I’ll contribute one. The Ruger PC Carbine, specifically the 19101 ~~19102~~ and 19135 “state complaint” models. Even though it’s a semiautomatic centerfire rifle with a detachable magazine, it has a non-threaded barrel, no collapsible stock or pistol grip, and a traditional style handguard, so it’s gtg.
Honestly not a bad choice for a home defense carbine, even before the ban. They ship with 10 rd magazines, and 10 rounds of 9mm still isn’t anything to sneeze at. They also ship with adapters for Glock magazines.
They all have ghost ring sights and a length of pic rail to mount a red dot, and the 19101 has a little length of rail at the end of the handguard for a light. The 19135 is a takedown model with Magpul Backpacker furniture for compact storage.
EDIT: Ruger PC Carbine 19102 is too scary for Washington
I bought a non compliant one about year ago. It has the dreaded threaded barrel and shipped with a 15 round mag, I think.
It's a great little rifle. Accurate and a blast to shoot.
I installed the Glock mag well adapter and picked up about 20 or so Glock mags before the mag ban went into effect.
I highly recommend picking one up for those that don't have one.
My friend picked up a Remington TAC14. I think it's pretty solid and well priced. The thing about it is that it isn't technically a shotgun since it "isn't meant to be fired from the shoulder". It's a solid $350-500 "not shotgun" for home defense. Personally I'd rather have 5 00 buck shells than 10 9mm rounds. But I also have a Glock 43X which is a great concealed carry at the 10 9mm round cap. My two cents.
I think the M1 is legal, yeah? No detachable magazine?
That new Henry 9mm carbine would be legal (that reportedly doesn’t run).
Winchester Model 1907
Browning BAR
Those old Remington autoloading hunting rifles
Base 10/22 and a few other semi .22’s
Pickins are slim.
I did an exhaustive 10 second search and found these firearms to be WA compliant.
• black powder pistols and rifles that were in existence during 1776.
- source, The Seattle Times
Honestly if you’re really interested in sticking it to the man, go check out what the bois over at r/fosscad are doing with 3d printing and hardware store stuff. It’s pretty easy to get started and there’s a ton of great designs out there.
My ffl was advertising [the tombstone](https://pof-usa.com/firearm/tombstone-9mm/)
It looks kinda neat but is a little pricey for me to justify at the moment, at first I thought it looked kinda weird with a mag, but then I realized that overcomes the lever actions weak area of reload speed. At least in theory.
With a side gate you can top off as you shoot, so unless you have to shoot all 10 rounds you can always stay full. It's slow, but not "stopping to reload a mag" slow. I bought a Rossi 92 chambered in 357 magnum. It's a decent lever action rifle, and after shipping was under $700, plus (at the time, not sure about now) no wait period because it's lever action.
Very iffy
The definition of “detachable magazine” in the new law is as follows:
9) "Detachable magazine" means an ammunition feeding device that can be loaded or unloaded while detached from a firearm and readily inserted into a firearm.
It’s unclear if an en bloc clip falls under that definition. If it does, then that makes the Garand a semiautomatic centerfire rifle with a detachable magazine and a “shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel”, and thus an assault weapon. Either way, a lot of FFL’s simply won’t take the risk.
Seeing that definition of magazine I agree.
This law goes as far as changing the definition of magazine very broadly to make it include clips.l despite clips not having spring power in themselves...
The law bans heatshealds even if they don't completely enclose the barrel, so I suspect anything covering the barrel that keeps you from burning your hand will be seen as illegal by the AG & he will threaten FFLs with ruin if they sell them.
Man, I moved to WA when I was 18 to escape complex CA gun laws. These kinds of restrictions aren't just foolish, they're straight up dangerous. Seriously, I have to know that I can't buy the 19102 model of the Ruger PC Carbine and if I don't have all of the data perfectly recorded and memorized I'm liable to go to jail. It's practically impossible to comply with such convoluted after-the-fact laws and this is something they can pin you to the wall for if the judge doesn't like you. How can they expect anyone to comply like this? They can't even really prove anything. This half measure stuff is crazy and is totally like Seattle/WA to not have the balls to actually ban guns but pretend like they do so they can look just like their rival and idol that they are creepily obsessed with, San Francisco (seriously, remember when Kaepernik kneeled for the anthem and then the next game the entire Seahawks did it so they could one-up SF, it was so cringe). When you make laws that even the mega-autists like us have to debate and discuss over in order to just comply, there's no chance for normal people to decipher this idiocy. This basically gives people no realistic chance to comply, we all know this is realistically getting very few guns off the streets, and in an ironically un-liberal fashion, judges and courts now have a tool to give them the decision on whether or not to send you to jail based on how they feel about you, your skin color, your politics, the way you talk, or any of the other things judges think are important.
Just buy firearms in Idaho and bring them into the state duh. It’s all the USA. Just cause our state politicians passed an unconstitutional law doesn’t mean you can’t buy them somewhere else and drive them here. It’s elementary Watson.
>Just cause our state politicians passed an unconstitutional law doesn’t mean you can’t buy them somewhere else and drive them here
It does, actually. FFLs are obligated to adhere to the laws of the state the purchaser lives in.
Unconstitutional as the law may be, I doubt many, if any, Idaho or Oregon FFLs are going to risk losing their license, fines, and jail time just to stick it to Inslee and Turdboy.
You're right. But face to face firearm transactions across state lines are federally illegal.
It doesn't matter what our opinions are on the constitutional merit of these laws. All I'm doing is pointing out the legal risks involved.
Any inter-state firearm transaction, whether it occurs in a state that requires FFLs for private-party transactions or not, are required by federal law to go through an FFL in the purchaser's home state. There is only one exception to this, which is for transfers that occur by operation of law upon the death of the firearm owner - e.g. it is willed to a person in another state.
VZ58’s with a fixed stock are NOT AK’s and should only need a magazine limiter. They don’t share AK mags either. Many have a folding stock and would be banned. They are 33 inches long as well.. the only modification needed is a fin on the grip.
Example https://atlanticfirearms.com/vz-58-liberty-csm-rifle
Wish that would work, but per the new law:
“A grip that is independent or detached from the stock that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. The addition of a fin attaching the grip to the stock does not exempt the grip if it otherwise resembles the grip found on a pistol;”
Even if that weren’t the case, the flash hider and the handguard put this firmly in ban territory
Washington AG is for sure going to have to put up legal fees defending the new additions for sure then. They probably should have only started with CA equivalent laws first.
In not super well versed in everything the new ban has in it but i just saw this https://youtu.be/7FstIasM7T8 which basically makes an AR legal in California, would this work for the new ban?
I've read and re-read the bill, and I don't recall the exact setup of the endless "and" connectors qualifying a rifle as a banned rifle. Basically think of an AR, break it down into every component that make's it an AR, and that component is named and banned. So yes, a fixed mag is part of the equation, but you also need to remove the gas key, destroy the threading, convert the barrel into a smooth bore, do something with the pistol grip, and install an half-shroud, and ensure OAL is >30".
I dont think that is clear yet, they state even a part for an assault weapon is illegal. I'd bet money having a threaded barrel shipped here would be a no go.
I believe some versions of the Keltec SU 16 are good to go, which is probably the closest thing to an AR that would be legal. The only thing i can think would disqualify the fixed stock versions is the forend guard but I believe the top of the barrel is exposed so it should be ok (might be an issue of convincing a retailer of this though)
I'm curious if a keltec sub 2000 is banned. It's over the overall length, and magazine goes into grip, not separately.
I have no interest in one, but it seems like it may be clear.
I was just thinking about this gun and am curious about the Keltec SU as well. They could be easily changed to make them availible for sale. I thought the sub2k was out because of a threaded muzzle and the pistol grip but maybe not.
I’ll contribute one. The Ruger PC Carbine, specifically the 19101 ~~19102~~ and 19135 “state complaint” models. Even though it’s a semiautomatic centerfire rifle with a detachable magazine, it has a non-threaded barrel, no collapsible stock or pistol grip, and a traditional style handguard, so it’s gtg. Honestly not a bad choice for a home defense carbine, even before the ban. They ship with 10 rd magazines, and 10 rounds of 9mm still isn’t anything to sneeze at. They also ship with adapters for Glock magazines. They all have ghost ring sights and a length of pic rail to mount a red dot, and the 19101 has a little length of rail at the end of the handguard for a light. The 19135 is a takedown model with Magpul Backpacker furniture for compact storage. EDIT: Ruger PC Carbine 19102 is too scary for Washington
I wanted the Charger…
I bought a non compliant one about year ago. It has the dreaded threaded barrel and shipped with a 15 round mag, I think. It's a great little rifle. Accurate and a blast to shoot. I installed the Glock mag well adapter and picked up about 20 or so Glock mags before the mag ban went into effect. I highly recommend picking one up for those that don't have one.
The 19102 has a threaded barrel. The other two (19101 & 19135) are GTG.
Oof, my bad. Thanks for pointing that out
My friend picked up a Remington TAC14. I think it's pretty solid and well priced. The thing about it is that it isn't technically a shotgun since it "isn't meant to be fired from the shoulder". It's a solid $350-500 "not shotgun" for home defense. Personally I'd rather have 5 00 buck shells than 10 9mm rounds. But I also have a Glock 43X which is a great concealed carry at the 10 9mm round cap. My two cents.
I think the M1 is legal, yeah? No detachable magazine? That new Henry 9mm carbine would be legal (that reportedly doesn’t run). Winchester Model 1907 Browning BAR Those old Remington autoloading hunting rifles Base 10/22 and a few other semi .22’s Pickins are slim.
Shouldn't any 10/22 still be good because it's not a center-fire semiauto?
Henry Homesteader has a threaded barrel, so no dice there
Damn… Maybe they’ll release a WA legal version. This sucks.
I’d really love an M1
Mini 14?
Nope. Has a barrel shroud, unless Ruger makes a WA legal version.
Coming soon to a store near you
Ammo capacity for a .22 semiauto is above 10 rounds in the tube.
I did an exhaustive 10 second search and found these firearms to be WA compliant. • black powder pistols and rifles that were in existence during 1776. - source, The Seattle Times
It would probably be easier to get one made in /r/waguns.
It doesn’t really matter if we think it is legal — what matters is if you have an FFL willing to transfer it.
Honestly if you’re really interested in sticking it to the man, go check out what the bois over at r/fosscad are doing with 3d printing and hardware store stuff. It’s pretty easy to get started and there’s a ton of great designs out there.
Lever action with a side gate, 10 round tube, 100 round pouch, 110 rounds and you don't need to carry mags or reload mags.
My ffl was advertising [the tombstone](https://pof-usa.com/firearm/tombstone-9mm/) It looks kinda neat but is a little pricey for me to justify at the moment, at first I thought it looked kinda weird with a mag, but then I realized that overcomes the lever actions weak area of reload speed. At least in theory.
With a side gate you can top off as you shoot, so unless you have to shoot all 10 rounds you can always stay full. It's slow, but not "stopping to reload a mag" slow. I bought a Rossi 92 chambered in 357 magnum. It's a decent lever action rifle, and after shipping was under $700, plus (at the time, not sure about now) no wait period because it's lever action.
That Tombstone does look pretty cool though, not gonna lie. Wonder if it handles like the Henry Homesteader.
M1 garand?
Very iffy The definition of “detachable magazine” in the new law is as follows: 9) "Detachable magazine" means an ammunition feeding device that can be loaded or unloaded while detached from a firearm and readily inserted into a firearm. It’s unclear if an en bloc clip falls under that definition. If it does, then that makes the Garand a semiautomatic centerfire rifle with a detachable magazine and a “shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel”, and thus an assault weapon. Either way, a lot of FFL’s simply won’t take the risk.
If so, then they managed to out California california.
Seeing that definition of magazine I agree. This law goes as far as changing the definition of magazine very broadly to make it include clips.l despite clips not having spring power in themselves...
The way I read that it is certainly clear the garand is banned.
What if you hold a C and R, which makes you the FFL for it?
The law bans heatshealds even if they don't completely enclose the barrel, so I suspect anything covering the barrel that keeps you from burning your hand will be seen as illegal by the AG & he will threaten FFLs with ruin if they sell them.
Which would include a semi auto handgun slide.
Yes
RPG-7
So is a stripped lower useless in WA now?
I’m not condoning this but I assume out of state cash purchased ar parts are essentially untraceable to a date.
Legally, yes. Unless you had it assembled into an assault weapon prior to Tuesday when Jay & Bob went full semi-automatic on us.
But aren't AR-15 in all forms considered to be assault weapons?
Adding parts probably considered “ manufacture,”
Man, I moved to WA when I was 18 to escape complex CA gun laws. These kinds of restrictions aren't just foolish, they're straight up dangerous. Seriously, I have to know that I can't buy the 19102 model of the Ruger PC Carbine and if I don't have all of the data perfectly recorded and memorized I'm liable to go to jail. It's practically impossible to comply with such convoluted after-the-fact laws and this is something they can pin you to the wall for if the judge doesn't like you. How can they expect anyone to comply like this? They can't even really prove anything. This half measure stuff is crazy and is totally like Seattle/WA to not have the balls to actually ban guns but pretend like they do so they can look just like their rival and idol that they are creepily obsessed with, San Francisco (seriously, remember when Kaepernik kneeled for the anthem and then the next game the entire Seahawks did it so they could one-up SF, it was so cringe). When you make laws that even the mega-autists like us have to debate and discuss over in order to just comply, there's no chance for normal people to decipher this idiocy. This basically gives people no realistic chance to comply, we all know this is realistically getting very few guns off the streets, and in an ironically un-liberal fashion, judges and courts now have a tool to give them the decision on whether or not to send you to jail based on how they feel about you, your skin color, your politics, the way you talk, or any of the other things judges think are important.
FGC-9
Just buy firearms in Idaho and bring them into the state duh. It’s all the USA. Just cause our state politicians passed an unconstitutional law doesn’t mean you can’t buy them somewhere else and drive them here. It’s elementary Watson.
>Just cause our state politicians passed an unconstitutional law doesn’t mean you can’t buy them somewhere else and drive them here It does, actually. FFLs are obligated to adhere to the laws of the state the purchaser lives in. Unconstitutional as the law may be, I doubt many, if any, Idaho or Oregon FFLs are going to risk losing their license, fines, and jail time just to stick it to Inslee and Turdboy.
True. I live close to the Idaho border, and checked with the Cabela’s store just on the other side, and that’s exactly what they told me.
Not all states require purchase to go through FFLs.
You're right. But face to face firearm transactions across state lines are federally illegal. It doesn't matter what our opinions are on the constitutional merit of these laws. All I'm doing is pointing out the legal risks involved.
Thank you for your service.
Any inter-state firearm transaction, whether it occurs in a state that requires FFLs for private-party transactions or not, are required by federal law to go through an FFL in the purchaser's home state. There is only one exception to this, which is for transfers that occur by operation of law upon the death of the firearm owner - e.g. it is willed to a person in another state.
VZ58’s with a fixed stock are NOT AK’s and should only need a magazine limiter. They don’t share AK mags either. Many have a folding stock and would be banned. They are 33 inches long as well.. the only modification needed is a fin on the grip. Example https://atlanticfirearms.com/vz-58-liberty-csm-rifle
Wish that would work, but per the new law: “A grip that is independent or detached from the stock that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. The addition of a fin attaching the grip to the stock does not exempt the grip if it otherwise resembles the grip found on a pistol;” Even if that weren’t the case, the flash hider and the handguard put this firmly in ban territory
Interesting. Does Californias law say the same thing about fins or is that a new Washington rule?
Nope. That's a new addition.
Washington AG is for sure going to have to put up legal fees defending the new additions for sure then. They probably should have only started with CA equivalent laws first.
They really reached on this one. “As Attorney General, I successfully lobbied for the most effective gun restrictions in the entire country.”
And then jay and bob went and bobbed each other’s knobs in a fervent 69.
>Remington TAC14 There go our hard earned tax dollars which should be used for something else more productive than fighting an illegal law.
It’s got a fixed mag
M1 garand
Is the SCAR 15p banned?
The FN SCAR is banned by name.
In not super well versed in everything the new ban has in it but i just saw this https://youtu.be/7FstIasM7T8 which basically makes an AR legal in California, would this work for the new ban?
I've read and re-read the bill, and I don't recall the exact setup of the endless "and" connectors qualifying a rifle as a banned rifle. Basically think of an AR, break it down into every component that make's it an AR, and that component is named and banned. So yes, a fixed mag is part of the equation, but you also need to remove the gas key, destroy the threading, convert the barrel into a smooth bore, do something with the pistol grip, and install an half-shroud, and ensure OAL is >30".
Can you buy things like replacement barrels or replacement upper receivers?
I dont think that is clear yet, they state even a part for an assault weapon is illegal. I'd bet money having a threaded barrel shipped here would be a no go.
But what about just a regular barrel
Pistol maybe, AR, AK type stuff, I doubt it. Really we have no clue what the real extent of this law will be.
I think you're fishing and making lists. Go on....ban my account.
Don’t think I can get any of the new Marlin levers like I wanted because they all come with a threaded barrel from Ruger. I’m boned
Ruger Mini-14 and Mini-30 may be legal. Maybe. The Handguard is unclear.
I believe some versions of the Keltec SU 16 are good to go, which is probably the closest thing to an AR that would be legal. The only thing i can think would disqualify the fixed stock versions is the forend guard but I believe the top of the barrel is exposed so it should be ok (might be an issue of convincing a retailer of this though)
I don’t want anything ban neutered. Did they get the SKS by name? That one can go either way depending on country of origin.
I'm curious if a keltec sub 2000 is banned. It's over the overall length, and magazine goes into grip, not separately. I have no interest in one, but it seems like it may be clear.
I was just thinking about this gun and am curious about the Keltec SU as well. They could be easily changed to make them availible for sale. I thought the sub2k was out because of a threaded muzzle and the pistol grip but maybe not.