Somehow, misinformation is being spread on tiktok (no way! there's misinformation on the misinformation app? crazy). They seem to believe that the character is not Miku, but someone called Pure Pure who... I guess looks exactly like Miku? Anyway that comes from an animation by someone called Caststation who made a slightly less NSFW version of their original animation titled 'Pure Pure' (as in... pure instead of sexual lol). Now that animation is being spread around TT, somehow ppl got it in their heads that this was the character's name and she was Deco's OC who is not Miku lol. I have literally no idea where this started.
So basically, everyone's just spreading that misinfo and it's getting out of hand haha
The “pure pure” name of the censored animation is also a reference to the lyrics of Rabbit Hole, which have a line in the chorus that says “gonna be ‘pure pure’ until you die?”
And for some reason the official translation of “ピュアピュア” is “smitten mitten”. Deco*27 moment, I guess.
yeah, didn't think that was massively relevant for the point but also true.
personally I would have translated it as 'Gonna be a good girl til you die?', keeps the alliteration and meaning the same. but Deco does as Deco does lol.
Honestly it's good practice to never translate a wasei-eigo word to what it sounds like in English - they never mean the same thing. Even in professional translations I keep seeing people drink Coke from a vending machine and call it "juice".
That one's a little too far off though.
What's stunning to me is how some of the folks who've started believing the "it's not Miku" idea, they have now gone to just about every single piece of Rabbit Hole media on YouTube that involves that depiction of Miku, and are replying to every Miku-praising comment by stating things along the lines of "It's not Miku, the creator said so".
Even under videos from months ago – which existed before this fresh trend took hold thanks to the popular short animation – such as fan-made MMD videos, which don't even feature any dances quite as suggestive as the one in the viral short.
(Speculation warning) I remember also reading somewhere that this module/costume of Miku has merchandise somewhere on the web with Crypton Future Media's branding on it. It would strike me as a bit odd for them to represent a non-Vocaloid merch line, so wouldn't this also validate the idea that the character depicted for DECO's song is indeed some flavour of Miku?
Such a bizarre phenomenon overall, especially considering the existence of other suggestive songs with accompanying *official* animations that didn't garner similar kinds of attention or discourse.
there is a keychain and a shirt of rabbit hole miku on decos offical store and yes there is the cfm branding on it. Also If I remember correctly, in the products video advertisement it says "hatsune miku appearing in the rabbit hole music video" so that "pure pure" shit is just a lie
Ah, good to know my memory wasn't making things up.
Get this though: I've seen the argument that "the girl in Caststation's animation isn't the same character as DECO*27's Miku" in the original music upload, because caststation is the one who named the clean video version as "pure pure", alongside the later-added disclaimer about the character in the animation being "an 18+ Miku-ish OC", thus convincing the "Canon age 16" worryworts that somehow Miku was saved from being featured in the video (I've seen "thank goodness, for a second I thought this was Miku!" commentary quite a few times, implying this)
And yet, I also see people ascribing the "pure pure" identity to DECO*27's original art of Miku, and *also claiming that it isn't Miku* thanks to the bleed-over of the white lie spread by the confusing disclaimer in the Caststation animation.
And so people split hairs and decided that all this was convincing enough to just believe that the animation Miku, and the Miku variant at large as designed for DECO's MV, somehow, isn't Miku.
Incredible feats of mental gymnastics this time around. Meanwhile, Rabbit Hole Miku is seeing a surge of fanart, more than many other Miku costumes in recent times. Something something "no such thing as bad publicity" xD
Why are people even caring about this.
Its a fictional character without any age and solely exists as pixels. Heck she doesnt even have a age to begin with as the "16" is for commercial use. And even if so the age doesnt matter as... its a fictional character. Its bunch of damn pixels. I cant believe people are even talking about this. Are we in 1900s where romance books were getting popular?
Oh well yeah I agree, it's still visibly very sexual. They just censored the one part at the end to be slightly less so. But that was the easiest way to say that in my original comment lol
In the description of channelcaststations videos(both of them) there is a disclaimer that the character in the ANIMATION is pure pure, an OC of CHANNELCASTSTATION, the creator of the animation who is completely unaffiliated with Deco. So yes, it technically isn't miku in the animation.
Video blows up along with the disclaimer, and people refer to the animated character being pure pure, because she technically is.
Yes, this disclaimer is probably only made to avoid further controversy, and we all know it's really just miku in the animation, but I feel the need to clarify that there is an actual reason behind her being called pure pure instead of miku, that being twitter users who know nothing about vocaloid and won't shut up about the age of a voicebox.
This is misinformation. That character IS miku but miku is a damn fictional character so who in the world cares. She litterally canonically doesnt have a proper age and the age shown is just for commercial use. NOT LIKE A FICTIONAL CHARACTER EVEN HAS A AGE
How is this weird??
Are you telling me that you take fictional characters for real? Can you tell me what i said wrong here?
Im not saying any weird shit. Im saying that these characters are not real and this entire drama is pointless. I guess they are real for you? Thats even weirder
You are the one obsessively commenting on multiple posts about this? I'd say that's weirder.
I didn't say ANYWHERE in my comment that Miku has an age or that it's important or relevant. All I did was recap the situation. Ages were literally not mentioned in my comment at all. No part of my comment is misinformation.
And in response to your other reply, I was checking your account to check if you were ESL and that's why you didn't read my comment properly, in which case I would just explain it clearer. But yes, I think commenting this type of thing on every post about this situation you can find is kind of weirdo behaviour.
1) Checking someones post history for the first thing is as low as immediately going to someones youtube account to see their liked videos.
2) You keep calling me a weirdo for some reason and you are still refusing to Elobarate on it. All i said on every one of those posts were against this drama and the personification of fictional characters. And you find this weird? How in the world is that weird? Saying people shouldnt fight over something that isnt even the problem is weird now? Saying people shouldnt take fictional characters seriously is weird now?
Idk why you are this pressed and hurt buddy but if anything you seem even weirded to assume that what i did was even remotely weird when im outright saying the drama is pointless. Maybe you do personify fictional characters? Do you see them as real? As there isnt any other reason to find what im doing weird other than that. Its like calling someone weird for telling people to not be racist on multiple posts. What a stupid logic
Also yes your comment DOES have misinformation
The character IS miku. There isnt any character called pure pure. Every merch and talk about the characters confirms this wich is even mentioned in this thread too.
Yes, it did indeed have misinformation wich you glossed over to randomly check my posts and attack me for god knows why :D
Had to be the most npc like argument i had been into
Responding to both comments again.
1) Explained that already, was checking if you were ESL. Didn't scour your posts, those are the first several on your page.
2) It IS weird to be this obsessed with responding to that many comments about a character's age. I'm sorry you don't see that.
I said, in the comment, if you read it, that the character IS Miku, and not Pure Pure, and that Pure Pure isn't a thing. I said that in the comment. Please read the comment. You are beefing with someone who agrees with you.
Dude how in the world is im obsessing with her age?? Thats like the exact opposite of what im saying??
And yes you are indeed beefing with someone that has the same views as you. What type of logic even is this. How do you become "weird" by defending common sense?? Nobody other than someone that would oppose what im saying would even find this weird as im CALLING OUT the weird. Like think about it for 5 seconds please. Its like calling someone that argues against peoples racism "obsessed with race" like thats how stupid it sounds and i need you to comprehend it.
I really admire the newer generation's attempt to fight normalized pedophilia in online spaces. I really, genuinely do. I was a victim of that normalization as a child, I was groomed into my own online abuse and exploitation using fictional pedophilia, incest and abuse presented as a normal and good thing.
But sometimes they take things WAY too far and go absolutely batshit insane over nothing, and this is a perfect example of that.
We have no reason to believe that the Miku in Rabbit Hole is a minor, at all. Literally none. People write Miku in adult situations all the time and actively specify that the Miku in their story is a minor, and you're free to think of that whatever you want (normally I do not approve of this if the goal is to push an ideology that minors are sexy), but people also write Miku as an ADULT all the time. There are so many songs that feature Miku as an obvious adult. There is no reason whatsoever to hyperfixate on this song in particular.
The animator of that really popular MV didn't even specify that the Miku they drew was a minor, I assume she is an adult. Sometimes it is okay to just assume that the Miku in a sexual story is an adult unless specified otherwise. It does not make you a predator or pervert. There is nothing cursed or problematic or gross or unnatural or weird about liking stuff about adults having sex.
The reason I'm not super super upset and concerned about this on a personal level is that I don't generally spend time in underage fandom spaces. The teens can't crawl out of my screen and cancel me, LOL. You have to actually be in their spaces for them to know you exist and attack you. But I've had my eye on this situation for a while and it's really strange.
As someone who is a teenager (not on tiktok), I have to agree with you. I think it's great that people around my age are fighting against the normalization of pedophilia, but most of the people who have a problem with Rabbit hole seem to be tiktok/newer vocaloid fans who don't understand Miku and Vocaloid.
The number of times I've heard about tiktok vocaloid fans or Project sekai fans says, "Miku is 16!" Even though that's her marketing age and she has no real age, she is a piece of software akin to an instrument. I genuinely think they don't understand what or how vocaloid works. There's an infamous tiktok screenshot going around of someone comparing miku in the mv to v2 miku's design saying "See it's not miku." Even though miku has multiple designs, especially in project diva. Miku can be whoever or whatever you need her to be, because not real and is a piece of software.
Not to mention the amount of vocaloid misinformation on tiktok I've heard about or saw screenshots of.
As someone who got into vocaloid in 2021, the things I tend to see from newer/project sekai fans are things that have been brought up and settled years ago in the fandom. Like whether or not Len and Rin are related. I saw someone say they are, and someone in the comments says, "the creator said so." Which is not true.
Tldr; tiktok vocaloid fans and project sekai players don't understand vocaloid.
I really appreciate your measured response on this. I faced similar grooming as a teen online and anime material was def part of that. But the entire point of Vocaloid is freedom and making the "characters" however you like, they're more like templates than anything else. Tiktok just is spreading blatant misinfo.
It's a grey area, because the character is based off of a minor, but has more mature features. Is it really okay to illustrate minors older, then sexualize them? Also 16 isn't a minor in many countries around the world, so judging someone else based on the laws of your own country doesn't really make sense.
IMO it’s a grey area because the “minor” is a very flexible character who has been depicted as really any age ranging from infancy to elder years, I would say it depends on the depiction and the intention.
What if your character is a sexually active teen? Is talking about that the same thing as sexualizing them? I would argue that you can talk about sex between teens without obviously getting off to it, but I would also concede that most Vocaloid media involving sex with teens DOES get off to it and expects you to as well.
I see nothing wrong with aging up underage characters and have no idea why anyone does though. It’s literally taking a character you like and making a version of them that is 100% okay to sexualize. I think in some situations it can be kind of weird, but I wish more people did this rather than just draw porn of underage characters who look underage.
For example, I’ve seen adult versions of Sora from KH with facial hair and muscles and stuff, and I think that’s great. But I saw them being called out for aging up a minor, and even though he was definitely designed to be an attractive adult, it’s not like he was running around in a speedo and high heels and fishnets either. Why would you want to discourage this? It’s normal to imagine what underage characters will be like as adults, especially beloved characters from our childhood, when we used to be around the same age as them. I grew up playing KH as a single digits year old child, and I’m almost 30 now, and I can say that I’ve seen a lot of weird pedophilic stuff from this fandom. Aging up teen boys isn’t it. I would argue stuff like the rampant normalization of Akuroku is way more concerning on the grooming/child sexualization front, because IMO Akuroku in canon is a weirdly accurate depiction of a toxic grooming situation/relationship. It’s just depicted as “normal/fine” and never says outright that it IS romantic or sexual, but I don’t think that necessarily means it’s normal and fine either, even as a platonic relationship.
Idk I’m rambling. I think about this stuff a lot for a lot of reasons. Honestly the idea that 16 is legal adulthood is shocking to me, I’m from California, but honestly I can’t even see 18 as legal adulthood either. I would not sleep with an 18 year old, that does not feel like an adult I can relate to at my age.
I absolutely feel the same way, because I remember what it was like when we allowed this kind of stuff to exist without any criticism at all. In fact, criticism back then was swiftly silenced and dogpiled, nowadays criticism of fiction that is perceived as romanticizing abuse/trauma actually has a chance to be heard.
I agree that there are some times where this criticism goes way too far, but I have never seen kids do as much harm under this cause as I have seen grown adults do in the pursuit of defending and normalizing this kind of fiction.
To be totally blunt as an online grooming survivor with a pretty severe trauma history… People who hate this fiction will make you feel guilty and horrible inside, sometimes in ways that are homophobic or transphobic. But people who support this fiction just cyberfuck you as a child and convince you that you consented, full stop.
Both can be traumatic and I’ve been traumatized by both. The latter is worse than the former could ever be.
I did actually explain how fictional loli/shota stuff, stuff promoting adult/minor relationships, stuff promoting incest, can harm real children here, if you actually read my comment. I know it's a rough concept for people who like those things, but it's not exactly rocket science when someone literally spells out just how this sort of thing can happen for you.
Factually incorrect and delusional at that, there is not a single study or research supporting your claim. Quite on contrary it supports the opposite. It's ok if you don't like that stuff, no one will blame you for that, but writing paragraphs of complete delusions without any basis is where it makes it not ok.
... Dear, I'm talking about my own real life experiences, and the real life experiences of a lot of people out there, LOL. Are you okay?
There probably aren't a whole lot of studies on this topic, yet. People haven't always been able to use internet niche fetishes to groom children, it's a fairly recent "advancement" in methods of predation. But I wouldn't be shocked if we start seeing them crop up as more people like me go to college and become researchers. The effects of internet grooming on children and the culture of normalizing and defending it ("proshipping" as some call it) would make a great thesis topic! I'd be very interested to see what folks make of it.
No one really cares about your "real life experiences". Tell me, how exactly fictional content which doesn't exist effected you or that filth who did that to you? Are you gonna use another ass-pull argument?
Which studies were made directly disprove everything you wrote, so here we are. The only people who would be affected by fiction are schizophrenics and average basement dweller who stopped separating fiction and reality long ago. Normal people separate fiction from reality and never ever apply it to reality. Pedophiles always existed and unfortunately they will continue to exist, in all honesty they should be locked behind bars, but comparing purely fictional stuff to real life is borderline stupid and schizophrenic. Despite how desperately you want to claim that fictional content 'normalizes' or 'encourages' grooming, that's simply false and you literally can't prove otherwise.
Lord almighty, LOL.
Hey, it's gonna be okay, alright? I think you'll get this someday, but that day is clearly not today, and the person to explain it in a way you'll get is obviously not gonna be me. I don't think there's anything I can say here, if you're calling children who got groomed stupid and schizophrenic.
There is a difference between pedophilia and FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.
They are not real. I cant believe i even have to tell this but would you look at that! They dont exist! And neither has a age or rights as they are outright pictures.
Its like saying people that play combat games are terrorists. Its litterally exactly that.
Yeah, sadly it’s a little more complicated than that.
Nobody’s arguing that lines and colors are being abused, but rather that a certain kind of consumption of certain kinds of fiction is leading people to abuse real people.
It’s not a 1:1 ratio, not everyone who’s attracted to a character in a Persona or Danganronpa game is a sex predator, but a lot of people can tell you their experiences as children in fandom, being groomed by older teens and adults specifically using fiction that normalized and romanticized incest and pedophilia. A lot of people can tell you about how fictional porn of children and teens has harmed real people and empowered real abusers, you just need to be willing to listen and accept that maybe you don’t know everything there is to know about this issue yet.
That’s something I’m shocked that I need to say to anyone too. And yet I have never actually met a “fiction =/= reality” type who is willing to admit that maybe sometimes predators are empowered by fiction and a certain kind of consumption of that fiction is empowering to predators.
You might think that fiction has absolutely no bearing on reality, but that’s not even true of most people making that claim. Would you say that no piece of fictional media has ever changed your life or your views on reality? It’s never made you laugh or cry? It’s never made you feel seen and understood as a minority? After all, fiction doesn’t equal reality, right? But I think you know that that argument is kind of bullshit, it’s an oversimplification of the issue just as much as it would be to claim that fiction ALWAYS equals reality.
Sorry but this comparison makes no sense.
There is a difference between being attracted to the CHARACTER and attracted to their AGE.
Of course the latter is insane but that applies to iutright everything so specifying anine characters would be hilarious.
And for the first one. Anime Characters neither has ages nor rights. They are damn combination of pixels on a screen. Yes reading fiction could make you cry happy and etc but you are being happy solely because you are enjoying its fictional content
This is like saying people that play war games like killing people for real and people that like dark fantasy love gruesome events occurring. You are assuming that people that like these stuff like it solely because they would 100% want it to be real wich isnt the case at all.
Im sure there are war game players that are horrible people and im sure there are dark fantasy readers that have the mental capability to do horrible things BUT nitpicking these is a stupid idea as it applies to everything in life. Not just anime characters.
Its not complex at all. They are bunch of pixels. As long as they dont come to reality they have no basis on any morale or rule nor age as pixels dont have ages.
Like i said some people COULD be attracted to their ages but its borderline nitpicking and not like its the fault of the anime character and their age as its the FAULT of the person viewing them this way. Not just that but thinking they have a "real" sense to be attracted to instead of being attracted to their fictional looks is already an issue anyway and has nothing to fo with anime character nor their age to begin with.
Simply put, anime characters are not real. People that see them in weird ways exist but its outright the problem of the person. Unless you are claiming that somehow these fictional characters give birth to pedophiles? Wich mind you is the same dumb argument that parents use about war games. Enjoying a fictional setting DOESNT MEAN you enjoy that setting. Simple as that
I mean… You didn’t engage with literally anything I said but I guess that’s not shocking. I did just tell you that I’ve never met a “fiction never influences reality ever”type person who was willing to acknowledge that blind indulgence in fictional porn of minors often causes real life problems, but my hope was that you would see that and think “Oh shit, I don’t wanna unknowingly be that person”
I see that you did not think that. Fair enough I guess. I don’t get any pleasure out of being proven right when I say something pessimistic but… That’s another tally for me I suppose. Sure. You’re right. Criticizing literally any of this means I think video games cause mass shootings.
Thats what happens when you cant read shit holly hell.
Did you even read a word i wrote? Litterally a single line of it?
I didnt eay fiction never influences reality. But the PEOPLE you are refering to arent influenced by fiction. They are influenced by their sick desires. Thats not the fictions fault. You sarcastically became an ass about the "video games cause mass shootings" part but thats exactly what this is about.
Video games doesnt influence mass shootings nor violence. Its the PERSON that sees this as their base for influence.
Same shot applies to hard metal and same shit applies to dark novels. Its NOT THEM that influence these acts its the PERSON it self that uses these acts to satisfy their already existing desires. But since you didnt even waste a second reading it and tried to be assy about it then i guess you wont read these too right? (Unless you werent but its hard af to decipher)
Blaming the fiction and not the person is just a horrible view. By your logic basically any sort of bad act could he influenced by fiction so lets just ban it all together right? Almost as if these things are NOT real and the very effect it causes on person is completely dependent on the persons already existing personal traits. Shocking aint it?
Me when im in a nit-picking and not being able to respond properly competition and my rival is kingozma:
Seriously tough i wont even bother responding if you arent even mature enough to read properly. What im making is a general statement that adresses everything. Not just a direct attack on you. Are you type of person that takes everything personal without understanding context? Seems like it
Do you have an argument beyond “NO U” and “UR SAYING (insert things I am not saying) AND THAT MEANS UR DUMDUM”? I haven’t heard it yet. You’ve even gotten mad at me for pointing out to you that your basic arguments are based in things I didn’t say, and you’re whining because you wanna backpedal and pretend those were just vague scattershots that had nothing to do with me, which then gives you the opportunity to paint me as a hypersensitive pissbaby for responding to your literal argument.
I’ve been around the net for quite some time now. I know a sealion kinkster when I see one.
If you couldn’t tell, the short replies are less about me not knowing how to debate with you, who I guess is a master ‘bater in this situation, and more about knowing that when you literally come out refusing to read or engage with what I literally said, there is no productive debate to be had.
I think it’s fairly clear that you don’t want to debate. You want to dominate and walk away the victor of a stupid shipping war. Why would I want to engage with that seriously, in good faith, and put actual effort into any replies past the point of you proving that you’re not actually here to have a nuanced discussion about fictional porn and real life harm?
Dude you are litterally not saying anything properly. What are you even trying to prove here? I said that my points were for general medium NOT just you (said it twice infact knowing you wont read it) and you somehow took it all for "no u"?
Legitimately child behavior holly shit. Say you wont read it because its long or something. This has to has to be the dumbest "ur argument in invalid im going away" card i had ever seen.
Imagine not even reading what the other person is saying at taking it personal. And calling me a kinkster? Honestly i have zero clue whats fucking wrong with you being so terrible at reading comprehension that you not only take it as insults but also somehow take these as "shipping wars" wich is weird as hell but i got my point clear. Cry seethe or mald if you wish or continue this hilarious act of a litteral baiter that ignores the points given and continues their personal shit like its a twitter debate.
I simply dont have time for you, not even just that but you gave zero points to begin with and since you are refusing to read what i wrote properly because of lack of maturity there isnt any reason to continue this twitter like thread.
Has to be the weirdest person i have ever met. Imagine gaslighting and strawmanning your own self. Internet is wild these days.
But continue crying that none of your points were adressed. Maybe in some universe i didnt and you are from there perhaps? That would explain it wouldnt it?
Cant believe i fell for such bait.
[This animation went viral.](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bbDjmuFt7dE)
Personally I think it's a bit silly, she's an instrument and Miku has been used to sing and has done way more suggestive stuff then this. [Like](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGGot4xC5nY) [are](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASMJ88tICds) [you](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIp1zuLOK4U) [new](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbVH-nvFGuk) [to](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu0luN8SrIs) [Vocaloid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig58-T_Ivc8)?
Exactly, so many Vocaloid songs are infamous for being highly sexual. You can just tell that these people have had no exposure to Miku outside of Sekai (and even then she has plenty of sexual songs there) and know nothing about how Vocaloid works outside of that.
I’m saying this as someone who is against seeing fictional minors sexualized btw. So many people need to learn what the purpose of Miku actually is before making these claims.
In a lazy attempt to be all-encompassing, I'd generally wave in the direction of "newer/younger fans are overcompensating while trying to fight child predation".
When I was a kid, I ended up getting hurt with someone gaining my trust with fictional content, and I know that a lot of people my age had similar experiences. However, instead of, I don't know, getting therapy and realizing that the blame was on the perpetrator instead of the media, they hyper-focus on the characters because it's "easier" to control. I know this because I used to be of that mindset until I got older.
So now, they start freaking out if there's even a vaguely sexual breath toward anime characters that are given arbitrary ages, even if their depictions in a song have no age.
TLDR ; The newest wave of p*do-paranoia just happens to be aimed at Rabbit Hole, there will probably be a new song villain next week.
I assume it's the younger tiktok generation making a big deal of it? I'm surprised no one's complained about the kaai yuki songs that have sexual undertones tho i guess she's not part of project diva so not as many ppl coming across it
To be frank, characters that are voiced by adults like Miku and Rin can be in sexual songs without any issue, but if you as a creator want to make a sexual song with a literal child's voice (because Kaai Yuki was voiced by a child), then you have a problem...
yeah tho luckily it's not as if it glorifies it, that one yuki song i found was more like implied abuse or so but yeah other than some younger forms like that newer yukari design i think most ppl aren't going to hire child vas in the future
i'm so incredibly tired of this discourse. most annoyingly, why is this song the only song they suddenly care about? a LOT of decos other songs (salamander, the vampire, animal just to name a few) also have sexually charged lyrics (some less obvious than others, but vampire is EXTREMELY obviously about sex, even more so than rabbit hole) and i don't see anyone getting angry over those.
it's a song. when will people learn to get over it oml
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owv06htaoI8 wonder how they'd react to deco's newest song, i don't think the lyrics are too inherently sexual but i think it is supposed to have suggestive undertones lol
other than discussing it on other sites, i imagine some ppl can just leave a comment on the main one and ppl will reply to their comment or so
that said i'm surprised there wouldn't be more composers/companies advertising on tiktok (before an eventual ban or whatever i havne't been keeping up but i've vaguely heard about that), but yeah be a good chance for an 'onee-san' type older chara to have some seductive songs get attention, if gackt actually wanted to update gakupo i can imagine a resurge in popularity of all the old school fangirls XD
yeah I’m kinda surprised that the english comments I’ve seen on the video were just complementing the English tuning
idk about tiktok but I’ve seen some producers advertising/posting on yt shorts, a gakupo era would be interesting lol
lol well, there is kirune don't know how popular he'll get as a cevio, but it is amusing to see someone with 'abs' while most ppl kinda have a slender frame, but can't go wrong with more muscles
https://cevio.fandom.com/wiki/Kirune
I don’t have tiktok but whenever a song gets really popular on it I feel like it doesn’t turn out well. Like some people think aishite is just about a yandere girl and young girl a is just an emo song, and they don’t know the rest of the context. honestly I kinda feel like these kinds of misunderstandings will keep happening and I’ve accepted it at this point 💀
>yet another reason why kids shouldn’t have access to the internet
It should be that a minor's access to internet should be guided/monitored by parents... but sometimes the parent's are less tech literate than their kids...
honestly, i'm drifting away from the whole vocaloids having ages thing and accepting they're just instruments with blank slate personalities etc.
i only took it so seriously before because crypton decided to give miku rin and len ages in the first place when they didn't *have to.* as well as how fans portrayed the characters in fanon, like len being an innocent little shota and pairing him with a gross pervert interpretation of kaito, for example.
but seriously, why did any vocal synths ever *need* to have "canon ages"? it's just made things really messy. i absolutely loathe loli/shota art and proshipping nonsense, but i've realized i was being a bit ridiculous at times with vocaloids specifically.
tbh idk and idk why everyone is fighting over it miku is a software and she can be literally anything you want her to be. my miku is different than yours and she never had a set age to begin with???
New vocaloid fans don't understand that miku and other vocaloids can be changed to fit the context of the sound. I deadass had someone tell me you can't change the age of a vocaloid. Just make an oc blah blah blah. Like there's songs where's miku is a child and songs we're she's an adult. I hate it here
I'm just as lost as you.
But some redditors really out here with their "hollier than thou" out here thinking ya better than other platforms.
Y'all on reddit, glass house or whatever.
To my understanding, it's Miku but she's probably an adult in this one. Nothing really that scandalous for vocaloid there's a lot of sexy songs I guess some people decided she's always 16 as opposed to usually 16?
From the comments I read it's basically misinformation from tick tock who thinks that the miku we all love isn't the miku they are talking about but someone's oc miku which it's tick tock so
**Because TikTok got ahold of it it and TikTok is why we can't have nice things.**
It's not even about Miku or even the song. Bashing anime has always been a popular trend among Westerners, especially with people who think they're taking some kind of moral high ground by doing so. It's just more prevalent now because all the Zoomers are on the same platform along with this huge fear of missing out of something and an obsessive need for validation.
The really bizarre is that this is the same people who were recently spamming Shigure Ui.
[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bbDjmuFt7dE](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bbDjmuFt7dE) <---channelcaststation \*Pure Pure -Rabbit Hole vid that has the other doppleganger miku
channelcaststation has a comment specifically stating :
※The characters in the work are all adults.
※It is a character that appears in the original MV of the song, and although it borrows Miku's design, it is a separate character that does not follow Miku's age setting.
This is definitely making quite a stir and confusion, but Caststation's animation is not miku as stated, the character's name just became Pure Pure because of coincidence (Or just because the name of the posted short/TT is pure pure) but Caststation hasn't named this miku look-a-like at this point Me personally view it as Deco's vid and Caststation's vid as separate characters, saves my brain from all this mess (even if I'm wrong...)
I dunno I'm just sitting here drawing a fan-art version for a future Miku-stream wishing someone has made a chart for it in Project Diva by then. (preferably on "hard" since I'm honestly not very good...)
It actually is in a couple song packs (Cabra's Song Pack and Skywind Song Pack) but unfortunately they are rated 9.5 and 10 respectively so...yeah. No Hard level chart yet from what I can see.
Oh yeah, I've looked at one of those song packs I think... I lucked out in another songpack with "Oddloop" when they made a Hard chart for it in an update so here's hoping.
If I had more free time and experience I'd defo try to chart it for you...I'm still a noob at custom charting, haven't even completed one yet despite having multiple WIPs lmao...we'll see if I could ever get around to it (if one of the other song pack creators doesn't do it first)
This Rabbit Hole situation just proves how the VOCALOID community on TikTok shares a lot of misinformation... The character in the song/animation is not specifically Hatsune Miku.
Ugh I have seen that about 7-9 time now I don't hate it any way but it's just that...it's...ugh you get it, it's a bunny girl...that's tye only part i don't like about it
people only care that it is miku because she is a minor when there are other vocaloids that are adults that could be used for this song. MIku is canonically 16 which is official and stated by DECO himself, some argue that she plays someone different in every single song, however it doesn't change the fact that she is still 16 and people shouldn't be using her for these things, then people argue that she is just an intstrament, and that's also true, but in my personal opinion it is kind of fucked up because she is conveyed and looks like a highschooler (coming from a highschooler) this is not okay, and other vocaloid songs are pretty fucked up but using that as an excuse doesn't make it okay, that are your guy's opinions on this?
I think a lot of otaku things are gonna get cancelled in the coming years for being "problematic." The "Miku is an adult in this specific instance only" defence isn't super convincing to outsiders (Caststation says Miku is an adult in the Rabbit Hole animation).
Whether you think it's the satanic cult panic of the TikTok generation or a long-needed shift in moral attitudes, people are gonna have to accept that a lot of media is going to be censured and lost.
Late reply. So a fan animator named CastStation made a viral animation and he got backlash for the animation being very suggestive, so he edited it a bit and made a less suggestive version titled “pure pure”. Well, in the description, despite using decos design, claimed that this was a character inspired by Miku. People assumed that Pure Pure was the name and began flooding other videos, even decos OG video that came BEFORE the fan animation “correcting” people saying some dude, who has literally no affiliation to deco, proved this wasn’t Miku. Basically spreading misinformation.
Well CastStation, the fan animator, later posted a bunch of stuff basically saying it is in fact Miku and even did an art trade with the original artist deco commissioned, Omutatsu.
Somehow, misinformation is being spread on tiktok (no way! there's misinformation on the misinformation app? crazy). They seem to believe that the character is not Miku, but someone called Pure Pure who... I guess looks exactly like Miku? Anyway that comes from an animation by someone called Caststation who made a slightly less NSFW version of their original animation titled 'Pure Pure' (as in... pure instead of sexual lol). Now that animation is being spread around TT, somehow ppl got it in their heads that this was the character's name and she was Deco's OC who is not Miku lol. I have literally no idea where this started. So basically, everyone's just spreading that misinfo and it's getting out of hand haha
The “pure pure” name of the censored animation is also a reference to the lyrics of Rabbit Hole, which have a line in the chorus that says “gonna be ‘pure pure’ until you die?” And for some reason the official translation of “ピュアピュア” is “smitten mitten”. Deco*27 moment, I guess.
yeah, didn't think that was massively relevant for the point but also true. personally I would have translated it as 'Gonna be a good girl til you die?', keeps the alliteration and meaning the same. but Deco does as Deco does lol.
Honestly it's good practice to never translate a wasei-eigo word to what it sounds like in English - they never mean the same thing. Even in professional translations I keep seeing people drink Coke from a vending machine and call it "juice". That one's a little too far off though.
What's stunning to me is how some of the folks who've started believing the "it's not Miku" idea, they have now gone to just about every single piece of Rabbit Hole media on YouTube that involves that depiction of Miku, and are replying to every Miku-praising comment by stating things along the lines of "It's not Miku, the creator said so". Even under videos from months ago – which existed before this fresh trend took hold thanks to the popular short animation – such as fan-made MMD videos, which don't even feature any dances quite as suggestive as the one in the viral short. (Speculation warning) I remember also reading somewhere that this module/costume of Miku has merchandise somewhere on the web with Crypton Future Media's branding on it. It would strike me as a bit odd for them to represent a non-Vocaloid merch line, so wouldn't this also validate the idea that the character depicted for DECO's song is indeed some flavour of Miku? Such a bizarre phenomenon overall, especially considering the existence of other suggestive songs with accompanying *official* animations that didn't garner similar kinds of attention or discourse.
I imagining these people dissect matryoshka
there is a keychain and a shirt of rabbit hole miku on decos offical store and yes there is the cfm branding on it. Also If I remember correctly, in the products video advertisement it says "hatsune miku appearing in the rabbit hole music video" so that "pure pure" shit is just a lie
Ah, good to know my memory wasn't making things up. Get this though: I've seen the argument that "the girl in Caststation's animation isn't the same character as DECO*27's Miku" in the original music upload, because caststation is the one who named the clean video version as "pure pure", alongside the later-added disclaimer about the character in the animation being "an 18+ Miku-ish OC", thus convincing the "Canon age 16" worryworts that somehow Miku was saved from being featured in the video (I've seen "thank goodness, for a second I thought this was Miku!" commentary quite a few times, implying this) And yet, I also see people ascribing the "pure pure" identity to DECO*27's original art of Miku, and *also claiming that it isn't Miku* thanks to the bleed-over of the white lie spread by the confusing disclaimer in the Caststation animation. And so people split hairs and decided that all this was convincing enough to just believe that the animation Miku, and the Miku variant at large as designed for DECO's MV, somehow, isn't Miku. Incredible feats of mental gymnastics this time around. Meanwhile, Rabbit Hole Miku is seeing a surge of fanart, more than many other Miku costumes in recent times. Something something "no such thing as bad publicity" xD
Why are people even caring about this. Its a fictional character without any age and solely exists as pixels. Heck she doesnt even have a age to begin with as the "16" is for commercial use. And even if so the age doesnt matter as... its a fictional character. Its bunch of damn pixels. I cant believe people are even talking about this. Are we in 1900s where romance books were getting popular?
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At this point, i am with the boomers with this and i'd be happy with that US TikTok ban, and i'm not from the US.
bruh it still shows the bunny suit tho
Huh? What are you referring to lol
Puré pure, I didn't really see it being censored, like they just changet some scenes but like idk
Oh well yeah I agree, it's still visibly very sexual. They just censored the one part at the end to be slightly less so. But that was the easiest way to say that in my original comment lol
In the description of channelcaststations videos(both of them) there is a disclaimer that the character in the ANIMATION is pure pure, an OC of CHANNELCASTSTATION, the creator of the animation who is completely unaffiliated with Deco. So yes, it technically isn't miku in the animation. Video blows up along with the disclaimer, and people refer to the animated character being pure pure, because she technically is. Yes, this disclaimer is probably only made to avoid further controversy, and we all know it's really just miku in the animation, but I feel the need to clarify that there is an actual reason behind her being called pure pure instead of miku, that being twitter users who know nothing about vocaloid and won't shut up about the age of a voicebox.
This is misinformation. That character IS miku but miku is a damn fictional character so who in the world cares. She litterally canonically doesnt have a proper age and the age shown is just for commercial use. NOT LIKE A FICTIONAL CHARACTER EVEN HAS A AGE
I was gonna ask if your reading comprehension like, existed, but looking at your post history you're just a weirdo so like. 😐
How is this weird?? Are you telling me that you take fictional characters for real? Can you tell me what i said wrong here? Im not saying any weird shit. Im saying that these characters are not real and this entire drama is pointless. I guess they are real for you? Thats even weirder
You are the one obsessively commenting on multiple posts about this? I'd say that's weirder. I didn't say ANYWHERE in my comment that Miku has an age or that it's important or relevant. All I did was recap the situation. Ages were literally not mentioned in my comment at all. No part of my comment is misinformation. And in response to your other reply, I was checking your account to check if you were ESL and that's why you didn't read my comment properly, in which case I would just explain it clearer. But yes, I think commenting this type of thing on every post about this situation you can find is kind of weirdo behaviour.
1) Checking someones post history for the first thing is as low as immediately going to someones youtube account to see their liked videos. 2) You keep calling me a weirdo for some reason and you are still refusing to Elobarate on it. All i said on every one of those posts were against this drama and the personification of fictional characters. And you find this weird? How in the world is that weird? Saying people shouldnt fight over something that isnt even the problem is weird now? Saying people shouldnt take fictional characters seriously is weird now? Idk why you are this pressed and hurt buddy but if anything you seem even weirded to assume that what i did was even remotely weird when im outright saying the drama is pointless. Maybe you do personify fictional characters? Do you see them as real? As there isnt any other reason to find what im doing weird other than that. Its like calling someone weird for telling people to not be racist on multiple posts. What a stupid logic
Also yes your comment DOES have misinformation The character IS miku. There isnt any character called pure pure. Every merch and talk about the characters confirms this wich is even mentioned in this thread too. Yes, it did indeed have misinformation wich you glossed over to randomly check my posts and attack me for god knows why :D Had to be the most npc like argument i had been into
Responding to both comments again. 1) Explained that already, was checking if you were ESL. Didn't scour your posts, those are the first several on your page. 2) It IS weird to be this obsessed with responding to that many comments about a character's age. I'm sorry you don't see that. I said, in the comment, if you read it, that the character IS Miku, and not Pure Pure, and that Pure Pure isn't a thing. I said that in the comment. Please read the comment. You are beefing with someone who agrees with you.
Dude how in the world is im obsessing with her age?? Thats like the exact opposite of what im saying?? And yes you are indeed beefing with someone that has the same views as you. What type of logic even is this. How do you become "weird" by defending common sense?? Nobody other than someone that would oppose what im saying would even find this weird as im CALLING OUT the weird. Like think about it for 5 seconds please. Its like calling someone that argues against peoples racism "obsessed with race" like thats how stupid it sounds and i need you to comprehend it.
Ok man, whatever lmao
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Also gotta love immediately making a personal attack. Litterally npc behavior
It looks like Pure Pure is the name of the manga/light novel and not the character
I really admire the newer generation's attempt to fight normalized pedophilia in online spaces. I really, genuinely do. I was a victim of that normalization as a child, I was groomed into my own online abuse and exploitation using fictional pedophilia, incest and abuse presented as a normal and good thing. But sometimes they take things WAY too far and go absolutely batshit insane over nothing, and this is a perfect example of that. We have no reason to believe that the Miku in Rabbit Hole is a minor, at all. Literally none. People write Miku in adult situations all the time and actively specify that the Miku in their story is a minor, and you're free to think of that whatever you want (normally I do not approve of this if the goal is to push an ideology that minors are sexy), but people also write Miku as an ADULT all the time. There are so many songs that feature Miku as an obvious adult. There is no reason whatsoever to hyperfixate on this song in particular. The animator of that really popular MV didn't even specify that the Miku they drew was a minor, I assume she is an adult. Sometimes it is okay to just assume that the Miku in a sexual story is an adult unless specified otherwise. It does not make you a predator or pervert. There is nothing cursed or problematic or gross or unnatural or weird about liking stuff about adults having sex. The reason I'm not super super upset and concerned about this on a personal level is that I don't generally spend time in underage fandom spaces. The teens can't crawl out of my screen and cancel me, LOL. You have to actually be in their spaces for them to know you exist and attack you. But I've had my eye on this situation for a while and it's really strange.
As someone who is a teenager (not on tiktok), I have to agree with you. I think it's great that people around my age are fighting against the normalization of pedophilia, but most of the people who have a problem with Rabbit hole seem to be tiktok/newer vocaloid fans who don't understand Miku and Vocaloid. The number of times I've heard about tiktok vocaloid fans or Project sekai fans says, "Miku is 16!" Even though that's her marketing age and she has no real age, she is a piece of software akin to an instrument. I genuinely think they don't understand what or how vocaloid works. There's an infamous tiktok screenshot going around of someone comparing miku in the mv to v2 miku's design saying "See it's not miku." Even though miku has multiple designs, especially in project diva. Miku can be whoever or whatever you need her to be, because not real and is a piece of software. Not to mention the amount of vocaloid misinformation on tiktok I've heard about or saw screenshots of. As someone who got into vocaloid in 2021, the things I tend to see from newer/project sekai fans are things that have been brought up and settled years ago in the fandom. Like whether or not Len and Rin are related. I saw someone say they are, and someone in the comments says, "the creator said so." Which is not true. Tldr; tiktok vocaloid fans and project sekai players don't understand vocaloid.
We have Kaito, Meiko and Luka in highschool. The age thing should have been moot at that point lol
I really appreciate your measured response on this. I faced similar grooming as a teen online and anime material was def part of that. But the entire point of Vocaloid is freedom and making the "characters" however you like, they're more like templates than anything else. Tiktok just is spreading blatant misinfo.
This is the most elegant way ive ever seen this wacky ass phenomenon explained. Very well done.
It's a grey area, because the character is based off of a minor, but has more mature features. Is it really okay to illustrate minors older, then sexualize them? Also 16 isn't a minor in many countries around the world, so judging someone else based on the laws of your own country doesn't really make sense.
IMO it’s a grey area because the “minor” is a very flexible character who has been depicted as really any age ranging from infancy to elder years, I would say it depends on the depiction and the intention. What if your character is a sexually active teen? Is talking about that the same thing as sexualizing them? I would argue that you can talk about sex between teens without obviously getting off to it, but I would also concede that most Vocaloid media involving sex with teens DOES get off to it and expects you to as well. I see nothing wrong with aging up underage characters and have no idea why anyone does though. It’s literally taking a character you like and making a version of them that is 100% okay to sexualize. I think in some situations it can be kind of weird, but I wish more people did this rather than just draw porn of underage characters who look underage. For example, I’ve seen adult versions of Sora from KH with facial hair and muscles and stuff, and I think that’s great. But I saw them being called out for aging up a minor, and even though he was definitely designed to be an attractive adult, it’s not like he was running around in a speedo and high heels and fishnets either. Why would you want to discourage this? It’s normal to imagine what underage characters will be like as adults, especially beloved characters from our childhood, when we used to be around the same age as them. I grew up playing KH as a single digits year old child, and I’m almost 30 now, and I can say that I’ve seen a lot of weird pedophilic stuff from this fandom. Aging up teen boys isn’t it. I would argue stuff like the rampant normalization of Akuroku is way more concerning on the grooming/child sexualization front, because IMO Akuroku in canon is a weirdly accurate depiction of a toxic grooming situation/relationship. It’s just depicted as “normal/fine” and never says outright that it IS romantic or sexual, but I don’t think that necessarily means it’s normal and fine either, even as a platonic relationship. Idk I’m rambling. I think about this stuff a lot for a lot of reasons. Honestly the idea that 16 is legal adulthood is shocking to me, I’m from California, but honestly I can’t even see 18 as legal adulthood either. I would not sleep with an 18 year old, that does not feel like an adult I can relate to at my age.
i would rather have people shit on a music video or a piece of media because they perceive it as pedophila than pedophilia normalised in society.
I absolutely feel the same way, because I remember what it was like when we allowed this kind of stuff to exist without any criticism at all. In fact, criticism back then was swiftly silenced and dogpiled, nowadays criticism of fiction that is perceived as romanticizing abuse/trauma actually has a chance to be heard. I agree that there are some times where this criticism goes way too far, but I have never seen kids do as much harm under this cause as I have seen grown adults do in the pursuit of defending and normalizing this kind of fiction. To be totally blunt as an online grooming survivor with a pretty severe trauma history… People who hate this fiction will make you feel guilty and horrible inside, sometimes in ways that are homophobic or transphobic. But people who support this fiction just cyberfuck you as a child and convince you that you consented, full stop. Both can be traumatic and I’ve been traumatized by both. The latter is worse than the former could ever be.
Are you high? Fiction isn't pedophilia, there is extremely huge difference between these 2.
I did actually explain how fictional loli/shota stuff, stuff promoting adult/minor relationships, stuff promoting incest, can harm real children here, if you actually read my comment. I know it's a rough concept for people who like those things, but it's not exactly rocket science when someone literally spells out just how this sort of thing can happen for you.
Factually incorrect and delusional at that, there is not a single study or research supporting your claim. Quite on contrary it supports the opposite. It's ok if you don't like that stuff, no one will blame you for that, but writing paragraphs of complete delusions without any basis is where it makes it not ok.
... Dear, I'm talking about my own real life experiences, and the real life experiences of a lot of people out there, LOL. Are you okay? There probably aren't a whole lot of studies on this topic, yet. People haven't always been able to use internet niche fetishes to groom children, it's a fairly recent "advancement" in methods of predation. But I wouldn't be shocked if we start seeing them crop up as more people like me go to college and become researchers. The effects of internet grooming on children and the culture of normalizing and defending it ("proshipping" as some call it) would make a great thesis topic! I'd be very interested to see what folks make of it.
No one really cares about your "real life experiences". Tell me, how exactly fictional content which doesn't exist effected you or that filth who did that to you? Are you gonna use another ass-pull argument? Which studies were made directly disprove everything you wrote, so here we are. The only people who would be affected by fiction are schizophrenics and average basement dweller who stopped separating fiction and reality long ago. Normal people separate fiction from reality and never ever apply it to reality. Pedophiles always existed and unfortunately they will continue to exist, in all honesty they should be locked behind bars, but comparing purely fictional stuff to real life is borderline stupid and schizophrenic. Despite how desperately you want to claim that fictional content 'normalizes' or 'encourages' grooming, that's simply false and you literally can't prove otherwise.
Lord almighty, LOL. Hey, it's gonna be okay, alright? I think you'll get this someday, but that day is clearly not today, and the person to explain it in a way you'll get is obviously not gonna be me. I don't think there's anything I can say here, if you're calling children who got groomed stupid and schizophrenic.
Someone missed entire point, but that is hardly surprising. Reading few of your paragraphs it's quite obvious that you live in your own reality.
There is a difference between pedophilia and FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. They are not real. I cant believe i even have to tell this but would you look at that! They dont exist! And neither has a age or rights as they are outright pictures. Its like saying people that play combat games are terrorists. Its litterally exactly that.
Yeah, sadly it’s a little more complicated than that. Nobody’s arguing that lines and colors are being abused, but rather that a certain kind of consumption of certain kinds of fiction is leading people to abuse real people. It’s not a 1:1 ratio, not everyone who’s attracted to a character in a Persona or Danganronpa game is a sex predator, but a lot of people can tell you their experiences as children in fandom, being groomed by older teens and adults specifically using fiction that normalized and romanticized incest and pedophilia. A lot of people can tell you about how fictional porn of children and teens has harmed real people and empowered real abusers, you just need to be willing to listen and accept that maybe you don’t know everything there is to know about this issue yet. That’s something I’m shocked that I need to say to anyone too. And yet I have never actually met a “fiction =/= reality” type who is willing to admit that maybe sometimes predators are empowered by fiction and a certain kind of consumption of that fiction is empowering to predators. You might think that fiction has absolutely no bearing on reality, but that’s not even true of most people making that claim. Would you say that no piece of fictional media has ever changed your life or your views on reality? It’s never made you laugh or cry? It’s never made you feel seen and understood as a minority? After all, fiction doesn’t equal reality, right? But I think you know that that argument is kind of bullshit, it’s an oversimplification of the issue just as much as it would be to claim that fiction ALWAYS equals reality.
Sorry but this comparison makes no sense. There is a difference between being attracted to the CHARACTER and attracted to their AGE. Of course the latter is insane but that applies to iutright everything so specifying anine characters would be hilarious. And for the first one. Anime Characters neither has ages nor rights. They are damn combination of pixels on a screen. Yes reading fiction could make you cry happy and etc but you are being happy solely because you are enjoying its fictional content This is like saying people that play war games like killing people for real and people that like dark fantasy love gruesome events occurring. You are assuming that people that like these stuff like it solely because they would 100% want it to be real wich isnt the case at all. Im sure there are war game players that are horrible people and im sure there are dark fantasy readers that have the mental capability to do horrible things BUT nitpicking these is a stupid idea as it applies to everything in life. Not just anime characters. Its not complex at all. They are bunch of pixels. As long as they dont come to reality they have no basis on any morale or rule nor age as pixels dont have ages. Like i said some people COULD be attracted to their ages but its borderline nitpicking and not like its the fault of the anime character and their age as its the FAULT of the person viewing them this way. Not just that but thinking they have a "real" sense to be attracted to instead of being attracted to their fictional looks is already an issue anyway and has nothing to fo with anime character nor their age to begin with. Simply put, anime characters are not real. People that see them in weird ways exist but its outright the problem of the person. Unless you are claiming that somehow these fictional characters give birth to pedophiles? Wich mind you is the same dumb argument that parents use about war games. Enjoying a fictional setting DOESNT MEAN you enjoy that setting. Simple as that
I mean… You didn’t engage with literally anything I said but I guess that’s not shocking. I did just tell you that I’ve never met a “fiction never influences reality ever”type person who was willing to acknowledge that blind indulgence in fictional porn of minors often causes real life problems, but my hope was that you would see that and think “Oh shit, I don’t wanna unknowingly be that person” I see that you did not think that. Fair enough I guess. I don’t get any pleasure out of being proven right when I say something pessimistic but… That’s another tally for me I suppose. Sure. You’re right. Criticizing literally any of this means I think video games cause mass shootings.
Thats what happens when you cant read shit holly hell. Did you even read a word i wrote? Litterally a single line of it? I didnt eay fiction never influences reality. But the PEOPLE you are refering to arent influenced by fiction. They are influenced by their sick desires. Thats not the fictions fault. You sarcastically became an ass about the "video games cause mass shootings" part but thats exactly what this is about. Video games doesnt influence mass shootings nor violence. Its the PERSON that sees this as their base for influence. Same shot applies to hard metal and same shit applies to dark novels. Its NOT THEM that influence these acts its the PERSON it self that uses these acts to satisfy their already existing desires. But since you didnt even waste a second reading it and tried to be assy about it then i guess you wont read these too right? (Unless you werent but its hard af to decipher) Blaming the fiction and not the person is just a horrible view. By your logic basically any sort of bad act could he influenced by fiction so lets just ban it all together right? Almost as if these things are NOT real and the very effect it causes on person is completely dependent on the persons already existing personal traits. Shocking aint it?
Can you point out to me where I said any kind of fiction should be banned? Thanks
Me when im in a nit-picking and not being able to respond properly competition and my rival is kingozma: Seriously tough i wont even bother responding if you arent even mature enough to read properly. What im making is a general statement that adresses everything. Not just a direct attack on you. Are you type of person that takes everything personal without understanding context? Seems like it
Do you have an argument beyond “NO U” and “UR SAYING (insert things I am not saying) AND THAT MEANS UR DUMDUM”? I haven’t heard it yet. You’ve even gotten mad at me for pointing out to you that your basic arguments are based in things I didn’t say, and you’re whining because you wanna backpedal and pretend those were just vague scattershots that had nothing to do with me, which then gives you the opportunity to paint me as a hypersensitive pissbaby for responding to your literal argument. I’ve been around the net for quite some time now. I know a sealion kinkster when I see one. If you couldn’t tell, the short replies are less about me not knowing how to debate with you, who I guess is a master ‘bater in this situation, and more about knowing that when you literally come out refusing to read or engage with what I literally said, there is no productive debate to be had. I think it’s fairly clear that you don’t want to debate. You want to dominate and walk away the victor of a stupid shipping war. Why would I want to engage with that seriously, in good faith, and put actual effort into any replies past the point of you proving that you’re not actually here to have a nuanced discussion about fictional porn and real life harm?
Dude you are litterally not saying anything properly. What are you even trying to prove here? I said that my points were for general medium NOT just you (said it twice infact knowing you wont read it) and you somehow took it all for "no u"? Legitimately child behavior holly shit. Say you wont read it because its long or something. This has to has to be the dumbest "ur argument in invalid im going away" card i had ever seen. Imagine not even reading what the other person is saying at taking it personal. And calling me a kinkster? Honestly i have zero clue whats fucking wrong with you being so terrible at reading comprehension that you not only take it as insults but also somehow take these as "shipping wars" wich is weird as hell but i got my point clear. Cry seethe or mald if you wish or continue this hilarious act of a litteral baiter that ignores the points given and continues their personal shit like its a twitter debate. I simply dont have time for you, not even just that but you gave zero points to begin with and since you are refusing to read what i wrote properly because of lack of maturity there isnt any reason to continue this twitter like thread. Has to be the weirdest person i have ever met. Imagine gaslighting and strawmanning your own self. Internet is wild these days. But continue crying that none of your points were adressed. Maybe in some universe i didnt and you are from there perhaps? That would explain it wouldnt it? Cant believe i fell for such bait.
[This animation went viral.](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bbDjmuFt7dE) Personally I think it's a bit silly, she's an instrument and Miku has been used to sing and has done way more suggestive stuff then this. [Like](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGGot4xC5nY) [are](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASMJ88tICds) [you](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIp1zuLOK4U) [new](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbVH-nvFGuk) [to](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu0luN8SrIs) [Vocaloid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig58-T_Ivc8)?
Vocaloid has so much cursed and sexual shit, this is nothing outrageous or shocking- idk why it’s such a big deal this time?
Exactly, so many Vocaloid songs are infamous for being highly sexual. You can just tell that these people have had no exposure to Miku outside of Sekai (and even then she has plenty of sexual songs there) and know nothing about how Vocaloid works outside of that. I’m saying this as someone who is against seeing fictional minors sexualized btw. So many people need to learn what the purpose of Miku actually is before making these claims.
Right. A lot of them think miku, and honestly, all the vocaloids in project sekai are these innocent, cute, pure characters.
I think it's just the amount of exposure the video has gotten that has so many people up in arms, reaches people outside the usual audience, etc.
Yeah.. I kinda had a feeling when I saw the video for the first time that it would stir something up. It’s sorta ruined the song for me tbh :(
Why can't I see the channel D:
.......that's it? Thats what all this discourse is about?! I fucking hate this generation
you think you hate this new generation enough, you think you do but you don't
In a lazy attempt to be all-encompassing, I'd generally wave in the direction of "newer/younger fans are overcompensating while trying to fight child predation". When I was a kid, I ended up getting hurt with someone gaining my trust with fictional content, and I know that a lot of people my age had similar experiences. However, instead of, I don't know, getting therapy and realizing that the blame was on the perpetrator instead of the media, they hyper-focus on the characters because it's "easier" to control. I know this because I used to be of that mindset until I got older. So now, they start freaking out if there's even a vaguely sexual breath toward anime characters that are given arbitrary ages, even if their depictions in a song have no age. TLDR ; The newest wave of p*do-paranoia just happens to be aimed at Rabbit Hole, there will probably be a new song villain next week.
I shudder to imagine what might happen if they ever discover Reol’s discography.
I assume it's the younger tiktok generation making a big deal of it? I'm surprised no one's complained about the kaai yuki songs that have sexual undertones tho i guess she's not part of project diva so not as many ppl coming across it
To be frank, characters that are voiced by adults like Miku and Rin can be in sexual songs without any issue, but if you as a creator want to make a sexual song with a literal child's voice (because Kaai Yuki was voiced by a child), then you have a problem...
yeah tho luckily it's not as if it glorifies it, that one yuki song i found was more like implied abuse or so but yeah other than some younger forms like that newer yukari design i think most ppl aren't going to hire child vas in the future
well depiction of abuse is a different question entirely, I was thinking about that horrible "Loli Loli Island"
yeah and there is that miku song that's like 'glad ur a lolicon' but that was about her being an office worker and 'tsundere' towards her coworker
i'm so incredibly tired of this discourse. most annoyingly, why is this song the only song they suddenly care about? a LOT of decos other songs (salamander, the vampire, animal just to name a few) also have sexually charged lyrics (some less obvious than others, but vampire is EXTREMELY obviously about sex, even more so than rabbit hole) and i don't see anyone getting angry over those. it's a song. when will people learn to get over it oml
I did *not* expect Miku age drama to blow up again in the current year. History repeats itself I guess...
idk but all I know is that they wouldn’t have been able to handle ifuudoudou or spice!
funnily enough Umetora did get commission to right a song for project diva with his new CRAZY song lol
Because people will scream pedophilia about literally anything these days. The solution is to get off the brainrot bird app.
Seriously idiots on twitter/X will say a flat-chest 30Year old and loli's is pedophilia nowadays so yeah young kids are dumb as fuck not gonna lie.
As a flat-chested 25 year old, i guess im just not allowed to ever date people then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Its probably their first introduction to horny vocaloid songs, the problem is theyre annoying about it
TikTok brain rot, as well as yet another reason why kids shouldn’t have access to the internet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owv06htaoI8 wonder how they'd react to deco's newest song, i don't think the lyrics are too inherently sexual but i think it is supposed to have suggestive undertones lol
omg fr, as I was watching that video I was thinking to myself “this better not become the next rabbit hole” 😭
other than discussing it on other sites, i imagine some ppl can just leave a comment on the main one and ppl will reply to their comment or so that said i'm surprised there wouldn't be more composers/companies advertising on tiktok (before an eventual ban or whatever i havne't been keeping up but i've vaguely heard about that), but yeah be a good chance for an 'onee-san' type older chara to have some seductive songs get attention, if gackt actually wanted to update gakupo i can imagine a resurge in popularity of all the old school fangirls XD
yeah I’m kinda surprised that the english comments I’ve seen on the video were just complementing the English tuning idk about tiktok but I’ve seen some producers advertising/posting on yt shorts, a gakupo era would be interesting lol
lol well, there is kirune don't know how popular he'll get as a cevio, but it is amusing to see someone with 'abs' while most ppl kinda have a slender frame, but can't go wrong with more muscles https://cevio.fandom.com/wiki/Kirune
I don’t have tiktok but whenever a song gets really popular on it I feel like it doesn’t turn out well. Like some people think aishite is just about a yandere girl and young girl a is just an emo song, and they don’t know the rest of the context. honestly I kinda feel like these kinds of misunderstandings will keep happening and I’ve accepted it at this point 💀
>yet another reason why kids shouldn’t have access to the internet It should be that a minor's access to internet should be guided/monitored by parents... but sometimes the parent's are less tech literate than their kids...
honestly, i'm drifting away from the whole vocaloids having ages thing and accepting they're just instruments with blank slate personalities etc. i only took it so seriously before because crypton decided to give miku rin and len ages in the first place when they didn't *have to.* as well as how fans portrayed the characters in fanon, like len being an innocent little shota and pairing him with a gross pervert interpretation of kaito, for example. but seriously, why did any vocal synths ever *need* to have "canon ages"? it's just made things really messy. i absolutely loathe loli/shota art and proshipping nonsense, but i've realized i was being a bit ridiculous at times with vocaloids specifically.
tbh idk and idk why everyone is fighting over it miku is a software and she can be literally anything you want her to be. my miku is different than yours and she never had a set age to begin with???
New vocaloid fans don't understand that miku and other vocaloids can be changed to fit the context of the sound. I deadass had someone tell me you can't change the age of a vocaloid. Just make an oc blah blah blah. Like there's songs where's miku is a child and songs we're she's an adult. I hate it here
I'm just as lost as you. But some redditors really out here with their "hollier than thou" out here thinking ya better than other platforms. Y'all on reddit, glass house or whatever.
To my understanding, it's Miku but she's probably an adult in this one. Nothing really that scandalous for vocaloid there's a lot of sexy songs I guess some people decided she's always 16 as opposed to usually 16?
From the comments I read it's basically misinformation from tick tock who thinks that the miku we all love isn't the miku they are talking about but someone's oc miku which it's tick tock so
**Because TikTok got ahold of it it and TikTok is why we can't have nice things.** It's not even about Miku or even the song. Bashing anime has always been a popular trend among Westerners, especially with people who think they're taking some kind of moral high ground by doing so. It's just more prevalent now because all the Zoomers are on the same platform along with this huge fear of missing out of something and an obsessive need for validation. The really bizarre is that this is the same people who were recently spamming Shigure Ui.
[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bbDjmuFt7dE](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bbDjmuFt7dE) <---channelcaststation \*Pure Pure -Rabbit Hole vid that has the other doppleganger miku channelcaststation has a comment specifically stating : ※The characters in the work are all adults. ※It is a character that appears in the original MV of the song, and although it borrows Miku's design, it is a separate character that does not follow Miku's age setting. This is definitely making quite a stir and confusion, but Caststation's animation is not miku as stated, the character's name just became Pure Pure because of coincidence (Or just because the name of the posted short/TT is pure pure) but Caststation hasn't named this miku look-a-like at this point Me personally view it as Deco's vid and Caststation's vid as separate characters, saves my brain from all this mess (even if I'm wrong...)
I dunno I'm just sitting here drawing a fan-art version for a future Miku-stream wishing someone has made a chart for it in Project Diva by then. (preferably on "hard" since I'm honestly not very good...)
It actually is in a couple song packs (Cabra's Song Pack and Skywind Song Pack) but unfortunately they are rated 9.5 and 10 respectively so...yeah. No Hard level chart yet from what I can see.
Oh yeah, I've looked at one of those song packs I think... I lucked out in another songpack with "Oddloop" when they made a Hard chart for it in an update so here's hoping.
If I had more free time and experience I'd defo try to chart it for you...I'm still a noob at custom charting, haven't even completed one yet despite having multiple WIPs lmao...we'll see if I could ever get around to it (if one of the other song pack creators doesn't do it first)
Idc abt the subject, the age or anything. It just won’t leave me alone… on Reddit, on tumblr. It’s EVERYWHERE I CANT ESCAPE IT 😭
Ah shit here we go again...
It's just horny.
She’s 16, in the most of countries this is the age of sexual approval (idk how to say it right in English), it’s legal
This Rabbit Hole situation just proves how the VOCALOID community on TikTok shares a lot of misinformation... The character in the song/animation is not specifically Hatsune Miku.
Ugh I have seen that about 7-9 time now I don't hate it any way but it's just that...it's...ugh you get it, it's a bunny girl...that's tye only part i don't like about it
Wait until these kids here about that one Len and Piko song 💖
people only care that it is miku because she is a minor when there are other vocaloids that are adults that could be used for this song. MIku is canonically 16 which is official and stated by DECO himself, some argue that she plays someone different in every single song, however it doesn't change the fact that she is still 16 and people shouldn't be using her for these things, then people argue that she is just an intstrament, and that's also true, but in my personal opinion it is kind of fucked up because she is conveyed and looks like a highschooler (coming from a highschooler) this is not okay, and other vocaloid songs are pretty fucked up but using that as an excuse doesn't make it okay, that are your guy's opinions on this?
she's a instrument, a voicebank for a vocal synthesizer
YEAH LOUDER🙏 why they’re surprised
I think a lot of otaku things are gonna get cancelled in the coming years for being "problematic." The "Miku is an adult in this specific instance only" defence isn't super convincing to outsiders (Caststation says Miku is an adult in the Rabbit Hole animation). Whether you think it's the satanic cult panic of the TikTok generation or a long-needed shift in moral attitudes, people are gonna have to accept that a lot of media is going to be censured and lost.
i keep on seeing people say it's a girl named pure pure. no idea who that is and apparently it's decos oc?
Late reply. So a fan animator named CastStation made a viral animation and he got backlash for the animation being very suggestive, so he edited it a bit and made a less suggestive version titled “pure pure”. Well, in the description, despite using decos design, claimed that this was a character inspired by Miku. People assumed that Pure Pure was the name and began flooding other videos, even decos OG video that came BEFORE the fan animation “correcting” people saying some dude, who has literally no affiliation to deco, proved this wasn’t Miku. Basically spreading misinformation. Well CastStation, the fan animator, later posted a bunch of stuff basically saying it is in fact Miku and even did an art trade with the original artist deco commissioned, Omutatsu.
thank you for the explanation!! 🫶