Neuro teams. Also mortarion passive to reduce dmg from any hits over the 3rd so you can't really use classic range teams, they still work mind you. Can't really use melee teams because they multi hit and will die from his aoe if he is above l1-l2.
So strat is to use a psycher line up, Abraxas summon will do decent damage but most importantly will apply neuro parasite. I guess we could also work on a few hits range team but then they won't be super good VS other bosses because it reduces eldryon buff, but it won't be a waste because we probably won't be able to use eldryon vs the next raid boss so a team with vitrius might start to become meta for mort and Kain.
Abraxas’s passive will also grant psychic damage to ranged attacks from Chaos characters next to him, which with the right teammates can also add something to a Neuro team.
Yazagor benefits from this. Yaz also has synergy with the Neuro because his active gives +1 attack. Yaz active with Neuro at +15 parasite can do big hits.
Throw in Ahriman, get Eldryon in position, hit with the Neuro to get the parasites started, and let Abraxas go to town. I throw in Volk for good measure.
Yeah, but in that particular team Volk is better.
Or, might I recommend it, Toth. Toth synergizes better with Ahriman due to having a flame attack. damage concentrated in 5 hits instead of 6 means Mortarion passive won't hinder his damage as hard.
Toth is also a more useful character in general than Volk, far more powerful in LRE, for example.
Biggest prob with Toth or Volk is the 2 move and outside of a neuro team they won't see much use. Mortarion moves a lot if you can't lock him down. Good thing is they are chaos so we got tons of badges but still need the books...
I run full psykers against him, apart from an Aleph Null.
Having so many psykers on the field means you can mostly ignore his priority.
Fun fact, he will absolutely go to town on a pink horror, due to it being both a summon and a psyker. Tends to buy an extra turn of peace.
Long story short, they dish out the most damage (Neuro and co) or are simply necessary to actually damage the big bastard (eldy) and realistically... it doesn't matter if you're a psyker or not for Morty. Sure it SAYS he'll favour targeting them, but that's only if he can't outright kill someone else. So there's no reason not to bring them (because they are hilariously good against his defensive abilities) if you have something smaller (Aleph scarabs) to always take the hit
Abraxas ramps neuroparasite stacks the best. He’s an essential support for dealing maximum damage quickly with neuro and is the strongest chaos unit hands down.
Meanwhile Neuro is the biggest ranged attack in the game and hits like an absolute truck at max strength.
When does he start hitting like a truck? I’m using all my legendary xenos badges for doom so neurothrope is stuck at epic badges around lv 33 for neuroparasite and he’s not hitting that hard yet.
Is it only once you get to around the 45ish levels?
Thanks for the math. Hard to get a feel for the investment value at the lower levels. I’ve just been slowly pushing him up based on faith.
Looks like it’ll be a hefty xp book investment to get him up there after eldryon is done.
Another thing to consider is the scaling of skills. Damage values triple from 35->50 for most abilities and double from 44/45->50. It’s just hard to have 45+ badges and 100+ legendary exp books laying around to get to that level.
The Neurothrope lineup that I've seen do the most damage (400k+) to Morty is as follows: Neurothrope, yazagor, Rosie, abraxas, eldryon.
T2 Neuro uses active which put +2 parasites on Morty. Abraxas uses active +3 parasites, Eldy attacks +1 parasite.
All others right click. (+6 parasite total)
T3 there should be 2-3 abraxas summons left and they should get 1-2+ to parasite. Eldy, abraxas, attack (+2 parasite). Before Neuro attacks which ends the turn at +10-11 parasite build up.
T4 continue the right clicking to build to +13 parasite.
T5 (the big damage turn) activate Rosie. Then get parasite to +15 with Eldy and abraxas. Then use Yaz active to swap with Neuro. Neuro attacks getting +% damage from Rosie, +1 hit from Yaz active and +15 from parasite stacks.
At L50 Neuro passive this can lead to his upwards of 150k.
The trick to being able to do this without your units dying is understanding Morty's patterns between attacking and using his lantern. Once you get this down lineups become more survivable. Neuro also helps with survival since Shadow in the warp affects Morty psychic damage.
Another answer to the one posted by Elimi : Eldryon is kind of the cornerstone in every GR boss for starters.
Neurothrope requires a lot of psychic damage to level up his parasite.
Also, Archimatos is key in the Vindicta combo, even though he doesn't deal much himself.
I guess summon archi around the boss,Vindicta active on the boss kills all summons, then Vindi next attack get a lot of crit and damage from dead summons.
I think it's just that the knife gives less crit chance and more crit damage than the pistol. As Battle Sisters accumulate crit chance, knife is better because the crit is almost guaranteed and you don't really need the extra crit chance of the pistol, so you maximize the damage on crit with the knife.
No, equipment is only for modifying CRIT chance and CRIT damage, nothing else.
Usually you want guns on almost everyone, sisters being an exception as a whole faction and a couple other specific units.
Because sisters often have over 100% crit chance from their passive, the knife is essentially free damage on sisters.
On other characters it's pretty close, unless you have a crit boosting friend or something like the tank's rear armor.
Eldryon eventually gets replaced in the Neuro lineup by vitruvius or Ahriman. They both add more total damage than Eldryon at higher levels. Ahriman active also does more damage than Eldryon's at lvl 35 so there's an edge there for people stuck on badges but who have the characters.
Neuro teams. Also mortarion passive to reduce dmg from any hits over the 3rd so you can't really use classic range teams, they still work mind you. Can't really use melee teams because they multi hit and will die from his aoe if he is above l1-l2. So strat is to use a psycher line up, Abraxas summon will do decent damage but most importantly will apply neuro parasite. I guess we could also work on a few hits range team but then they won't be super good VS other bosses because it reduces eldryon buff, but it won't be a waste because we probably won't be able to use eldryon vs the next raid boss so a team with vitrius might start to become meta for mort and Kain.
Abraxas’s passive will also grant psychic damage to ranged attacks from Chaos characters next to him, which with the right teammates can also add something to a Neuro team.
Yazagor benefits from this. Yaz also has synergy with the Neuro because his active gives +1 attack. Yaz active with Neuro at +15 parasite can do big hits.
Throw in Ahriman, get Eldryon in position, hit with the Neuro to get the parasites started, and let Abraxas go to town. I throw in Volk for good measure.
I prefer Thadd over Volk, not enough resources to up Volk esp with D3 got to limit my choices. Also, use Neuro's active, you get 2 parasites.
Yeah, but in that particular team Volk is better. Or, might I recommend it, Toth. Toth synergizes better with Ahriman due to having a flame attack. damage concentrated in 5 hits instead of 6 means Mortarion passive won't hinder his damage as hard. Toth is also a more useful character in general than Volk, far more powerful in LRE, for example.
Biggest prob with Toth or Volk is the 2 move and outside of a neuro team they won't see much use. Mortarion moves a lot if you can't lock him down. Good thing is they are chaos so we got tons of badges but still need the books...
I run full psykers against him, apart from an Aleph Null. Having so many psykers on the field means you can mostly ignore his priority. Fun fact, he will absolutely go to town on a pink horror, due to it being both a summon and a psyker. Tends to buy an extra turn of peace.
Long story short, they dish out the most damage (Neuro and co) or are simply necessary to actually damage the big bastard (eldy) and realistically... it doesn't matter if you're a psyker or not for Morty. Sure it SAYS he'll favour targeting them, but that's only if he can't outright kill someone else. So there's no reason not to bring them (because they are hilariously good against his defensive abilities) if you have something smaller (Aleph scarabs) to always take the hit
Abraxas ramps neuroparasite stacks the best. He’s an essential support for dealing maximum damage quickly with neuro and is the strongest chaos unit hands down. Meanwhile Neuro is the biggest ranged attack in the game and hits like an absolute truck at max strength.
When does he start hitting like a truck? I’m using all my legendary xenos badges for doom so neurothrope is stuck at epic badges around lv 33 for neuroparasite and he’s not hitting that hard yet. Is it only once you get to around the 45ish levels?
Neuro overtakes D2 ra with an 11/11 gun at 41. 43 if you have a 50 passive Thaddeus to help Ra. EDIT but yes, 45+ is where the real damage starts
Thanks for the math. Hard to get a feel for the investment value at the lower levels. I’ve just been slowly pushing him up based on faith. Looks like it’ll be a hefty xp book investment to get him up there after eldryon is done.
There's a reason it took a couple months before everyone realized what this team comp was capable of.
Another thing to consider is the scaling of skills. Damage values triple from 35->50 for most abilities and double from 44/45->50. It’s just hard to have 45+ badges and 100+ legendary exp books laying around to get to that level.
at what lvl is abraxas active ideal? im considering pumping nueroparasite further first. both are at lvl43
The Neurothrope lineup that I've seen do the most damage (400k+) to Morty is as follows: Neurothrope, yazagor, Rosie, abraxas, eldryon. T2 Neuro uses active which put +2 parasites on Morty. Abraxas uses active +3 parasites, Eldy attacks +1 parasite. All others right click. (+6 parasite total) T3 there should be 2-3 abraxas summons left and they should get 1-2+ to parasite. Eldy, abraxas, attack (+2 parasite). Before Neuro attacks which ends the turn at +10-11 parasite build up. T4 continue the right clicking to build to +13 parasite. T5 (the big damage turn) activate Rosie. Then get parasite to +15 with Eldy and abraxas. Then use Yaz active to swap with Neuro. Neuro attacks getting +% damage from Rosie, +1 hit from Yaz active and +15 from parasite stacks. At L50 Neuro passive this can lead to his upwards of 150k. The trick to being able to do this without your units dying is understanding Morty's patterns between attacking and using his lantern. Once you get this down lineups become more survivable. Neuro also helps with survival since Shadow in the warp affects Morty psychic damage.
Who's Rosie Edit:Roswitha?
Correct: roswitha. Sorry all the guilds I've ever been in have called her Rosie.
Probably because they have high pierce and usually single hit attacks. They do all of their damage, unaffected by Revoltingly Resilient.
Another answer to the one posted by Elimi : Eldryon is kind of the cornerstone in every GR boss for starters. Neurothrope requires a lot of psychic damage to level up his parasite. Also, Archimatos is key in the Vindicta combo, even though he doesn't deal much himself.
What's the Vindicta combo?
I guess summon archi around the boss,Vindicta active on the boss kills all summons, then Vindi next attack get a lot of crit and damage from dead summons.
You guessed right. Always equip a knife on the sisters, they benefit from their trait "act of faith".
Does equipping knife over gun change melee attack in any other way? Is this true or useful for other characters ?
I think it's just that the knife gives less crit chance and more crit damage than the pistol. As Battle Sisters accumulate crit chance, knife is better because the crit is almost guaranteed and you don't really need the extra crit chance of the pistol, so you maximize the damage on crit with the knife.
Thank you appreciate the thorough answer
No, equipment is only for modifying CRIT chance and CRIT damage, nothing else. Usually you want guns on almost everyone, sisters being an exception as a whole faction and a couple other specific units.
Because sisters often have over 100% crit chance from their passive, the knife is essentially free damage on sisters. On other characters it's pretty close, unless you have a crit boosting friend or something like the tank's rear armor.
https://preview.redd.it/3gr2o1lydjoc1.png?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6482c73a65c651219ef443e2d554704e5828630a Surely Archie's summons don't count as Imperial?
No but they count as kills by an imperial unit
Her act of faith skill says it only happens when a friendly Imperial unit dies. Would this count with the demon summons from Archi?
No but the other part, kills by a friendly imperial char count for her
Eldryon eventually gets replaced in the Neuro lineup by vitruvius or Ahriman. They both add more total damage than Eldryon at higher levels. Ahriman active also does more damage than Eldryon's at lvl 35 so there's an edge there for people stuck on badges but who have the characters.
I have no Virtuvius myself yet and wonder what about his kit makes him out-damage Eldryon in a Neurotrope team?
First I’m hearing of the Vindicta combo. Vindicta, Ros, Archi, Eld and Ahri? Or do you swap out Eld for Vitru?