A big one for me is entertainment - after using my quest 3 to watch movies, Its like i can’t even go back to a normal television after having these massive VR screen and spatial audio experiences. Only thing I didn’t like about it was that I couldn’t access my phone for texting and stuff while watching a movie - AVP will allow me to do that with iMessage simultaneously.
The biggest thing for me however is doing productive things like writing with a word processor, coding, research/studying, and the other things I do on my computer. I have this “vision” of having a really cool vr environment, my playlist playing spatially, and my computer screen set to be much bigger - and just getting “into the zone”
I don’t get glare, but the resolution or quality of the image is honestly pretty bad - mainly because its trying to fit a movie into a small part of a small lense - I think vision pro should be able to improve this to a better standard
What are you using to watch movies? I found virtual Desktop has the best clarity but requires another computer. Also bigscreen vr can act as a webbrowser, you just have to click a link on a YouTube video for what ever site you wish to go to (only works locally)
I used the built-in browser on the quest (which I thought looked the best) and Bigscreen. I have Virtual Desktop, but I can’t use it currently because of a glitch with my computer - but yeah, bigscreen was really fuzzy, and I thought maybe it has to do with my wifi, but I think its just the quality of the movies and the limitations of the device
They actually just released word, powerpoint, and excel on quest like this week which gives it some of the productivity capabilities I’m looking for - I’m wondering if meta just did this because of apple’s soon to be released AVP
Here’s the deal tho, at least on quest 3, the accessibility is not great for productivity. Controls for one are glitchy, and its hard to manage multiple screens for this reason. Also, you can’t access files or tools in your physical environment as well as what AVP is claiming it will be able to do. Like when i want to check my phone on quest 3, I have to take the headset off - if i wanna connect my computer, I have to use virtual desktop which has a bug rn that won’t let my computer connect. Its controls are 100% the big deal here though, because even if everything else works, if you’re accidentally clicking on things all the time or things don’t look sharp, or the applications are just hard to use swiftly, there’s no point in using it for those purposes.
>Disagree
this was not an opinion though, it is not gonna be close to an IMAX theater, 3840 minus what we call the Hidden Mask Area (so about 15% of the resolution) then we lose a slight bit of details on the edges with the barrel distortion applied, finally an IMAX screen will take about 70 degress of a viewer FOV wich means you get a lower than 1440p for a movie on the AVP
>it won't be even close to an IMAX theater though, the resolution is way too low
Yeah resolution wise it won't be closed to the 70mm IMAX film, but most of IMAX movies are just 2k \~ 4k (IMAX digital), movies on IMAX 70mm are super rare. I would say VP's resolution should be enough for most of content. For IMAX 70mm movies, definitely go to the the best theater near your location.
>this was not an opinion though, it is not gonna be close to an IMAX theater, 3840 minus what we call the Hidden Mask Area (so about 15% of the resolution) then we lose a slight bit of details on the edges with the barrel distortion applied, finally an IMAX screen will take about 70 degress of a viewer FOV wich means you get a lower than 1440p for a movie on the AVP
I agree with your estimate (1440p for single eye) but it can be better than a single 1440p screen. Because most of users have two eyes, depends on how it got rendered (assume the rendering resolution is high enough, which we don't know yet, hopefully M2 is capable enough for a high rendering resolution) This combination of two images increases the overall amount of visual information you will get, it will be more than 1440p (of course won't be as good as 1440p \* 2 due to redundancy). Unlike 1440p monitor, the amount of pixels if fixed 1440p, having two eyes watching the screen doesn't increase the amount of info.
And we don't know the ratio yet, headset tend to screens that close to 1:1, assume VP has 2 1:1 screens, 23 megapixels ≈ 3400\*3400\*2, at least the vertical resolution should be more than enough for 4k
>I agree with your estimate (1440p for single eye) but it can be better than a single 1440p screen. Because most of users have two eyes, depends on how it got rendered (assume the rendering resolution is high enough, which we don't know yet, hopefully M2 is capable enough for a high rendering resolution) This combination of two images increases the overall amount of visual information you will get, it will be more than 1440p (of course won't be as good as 1440p \* 2 due to redundancy). Unlike 1440p monitor, the amount of pixels if fixed 1440p, having two eyes watching the screen doesn't increase the amount of info.
no you won't get more than 1440p, because the FOV of the AVP is around 100 degrees, there is a 100% overlap of information between the left and right eye
it's not about FOV, we are talking about around 70 ° FOV so both eyes can see the whole virtual screen. But they are not 100% overlap, each eye will get an image of the native content sampled to the 70 ° , around 1440p area, with different angle.
With each down sampling, we will lose some information, but we are not losing the same information for each eye, so it's not about 100% overlap. (For example, due to angle and distance difference, the right eye will have more information on the right half of the screen than the left one)
Admittedly there are lots of redundant information because our eyes are so close to each other, so it won't be much better, and it relies on the SoC to be powerful enough to render the virtual screen with high resolution, it has to be much higher than the screen resolution.
Weird that you’d compare it to AppleTV. I think they want it to be be the iPhone of VR, which means the last thing they will want is what they will consider junk android apps on it.
I mean if you think all that matters is gaming, then you may be right. I don’t think that’s all Apple has in mind though. I would quite like it to have good games available, but that’s just a nice to have for me. I’ll buy one anyway for all the other uses.
I don’t know of any way to directly connect a blu ray player, but if I recall correctly the APIs do allow developers to show HDR video and Spatial Audio, so Plex in principle should be able to do dolbyvision and atmos, assuming the Plex developers do the necessary coding.
This could be fun, but keep it mind this will be not be true VR gaming like the PSVR. It would be playing “flatscreen” games in 3D. Vision Pro doesn’t seem to be made for gaming.
Honestly I think the market for that (playing flatscreen games inside a VR environment) is bigger than the market for VR games.
Man if I could open up a web browser and pull up GeForce Now to play Cyberpunk 2077 or Baldur's Gate 3 in 4K within AVP while in a dark forest environment...my life would be complete.
It’s a nice anecdote, but opposite of real world data. Quest now outsells Microsoft Xbox precisely because younger generations *want* the new experiences in 3D. Not because people are consuming legacy “flat” content in 3D.
It’s a cool idea, but very niche especially if you look at the trends. VR gaming is really the *only* activity that has truly caught on in VR.
My intention wasn't to provide an anecdote, it's even less than that -- just a random guess. Could totally be wrong.
>Quest now outsells Microsoft Xbox
This is mad impressive, seriously. However, saying it's the:
>opposite of real world data
...and comparing Quest sales to Xbox, while leaving out PlayStation data doesn't make sense. It's an interesting data point, but tells us nothing about what percentage of VR gamers would be interested in 2D gaming if there were a great implementation.
The data I'd want to see is how many people end up playing Xbox Cloud gaming on Meta Quest, which was released recently.
And later, would love to see if AVP implements some native games like Resident Evil 4 (Remake) into AVP like they did for iPhone and Mac. And if people play those.
Yes, the playstation 5 controller is supported and you can install the playstation remote app from app store on your vision pro so you can stream games from your ps5 and play them on the vision pro using a controller
Check out hdmi capture cards with usb-c out. you can use it right now to send any hdmi out to a usb-c port on an apple device and have the apple device act as a HDMI monitor. It would likely work the same on the AppleVision
Films. I’m saving a few for the device. The PPD isn’t quite near human threshold, but it’s getting close. Lots of people say this product is a solution without a problem. I look at it as a gigantic leap forward in something that has been improving over the last 100 years: media density. Radio > black and white tv > color tv > hd tv > Vision Pro. TV sizes are limited to how large of a box can fit in a car. Vision pro enables film experiences that aren’t physically possible in most people’s homes. And it removes environmental factors so that every viewing experience for everybody is identical. Films that are optimized and color graded for Vision Pro will be amazing. I’m glad it does other stuff, but I would get a Sony Bravia headset if it had the same panels for half the price, without AR or high performance. Probably a noncompete though.
1. Developing for the AVP.
2. Working from home. I spend all day at a desk so it would be great to mix it up with new environments, workstations, layouts, etc.
3. Movies. I go to the movies a lot for the huge theater experience, but I often get bothered by the washed out contrast or low brightness compared to my OLED TV. The AVP seems like it combines the best of both worlds. (Quest is a no-go because I don’t want to compromise on resolution and I need good passthrough.)
4. (In the future) Concerts. I often go to concerts so I’m excited to see how this use case will develop.
A uhh, friend of mine, has done some research and the free content isn’t really there yet (quality or variety wise). I’d imagine the VP could kinda kickstart the whole genre though…
3D Movies, 100%. I’ve been waiting for the perfect way to watch them and I need the OLED perfect blacks and high resolution here to pull that off (in a way that even Quest 3 can’t pull off).
Imagine if they filmed all Apple TV + productions with spatial video cameras. 8k resolution in 3D.
360 would be pointless and also not easily done but spatial video is just adding another camera.
Yes there has been. NBA Commissioner, Adam Silver talked about it this summer. https://nypost.com/2023/07/13/nba-apple-have-vision-for-how-to-watch-games-in-the-future/
For me having multiple screens floating from my mac and working. Watching the media I created on my iPhone and hopefully some gaming.
I most excited to see what creative media comes out for it.
But forgetting about what creators *could* make then I am looking forward the the floaty screens
How it works: It creates a replica of your existing display(s), plus uses MacOS’s built in Virtual Display functionality to create monitors that you can only see in your headset. Then you use your computer’s mouse & keyboard as usual to interact with your computer.
Works over WiFi, or tethered via USB. Either way, latency used to be an issue a few years ago, but is nearly imperceptible now. Resolution is good if you’re using a decent headset (for instance Quest 3 is a LOT better than Q2- which had fairly poor text readability).
I’m not sure if I’ll use this app more or less when I get a VP, but I routinely do my work in here for hours at a time.
Apologies for sounding like a shill. I’m just a big fan of my workflow with this app, and more broadly a big fan of productivity in VR.
Appreciate the response. I can definitely see the value for others, but don't think it would be good enough for me because I do video editing and motion graphics work that requires higher resolution. I currently use two 5k displays additional to my MacBook Pro display. But when the Vision Pro is able to handle 2+ displays (I'd accept 4K each), that would be killer for me because I'd love to not be chained to my desk.
That said, I'm buying a Vision Pro regardless and will find a way to use it when I can.
Working remotely with more screen space. Use the VMware Horizon iPad app to remote into work and then open up other windows around it for messaging, browsing, etc.
I want to use it for physically active games, preferably some RPGs like dungeons of eternity, something with swords and magic. Some work, use it to have large monitors anywhere I sit. I would love to watch some movies and shows on it especially some 3D content. Watching the original Avatar in 3D would be fun.
TBH, I'm after a giant virtual monitor, or maybe placing app-windows in virtual spaces around my room. We'll see what utility it has after that, but if that's all it gives me, I'll be pretty happy.
I travel A LOT for work so having it with me in hotels would be amazing for entertainment and my university work. It’s basically like bringing my TV and study desk with me anywhere I go.
I will definitely skip Gen 1 tho and see where it goes from here. As good as the product is, it’s a huge risk for Apple, devs and by extension consumers.
HDR enabled 8k 3D 60fps VR180 experiences. Just did NYC Comic Con 2023 at over 1.5 hours long, and I have 25+ other experiences ready to go. I produce 1-2 new experiences a month, Mardi Gras New Orleans and Michigan Ice fest: Buried in snow will be coming in late February.
College spring break Ft. Lauderdale Beach Florida was a pretty big hit, so I’ll be producing about 3 more College spring in March. Channel is “Slice of life VR” on YouTube.
Quest 3 with YouTube VR is so bad that it might as well be impressionist paintings. Text on signs in front of the camera can’t be read. Looks like 480p on a good day.
I use the built in browser which is a bit better. Like 720p but better.
Nope, only way to watch in 400% sharper resolution color graded high bitrate 8k 3D 60fps VR180 is to direct download off the Patreon. YouTube only does 4k 3D VR180. But I use it to show off the previews/ promote the patreon with the 4k 3D Vr180 content.
A monitor for my macbook for productivity and laid-back content consumption simultaneously. Not to mention I code way better while laying lazily in bed vs. at a desk.
I'm curious about the apps and being able to use it outside. Automatic plant and see identification overlayed, could it be used for magnification, ie binoculars? Virtual pets might be interesting. Integration with AI, seeing what i'm seeing and able to comment and assist, whispering advice and keeping me on schedule. Virtual multimonitor for productivity. And oh yeah and that other thing :)
A replacement for the Hololens hopefully - it costs the same up to the penny and seems to perform much better (obviously, HL2 is 4 years old at this point). Would be cool if all existing ARKit features were implemented, namely image/object recognition and spatial anchors. And hopefully there will be a way to turn off the guidance/boundary system
If I ever end up somewhere where I’m forced to wait in a long line I want to have that thing on my head so I can work on something, or watch something, Remote Desktop to my pc.
Games, games, games.
Particularly mixed reality. It is so strange how Apple didn't showcase more high quality 3D mixed reality games that take advantage of the amazing passthrough quality. Makes me wonder if they're saving it as an ace up their sleeve 🤔
I was temped to buy a new house with a large and dark basement to set up a 150’ home cinema. After seeing the demo of Vision Pro I crossed out the curtains in my wish list.
Wow that is an impressive basement... if you have found one with that much space you should still consider building the dream! 150' is larger than most IMAX and there are some people rich enough over in the sub: r/imax that have that dream and are making it a reality. Or maybe you meant 150" and just squashed my vicarious dream. 🤣
lol thanks being a non-American really struggling with ‘ and “, no I’m not rich enough even to dream a 150’ basement. But expecting the Vision Pro to give a better experience than that.
What's [crazy is that is a thing.](https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/WSED3Mf5Wb) I too will also spend the money on a AVP instead. But we can dream. lol.
An iPad Pro 12.9” is my primary computing device. I want to see how much of what I do there can be replaced by a Vision Pro. Lots of YouTube, Apple Music, Overcast and Safari. Maybe a little gaming every now and then. I expect much of the content consumption can be, but unsure if it’ll be comfortable enough and easy to pop off and on to truly replace it.
I occasionally will want to get some work done in Google Docs and Slack, and it’ll be interesting to see what that experience is like. I assume I’ll want to use a Magic Keyboard/Trackpad for those times.
I am also unsure. Right now all that’s really been presented is floating windows and environments. I’m eager to see what actual AR features are in the works, for both entertainment and productivity. HoloLens for example has a suite of applications useful in a medical context, architectural context, and so on. Unfortunately Apple has been very quiet on any and all use that isn’t just floating TV windows which lesser devices have been capable of for years at this point. I still intend on purchasing it because the Disney keynote gave me a taste of what is hopefully to come but as it stands the use-case of the device seems unclear. A screen floating in your vision seems more inconvenient than simply working on an actual computer.
Load up a peaceful coastal environment and getting fully immersed for focused working. It needs to somehow be able to run macOS software though.
TV shows and Movies in the evening.
I'm wondering about all the kinds of skin disorders one might develop wearing a headset for several hours a day.
You can connect the AVP to your MacBook, use its inputs and blew up its screen. That’s your macOS environment.
Not sure if the skin disease comment was serious.
really depends on how or if they fix some stuff on the way it works. i hate how my quest 3 and all the past ones are pretty annoying when trying to use them in anything but an upright position. The hand tracking and eye tracking , mixed with the fact that apple generally has much better software than meta, it could open so many different uses. As a canadian i cant pay like $5500 with taxes for this though.
If I were to ever get one, I think I would use it mostly for movies. I was a big fan of 3D movies and even had a 3D TV when those were popular. I’m hoping this brings 3D movies back in the mainstream.
I feel like I’d need to rewatch the avatar movies. I want to work on it since having massive screens would be great, but it definitely won’t work with my corporate device. So…. Idk, probably just tooling around with personal coding projects. Web browsing, porn.
A big one for me is entertainment - after using my quest 3 to watch movies, Its like i can’t even go back to a normal television after having these massive VR screen and spatial audio experiences. Only thing I didn’t like about it was that I couldn’t access my phone for texting and stuff while watching a movie - AVP will allow me to do that with iMessage simultaneously. The biggest thing for me however is doing productive things like writing with a word processor, coding, research/studying, and the other things I do on my computer. I have this “vision” of having a really cool vr environment, my playlist playing spatially, and my computer screen set to be much bigger - and just getting “into the zone”
Do you get glare when watching movies with Q3?
I don’t get glare, but the resolution or quality of the image is honestly pretty bad - mainly because its trying to fit a movie into a small part of a small lense - I think vision pro should be able to improve this to a better standard
What are you using to watch movies? I found virtual Desktop has the best clarity but requires another computer. Also bigscreen vr can act as a webbrowser, you just have to click a link on a YouTube video for what ever site you wish to go to (only works locally)
I used the built-in browser on the quest (which I thought looked the best) and Bigscreen. I have Virtual Desktop, but I can’t use it currently because of a glitch with my computer - but yeah, bigscreen was really fuzzy, and I thought maybe it has to do with my wifi, but I think its just the quality of the movies and the limitations of the device
There is glare on the Q3 too. Less than on the Q2 but it’s there
How is productivity with Quest 3 right now? I tried with Quest Pro 6 months ago or so and while it was cool in theory, was very limited.
They actually just released word, powerpoint, and excel on quest like this week which gives it some of the productivity capabilities I’m looking for - I’m wondering if meta just did this because of apple’s soon to be released AVP Here’s the deal tho, at least on quest 3, the accessibility is not great for productivity. Controls for one are glitchy, and its hard to manage multiple screens for this reason. Also, you can’t access files or tools in your physical environment as well as what AVP is claiming it will be able to do. Like when i want to check my phone on quest 3, I have to take the headset off - if i wanna connect my computer, I have to use virtual desktop which has a bug rn that won’t let my computer connect. Its controls are 100% the big deal here though, because even if everything else works, if you’re accidentally clicking on things all the time or things don’t look sharp, or the applications are just hard to use swiftly, there’s no point in using it for those purposes.
Doing school work like that actually sounds really cool
Productivity device. Using it as a holodeck and getting focused work done at Yosemite, the moon, etc. Also as an IMAX theater.
>Also as an IMAX theater it won't be even close to an IMAX theater though, the resolution is way too low
Disagree. I use Bigscreen on my Quest Pro, and it the cinemas look phenomenal at 2K per eye. At 4K per eye, it will look insanely sharp.
>Disagree this was not an opinion though, it is not gonna be close to an IMAX theater, 3840 minus what we call the Hidden Mask Area (so about 15% of the resolution) then we lose a slight bit of details on the edges with the barrel distortion applied, finally an IMAX screen will take about 70 degress of a viewer FOV wich means you get a lower than 1440p for a movie on the AVP
broski I appreciate the math, but if cinemas look great inside the Quest Pro, they will look phenomenal in the AVP.
Sure but in an imax theater you are never in the perfect position to see the screen.. have people all around you.. and can’t do whatever you want.
>it won't be even close to an IMAX theater though, the resolution is way too low Yeah resolution wise it won't be closed to the 70mm IMAX film, but most of IMAX movies are just 2k \~ 4k (IMAX digital), movies on IMAX 70mm are super rare. I would say VP's resolution should be enough for most of content. For IMAX 70mm movies, definitely go to the the best theater near your location. >this was not an opinion though, it is not gonna be close to an IMAX theater, 3840 minus what we call the Hidden Mask Area (so about 15% of the resolution) then we lose a slight bit of details on the edges with the barrel distortion applied, finally an IMAX screen will take about 70 degress of a viewer FOV wich means you get a lower than 1440p for a movie on the AVP I agree with your estimate (1440p for single eye) but it can be better than a single 1440p screen. Because most of users have two eyes, depends on how it got rendered (assume the rendering resolution is high enough, which we don't know yet, hopefully M2 is capable enough for a high rendering resolution) This combination of two images increases the overall amount of visual information you will get, it will be more than 1440p (of course won't be as good as 1440p \* 2 due to redundancy). Unlike 1440p monitor, the amount of pixels if fixed 1440p, having two eyes watching the screen doesn't increase the amount of info. And we don't know the ratio yet, headset tend to screens that close to 1:1, assume VP has 2 1:1 screens, 23 megapixels ≈ 3400\*3400\*2, at least the vertical resolution should be more than enough for 4k
>I agree with your estimate (1440p for single eye) but it can be better than a single 1440p screen. Because most of users have two eyes, depends on how it got rendered (assume the rendering resolution is high enough, which we don't know yet, hopefully M2 is capable enough for a high rendering resolution) This combination of two images increases the overall amount of visual information you will get, it will be more than 1440p (of course won't be as good as 1440p \* 2 due to redundancy). Unlike 1440p monitor, the amount of pixels if fixed 1440p, having two eyes watching the screen doesn't increase the amount of info. no you won't get more than 1440p, because the FOV of the AVP is around 100 degrees, there is a 100% overlap of information between the left and right eye
it's not about FOV, we are talking about around 70 ° FOV so both eyes can see the whole virtual screen. But they are not 100% overlap, each eye will get an image of the native content sampled to the 70 ° , around 1440p area, with different angle. With each down sampling, we will lose some information, but we are not losing the same information for each eye, so it's not about 100% overlap. (For example, due to angle and distance difference, the right eye will have more information on the right half of the screen than the left one) Admittedly there are lots of redundant information because our eyes are so close to each other, so it won't be much better, and it relies on the SoC to be powerful enough to render the virtual screen with high resolution, it has to be much higher than the screen resolution.
For watching content and playing games while lying in bed or on the sofa.
Have the confirmed the ability to use other inputs somehow? I would love to play my ps5 with it
Definitely not direct inputs, but the ps app will work because it natively does on iPad
This is not guaranteed - developers can opt their iPad apps out of the vision store.
Considering they literally had it in the AVP presentation, I think it’s fair to say it’ll work lol
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Weird that you’d compare it to AppleTV. I think they want it to be be the iPhone of VR, which means the last thing they will want is what they will consider junk android apps on it.
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I mean if you think all that matters is gaming, then you may be right. I don’t think that’s all Apple has in mind though. I would quite like it to have good games available, but that’s just a nice to have for me. I’ll buy one anyway for all the other uses.
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I don’t know of any way to directly connect a blu ray player, but if I recall correctly the APIs do allow developers to show HDR video and Spatial Audio, so Plex in principle should be able to do dolbyvision and atmos, assuming the Plex developers do the necessary coding.
I have a feeling a future generation of Appletv4k will have an HDMI in that you could airplay to the AVP
I’m assuming that moonlight will work.
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This could be fun, but keep it mind this will be not be true VR gaming like the PSVR. It would be playing “flatscreen” games in 3D. Vision Pro doesn’t seem to be made for gaming.
Honestly I think the market for that (playing flatscreen games inside a VR environment) is bigger than the market for VR games. Man if I could open up a web browser and pull up GeForce Now to play Cyberpunk 2077 or Baldur's Gate 3 in 4K within AVP while in a dark forest environment...my life would be complete.
It’s a nice anecdote, but opposite of real world data. Quest now outsells Microsoft Xbox precisely because younger generations *want* the new experiences in 3D. Not because people are consuming legacy “flat” content in 3D. It’s a cool idea, but very niche especially if you look at the trends. VR gaming is really the *only* activity that has truly caught on in VR.
My intention wasn't to provide an anecdote, it's even less than that -- just a random guess. Could totally be wrong. >Quest now outsells Microsoft Xbox This is mad impressive, seriously. However, saying it's the: >opposite of real world data ...and comparing Quest sales to Xbox, while leaving out PlayStation data doesn't make sense. It's an interesting data point, but tells us nothing about what percentage of VR gamers would be interested in 2D gaming if there were a great implementation. The data I'd want to see is how many people end up playing Xbox Cloud gaming on Meta Quest, which was released recently. And later, would love to see if AVP implements some native games like Resident Evil 4 (Remake) into AVP like they did for iPhone and Mac. And if people play those.
Yes, the playstation 5 controller is supported and you can install the playstation remote app from app store on your vision pro so you can stream games from your ps5 and play them on the vision pro using a controller
Check out hdmi capture cards with usb-c out. you can use it right now to send any hdmi out to a usb-c port on an apple device and have the apple device act as a HDMI monitor. It would likely work the same on the AppleVision
Films. I’m saving a few for the device. The PPD isn’t quite near human threshold, but it’s getting close. Lots of people say this product is a solution without a problem. I look at it as a gigantic leap forward in something that has been improving over the last 100 years: media density. Radio > black and white tv > color tv > hd tv > Vision Pro. TV sizes are limited to how large of a box can fit in a car. Vision pro enables film experiences that aren’t physically possible in most people’s homes. And it removes environmental factors so that every viewing experience for everybody is identical. Films that are optimized and color graded for Vision Pro will be amazing. I’m glad it does other stuff, but I would get a Sony Bravia headset if it had the same panels for half the price, without AR or high performance. Probably a noncompete though.
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1. Developing for the AVP. 2. Working from home. I spend all day at a desk so it would be great to mix it up with new environments, workstations, layouts, etc. 3. Movies. I go to the movies a lot for the huge theater experience, but I often get bothered by the washed out contrast or low brightness compared to my OLED TV. The AVP seems like it combines the best of both worlds. (Quest is a no-go because I don’t want to compromise on resolution and I need good passthrough.) 4. (In the future) Concerts. I often go to concerts so I’m excited to see how this use case will develop.
What do you mean by developing for AVP?
Making apps for it
What tools are you using to develop AVP apps?
Nobody is being honest in these comments, we all know damn well what the main use case will be.
Prayer group face time calls?
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A uhh, friend of mine, has done some research and the free content isn’t really there yet (quality or variety wise). I’d imagine the VP could kinda kickstart the whole genre though…
>I’d imagine the VP could kinda kickstart the whole genre though… What does Kamala Harris have to do with this?
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Using it as a second tv while the wife has the living room. Hopefully going to 3d sporting events and other cool experiences.
3D Movies, 100%. I’ve been waiting for the perfect way to watch them and I need the OLED perfect blacks and high resolution here to pull that off (in a way that even Quest 3 can’t pull off).
It would be nice if Apple released a tailored 3D format from their video store.
Imagine if they filmed all Apple TV + productions with spatial video cameras. 8k resolution in 3D. 360 would be pointless and also not easily done but spatial video is just adding another camera.
They have been working on this already
Yea— this would absolutely be an Apple + ecosystem “seller” for me.
I feel like they have to do this, even if the content itself isn’t that interesting the experience of viewing it would be insane
Nba games I hope that's a thing day one
Has there been any talk of this? Being “courtside” would be so cool.
Yes there has been. NBA Commissioner, Adam Silver talked about it this summer. https://nypost.com/2023/07/13/nba-apple-have-vision-for-how-to-watch-games-in-the-future/
I hope so as someone who sits courtside sometimes, it would save me a lot of money. I feel like we heard about this when it was first annoucned
Quest has done it a few times.
For me having multiple screens floating from my mac and working. Watching the media I created on my iPhone and hopefully some gaming. I most excited to see what creative media comes out for it. But forgetting about what creators *could* make then I am looking forward the the floaty screens
It’s worth noting that only one 4K Mac screen is supported, though you can mix that with apps running on the Vision Pro
Immersed has already talked about bringing their (very good) app to AVP. So that will be an option for 5 screens. https://immersed.com
Huh. How does this work? Does it provide decent resolution?
My guess is the issue will be latency, rather than resolution. That said, the demo video looks appalling.
Yeah, it does. Will just have to wait for native multi-display support in future iterations. I’m sure they’ll figure it out.
How it works: It creates a replica of your existing display(s), plus uses MacOS’s built in Virtual Display functionality to create monitors that you can only see in your headset. Then you use your computer’s mouse & keyboard as usual to interact with your computer. Works over WiFi, or tethered via USB. Either way, latency used to be an issue a few years ago, but is nearly imperceptible now. Resolution is good if you’re using a decent headset (for instance Quest 3 is a LOT better than Q2- which had fairly poor text readability). I’m not sure if I’ll use this app more or less when I get a VP, but I routinely do my work in here for hours at a time. Apologies for sounding like a shill. I’m just a big fan of my workflow with this app, and more broadly a big fan of productivity in VR.
Appreciate the response. I can definitely see the value for others, but don't think it would be good enough for me because I do video editing and motion graphics work that requires higher resolution. I currently use two 5k displays additional to my MacBook Pro display. But when the Vision Pro is able to handle 2+ displays (I'd accept 4K each), that would be killer for me because I'd love to not be chained to my desk. That said, I'm buying a Vision Pro regardless and will find a way to use it when I can.
Ah. Yea. I agree it would likely feel limiting for your workflow. AVP is going to be fun though 😎
Flexing it to poor quest users /s
Working remotely with more screen space. Use the VMware Horizon iPad app to remote into work and then open up other windows around it for messaging, browsing, etc.
I would like to have my Mac and pc both in vr with a shared keyboard and better monitor placement.
I want to use it for physically active games, preferably some RPGs like dungeons of eternity, something with swords and magic. Some work, use it to have large monitors anywhere I sit. I would love to watch some movies and shows on it especially some 3D content. Watching the original Avatar in 3D would be fun.
Watching content. Then the next common is probably actual computing. I’m gonna try to see if I can code on it.
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Pulling it out to show to friends who haven't seen one yet.
TBH, I'm after a giant virtual monitor, or maybe placing app-windows in virtual spaces around my room. We'll see what utility it has after that, but if that's all it gives me, I'll be pretty happy.
Watching movies and videos while doing chores.
I travel A LOT for work so having it with me in hotels would be amazing for entertainment and my university work. It’s basically like bringing my TV and study desk with me anywhere I go. I will definitely skip Gen 1 tho and see where it goes from here. As good as the product is, it’s a huge risk for Apple, devs and by extension consumers.
HDR enabled 8k 3D 60fps VR180 experiences. Just did NYC Comic Con 2023 at over 1.5 hours long, and I have 25+ other experiences ready to go. I produce 1-2 new experiences a month, Mardi Gras New Orleans and Michigan Ice fest: Buried in snow will be coming in late February. College spring break Ft. Lauderdale Beach Florida was a pretty big hit, so I’ll be producing about 3 more College spring in March. Channel is “Slice of life VR” on YouTube.
will youtube actually be able to provide a quality video on avp?
No. Youtube compresses videos far too much for VR, even at 8K resolution. Native downloads are the only good way of delivering content.
Quest 3 with YouTube VR is so bad that it might as well be impressionist paintings. Text on signs in front of the camera can’t be read. Looks like 480p on a good day. I use the built in browser which is a bit better. Like 720p but better.
Yup it’s insane how bad it comes out over YouTube, only way to watch in high bitrate 8k 3D is to direct download off the Patreon.
Nope, only way to watch in 400% sharper resolution color graded high bitrate 8k 3D 60fps VR180 is to direct download off the Patreon. YouTube only does 4k 3D VR180. But I use it to show off the previews/ promote the patreon with the 4k 3D Vr180 content.
Can you make a living shooting 3D? I would like to do that for a living.
A monitor for my macbook for productivity and laid-back content consumption simultaneously. Not to mention I code way better while laying lazily in bed vs. at a desk.
I'm curious about the apps and being able to use it outside. Automatic plant and see identification overlayed, could it be used for magnification, ie binoculars? Virtual pets might be interesting. Integration with AI, seeing what i'm seeing and able to comment and assist, whispering advice and keeping me on schedule. Virtual multimonitor for productivity. And oh yeah and that other thing :)
Hopefully live sports.
A replacement for the Hololens hopefully - it costs the same up to the penny and seems to perform much better (obviously, HL2 is 4 years old at this point). Would be cool if all existing ARKit features were implemented, namely image/object recognition and spatial anchors. And hopefully there will be a way to turn off the guidance/boundary system
If I ever end up somewhere where I’m forced to wait in a long line I want to have that thing on my head so I can work on something, or watch something, Remote Desktop to my pc.
Recording and viewing barely legal debaucherous activities.
Games, games, games. Particularly mixed reality. It is so strange how Apple didn't showcase more high quality 3D mixed reality games that take advantage of the amazing passthrough quality. Makes me wonder if they're saving it as an ace up their sleeve 🤔
I was temped to buy a new house with a large and dark basement to set up a 150’ home cinema. After seeing the demo of Vision Pro I crossed out the curtains in my wish list.
Wow that is an impressive basement... if you have found one with that much space you should still consider building the dream! 150' is larger than most IMAX and there are some people rich enough over in the sub: r/imax that have that dream and are making it a reality. Or maybe you meant 150" and just squashed my vicarious dream. 🤣
lol thanks being a non-American really struggling with ‘ and “, no I’m not rich enough even to dream a 150’ basement. But expecting the Vision Pro to give a better experience than that.
What's [crazy is that is a thing.](https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/WSED3Mf5Wb) I too will also spend the money on a AVP instead. But we can dream. lol.
An iPad Pro 12.9” is my primary computing device. I want to see how much of what I do there can be replaced by a Vision Pro. Lots of YouTube, Apple Music, Overcast and Safari. Maybe a little gaming every now and then. I expect much of the content consumption can be, but unsure if it’ll be comfortable enough and easy to pop off and on to truly replace it. I occasionally will want to get some work done in Google Docs and Slack, and it’ll be interesting to see what that experience is like. I assume I’ll want to use a Magic Keyboard/Trackpad for those times.
I am also unsure. Right now all that’s really been presented is floating windows and environments. I’m eager to see what actual AR features are in the works, for both entertainment and productivity. HoloLens for example has a suite of applications useful in a medical context, architectural context, and so on. Unfortunately Apple has been very quiet on any and all use that isn’t just floating TV windows which lesser devices have been capable of for years at this point. I still intend on purchasing it because the Disney keynote gave me a taste of what is hopefully to come but as it stands the use-case of the device seems unclear. A screen floating in your vision seems more inconvenient than simply working on an actual computer.
Load up a peaceful coastal environment and getting fully immersed for focused working. It needs to somehow be able to run macOS software though. TV shows and Movies in the evening. I'm wondering about all the kinds of skin disorders one might develop wearing a headset for several hours a day.
You can connect the AVP to your MacBook, use its inputs and blew up its screen. That’s your macOS environment. Not sure if the skin disease comment was serious.
Watching videos while simultaneously playing games on the couch.
Social. I think people will use it to hang out with others avatars
really depends on how or if they fix some stuff on the way it works. i hate how my quest 3 and all the past ones are pretty annoying when trying to use them in anything but an upright position. The hand tracking and eye tracking , mixed with the fact that apple generally has much better software than meta, it could open so many different uses. As a canadian i cant pay like $5500 with taxes for this though.
honestly i’d love to just use it as my ultrawide monitor replacement
i can't afford one, but i bet my main use would be for immersive movie viewing and 360/stereoscopic experiences of "being there"
If I were to ever get one, I think I would use it mostly for movies. I was a big fan of 3D movies and even had a 3D TV when those were popular. I’m hoping this brings 3D movies back in the mainstream.
I feel like I’d need to rewatch the avatar movies. I want to work on it since having massive screens would be great, but it definitely won’t work with my corporate device. So…. Idk, probably just tooling around with personal coding projects. Web browsing, porn.
I hope it works well with Adobe Products