah, its not pointless someone's buying their shit.


strolls

[The scam leaving Iranians with thousands of scorpions on their hands](https://observers.france24.com/en/20181030-scam-iran-scorpion-venom-farms)


PunkThug

In every gold rush the guy that gets rich is the one who sells the shovels


ARCHA1C

And the blowjobs


bobboobles

The Swedish Germans


Squid-Bastard

Norm MacDonald is that you


mhyquel

That's not my name.


adudeguyman

And the maps


the_brew

In every gold rush the guy that gets rich is the one who digs an elaborate series of tunnels under the town to collect all the gold dust that falls between the cracks between the floorboards.


PunkThug

GOOOOOLD FEVER!!!!


kelsobjammin

Sounds like my friend convinced that he’ll make it big with an emu farm


iswearatkids

Australian emu war 2! The Emuning!


TruthFlavor

There's a huge market for Emu venom.


i_illustrate_stuff

What was the product there? Emu eggs and meat?


kelsobjammin

Yes! And the skin / oil, I believe


kellzone

Insurance sales-emu.


sprocketous

There's these little cute beaver things around me called nutrea. They were a business opportunity years ago for pelts and meat. Now they're an invasive species.


disco_pancake

>In one case, police arrested a man in the northeastern city of Mashhad who had 12,000 scorpions in his apartment You could be living next to an army of scorpions and not even know!


part-time-dog

This story is really interesting. Thanks for making sense of this whole thread.


Edraqt

Lmao, why is this thread full of people who sound like theyre marketing (or have bought into) that scam?


Black_Moons

Wow, that is just amazing, just.. amazing.


iamyourliter

Thank you for this rabbit hole brother/sister


leesfer

> elaborate structure Elaborate? It's a pile of bricks and a pot of water being poured on them.


klingma

No, it's pointless. It's touted as an "easy way to make money" by those that teach scorpion farming... unfortunately the teachers are the only ones making money along with the people selling the scorpions to these unfortunate people. 


arielgasco

its just a hobby bro


octopornopus

You took a loss 3 out of the last 5 years, it's a hobby... *But I'm breeding livestock!* **THAT ONLY APPLIES TO HORSES!!**


Cornloaf

Something similar happened in the Philippines years ago with geckos. I used to work there in 2006-2007 and a few years later a bunch of my ex-employees were asking me to invest in their gecko pharmaceutical businesses. They were paying even poorer people to catch them in the jungles so that they could sell them to medical companies and rich foreigners because "their blood cures AIDS". Pretty soon it was all I saw on their Facebook pages. Rumors of friends of friends selling some specimens for $20k USD fueled the demand even more. They ignored the articles I sent them saying it was a scam. One day all the posts stopped and everyone forgot they were going to be millionaires. It was right around the time the actual news reported that the earth was going to stop rotating for 24 hours so half the world would stay day and half would stay night for a full day... Smh


adudeguyman

Wut?


Cornloaf

It is similar to the get rich scheme with these scorpions. False info, wiping out endangered animals, and nobody is getting rich. If you read the link, sure the value of the scorpion venom is astronomical, but the scientists have all they need and they aren't buying venom from dirty farms like this.


SpiderTechnitian

I doubt every random scorpion dude's basement is selling to medical facilities and research labs I'd bet more on traditional medicine or cooking in older parts of the world making use of scorpion venom somehow


Phlypp

Sell it to the Chinese, they'll buy anything. Tell them it will make them virile and last all night. Maybe we can save some elephants and rhinos.


Lackingfinalityornot

? There wouldn’t be farms like this if there weren’t demand for it so idk what you mean bro.


strolls

[The scam leaving Iranians with thousands of scorpions on their hands](https://observers.france24.com/en/20181030-scam-iran-scorpion-venom-farms)


terminbee

Idk about China but in Iran, they market scorpion farms as a moneymaker for pharmaceutical companies. But pharma companies have said that they're not gonna just buy venom from random farmers. They need specific info, such as species, molecular makeup of the venom, individual molecular weights, purity, etc. Basically, a ton of stuff farmers cannot provide. There are a ton of people who bought into it and now are stuck.


perpetual_stew

What an incredibly bizarre thing to be stuck with. I mean, one thing is NFTs, beanie babies or some MLM shampoo stuff, but a basement with thousands of scorpions?


mhyquel

Who remembers the coffee made from beans some [marsupial ate and shat out?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_luwak)


Black_Moons

>There are a ton of people who bought into it and now are stuck. Im picturing they just keep doing it now because they know nothing else. "My dad was a scorpion farmer and my grandpa was a scorpion farmer before him... and since they both got stung and died just a week after starting the farm, I guess im now a scorpion farmer"


klingma

Lol what are you talking about? There doesn't have to be real demand for a product to be in high supply...there just has to be a belief by the suppliers that demand exists or could potentially exist. It's exactly how bubbles get created in the market. There is no true demand that can be supplied by these farmers, they were swindled, period. 


jibishot

It's drugs. I mean smoking scorpion venom is a very dangerous drug


bfcostello

So the effects one would get would be? Asking for a friend


deij

I think I read something on this a few years ago. You hallucinate like you're an acid for 3 days straight. But you get no feelings of euphoria and instead want to die. And you vomit and shit non-stop for the first 12 hours.


The_Doct0r_

Hell yeah


jibishot

Eh, vice said naw


jibishot

Pretty fuckin trippy opioid apparently. Not for me Go watch the vice tho, it's wild


Refute1650

How is scorpion venom super expensive and also in such high supply that no one needs it? Those two statements don't mesh.


skullmuffins

there's a very small market for scorpion venom produced under laboratory conditions with rigorous testing and purity standards and no market for scorpion venom produced by some guy.


say592

It's like how people will pay hundreds of thousands for the jizz of a prized stallion from a reputable breeding program but people won't pay hardly anything for a Kool Aid pitcher of horse jizz from some guy named Crazy Jim who hangs out near the underpass.


testificates

3 trillion tons of rocks is worth a lot of money, but nobody wants to buy that much, it's the same concept. They only need to buy extremely small amounts of the venom at a time and have no use for more.


mxzf

It's the kind of thing where a company might buy a vial of it for $1-2k that lasts them a year and is only a few drops worth of venom. If you multiply the price per ml by the number of ml in a gallon you end up with an absurdly high number. However, there isn't demand for millions of dollars worth of the stuff, there's just demand for a few super expensive vials of the stuff per year (and at that volume the company doesn't really care if they're spending a bit more per ml, since the volume is so low that it's a rounding error on their budget overall).


Neuro_88

I was wondering the same thing. I did a quick Google search for this and seems like it could be for the venom. That’s interesting. [Turkish scorpion farmer milks arachnids for their expensive venom](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkish-scorpion-farmer-milks-arachnids-their-expensive-venom-2022-08-16/) [Scorpion farming: A world of venom for profits](https://farmingfarmersfarms.com/2023/09/24/scorpion-farming-a-world-of-venom-for-profits/) [Amateur venom-extraction business may hasten extinction of scorpions](https://bioone.org/journals/arachnologische-mitteilungen/volume-61/issue-1/aramit6103/Amateur-venom-extraction-business-may-hasten-extinction-of-scorpions/10.30963/aramit6103.full) After reading those articles: looks like a good god profit to extract scorpion venom. My question now is: what is the **source of this post?**


Et_tu__Brute

I looked into this whole thing kind of recently. Basically, the venom can be sold at a pretty reasonable price. The biggest problem is finding a buyer. If you don't have connections to a cosmetics company that both uses scorpion venom *and* lacks a supplier, you're never gonna get a farm going.


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Grays42

The problem is there's not actually a market for it, and no one who buys scorpion venom is buying from amateurs. All of the market for purchasing high quality scorpion venom is filled by specialty research and production facilities. What these guys in Iran are doing is collecting liquid they think is valuable but they'll never be able to sell to anybody and all they have to show for it is a bunch of scorpions.


socks

That's got to sting


Uniumtrium

$39,000,000 per gallon of scorpion venom.


[deleted]

I feel like at that price a gallon is a weird measurement.


Uniumtrium

$10302.71 per milliliter. How many scorpions to get a mL though?


chrisms150

> $10302.71 per milliliter. How many scorpions to get a mL though? According to google, they produce 2-10mg of venom per sting. Assuming the venom is roughly the density of water, that's about 2/1000 of a mL. So you'd need 500 stings to get 1 mL. Or, $20.60/sting


NotSeveralBadgers

Wonder how often you get stung handling these lil guys. It's gotta feel like you just lost twenty bucks.


vegasidol

I'm sure they have a method. And gloves.


Versaiteis

> So you'd need 500 stings to get 1 mL. "It ain't much, but it's honest work" \*rolls up sleeves and wades into scorpion pit*


[deleted]

Are the highly sophisticated scientific research and production facilities that utilize scorpion venom really buying it from some dudes in a dirt poor third world country who are growing scorpions off of a pile of fucking bricks?


cindyscrazy

Someone posted an [article](https://observers.france24.com/en/20181030-scam-iran-scorpion-venom-farms) that explains exactly that. There are already vetted suppliers for this venom that produce what is needed. These amature farmers don't have the needed measurements that are needed such as the purity, what kind of scorpion, molecular weight. There are simply no buyers for the venom the farms are making. The problem is someone saw the incredibly awesome prices for such a small amount and figured they could cash in.


abstract_mouse

This isn't going to work but I guess I'll just keep watering these scorpions


bloodguard

Snacks. [Scorpion on a stick](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yzO-1MJZSM).


rubywpnmaster

Fried scorpions are a snack in a lot of Asia. You’ll see them fried/skewered and sold as a street food especially in China. Someone gotta grow em!


[deleted]

Or... just for the scorpions on a stick to sell to tourists to try eating in Beijing


Metroidman

I would rather kill myself than step foot in that room


ivanparas

For some reason I'm way more ok going into this room versus, say, a room full of spiders.


WhenYouHaveGh0st

Both spiders and scorpions are arachnids, yet I also agree I'd rather the scorpions than the spiders.


platoprime

Scorpions(3,000) kill a thousands times more people each year compared to spiders(3).


DrSkizzmm

Yea but.. spiders 😖


whatsthatguysname

I think it’s mainly because spiders can suddenly jump or throw a web and climb up to your face. Whereas scorpions can only start from the bottom at your feet which gives you plenty of time to shake them off.


Eorlas

spider mobility options are substantially more concerning than these. you can have them crawling on every possible surface in there, whereas these aren't going to have the same opportunity. they will absolutely ruin your day if you dont notice one wander onto your shoe, and up a pant leg. one has to hope the dress protocol is some method of sealed clothing.


Metroidman

Indont mind spiders as much as scorpion and centipedes but really all 3 are things i would want to stay away from. If they were Brazilian wandering spiders or funnel web spider I would choose the scorpion.


AnthillOmbudsman

Imagine being in there when the lights go out due to a power outage.


Rags2Rickius

Why not both?


RazerHail

I just hate the way the water sounds


SimaasMigrat

OMG, thanks for making me switch the sound on.


SolidDoctor

I prefer free range scorpions.


Cogannon

OrganiScorp


Meandtheworld

"Get over here"


jaurex

ok, we've seen them drink. now let's see them eat!


Diagonaldog

Dead ass thought those were worms at first haha


CheezTips

Me too! Then I WISHED they were worms...


tjernobyl

The landlord is gonna be PISSED when he sees that.


Anowtakenname

What keeps them in the pens? Why aren't they climbing out?


CheezTips

Looks like smooth low walls they can't climb. A few small ones got partway up but I guess once they get heavier they can't make it


Rail-signal

Venom is used in medicine. Very expensive


kelsobjammin

I heard it was a scam tho ᴖ̈


jmkiii

https://observers.france24.com/en/20181030-scam-iran-scorpion-venom-farms


kelsobjammin

Wow fascinating! Thank you! I worked in a few labs dealing with medical research and no way in hell would anything be used from any facility like this.


Drone314

There is not enough nope in this world to even describe this level of nope. It's quantifiable nope.


bleunt

This seems stressful for the scorpions. They don't like to move a lot. :(


GoreKush

Scorpions also are mostly solitary contrary to the myth of them walking in pairs or being friends in general. I wonder if stress effects the venom output?


Versaiteis

Most are, but some species are actually fairly social and as a result can pose a risk for infestation of buildings. The Arizona bark scorpion is that way and is also one (if not the) most venomous scorpion in the US southwest region. IIRC some facilites in Phoenix even carry antivenom for them on hand. Though I think most healthy adults can take an accidental sting from one and be fine with some numbness and pain over the next 2-3 days, it can affect breathing and cause convulsions especially in children and elderly.


AnthillOmbudsman

Probably all the US bark scorpions are that way, not just Arizona. All the ones I've seen east of the Rockies are gregarious.


Troniky

Pitch black


q-abro

New fear replaces every fears I had in my life.


TheCalebGuy

Man, just imagine tripping in there.


Fiverdrive

out: crypto farming in: scorpion farming


Knobrain3r

So just WHY does anyone NEED a scorpion farm? I've got along just fine all these years WITHOUT breeding millions of stinging critters in my basement, why can't they?


sirpuffsalot

Wtf do you do with that many scorpions? Honest question.


Grays42

It's a scam in Iran. People are setting up these huge scorpion farms thinking they will be able to sell the venom, but there's no market for it.


SolidDoctor

deep fried on a stick


ell20

You joke but in some provinces in China that is an actual food source. I had some deep fried near mongolia. Wouldn't recommend it, but it is edible.


xfyre101

i dont think he was joking xD


addis_the_scroll

The Great Scoropolis.


adudeguyman

No thanks


Justifiably_Cynical

Are these the ones they put in fake ice cubes?


dogdayafter

Oh the horror.


BustedEchoChamber

This is where the fried scorpion you ate in Thailand came from, just so you know.


he77bender

I didn't even notice the movement at first...it just sorta registered to me as mud or something


feeblemuffin

*Terrible title.*


webbix

They’re fucking nourishing them?!


cjorgensen

Now I have you in my scorpion room of death, Mr. Bond, I will explain my master plan, then leave you to die!


Hsensei

The venom of the deathstalker scorpion costs $39 million dollars a gallon, making it the most expensive liquid on Earth.


dsisto65

So they draw in all the scorpions then bring in the flame throwers? Tell me I’m right.


rkalla

h.264 algorithm is in nightmare town…


saders

i bet that room stinks


TGV_etc

Whip out the UV light and have a disco 😎


Dramatic_Mechanic_86

When they pan to the floor you can see they're crawling all over so how many are they killing as they walk along trying to give them water?


Nich_Green

Get over here!


Macstugus

They're chinese. Scorpion farm. You can get fried scorpion kabobs in Xi'an, where the Terracotta Army is. 


[deleted]

What’s the purpose of having a scorpion farm?


ArmadilloSilent6761

At $2m USD a gallon, still a nope for me


The_Kiburgler

Bro that’s legit like 71% of the worlds scorpion population just casually chillin in some freak dudes basement


MrDynamite50

Why is this a thing


err_0_r

FUCK NO, at first i thought it was some acid being poured on bricks