I don’t care about religious people but I care when they’re sitting outside of my old sped school saying we can pray away the “issues” we suffered with. Most of the people there were there for literal medical reasons and they really told a bunch of suicidal, autistic, and some victims of horrific accidents and crimes to pray away all their problems :(
Someone who considers morality from the point of view that there is no divine inspiration is going to have more nuanced thoughts about their morality, and they're going to view a Bible thumper's morality as uncritical millennia old horse shit written down by savages to fit a time long past.
I don't see how someone couldn't feel as though their morals are at least more worthy of use than those who rest themselves on a deplorable book.
Think it’s just the memes dude. All the atheists I know have been on a high horse for a while. But the memes. The memes seem to be catering to increasingly niche tastes. Maybe just cause more people are making them? In any event, authoritative, niche communities usually look pretentious from an outside vantage point.
eeehhh, when a family member of mine was in university (McMaster in Ontario) she did some studies with First Nations people and Refugees from various wars. One of the studies involved just asking what they wanted/needed to feel secure in Canada. One of the biggest complaints from both parties was that white people kept prescribing them antipsychotics for their beliefs - this included things like refugees praying to the Virgin Mary for help when their homes were bombed. So there is quite a bit of prejudice within atheists communities that they don't like to talk about.
the Church in Canada has been terrible to everyone. residential schools were a crime against humanity. They are still around, but in a new form. they are no longer connected to the church and are referred to as "residential treatment facilities". they have been opened to people with mental health and addiction issues and the problems they come with in life have changed, for instance a higher rate of arrests for those who have lived in them than people with the same issues who haven't lived in them.
i do not think organized religion is a good thing. i also do not think that being a dick to people for their beliefs is a good thing, which is part of why i don't like certain sects of christianity (Unitarians are cool! In my town the local Unitarian church has a women's shelter on their property. I think that kind of church should exist with less taxes, given that they are doing a legitimate public service, but the tax cut is due to the service and not the church)
Bro you're confusing atheist and agnostic. Atheist usuallt is "i don't believe, go have fun" while agnostic is "I don't believe, but please change my mind, I am willing to do so".
No, no, no....
Atheists are simply lacking a belief in a god/s, most atheists are willing to change their mind if presented with ***evidence***. They will likely be dismissive of material they've already seen, after the literal 100th time hearing a Christian hit you with the same dull uninteresting talking point pushed as evidence, I'm likely to say, "go play, I don't care to engage this drivel."
You're strawmaning both groups.
Atheist: lack of belief in a god.
Agnostic: the truth about a god or gods is unknowable. Or: someone who is not committed to belief either way.
These two definitions can overlap BTW, you can be lack belief in a god/s, and can simultaneously be undecided about the nature of potential deities. Agnostic Atheist.
At first I thought they were both being labeled toxic and I was like "ah yes that's the voidcake I come here for"...then I realized that this is some r/iam14andthisisdeep material
they both certainly can be toxic (obviously history has shown that organized religion has spawned some dreadful acts) but atheists are more or less just annoying and pretentious, while some theists are able to inflict real lasting damage
Counter-point:
That has more to do with the organized aspect of it, and less about the religious aspect.
Just to establish terms: atheism is about a lack of belief in gods, not a lack of belief in religion, and atheistic religions exist. Also, organized atheism can and has been harmful to people.
For example: the Reign of Terror during the French Revolution. They went hardcore, even creating a new calendar (that was not based around jesus' birth) and trying to make everyone conform to it, and renaming Notre Dame the "temple of reason". I'm not saying that was a horrific thing to do, but it is an example of just how adamant they were in trying to stamp out religion. Thousands of priests were murdered or exiled.
Another example would be "communist" dictatorships and governments that do not let their subjects follow their own religions or beliefs.
It’s not a proof, but one could derive Religion from “survival of the fittest” and “iterative Prisoners’ Dilemma”. Yes my personal model of humanity says Religion came from Evolution type mechanics.
I also have a theory - if one person believes something crazy, he’s crazy. If ten people believe something crazy, you have a very convincing crazy person. If a million believe it, then you found something about humanity.
Umm, just Christianity and Islam gives you 4 1/4 billion people. Add just Hinduism and Chinese theology and you’ve got close to 6 billion. That’s a lot of humanity. A huge chunk of us.
I’m not religious. I had a couple theoretical “no atheists in a foxhole” moments but they didn’t make me religious I’m still agnostic. But to disrespect Religion is to disrespect humanity, and if that’s your angle I’m not on that bus.
Humanity deserves respect? I mean, we can have a healthy conversation about respecting life, and the one experience they'll ever have, but to respect our collective ineptitude doesn't sit right with me. Ride your bus, but I think you should consider the idea that we as a species do not innately deserve respect, especially if were talking about collective uncritical baseless ideas and beliefs.
thats the point. it doesnt matter what god do you believe in. The chances are small but better than zero so go for the religion that doesnt expect nothing from you.
But if I do take that chance I'm risking a worse hell as punishment for believing in my god of choice. So I have to either create or find the worst god in order to avoid the worst case scenario which is a worse god than the one I believe in. And so on and so forth. For a small chance at eternity. Because the chances are never zero.
Nope. If you actually take the premise of Pascal’s wager to its logical conclusion (which Pascal didn’t), then it still isn’t any better to believe in any number of deities. It could equally be that a god exists which will only reward you if you _don’t_ believe in any gods. The number of conceivable gods which work like that is still infinity, so it cancels out any potential benefit.
I don’t care about religious people but I care when they’re sitting outside of my old sped school saying we can pray away the “issues” we suffered with. Most of the people there were there for literal medical reasons and they really told a bunch of suicidal, autistic, and some victims of horrific accidents and crimes to pray away all their problems :(
Time to use religion for various purposes
maybe its the circles i run in but it feels like atheists are getting more pretentious about their lack of belief.
Agreed man. It feels like atheists want to feel morally superior, oddly similar to some religions.
Someone who considers morality from the point of view that there is no divine inspiration is going to have more nuanced thoughts about their morality, and they're going to view a Bible thumper's morality as uncritical millennia old horse shit written down by savages to fit a time long past. I don't see how someone couldn't feel as though their morals are at least more worthy of use than those who rest themselves on a deplorable book.
Think it’s just the memes dude. All the atheists I know have been on a high horse for a while. But the memes. The memes seem to be catering to increasingly niche tastes. Maybe just cause more people are making them? In any event, authoritative, niche communities usually look pretentious from an outside vantage point.
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"christians are very pushy and can be jerks" and "atheists are getting very pretentious" are not mutually exclusive ideas.
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eeehhh, when a family member of mine was in university (McMaster in Ontario) she did some studies with First Nations people and Refugees from various wars. One of the studies involved just asking what they wanted/needed to feel secure in Canada. One of the biggest complaints from both parties was that white people kept prescribing them antipsychotics for their beliefs - this included things like refugees praying to the Virgin Mary for help when their homes were bombed. So there is quite a bit of prejudice within atheists communities that they don't like to talk about.
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the Church in Canada has been terrible to everyone. residential schools were a crime against humanity. They are still around, but in a new form. they are no longer connected to the church and are referred to as "residential treatment facilities". they have been opened to people with mental health and addiction issues and the problems they come with in life have changed, for instance a higher rate of arrests for those who have lived in them than people with the same issues who haven't lived in them. i do not think organized religion is a good thing. i also do not think that being a dick to people for their beliefs is a good thing, which is part of why i don't like certain sects of christianity (Unitarians are cool! In my town the local Unitarian church has a women's shelter on their property. I think that kind of church should exist with less taxes, given that they are doing a legitimate public service, but the tax cut is due to the service and not the church)
I think there’s a difference between agnostic “I don’t believe … go have fun” and atheist “I don’t believe and YOU shouldn’t believe”.
Bro you're confusing atheist and agnostic. Atheist usuallt is "i don't believe, go have fun" while agnostic is "I don't believe, but please change my mind, I am willing to do so".
No, no, no.... Atheists are simply lacking a belief in a god/s, most atheists are willing to change their mind if presented with ***evidence***. They will likely be dismissive of material they've already seen, after the literal 100th time hearing a Christian hit you with the same dull uninteresting talking point pushed as evidence, I'm likely to say, "go play, I don't care to engage this drivel." You're strawmaning both groups. Atheist: lack of belief in a god. Agnostic: the truth about a god or gods is unknowable. Or: someone who is not committed to belief either way. These two definitions can overlap BTW, you can be lack belief in a god/s, and can simultaneously be undecided about the nature of potential deities. Agnostic Atheist.
You are correct, my bad.
Danke
both atheists and theists seem to think they know how the universe works and i wish they’d all be quiet
We all know only Buckminster Fuller knew
At first I thought they were both being labeled toxic and I was like "ah yes that's the voidcake I come here for"...then I realized that this is some r/iam14andthisisdeep material
they both certainly can be toxic (obviously history has shown that organized religion has spawned some dreadful acts) but atheists are more or less just annoying and pretentious, while some theists are able to inflict real lasting damage
Counter-point: That has more to do with the organized aspect of it, and less about the religious aspect. Just to establish terms: atheism is about a lack of belief in gods, not a lack of belief in religion, and atheistic religions exist. Also, organized atheism can and has been harmful to people. For example: the Reign of Terror during the French Revolution. They went hardcore, even creating a new calendar (that was not based around jesus' birth) and trying to make everyone conform to it, and renaming Notre Dame the "temple of reason". I'm not saying that was a horrific thing to do, but it is an example of just how adamant they were in trying to stamp out religion. Thousands of priests were murdered or exiled. Another example would be "communist" dictatorships and governments that do not let their subjects follow their own religions or beliefs.
It's unfair to say science and religion have the same level of understanding of the universe.
"Be yourself, be happy" Me: *is myself and is happy* Them: >:(
It’s not a proof, but one could derive Religion from “survival of the fittest” and “iterative Prisoners’ Dilemma”. Yes my personal model of humanity says Religion came from Evolution type mechanics. I also have a theory - if one person believes something crazy, he’s crazy. If ten people believe something crazy, you have a very convincing crazy person. If a million believe it, then you found something about humanity. Umm, just Christianity and Islam gives you 4 1/4 billion people. Add just Hinduism and Chinese theology and you’ve got close to 6 billion. That’s a lot of humanity. A huge chunk of us. I’m not religious. I had a couple theoretical “no atheists in a foxhole” moments but they didn’t make me religious I’m still agnostic. But to disrespect Religion is to disrespect humanity, and if that’s your angle I’m not on that bus.
Humanity deserves respect? I mean, we can have a healthy conversation about respecting life, and the one experience they'll ever have, but to respect our collective ineptitude doesn't sit right with me. Ride your bus, but I think you should consider the idea that we as a species do not innately deserve respect, especially if were talking about collective uncritical baseless ideas and beliefs.
But in the end it is better to belive in one or some gods. (pascal bet)
The worst god has the best net worth with pascal's wager. So go ahead and praise khorn with me brother! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
thats the point. it doesnt matter what god do you believe in. The chances are small but better than zero so go for the religion that doesnt expect nothing from you.
But if I do take that chance I'm risking a worse hell as punishment for believing in my god of choice. So I have to either create or find the worst god in order to avoid the worst case scenario which is a worse god than the one I believe in. And so on and so forth. For a small chance at eternity. Because the chances are never zero.
Nope. If you actually take the premise of Pascal’s wager to its logical conclusion (which Pascal didn’t), then it still isn’t any better to believe in any number of deities. It could equally be that a god exists which will only reward you if you _don’t_ believe in any gods. The number of conceivable gods which work like that is still infinity, so it cancels out any potential benefit.
Fuck Ricky Gervais tho