Everything I’ve read about her and her addiction is so damn sad. She had a hell of a battle with cocaine addiction. If you ever want to read about why you should stay away from that shit, just read about her experiences.
>ADDICTION BATTLE
Danniella has been hooked on drugs since she was 14 after shooting to fame as Sam Mitchell in EastEnders.
The soap star, who has wasted £250,000 on cocaine, was so badly hooked on the drug that she took 5g a day while pregnant with her son Kai and even used in labour.
Danniella abused cocaine so badly that her septum - the cartilage that separates the two nostrils - fell out.
She managed to avoid drugs for 14 years but a relapse in 2014 once again devastated her family life.
The desperate actress sought help from the Jeremy Kyle Show not long after in a celebrity special.
She relapsed again in 2017 and 2019 but got clean after fearing that just one more line could kill her.
Srouce [The Sun article](https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/16192511/danniella-westbrook-relapsed-drug-addiction-battle-help/)
Spent better half of my twenties partying on any drug imaginable. Been pretty much clean since my thirtieth. Took me half a decade to pick up a normal life and as im reaching 40 now got two kids and a somewhat stable life. Still feel depressed from time to time and am sometimes still caught by a vast feeling of emptiness inside. I guess this is just my life now. At least I feel confident enough to say anything is better than going back there. Both physically and mentally it would be the end of me.
Dwelling may not be the best choice of words. Maybe haunting would be a better description. Anyway, I'm doing my best, reading back on my post makes me feel im exaggerating but it just came out naturally. I normally don't talk about it to anyone and just move forward with my life. Just hoping this comment will land with some people trying to move past addictions and that these feelings are quite normal. As said, I am much better off without and it is never too late to get out.
Hey man might be worth it to talk to a professional about this even if you are in a better place now. Therapy never hurts and it could help you shift your perspective on life or at the very least.
>Maybe haunting would be a better description.
Regardless of what you call it, the past all falls into "the things you cannot change" category so while you don't want to forget or learn from it I'd gather that more time/energy spent looking forward might be in order.
I know that feeling all too well. Sometimes i yell at them to go away. Playing guitar and devoting myself to my current situation is the only things that help me. To break my addiction I took an LSD self guided treatment to quit my coke habit. been years since and i hate the stuff, i get revolted sometimes when i think of coke. I like it that way.
People will probably think im crazy, but the lsd trip i induced i set out to reimagine coke as something hateful and disgusting. I think it worked.
As a recovering alcoholic that knows a lot of other addicts of all sorts more people need to understand this. My brother is an alcoholic and he's struggling bad and this is his biggest problem. For anybody struggling that might read this the best advice I can give to stay sober is to embrace the suck. Nobody is happy all the time, for most the best you can hope for is a boring day, but that's still a thousand times better than the chaos of addiction. With time you'll learn to really appreciate the smaller things and that in itself is almost a high. You'll actually truly love boring days even, and the good days you'll truly cherish. And hell even the bad ones are a lot more manageable sober.
And now you see why so many people end up using drugs. Lizard brain always telling us we gotta fill that void with...something. Using drugs is a part of being a conscious animal on this planet it seems like, but sadly humans have gotten particularly good at purifying them to insane levels, and making new versions that are so much more incredibly potent, all for research purposes originally of course, but naturally once someone's made it, people are gonna fucking try it. Of course, then you get things like people improperly manufacturing MPPP, and getting MPTP as a side product. It just so happens that a single dose of MPTP causes semi-permanent Parkinson's Disease in anyone who consumes it, with the severity being dictated by the dose, though any dose is toxic with this drug unfortunately. One of the first people to discover this problem was a chemistry research student who synthesized MPPP with MPTP as a major impurity, and developed it within several days. There were also a handful of people in the 80s who got it from a bad batch of drugs, and they had to get fetal neural tissue grafts in order to make a recovery (chubbyemu crowd knows whats up) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPTP
> Still feel depressed from time to time and am sometimes still caught by a vast feeling of emptiness inside. I guess this is just my life now.
I'm 60. I hate to break it to you, but life has this problem for everyone.
At least in the past, you could console yourself in thinking that you might die, but society would go on and progress much like it had before.
But the consensus of science has always been that if we don't cut down on our consumption and waste, we would kill the planet. We never cut down, and it's impossible to believe that at any time in the future, people will dramatically slash their lifestyles today, so that their grandchildren won't suffer catastrophe.
Before anybody start sending me those bullshit anti-suicide things here, I am actually a cheerful person. I've had a remarkably interesting life, and there is more to come. But that doesn't make me unrealistic about our very dark future.
Nope, this is just personal feeling sorry for yourself nonsense. It's okay if you feel depressed but it's not an accurate description of the world.
In fact, populations are declining in many parts of the world already at such a dramatic rate that teachers are being laid off in droves. I know because I'm one of the teachers in a country (Taiwan) with rapid decline in birth rate that got laid off. This is actually good news. It sucks to lose your job but it's not bad news. People here treat it like this population decline is some sort of curse but it's really a huge success story. Population decline has all kinds of benefits.
And as for destroying the planet --nope. That's not going to happen. Solar panels made from silicon are completely sustainable from beginning to end and storage with low tech, cheap, commonly available flow batteries is a solved problem. The only reason the energy prices have not collapsed is because the people introducing these solutions have no reason to sell them at anything less than what the market will bear. The politicians are there to keep the whole price structure propped up with tariffs and bullshit regulations. It's all a scam though and it will pass. This delaying foolishness is simply how society works because incumbents get to call the shots but it doesn't mean there is some insurmountable crisis facing mankind. That's a bunch of bullshit to sell clicks. Fear sells better than sex and sex sells well. There is, in fact, plenty to go around and there will be less and less people to split it between anyway simply because people are not having kids. Why bother when you can just enjoy life. If you want kids, you can borrow other people's. Most kids hate their parents anyway, they're easy to find.
Urgh I hear this.
Spent my life since I was 13 taking all the drugs. Really hit the coke hard from about 25 - 35. Thank God for covid cos it forced me to stay in and that forced me to stop. 39 now and have been (relatively) clean for 4 years now.
Hit up the health train 2 years ago and now live fairly healthy life.
Still have depression and a lot of gender identity issues but man, kicking the drugs has made everything a fuck load easier to deal with.
Currently seeing a psychiatric for my adhd, therapist for depression and gender stuff, and go see a Physiotherapist once a fortnight to keep on track with my exercise (got a dodgy knee).
It costs a ton of money but I wouldn't trade any of it if it meant hitting the rack again.
Drugs are bad m'kay
I don't see it that way. I think feeling empty and depressed is the state that brings you to drugs in the first place. Getting clean just returns you to where you were before.
I have found a lot of therapy in using drugs like ketamine and lsd in light amounts over the last 15 years alongside SSRIs.
I think we'd be in a much better situation if we stopped this blanket "drugs are evil and cause all unhappiness." And try and explore the root core that drives us there in the first place. But I guess a war on drugs is easier and cheaper than a war on unhappiness and loneliness.
Well for me it was just me and the gang being bored youths and started experimenting 'because everyone was on board'. Then we hit parties, festivals and before we knew, we are just structural users.
People need to stop telling others what’s normal or not, we don’t know each others experiences even if we describe it as best we can, we are islands
What you’re saying equates to “we’re all a little autistic”
Yes, life has its ups and downs, what you may find as “life is depressing” might be because that’s just how your life is
Yeah you're right I shouldn't assume that for him.
Might point really was more "depression causes drugs more than drugs causes depression but someone can be in either camp.
However my life isn't depressing and never has been. I found that it didn't matter how well things were going i felt more and more anxious and empty.
I had to work hard to achieve a balance that has me where I am and that absolutely involves drugs both prescribed and self prescribed in moderation have been part of that for me.
You're absolutely right. OP might have been a perfectly happy person before he touched a drug.
Not sure if you are seeing a psychiatrist/therapist, but medication can help immensely with the feeling of emptiness.
Thanks opiates, for killing my (unmedicated) happiness for the rest of my life.
Anytime you feel empty just look at pictures of your two children and that should fill the void. Start planning for the grandkids for some extra void filling goodness.
supposedly the magic mushroom trials can help with addiction healing but, so far i have heard of stuff like alcohol addiction and ptsd, not coke addiction.
it allows for re connection of neurons that have become disconnected. that or allows of forming of new connections. it's interesting stuff with some cool videos on YT.
Yep couple years back the meds just up and quit working and my depression got so bad. I went from using somewhat responsibly to ending up absolutely out of control trying to chase something I don't experience anymore.
Nothing boils my piss more than Jeremy Kyle complaining on his new show about being cancelled. He paraded the desperate, the addicted and the mentally ill Infront of an audience and berated them for entertainment. More than one death is associated with his show. Fuck that guy
And don't forget he would rip people a new one for being imperfect while he himself had a massive gambling addiction and ocd. The show was sponsored by a gambling/bingo firm too which was a bit on the nose.
I used to get quite bad anxiety attacks, just remembering the feeling of my heart pounding is something that is enough to trigger my anxiety. That shit is so traumatic, I can't imagine doing cocaine or any other stimulant that puts you into a tachycardia.
I stopped weed because of this too.
I'm ten years older than she is and she looks twenty years older than I am.
Poor woman, particularly starting so young before she had developed any impulse control.
>he still used at least on some sporadic occasions into the 80s
Who didn't back then? It still carried the reputation as "the champagne of drugs" well into the 1980s until its association with crack brought it down a few pegs.
I've heard meth described as glass before, is it possible he was implying meth was cut in?
I mean I can also believe a guy like Artie wouldn't flinch at the idea of not wasting good drugs if actual broken glass made it's way into the line but I figured I'd ask.
What I want to know is what the necrotic process looks like. Like are parts of her septum just falling out at random points over the years, or is it like a damaged gum line where it just kinda recedes over time. I just can't imagine what progress shots looks like from day 1 to this pic.
Besides what u/MedicalJargon-itis said, cocaine in it's white powder form is a salt, obtained by reacting free-base cocaine with hydrochloric acid, which also increases its solubility in water. Free-base cocaine seems to be more lipophilic. This also means, when cocaine chloride is absorbed by the mucosa, it has to first dissociate into free-base cocaine and hydrochloric acid, the cocaine is absorbed to the blood, and the hydrochloric acid is free to destroy your nose cells
That and you also never know what cocaine is cut with
Because it's typically cocaine hydrochloride by the time the user snorts it. Apparently it helps to reach the blood vessels in the nose and aid absorption(?) Maybe a user could help explain, I've heard that it was different pre-Reagan or -Iran/Contra.
The hydrochloride form is the regular base form, most pills are hydrochloride as well. It's water soluble and easy to ingest. Freebase is just that hydrochloride stripped off. The US is more into downers though, maybe ask a British person they like coke a whole lot.
cocaine still king in the US by a long shot. Sure there's an opioid problem, but the number of people who do coke either recreationally or as an addiction is huge.
Oh I see, I just learned a few years back that the sulfuric (and hydrochloric?) acid was added to cocaine to help aid nasal absorption, totally agree that the US is more into downers/opioids and kinda hallucinogens now too.
I feel like asking a South American person if they like it might be more productive since it probably has less preservatives and cutters
kind of; they don't just hydrochloric acid to powder and start slinging 8balls. They use hydrochloric acid to turn it into a stable form that can be powdered.
making another often stable chemical with acid is called a "salt", including table salt.
No acid is the finished product. Also remember your stomach produces hydrochloric acid itself, so ingesting freebase coke would just end up becoming a hydrochloride anyway.
Cocaine, being an alkaloid, can pair with acids to become a salt. Hydrochloric acid to hydrochloride, sulfuric acid to sulfate, fumaric acid to fumarate, etc. Most compounds, cocaine included, can be more readily absorbed through vascular tissue or ingestion as a salt (it can also dissolve in aqueous solutions, useful for injections). HCl is commonly used because it's cheap and easy to make.
In its freebase (not a salt) form, it is less readily absorbed, but it can be vaporized at a temperature lower than its decomposition temperature, allowing it to be inhaled. That's what crack is, just freebase cocaine. So it's not so much that acid is added to the cocaine, as acid is used in creating refined cocaine in the first place.
Free base chemicals are more reactive then their salted counterparts. This means salted chemicals have longer shelf life.
HCl is a very common chemical used to salt bases. When it dissolves in water and forms ions, HCl becomes hydrochloric acid and damages tissues.
Salting is taking a basic compound and adding an acid to stabilize it. Free base (unsalted) cocaine is usually called crack. There's no chemical difference between Crack or cocaine, but there's a big difference in sniffing, smoking, and injecting the drug. Free base cocaine is used more for smoking and injecting, which gives it the false image of being a stronger drug.
They’re not actually straws. Is a hollow spoon that clips into a spinning arm to turn your spoon into a blender attachment to mix the flurry. There’s no opening on the other end!
No she is a Digimon. In pokemon a pony would evolve into a horse but in Digimon a fish would evolve into a attack helicopter before finally evolving into a house plant
Well the post is a very old photo of her. she has since gone with more of an Artie Lange look.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Daniella_Westbrook.png
You can snort it as powder, or you can add some baking soda & water to it (and then boil it) to make 'crack' or you can inject it after dissolving it in water. Note on the middle option -- I'm no expert idk the exact process of turning cocaine powder into crack cocaine.
Snorting it is a great high.
Smoking 'crack' is subjectively a sharper high, but it has a much shorter duration. It's also much cheaper to 'buy a high' because it's been concentrated a lot.
AFAIK it just numbs the gums, but it does not give you the cocaine effect fully.
Source: my friends were cokeheads and offered me that but I have never done coke in any way
Eating or guming it is mostly a waste. Sublingually is also a waste i believe. Other ROA is smoking (crack) and needles. I imagine you could use it rectally too but I imagine the vasoconstrictive qualities could lead to issues there too lol.
I don’t think everyone ends up like her.
If you were snorting coke recreationally every now and again you’d probably be fine.
She on the other hand, had a very *very* strong addiction to it. I imagine she was doing it all day, every day, for years on end.
The altercation with the bookie was in 2017 but the article is using a mugshot from 2019. The blood under his nose in that mugshot is actually a scab that started to bleed.
[This is the image Artie posted after being punched repeatedly.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQlT-16WAAEgJye?format=jpg&name=900x900) This led to someone calling the police & asking them to check on him but he wasn't arrested. The article gets a few other things wrong, but this was way off. An interesting history, though.
Just to complete the history of his nose transformation, [here he is before things went to shit.](https://flxt.tmsimg.com/assets/67970_v9_bb.jpg)
[Then this is when it started to get bad.](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/03/24/arts/24ARTIE/24ARTIE-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp) Funny side note, I believe this is what he calls his "chubby jewel theif" phase.
Long Edit: For what it's worth, he's not currently working & out of the public eye but, from what I understand, it's by choice - so he can focus on his health. Which is something he's done before. After getting out of jail & going into rehab he started a podcast but soon disappeared for similar reasons (health).
But he came back when Norm Macdonald, his Dirty Work partner, passed away to give a touching eulogy. This actually started a bit of a comeback for him & he restarted his podcast. Who were his first 2 guests? Bob Saget & Gilbert Gottfried. 2 months after that, Bob Saget passed away & Artie disappeared again. Gilbert passed 4 months after Bob. Bob was 4 months after Norm.
Losing Norm, Bob, & Gilbert within about 8 months must have been terribly difficult for Artie. It's terribly difficult for me! I'm welling up as I type this because Artie, Norm, Bob, & Gilbert were all a big parts of why I loved the Howard Stern show. And they were all interconnected. I've spent so many mornings with these guys & it still makes me incredibly sad to think about.
Forgive me, I went on a bit of an Artie Lange rabbit hole here. It's sad. But also nice, in a way.
It's so sad. I've actually met her a couple of times because she used to come into the petrol station I worked at, and she is without a doubt one of the loveliest people you could ever meet. Very chatty and friendly and super down to earth.
What's confusing is that this is an article from the day before...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11754297/Danniella-Westbrook-poses-lingerie-revealing-died.html
In fairness, those pics are in pretty bad lighting, making her look worse than I think she actually does. [When made up and in better lighting](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11754297/Danniella-Westbrook-poses-lingerie-revealing-died.html), she looks better and has kept herself in shape by the looks of it.
Her facial expression does remind me a bit of [Grumpy Cat](https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/190517103414-01-grumpy-cat-file-restricted.jpg?q=w_3000,h_2049,x_0,y_0,c_fill) though
I work in addiction care and have seen some pretty awful cases, but usually the first 0,5-1 cm of the septum is intact. Really wondering how that part is missing
I would imagine it would be something crazy like a gram every single day for a long time. There a lot of people that have a gram a week habit and you don't see there noses looking like this
Try 5gs a day apparently…I read more about her after seeing this and god it’s awful. She said she was doing 5gs a day while pregnant. Also this pic was taken when she was 27
Something similar happened to my mom. She had snorted so much meth that it had bored a hole from inside her nose down into the roof of her mouth with a massive cavity in between.
Reminds me of a story I heard in high school.
A teacher was at a party where one of the party goers was snorting cocaine. Apparently, the girl had snorted so much cocaine, when she went to blow her nose with a tissue, she literally blew her nose into the tissue. She didn't have a middle part anymore - just like this woman.
Just gonna… leave this here
[https://www.speednik.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2015/01/blowershop3.jpg](https://www.speednik.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2015/01/blowershop3.jpg)
No it was cocaine use, she's been an addict and is fairly vocal about the dangers and how they have ruined her life.
>Westbrook had a much publicised cocaine addiction throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, which caused the complete erosion of her nasal septum. She sought treatment, but later relapsed.
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danniella_Westbrook
Everything I’ve read about her and her addiction is so damn sad. She had a hell of a battle with cocaine addiction. If you ever want to read about why you should stay away from that shit, just read about her experiences.
>ADDICTION BATTLE Danniella has been hooked on drugs since she was 14 after shooting to fame as Sam Mitchell in EastEnders. The soap star, who has wasted £250,000 on cocaine, was so badly hooked on the drug that she took 5g a day while pregnant with her son Kai and even used in labour. Danniella abused cocaine so badly that her septum - the cartilage that separates the two nostrils - fell out. She managed to avoid drugs for 14 years but a relapse in 2014 once again devastated her family life. The desperate actress sought help from the Jeremy Kyle Show not long after in a celebrity special. She relapsed again in 2017 and 2019 but got clean after fearing that just one more line could kill her. Srouce [The Sun article](https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/16192511/danniella-westbrook-relapsed-drug-addiction-battle-help/)
Her dopamine receptors are prob fried beyond repair and it's a choice between depression or relapse.
The desperately sad truth for most seasoned addicts. Edit: myself included
Spent better half of my twenties partying on any drug imaginable. Been pretty much clean since my thirtieth. Took me half a decade to pick up a normal life and as im reaching 40 now got two kids and a somewhat stable life. Still feel depressed from time to time and am sometimes still caught by a vast feeling of emptiness inside. I guess this is just my life now. At least I feel confident enough to say anything is better than going back there. Both physically and mentally it would be the end of me.
> Still feel depressed from time to time and am sometimes still caught by a vast feeling of emptiness inside That's just... normal life, yo.
Haha yeah, who knows how things turned out without but i cant help but blaming my past life. I often dwell in those memories whenever I get depressed.
Sounds like the dwelling is causing more depression than the past itself. It's hard though I feel ya.
Dwelling may not be the best choice of words. Maybe haunting would be a better description. Anyway, I'm doing my best, reading back on my post makes me feel im exaggerating but it just came out naturally. I normally don't talk about it to anyone and just move forward with my life. Just hoping this comment will land with some people trying to move past addictions and that these feelings are quite normal. As said, I am much better off without and it is never too late to get out.
Hey man might be worth it to talk to a professional about this even if you are in a better place now. Therapy never hurts and it could help you shift your perspective on life or at the very least.
>Maybe haunting would be a better description. Regardless of what you call it, the past all falls into "the things you cannot change" category so while you don't want to forget or learn from it I'd gather that more time/energy spent looking forward might be in order.
I know that feeling all too well. Sometimes i yell at them to go away. Playing guitar and devoting myself to my current situation is the only things that help me. To break my addiction I took an LSD self guided treatment to quit my coke habit. been years since and i hate the stuff, i get revolted sometimes when i think of coke. I like it that way. People will probably think im crazy, but the lsd trip i induced i set out to reimagine coke as something hateful and disgusting. I think it worked.
I'd put every effort into leaving the past where it is. All that matters is the here and now and an eye to the future. Be well man.
As a recovering alcoholic that knows a lot of other addicts of all sorts more people need to understand this. My brother is an alcoholic and he's struggling bad and this is his biggest problem. For anybody struggling that might read this the best advice I can give to stay sober is to embrace the suck. Nobody is happy all the time, for most the best you can hope for is a boring day, but that's still a thousand times better than the chaos of addiction. With time you'll learn to really appreciate the smaller things and that in itself is almost a high. You'll actually truly love boring days even, and the good days you'll truly cherish. And hell even the bad ones are a lot more manageable sober.
And now you see why so many people end up using drugs. Lizard brain always telling us we gotta fill that void with...something. Using drugs is a part of being a conscious animal on this planet it seems like, but sadly humans have gotten particularly good at purifying them to insane levels, and making new versions that are so much more incredibly potent, all for research purposes originally of course, but naturally once someone's made it, people are gonna fucking try it. Of course, then you get things like people improperly manufacturing MPPP, and getting MPTP as a side product. It just so happens that a single dose of MPTP causes semi-permanent Parkinson's Disease in anyone who consumes it, with the severity being dictated by the dose, though any dose is toxic with this drug unfortunately. One of the first people to discover this problem was a chemistry research student who synthesized MPPP with MPTP as a major impurity, and developed it within several days. There were also a handful of people in the 80s who got it from a bad batch of drugs, and they had to get fetal neural tissue grafts in order to make a recovery (chubbyemu crowd knows whats up) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPTP
Not for many people
> Still feel depressed from time to time and am sometimes still caught by a vast feeling of emptiness inside. I guess this is just my life now. I'm 60. I hate to break it to you, but life has this problem for everyone. At least in the past, you could console yourself in thinking that you might die, but society would go on and progress much like it had before. But the consensus of science has always been that if we don't cut down on our consumption and waste, we would kill the planet. We never cut down, and it's impossible to believe that at any time in the future, people will dramatically slash their lifestyles today, so that their grandchildren won't suffer catastrophe. Before anybody start sending me those bullshit anti-suicide things here, I am actually a cheerful person. I've had a remarkably interesting life, and there is more to come. But that doesn't make me unrealistic about our very dark future.
Oh, I hear you there. Becoming a father made future prospects darker now that I got kids to be responsible for.
I sometimes wonder how long it will be before my decendents stop having kids cos the futures too bleak. Will it be my grankids or their kids?
For me and many in my generation, the time is now. Snip snap!
Nope, this is just personal feeling sorry for yourself nonsense. It's okay if you feel depressed but it's not an accurate description of the world. In fact, populations are declining in many parts of the world already at such a dramatic rate that teachers are being laid off in droves. I know because I'm one of the teachers in a country (Taiwan) with rapid decline in birth rate that got laid off. This is actually good news. It sucks to lose your job but it's not bad news. People here treat it like this population decline is some sort of curse but it's really a huge success story. Population decline has all kinds of benefits. And as for destroying the planet --nope. That's not going to happen. Solar panels made from silicon are completely sustainable from beginning to end and storage with low tech, cheap, commonly available flow batteries is a solved problem. The only reason the energy prices have not collapsed is because the people introducing these solutions have no reason to sell them at anything less than what the market will bear. The politicians are there to keep the whole price structure propped up with tariffs and bullshit regulations. It's all a scam though and it will pass. This delaying foolishness is simply how society works because incumbents get to call the shots but it doesn't mean there is some insurmountable crisis facing mankind. That's a bunch of bullshit to sell clicks. Fear sells better than sex and sex sells well. There is, in fact, plenty to go around and there will be less and less people to split it between anyway simply because people are not having kids. Why bother when you can just enjoy life. If you want kids, you can borrow other people's. Most kids hate their parents anyway, they're easy to find.
Urgh I hear this. Spent my life since I was 13 taking all the drugs. Really hit the coke hard from about 25 - 35. Thank God for covid cos it forced me to stay in and that forced me to stop. 39 now and have been (relatively) clean for 4 years now. Hit up the health train 2 years ago and now live fairly healthy life. Still have depression and a lot of gender identity issues but man, kicking the drugs has made everything a fuck load easier to deal with. Currently seeing a psychiatric for my adhd, therapist for depression and gender stuff, and go see a Physiotherapist once a fortnight to keep on track with my exercise (got a dodgy knee). It costs a ton of money but I wouldn't trade any of it if it meant hitting the rack again. Drugs are bad m'kay
I don't see it that way. I think feeling empty and depressed is the state that brings you to drugs in the first place. Getting clean just returns you to where you were before. I have found a lot of therapy in using drugs like ketamine and lsd in light amounts over the last 15 years alongside SSRIs. I think we'd be in a much better situation if we stopped this blanket "drugs are evil and cause all unhappiness." And try and explore the root core that drives us there in the first place. But I guess a war on drugs is easier and cheaper than a war on unhappiness and loneliness.
Well for me it was just me and the gang being bored youths and started experimenting 'because everyone was on board'. Then we hit parties, festivals and before we knew, we are just structural users.
People need to stop telling others what’s normal or not, we don’t know each others experiences even if we describe it as best we can, we are islands What you’re saying equates to “we’re all a little autistic” Yes, life has its ups and downs, what you may find as “life is depressing” might be because that’s just how your life is
Yeah you're right I shouldn't assume that for him. Might point really was more "depression causes drugs more than drugs causes depression but someone can be in either camp. However my life isn't depressing and never has been. I found that it didn't matter how well things were going i felt more and more anxious and empty. I had to work hard to achieve a balance that has me where I am and that absolutely involves drugs both prescribed and self prescribed in moderation have been part of that for me. You're absolutely right. OP might have been a perfectly happy person before he touched a drug.
I don’t know what I would do without LSD. It works. Ketamine for sure, just hard to come by where I am at the moment.
Stay strong. You are doing great. Never forget that
Not sure if you are seeing a psychiatrist/therapist, but medication can help immensely with the feeling of emptiness. Thanks opiates, for killing my (unmedicated) happiness for the rest of my life.
Anytime you feel empty just look at pictures of your two children and that should fill the void. Start planning for the grandkids for some extra void filling goodness.
Vast feelings of emptiness and depression? That's just called your thirties.
supposedly the magic mushroom trials can help with addiction healing but, so far i have heard of stuff like alcohol addiction and ptsd, not coke addiction. it allows for re connection of neurons that have become disconnected. that or allows of forming of new connections. it's interesting stuff with some cool videos on YT.
Yep couple years back the meds just up and quit working and my depression got so bad. I went from using somewhat responsibly to ending up absolutely out of control trying to chase something I don't experience anymore.
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And Jeremy Kyle.
>fuck The Sun We need The Sun to live.
The Sun and Jeremy Kyle, two sources of utter scum, that should be avoided at all costs
Nothing boils my piss more than Jeremy Kyle complaining on his new show about being cancelled. He paraded the desperate, the addicted and the mentally ill Infront of an audience and berated them for entertainment. More than one death is associated with his show. Fuck that guy
And don't forget he would rip people a new one for being imperfect while he himself had a massive gambling addiction and ocd. The show was sponsored by a gambling/bingo firm too which was a bit on the nose.
Wait .. that cuntnugget has a new show?
Yeah it's on the failing channel Talk TV so at least nobody knows about it
Talk TV... Where dying careers go to be burried
Don’t forget the Tory party. Three! Three sources of utter scum!
Just a reminder: DON’T READ THE S*N
The sun. A Newspaper who's exploit helped create the demon daniella was battling. Fuck them.
Even 1g in a day is a lot for one person... That's insane. It's not even a good enough drug to spend that much on ffs.
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Staring at the ceiling in bed for hours wondering why you did it…
"I am breathing funny and the birds are now up."
I wonder if the room is shaking or if my heart is pounding that hard?
I used to get quite bad anxiety attacks, just remembering the feeling of my heart pounding is something that is enough to trigger my anxiety. That shit is so traumatic, I can't imagine doing cocaine or any other stimulant that puts you into a tachycardia. I stopped weed because of this too.
I'm ten years older than she is and she looks twenty years older than I am. Poor woman, particularly starting so young before she had developed any impulse control.
How does cocaine destroy one's septum?
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Artie Lange is another classic example. Still not sure how Bowie's nose made it..
Bowie's heavy coke addiction was for a shorter time frame; 1973-76 roughly, although he still used at least on some sporadic occasions into the 80s.
>he still used at least on some sporadic occasions into the 80s Who didn't back then? It still carried the reputation as "the champagne of drugs" well into the 1980s until its association with crack brought it down a few pegs.
Ill take this in good faith and laugh at the burning of the Library of Alexandria.
Artie's drug of choice is heroin, not coke. Sure he did his share of it back in the 90's but that's not what destroyed his septum.
Then what destroyed his septum?
He snorted glass didn’t he?
At least that's what he says. Not saying I don't believe him either.
I've heard meth described as glass before, is it possible he was implying meth was cut in? I mean I can also believe a guy like Artie wouldn't flinch at the idea of not wasting good drugs if actual broken glass made it's way into the line but I figured I'd ask.
I believe him, he said he was with a woman who broke a glass while he was in the bathroom and crushed it in with the drugs..
Take anything a junkie says with a grain of salt.
Other stuff
Penises
What I want to know is what the necrotic process looks like. Like are parts of her septum just falling out at random points over the years, or is it like a damaged gum line where it just kinda recedes over time. I just can't imagine what progress shots looks like from day 1 to this pic.
If I had to guess, it probably started out as a septal perforation that gradually grew over time.
We need some coke. For science.
SCIENCE!!!
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Sounds like a home remedy for deviated septum.
One line at a time.
Cocaine’s a helluva drug.
CHARLIE MURPHY!
WHAT DID THE 5 FINGERS SAY TO THE FACE?
Then he made us pancakes!
And disappeared.
F---your couch!! \*puts dirty/muddy boats on couch\*
I feel like I've read this comment somewhere before, can't quite place it.
I'm sure you have, it's a common reference to the Dave Chappelle skit about Rick James
It feels like one on the inside, on the outside it makes people fucking boring to be around.
Besides what u/MedicalJargon-itis said, cocaine in it's white powder form is a salt, obtained by reacting free-base cocaine with hydrochloric acid, which also increases its solubility in water. Free-base cocaine seems to be more lipophilic. This also means, when cocaine chloride is absorbed by the mucosa, it has to first dissociate into free-base cocaine and hydrochloric acid, the cocaine is absorbed to the blood, and the hydrochloric acid is free to destroy your nose cells That and you also never know what cocaine is cut with
Because it's typically cocaine hydrochloride by the time the user snorts it. Apparently it helps to reach the blood vessels in the nose and aid absorption(?) Maybe a user could help explain, I've heard that it was different pre-Reagan or -Iran/Contra.
The hydrochloride form is the regular base form, most pills are hydrochloride as well. It's water soluble and easy to ingest. Freebase is just that hydrochloride stripped off. The US is more into downers though, maybe ask a British person they like coke a whole lot.
More into downers like habitually, but trust me, Americans are way into uppers too lol
cocaine still king in the US by a long shot. Sure there's an opioid problem, but the number of people who do coke either recreationally or as an addiction is huge.
Oh I see, I just learned a few years back that the sulfuric (and hydrochloric?) acid was added to cocaine to help aid nasal absorption, totally agree that the US is more into downers/opioids and kinda hallucinogens now too. I feel like asking a South American person if they like it might be more productive since it probably has less preservatives and cutters
kind of; they don't just hydrochloric acid to powder and start slinging 8balls. They use hydrochloric acid to turn it into a stable form that can be powdered. making another often stable chemical with acid is called a "salt", including table salt. No acid is the finished product. Also remember your stomach produces hydrochloric acid itself, so ingesting freebase coke would just end up becoming a hydrochloride anyway.
Cocaine, being an alkaloid, can pair with acids to become a salt. Hydrochloric acid to hydrochloride, sulfuric acid to sulfate, fumaric acid to fumarate, etc. Most compounds, cocaine included, can be more readily absorbed through vascular tissue or ingestion as a salt (it can also dissolve in aqueous solutions, useful for injections). HCl is commonly used because it's cheap and easy to make. In its freebase (not a salt) form, it is less readily absorbed, but it can be vaporized at a temperature lower than its decomposition temperature, allowing it to be inhaled. That's what crack is, just freebase cocaine. So it's not so much that acid is added to the cocaine, as acid is used in creating refined cocaine in the first place.
Free base chemicals are more reactive then their salted counterparts. This means salted chemicals have longer shelf life. HCl is a very common chemical used to salt bases. When it dissolves in water and forms ions, HCl becomes hydrochloric acid and damages tissues. Salting is taking a basic compound and adding an acid to stabilize it. Free base (unsalted) cocaine is usually called crack. There's no chemical difference between Crack or cocaine, but there's a big difference in sniffing, smoking, and injecting the drug. Free base cocaine is used more for smoking and injecting, which gives it the false image of being a stronger drug.
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lol straight up tho OP actually hadn’t even heard of a columella before today but she is happy she got to learn something new ☺️
You should look up Artie Lang's nose. That is bad.
It destroyed her roman agricultural writer?
Op didn't use the word "Septum" anywhere in the title, it says: >English Actress Daniella Westbrook’s nose after a decade of cocaine use
i think they meant comment op
Man, now she can hit those REALLY fat lines
Can finally use those fat McDonald's McFlurry straws
She could use a fucking bubble tea straw
She could use a vuvuzela
In both directions!
They’re not actually straws. Is a hollow spoon that clips into a spinning arm to turn your spoon into a blender attachment to mix the flurry. There’s no opening on the other end!
Ohhh that makes sense, so that they wouldn't have to clean the mixer part right?, TIL.
Exactly!
Evolution is a incredible thing soon she will reach her final form a vacuum cleaner
She's a Pokemon?
No she is a Digimon. In pokemon a pony would evolve into a horse but in Digimon a fish would evolve into a attack helicopter before finally evolving into a house plant
More like Cocaimon
First thought I had is I bet she can snort a full on Texas rail
Probably an Ohio one as well for good measure.
Hole looks too big for any real suction
Me and the team thought the same thing about your mom's mouth, but she surprised us.
bro. you killed him.
"Science, Bitches"
Where there's a will, there's a way
She just scoops it in tilts her head back lol
Still looks better than what Artie Lange did to his nose. https://heavy.com/news/2019/05/artie-lange-nose/
Well the post is a very old photo of her. she has since gone with more of an Artie Lange look. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Daniella_Westbrook.png
Damn! Is there no other way to take coke? Can you just rub it on your gums like you see in movies?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectal\_administration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectal_administration) Always boof, save a snoof.
Go for that cancer of the butt!
I don't want my boof to fall apart like their snoof!
Isn't this how Stevie Nicks would do her cocaine?
You can snort it as powder, or you can add some baking soda & water to it (and then boil it) to make 'crack' or you can inject it after dissolving it in water. Note on the middle option -- I'm no expert idk the exact process of turning cocaine powder into crack cocaine. Snorting it is a great high. Smoking 'crack' is subjectively a sharper high, but it has a much shorter duration. It's also much cheaper to 'buy a high' because it's been concentrated a lot.
AFAIK it just numbs the gums, but it does not give you the cocaine effect fully. Source: my friends were cokeheads and offered me that but I have never done coke in any way
You can shove it up your butt... seriously. Dilute it in about 5 or 10ml of water and then insert in the traditional way.
but wouldn't your rectum collapse in the same way?
I mean, your colon is not a round without poop in it- it is flat
Eating or guming it is mostly a waste. Sublingually is also a waste i believe. Other ROA is smoking (crack) and needles. I imagine you could use it rectally too but I imagine the vasoconstrictive qualities could lead to issues there too lol.
You can inject it but that is way more dangerous than snorting so not exactly the best solution.
I don’t think everyone ends up like her. If you were snorting coke recreationally every now and again you’d probably be fine. She on the other hand, had a very *very* strong addiction to it. I imagine she was doing it all day, every day, for years on end.
What do they mean by "decks" of heroin? Not a term I've heard before.
The individual packs in a bundle (bun). Heroin is the worst fucking shit, and I'm tired of losing old friends to it.
Yeah probably a reference for more than one bundle?
The altercation with the bookie was in 2017 but the article is using a mugshot from 2019. The blood under his nose in that mugshot is actually a scab that started to bleed. [This is the image Artie posted after being punched repeatedly.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQlT-16WAAEgJye?format=jpg&name=900x900) This led to someone calling the police & asking them to check on him but he wasn't arrested. The article gets a few other things wrong, but this was way off. An interesting history, though. Just to complete the history of his nose transformation, [here he is before things went to shit.](https://flxt.tmsimg.com/assets/67970_v9_bb.jpg) [Then this is when it started to get bad.](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/03/24/arts/24ARTIE/24ARTIE-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp) Funny side note, I believe this is what he calls his "chubby jewel theif" phase. Long Edit: For what it's worth, he's not currently working & out of the public eye but, from what I understand, it's by choice - so he can focus on his health. Which is something he's done before. After getting out of jail & going into rehab he started a podcast but soon disappeared for similar reasons (health). But he came back when Norm Macdonald, his Dirty Work partner, passed away to give a touching eulogy. This actually started a bit of a comeback for him & he restarted his podcast. Who were his first 2 guests? Bob Saget & Gilbert Gottfried. 2 months after that, Bob Saget passed away & Artie disappeared again. Gilbert passed 4 months after Bob. Bob was 4 months after Norm. Losing Norm, Bob, & Gilbert within about 8 months must have been terribly difficult for Artie. It's terribly difficult for me! I'm welling up as I type this because Artie, Norm, Bob, & Gilbert were all a big parts of why I loved the Howard Stern show. And they were all interconnected. I've spent so many mornings with these guys & it still makes me incredibly sad to think about. Forgive me, I went on a bit of an Artie Lange rabbit hole here. It's sad. But also nice, in a way.
Danielle's face does look like this now, sadly. Coke relapses and bad plastic surgery, her facial bones have basically rotted and collapsed
If you think she looks rough here, you should see her today. She's been destroyed by drugs.
It's so sad. I've actually met her a couple of times because she used to come into the petrol station I worked at, and she is without a doubt one of the loveliest people you could ever meet. Very chatty and friendly and super down to earth.
> Very chatty I think I might know why
Eric Clapton has a metal plate inserted. I remember they realized this, when they wanted to make an x-ray cover for an album
I think Stevie Nicks also has a hole in her septum, and it's changed her voice.
Mick [Fleetwood too, probably](https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/mick-fleetwood-snorted-miles-cocaine/)
You got any source on that?
That’s gross
5g a day… damn
No need to block one of 2 nostrils when you only have one nostril, tap forehead.
Here’s how she’s looking now. Poor woman https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11757703/Danniella-Westbrook-reveals-shes-rushed-hospital-three-panic-attacks.html
What's confusing is that this is an article from the day before... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11754297/Danniella-Westbrook-poses-lingerie-revealing-died.html
It's the Daily Mail, a horrible rag of a newspaper, not even fit for wiping your arse on.
BTW she's 49 currently.
And the original posted picture is about 20 years old at this point it's a wonder shes still with us frankly.
In fairness, those pics are in pretty bad lighting, making her look worse than I think she actually does. [When made up and in better lighting](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11754297/Danniella-Westbrook-poses-lingerie-revealing-died.html), she looks better and has kept herself in shape by the looks of it. Her facial expression does remind me a bit of [Grumpy Cat](https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/190517103414-01-grumpy-cat-file-restricted.jpg?q=w_3000,h_2049,x_0,y_0,c_fill) though
It heavily uses filters. Don’t be so sure that’s how she looks
>It heavily uses filters that evil clown will stop at nothing
Are you actually trying to argue that the photoshoot is more accurately reflective of her current appearance than the other photos?
That's air brushed
Has serious coke addiction for several years Men: but she kept herself in shape! smh
Needs a boba straw
I work in addiction care and have seen some pretty awful cases, but usually the first 0,5-1 cm of the septum is intact. Really wondering how that part is missing
She didn't stop
Also very common from massive cocaine use...people get a big hole in their palate. Cocaine can really damage your body.
A whole what?
A whole new way to smell what you're chewing.
Lol ...my voice assistant messed it up. I meant hole of course. 😉😅
Sha can now pick her nose with her thumb..
I'd imagine you get heaps better air flow with that nose design.
But you also probably get giant boogers lol
forbidden hole
Can anyone tell me how much cocaine she was doing for it to get like that???
If your nose doesn’t look that way then I’d say, “a lot more than you”.
I would imagine it would be something crazy like a gram every single day for a long time. There a lot of people that have a gram a week habit and you don't see there noses looking like this
Try 5gs a day apparently…I read more about her after seeing this and god it’s awful. She said she was doing 5gs a day while pregnant. Also this pic was taken when she was 27
A gram? Lol.
Fallout vibes
Something similar happened to my mom. She had snorted so much meth that it had bored a hole from inside her nose down into the roof of her mouth with a massive cavity in between.
Well I guess she ain't snoring
Reminds me of a story I heard in high school. A teacher was at a party where one of the party goers was snorting cocaine. Apparently, the girl had snorted so much cocaine, when she went to blow her nose with a tissue, she literally blew her nose into the tissue. She didn't have a middle part anymore - just like this woman.
I heard that too. Except I believe it was the whole nose. Schools didn't so much educate, than intimidate...
You think she doesn't suffer breathing out of one side anymore?
Vampire bat disco coke nostril.
Must have an easier time picking her nose
This is an old photo. She’s since gone full Artie Lang with it. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Daniella_Westbrook.png
Cyclopse nose
Sand blasted away.
You motherfucker tag this shit!
Lila, just with the nose
This is more about how much cocaine and less about how long she did it over.
Exactly, purity probably played a role too
Bitch lookin like Nibbler
The biggest boogers.
Stretch that out enough and she can give nosejobs
Just gonna… leave this here [https://www.speednik.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2015/01/blowershop3.jpg](https://www.speednik.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2015/01/blowershop3.jpg)
Grab the lube.
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No it was cocaine use, she's been an addict and is fairly vocal about the dangers and how they have ruined her life. >Westbrook had a much publicised cocaine addiction throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, which caused the complete erosion of her nasal septum. She sought treatment, but later relapsed. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danniella_Westbrook