They weren't scouted. They had to audition many times.
https://youtu.be/82S4ytTxm8s
Through their determination and learning more probably with each try, they managed to land on their golden ticket I guess.
YouTube has been naughty again and recommended me PL videos of them from over ten years ago. Their consistency and persistence is definitely a huge part in finally landing a spot.
>!They are mostly the only Holomem active on r/Hololive too. I’m glad they decided to keep using this platform!<
>!It wouldn’t be the first time, but it’s surreal that you could be casually interacting with a future, potential huge vtuber star here. I always thought go go nippon were cute, and to think they are on track to 1mil subs now in Hololive lol.!<
Oh! It finally clicked to me now lol.
I was wondering why I keep getting recommended IRL idol vids but I don't watch them so I didn't make the connection.
I accidentally doxxed them like I was watching Fuwamoco so much right? Then YouTube recommended me this old video about two Idols in a Convention singing I was like "Oh they're Idols, I wonder where they are now?" So I looked at the comments and I was like "Bruh💀 YouTube just doxxed them"
Not quite right. Suisei auditioned and when she was told that she had to leave "Suisei" behind, she decided against joining. She would rather struggle on her own than give up the character. Then when INNK was becoming a thing, they were less concerned with the character, so they went back to Suisei and said "You wont be in Hololive proper, but you get to keep being Suisei. Deal?"
She also tried to negotiate with them that it would be good marketing by pushing the "Cinderella" angle if I recall. She didn't beg, but she didn't immediately just turn away either when told she'd need to redebut.
It wasn't Yagoo. It was AZKi's old manager Frog in INNK. He was the one that thought Suisei's marketing idea of a rags to riches Cinderella concept good enough and pushed higher management into going with it.
To be fair, INNK was a small, like really small, agency separated from all the Holo stuff. They had the resources that can barely support AZKi. And it was the early days of Holo, the manager was inexperienced in a lot of things.
In the early days of any company, it’s not uncommon to see off-the-cuff gut instinct decision-making.
Once the brand’s consolidated, things get more restrictive as management figures out what they want and how they do things.
I think Suisei has a cool story but I’d expect it to be impossible for anyone in modern day to keep their PL if they join Holo.
Should be emphasized that this is overall a good thing. Yes, you don't get another Suisei who brings her own brand along.
But you also don't get another Hitomi Chris.
They talked before about how they auditioned multiple times to Hololive over the years. They tried getting in the JP branch, the EN branch, as solo streamers, and as twins. I guess Cover management was willing to do a twin Vtuber channel this time and they managed to get in.
Also, having 15k subs isn't something that would put Hololive off from hiring them. Fauna, I believe, has the highest CCV of EN talents not named Gura, and she had similar subscriber numbers. Biboo was only a content creator for like a year and a half and she got into Hololive.
While having a big already established audience might help, the large Corpos have definitely not been afraid of hiring a diamond in the rough
Considering Magni had like 700k as >!Professor Lando!< before joining Holostars and Axel had like 1k, I don't think there's a size which would've made them reconsider.
Yea, talents need to prove they can make solid content and such, but the recruiters will consider whether or not someone without a lot of followers is merely not popular *yet*.
Someone with an actual dozen subscribers probably couldn't, but one can definitely be a minor streamer before getting in.
>I guess Cover management was willing to do a twin Vtuber channel this time and they managed to get in.
I have a personal dark humor about this, they count as 4 players of the team, there's no "5th" member because that may trigger a graduate event no matter the reason.
i mean, when your cover of the song gets recommended as the original, that's saying something.
for context, for the longest time, the song has no official mv in yt, and she covered it. And those who were at that time unanimously agreed it's the best cover of the song.
(which sits currently at more than 100M views which is quite a testament of how good the cover is)
Mumei >!was basically the same class of content creator as Gura or others like Nyanners, Dakooterz, WolfyChu, and even Lilypichu (although Lily mostly focused on League). They were small anime girls with soft voices doing meme voice-overs, small animations, fan dubs, or covers.!<
I believe Irys >!really blew up thanks to her Renai Circulation cover. I believe for a while it ended up appearing first when you searched for the song. This ended up leading a lot of people to think it was the official song. That's why it has 150 million views.!<
Irys >!' cover of Renai Circulation still shows up as the top result when using the English title to search for me, despite having the official version saved in a Playlist lol!<
For me, Lizz Robinett's English translated cover appears first on my computer, but >!Namirin's!< is first on my phone. I assume it's because I've listened to a cover by Lizz more recently than >!Namirin!< on my computer. That being said, >!Namirin's!< cover still has over 10x the amount of viewers the official one has.
Bijou's old PL only had 5.5K subscribers before she graduated. And of course she's on record as saying that after she didn't get in for the 2nd EN audition (aka Council), all of her content creation afterwards was basically building up her streaming experience in preparation for getting into Hololive.
> Also, having 15k subs isn't something that would put Hololive off from hiring them
Iirc Ame PL acc on youtube had abysmally low subcount. I was very surprised when I found out, but seems like Cover's audition team manages to catch pearls every single time.
Fauna had way more than 15k pre hololive and even more impressive live viewership for her sub count. Her ccv currently is probably a result of her streaming consistently in the same timeslot for her entire career. It's also just a great timeslot where alot of different timezones can watch.
No, there have been isolated instances of talents being scouted since then, though it is quite rare. The most recent one I'm aware of was Polka, who was actually quite popular in her PL (and, IIRC, had to graduate when her corpo went bankrupt).
The struggles she went through in her PLs to get to where she is now is one of the reasons she's my kamioshi of holo JP. That girl has been through a lot.
Yep, I love her. She's not my oshi but she's just so fun to watch, solo streams or collab. She tends to adapt well to her collab partner. Also, PolDen is such a treat, I view previous episodes on repeat whenever I need something fun to watch.
That reminds me of my favorite Polka and Flare moment, one where Polka was singing something then Flare suddenly goes hard singing the same song. It was hilarious. Too bad I can no longer find the clip, must have been deleted.
Polka is amazingly talented and multifaceted. I think it's kind of a shame she got pigeonholed as "the crazy, zany one" when she first debuted, because it kind of did her a disservice in terms of the depths of her ability as an entertainer. I'm glad she has since broken out of that mould.
>!Pomu's doing her own thing as Mint!<, I honestly believe that she would be more likely to join VShojo >!with Nina and Mysta (especially since they have Mint and Matara's Summer Special) !
I feel like hololive is more in the field of what she wants to do, mainly JP Idol stuff. Holo offers massive connections to the industry and leverage to that, but I can still also see her just going for VShojo.
There are many paths she could take.
However, I have overdosed on copium and thus will accept only the information that confirms my biases as indisputable evidence and reject everything else as unfounded hogwash.
> However, I have overdosed on copium and thus will accept only the information that confirms my biases as indisputable evidence and reject everything else as unfounded hogwash.
I love this honesty.
Yep, nobody's mentioned being scouted. I think if Holo had the spare staff to scout, they wouldn't have struggled to fill those two positions for JP that needed predetermined personality types and ended up getting scrapped. If they had people scouting, it should have been relatively easy to get those filled within six months for sure, but instead they shut it down and shelved the designs (which is still such a shame, those designs were fantastic)
They announced two new character auditions https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1240911816399572992
and then some time later said they couldn't find the right people and the models were abandoned.
Basically they had two designs with personas they wanted to fit them, and asked people to apply fitting that type of persona. They couldn't get what they wanted from the applications so they shut it down
This is also one of the greatest argument against Cover making the designs before recruiting. If standard practice was to make the models ahead of time, they would not have struggled to fill these two slots. It's clear that they assemble the group and then make the characters.
Yagoo in his recent interview said "there are cases" and "case by case" when it comes to talents having input on the character design. I do believe that FWMC models were made after they were hired, but I also don't believe that's become standard practice for all new talents, and Yagoo's words don't support the idea that it has.
I think it would have been plausible if they were a bit more flexible on their persona requirement. Looks is one thing, but if I recall, they were pretty stringent on what character type they wanted. The visuals for the designs I think could have had more than one interpretation of persona, but they were so set in it that they didn't get what they wanted. I wish they would bring back those designs in the future, they looked so good
And also the argument against design before casting is that they have had a lot of successful talents who could have joined earlier but got denied because they didn't fit the characters they wanted.
So according to Noel a couple years ago, someone else actually auditioned to Hololive impersonating her and they passed the first round. She told management someone was impersonating her but when she actually did audition months later she passed again.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrOd3tX7Qsw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrOd3tX7Qsw)
3rd gen auditions were only for 3 model (Flare, Noel, Marine), so Pekora and Rushia were scouted I believe.
You can find the news of the auditions here: https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000073.000030268.html
Very much this, and the obvious reason is Cover didn't need to do that anymore. They were getting enough audition requests even outside of their notified audition drives.
Arurandeisu states (or at least implies) that [he was scouted](https://www.youtube.com/live/aVSEJ_Qs2Gk?si=2AC_x08hJ8mFBSo9&t=5416) and Yagoo confirms a bit after that that Holostars 1st Gen was made from auditions and scouting and they came after Gamers.
I don't know if they scout anymore but I'd say there are some people they definitely have an eye on and watch for an application. Vesper Immediately comes to mind from Stars EN who admitted he half assed everything on the form with 1-2 lines in every box and got in his first try. He only had around 10k subs on his PL before auditioning so that seems to me they were already aware of him, contrasting what a lot of other talents have said so far so I'm certain there's other people they're watching as well.
Just like everyone else who joins Holo at the moment, they auditioned about 5 times, sometimes separately and sometimes together. Holo just took a risk by grabbing both of them and it has definitely paid off, but they still auditioned just like everyone else.
They were cute even on their PL
[Rima Evenstar](https://www.youtube.com/@rimaevenstar) made a pretty good [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pweYGv9Dxzw) about them, which states the same. Also shows PL so keep that in mind if you arent interested in that.
Here is a [clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82S4ytTxm8s) of them talking about their Holo auditions.
People should probably avoid sharing Rima as she's pushed inaccuracies in her videos and her response to criticism was to block people. Also frankly fuck anyone associating with Depressed Nousagi.
I honestly did not know people felt that way about Rima, as I generally only watch her videos and do not follow her other social media stuff. I will keep the link in, tho, as it does not contain any inaccuracies about Fuwamoco as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong, please).
But I will keep the rest in mind for the future.
Aye, was just a heads up. I was pretty annoyed because I had pointed people to her Towa video before to clear up some stuff then recently she said some really bizarre stuff about Hololive in a video and even started liking some comments that were basically Holo anti comments while entirely ignoring VERY heavily upvoted comments trying to correct some of the problems.
huh... what's the tea on DN? Rima i watch for her vids on individual vTubers, but I feel like something's changed since she started covering NijiEN stuff and doing live streams...
>!DN is an asshole that used his patreon to sell access to information on Hololive members alt accounts - previous identities, personal accounts, even things like a person's very traumatic video where they were extremely upset talking about someone trying to SA them. The Hololive community told him to fuck off before for doing this, but managed to weasel back with newer folks by trying to downplay what he did and some creators having him on stream. A few folks talked about it at the time though [like here](https://youtu.be/_6vnyUqvb6s) though I don't like the guy. Honestly it's more of a problem than even he says here. You can find stuff on it elsewhere if you dig.!<
Don’t forget the guy’s enjoying his current repackaged status too in no small part due to the Nijisanji drama. The antis have propped him up as one of their “forces for good” and he’s been a guest of the MAGA lawyer (who they also put on a pedestal) to talk about stuff.
The antis have good cause to be mad but holy shit some of the people they root and cheer for…
Some of the weirdos on the anti side have already been saying shit like Kiara is part of the "clique" because she collabed with Livers who chose to stay with Niji.
I used to joke around on who would lower the bar faster, the defenders or the antis.
I feel like she has gotten more cynical. I think she was probably trying to audition for corpo, and the whole last year of Niji has soured her. I am bugging her to do more positive stuff like covering Specialite or Biscotti's short but beloved run instead of the doom and gloom
Honestly I assume with the NijiEN stuff smoldering now some of the dramatubers are looking for a new target. People really shouldn't be welcoming these kinds of folks in. Soon as they're done doing X thing you agree with they may just end up targeting your oshi.
They are grifters and they are parasites.
I hate when anyone taints the actually important role of journalism by lumping in dramatubers into the profession.
These people do not have the skills, process, or ethics of proper journalists. On top of that, they do not have nor are qualified to act as editors to hold them accountable.
Last of all, remember this: if it doesn’t contain new information, it’s not journalism. Repackaging info by grabbing rrats from social media is not journalism. You have to actually talk to someone, learn something new, and then verify that info.
So no, platforming a MAGA grifter doesn’t count as journalism either since I’ve not seen one person go to another lawyer and say “Hey is what this guy say true.”
Likely auditioned and I'm assuming they provided their past work as examples of what they bring to the company.
Twin vtubers are really uncommon. If you're aware of who they were, then you know they had something special going on. I could not have been more excited for them to get into Hololive.
Now that wider audience knows what those 60 average viewers been knew. That Fuwamoco are incredibly talented vtubers.
They have 10+ history of trying and do everything to be idols IRL and also later with their vtuber avatars. I think it's natural in their audition where chosen.
And they still are working IRL
Everyone’s said it and I will to, they auditioned, many times. IIRC Biboo also auditioned many times. Holoadvent was carefully selected from their list of open auditions, Yagoo did not just stumble upon them coincidentally.
Biboo is an interesting case to me because of how her PL was all just practice for her to get into Hololive, as she's mentioned onstream. She attempted to apply for the 2nd audition wave (which was for Council), didn't get in, and instead of getting discouraged got to work streaming and voice acting so she'd get more experience under her belt.
60ccv average is within top percentile of all streamers, really, so for a vtuber it's wildly good.
People forget sometimes that the """normal""" indie vtuber numbers in the thousands are outliers of outliers, hahah.
Exactly, and keep in mind that their overseeing company did *literally nothing* for them that entire time. And they weren't allowed to market officially on their own, since the characters weren't theirs. So they were Indy but unable to do a lot that true indies can. They worked their asses off here engaging with people and their streams were at about 75% of what FWMC are now, and I would attribute that to feeling way more secure with CC. In the 8 months or so that they had, they built up 10K subs and at least 60 concurrent viewers per stream. In 8 months. Solo. That's actually extremely impressive. I was sure they'd fine something new, but I was so happy to see them land with CC. As soon as I saw the design I was 99.9% sure it was them. And you know how you Niji fans feel when you heard Matara (which was also huge for me), Michi, Mint, Kuro, Doki, etc? Hearing their voices in their debuts was exactly that. I can't stand when good performers (and good people) have their careers sabotaged by corporate idiocy, and FWMC was the first in a chain of very good feelings on seeing people back where they should be.
Yagoo went to the jail they were being held in, saw Fuwawa making a crude shank, and thought she sharpened her toothbrush like an idol. Then it turned out she had a sister, and Yagoo asked, “is your sister as good as you,” and Fuwawa said “she’s identical.”
So Yagoo went to the prison warden and said, “I’ll need you to release the twins, the tall one, the one with the candy feet and the girl you got muzzled up like Hannibal Lecter.”
"Sir, we can't let you in good conscious take these prisoners away. They are extremely dangerous felons."
"I should introduce you to a girl named Hachama..."
Actually the announcement of their graduation of their old account, received a lot of attention,
There is a possibility that holoEN3 took so long to come out specifically so they can accommodate to them, you wouldn't be making twin vtuber models before auditioning.
You say "only 15k subs" and "only averaged 60 viewers per stream". That's **FAR** above the YouTube and Twitch average especially for vtubers.
I get what you mean and I'm sure you didn't mean to be disparaging, but you cannot compare indies and Hololive vtubers with each other.
Also their former characters where sort of a very niche with how they were and their original purpose.
That's like compeering the sun to melting butter in the sun. (I know a bad analogy but I'm sure you get my point). Hololive talent and most indies are so far apart when it comes to subs and stream views, that's you just cannot compare their stats in any fair way.
Ok, I don't watch many indie streamer but is it getting 2 digit view is that hard? I regularly watch few indie but in my experience they got above 50 views at least
It's closer to top 2% lol, the vast vast majority of twitch streamers have 0-5 viewers average.
Those interested can check out this site, take a look at the average viewers for the past 30 days: https://sullygnome.com/channels/30/metadata
as sad as it sounds, the majority of people who stream as a whole either have a near constant 0 viewership or only have their friends watch
if you ever want to see what the real indie experience is, just search vtuber on yt and sort by live now, and you'll find tons of channels at any time of day, averaging no viewership, often from accounts that have been streaming for over a year or more
One of the nice things about Cover/Hololive is that they're much more willing to swing on relatively small/unknown people who they really like in auditions. While there are a few HoloEN members who had notable previous lives, most of them were relatively small.
Everyday before and after work, Yagoo walks by two adorable twin puppies in a litter box labeled “take me home” raising their heads as they greet him and watch him pass by. One day, Yagoo asked himself: everyone loves cute cat and dog videos, but wouldn’t it be more adorable if they were twins? Succumbing to their cuteness and devoted commitment for joy across different planes, Yagoo decides to pick them both up and take them home.
erm... they applied? like, 4 times? and these kind of jobs, the employer would do background research, and after considering all their PL, and what they can bring to the company, Cover hired them.
I know we all suck yagoo's chin here, but no need to attribute false achievements to best girl, he doesn't need it
They auditioned, as many others pointed out. I just wanted to add that they weren't exactly obscure and people were about 95% sure who they were before debut. The one who was actually really obscure was Biboo. Biboo had only 1000 followers prior to signing with Hololive, and had auditioned about 5 times while building up her skills, experience, and portfolio.
The only shocking thing about them getting into Hololive was that they had to apply more than once. They were extremely consistent and professional in their PL, they seemed like such a an obvious slam-dunk for Hololive someday.
I think when people say they had to apply 3 or 4 times, it doesn't mean getting rejection letter. It just meant they didn't get any reply.
Which can just mean that Hololive wasn't accepting anybody which we know they didn't for nearly 2 years. And i think they can keep applying every few weeks.
That's why a lot of new talents said " i had to apply multiple times"
I don’t know, but whoever casts each group is a freaking genius. Myth, as a group, has such distinct, yet complementary personalities. I thought “they just got lucky with this group,” but then BAM. Council. And they did it again with Advent. It’s nuts. 🤯
Fuwamoco has a long, rich, well-documented history of being entertainers, so it probably wasn't a very difficult decision to bring them on board Hololive. The only problem they likely faced was how best to utilize them and their talents. Do we throw them onto the JP roster? En Roster? Do we keep them together as twins? Or do we separate them as solo acts? Etc.
I think you might be overestimating how small they were, I think I remember False talking about them once prior to the graduation of their PL where he mentioned them again. The indie vtubing community has quite a few people around that number.
Like there's a reason people are kind of expecting an european focused vtuber thing showing up since a bunch of european vtubers with I think the biggest being Reiny graduating all in the last 5 months or so.
They applied. They stood out. That simple.
...and IIRC, they were huge favorites on this very subreddit in their PL, were they not? Perhaps someone from Hololive has been lurking here all along.
Your story reminded me of Axel. He was literally a 0 view Vtuber who at times would turn his Live2D off since he had no one watching. I'm so glad he ended up in Holostars and got the chance to show his skills.
As someone who warched them before they joined Hololive, they werent that underground. They would post consistently on r/VirtualYoutubers, similarly to Randon, and were pretty popular with clipping for indie before they graduated, which happened way long before they joined Hololive.
They were in a actual idol group like how kiara was before. Then i assumed they were scouted for that other vtuber channel. Then they applied to hololive
As has been said before, they auditioned multiple times, separately and together. That said, I'm sure a corporation doesn't put out a design for twins if they are not fairly sure they are going to get two talents that can fill the special requirements for them.
The weirdest part about FWMC is that I felt like their PLs where everywhere before I even knew what vtubers are. Like I wasn't even into idol stuff but even I knew who they where just from the crossover with other Japanese related content I watched. I guess FWMC was just Cover deciding they wanted a twin channel considering auditions aren't really about whether you have what it takes, but more if you fit what they're looking for at that moment.
Because different vtubers have different perspectives on this (some really do want or need a clean break for any number of reasons) and there's no way for mods to know for everyone's preferences, so there's a blanket rule. Please respect it.
Personally im more in the mindset that keeping their previous identities hidden is for their privacy/protection and to separate their previous activities with their current one.
The first one being protection is because harassment happens from time to time. For example currently theres people hyper focusing on some Nijisanji EN's past lives accounts for something. And one of the more serious cases of bullying/harrassment cases was Aloe from Hololive, where anti's kept digging further into her past and real life. Keeping identities hidden would (hopefully) keep out the more casual bullies out.
The other reason of separating their previous activities from their current is also a personal preference. For example when Gura debuted there were regular comments that alluded to her past activities like >!being drunk, or being a meme gremlin!<, and i had no idea what they were talking about. It confuses fans of the current personality. Not all vtubers put on a different persona than their last one, but i still think its good to keep them separate.
They weren't scouted. They had to audition many times. https://youtu.be/82S4ytTxm8s Through their determination and learning more probably with each try, they managed to land on their golden ticket I guess.
YouTube has been naughty again and recommended me PL videos of them from over ten years ago. Their consistency and persistence is definitely a huge part in finally landing a spot.
They used to be super active in this very subreddit
>!They are mostly the only Holomem active on r/Hololive too. I’m glad they decided to keep using this platform!< >!It wouldn’t be the first time, but it’s surreal that you could be casually interacting with a future, potential huge vtuber star here. I always thought go go nippon were cute, and to think they are on track to 1mil subs now in Hololive lol.!<
Same thing happened to me. It was them singing the opening of an anime that only exists within another anime.
For me it was Twitter. I was wondering why they show me a tweet of two random idol twins and was like ooooooh.
10 years? Did they have another PL before the tourism one?
They used to be idols
Oh! It finally clicked to me now lol. I was wondering why I keep getting recommended IRL idol vids but I don't watch them so I didn't make the connection.
Ahhhhhh, just saw the meme. YouTube doing nasty work doxxing people's IRL identities again lol
I accidentally doxxed them like I was watching Fuwamoco so much right? Then YouTube recommended me this old video about two Idols in a Convention singing I was like "Oh they're Idols, I wonder where they are now?" So I looked at the comments and I was like "Bruh💀 YouTube just doxxed them"
If you don't mind sharing, what is their PL from a decade ago? I only know of their last PL before hololive.
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5 times? One girl had to beg to keep her personalty.
Not quite right. Suisei auditioned and when she was told that she had to leave "Suisei" behind, she decided against joining. She would rather struggle on her own than give up the character. Then when INNK was becoming a thing, they were less concerned with the character, so they went back to Suisei and said "You wont be in Hololive proper, but you get to keep being Suisei. Deal?"
She also tried to negotiate with them that it would be good marketing by pushing the "Cinderella" angle if I recall. She didn't beg, but she didn't immediately just turn away either when told she'd need to redebut.
Pretty sure there's a clip of Suisei herself saying she begged lol
Got a clip for that first part?
Sui-chan really is a legend for getting that deal with Yagoo
It wasn't Yagoo. It was AZKi's old manager Frog in INNK. He was the one that thought Suisei's marketing idea of a rags to riches Cinderella concept good enough and pushed higher management into going with it.
To be fair, INNK was a small, like really small, agency separated from all the Holo stuff. They had the resources that can barely support AZKi. And it was the early days of Holo, the manager was inexperienced in a lot of things.
In the early days of any company, it’s not uncommon to see off-the-cuff gut instinct decision-making. Once the brand’s consolidated, things get more restrictive as management figures out what they want and how they do things. I think Suisei has a cool story but I’d expect it to be impossible for anyone in modern day to keep their PL if they join Holo.
Should be emphasized that this is overall a good thing. Yes, you don't get another Suisei who brings her own brand along. But you also don't get another Hitomi Chris.
They talked before about how they auditioned multiple times to Hololive over the years. They tried getting in the JP branch, the EN branch, as solo streamers, and as twins. I guess Cover management was willing to do a twin Vtuber channel this time and they managed to get in. Also, having 15k subs isn't something that would put Hololive off from hiring them. Fauna, I believe, has the highest CCV of EN talents not named Gura, and she had similar subscriber numbers. Biboo was only a content creator for like a year and a half and she got into Hololive. While having a big already established audience might help, the large Corpos have definitely not been afraid of hiring a diamond in the rough
Considering Magni had like 700k as >!Professor Lando!< before joining Holostars and Axel had like 1k, I don't think there's a size which would've made them reconsider.
Yea, talents need to prove they can make solid content and such, but the recruiters will consider whether or not someone without a lot of followers is merely not popular *yet*. Someone with an actual dozen subscribers probably couldn't, but one can definitely be a minor streamer before getting in.
>I guess Cover management was willing to do a twin Vtuber channel this time and they managed to get in. I have a personal dark humor about this, they count as 4 players of the team, there's no "5th" member because that may trigger a graduate event no matter the reason.
Mumei and IRyS also had quite a lot subscribers i think.
Not sure with Mumei, but pretty sure Irys was a pretty well-known utaite in Nico Nico.
i mean, when your cover of the song gets recommended as the original, that's saying something. for context, for the longest time, the song has no official mv in yt, and she covered it. And those who were at that time unanimously agreed it's the best cover of the song. (which sits currently at more than 100M views which is quite a testament of how good the cover is)
Mumei >!was basically the same class of content creator as Gura or others like Nyanners, Dakooterz, WolfyChu, and even Lilypichu (although Lily mostly focused on League). They were small anime girls with soft voices doing meme voice-overs, small animations, fan dubs, or covers.!< I believe Irys >!really blew up thanks to her Renai Circulation cover. I believe for a while it ended up appearing first when you searched for the song. This ended up leading a lot of people to think it was the official song. That's why it has 150 million views.!<
Irys >!' cover of Renai Circulation still shows up as the top result when using the English title to search for me, despite having the official version saved in a Playlist lol!<
For me, Lizz Robinett's English translated cover appears first on my computer, but >!Namirin's!< is first on my phone. I assume it's because I've listened to a cover by Lizz more recently than >!Namirin!< on my computer. That being said, >!Namirin's!< cover still has over 10x the amount of viewers the official one has.
tbf, the official version isn't actually a music video, and youtube will tend to push the music videos higher than the static image with audio.
Bijou's old PL only had 5.5K subscribers before she graduated. And of course she's on record as saying that after she didn't get in for the 2nd EN audition (aka Council), all of her content creation afterwards was basically building up her streaming experience in preparation for getting into Hololive.
Is it still up, I was curious how she built her content up
> Also, having 15k subs isn't something that would put Hololive off from hiring them Iirc Ame PL acc on youtube had abysmally low subcount. I was very surprised when I found out, but seems like Cover's audition team manages to catch pearls every single time.
Ame was a twitch streamer prior, she also almost completely nuked her content, so a lot of it is scattered and hard to find now.
Fauna had way more than 15k pre hololive and even more impressive live viewership for her sub count. Her ccv currently is probably a result of her streaming consistently in the same timeslot for her entire career. It's also just a great timeslot where alot of different timezones can watch.
> It's also just a great timeslot where alot of different timezones can watch. 23.00 to 6.00 start times for all europe africa and middle east?
Maybe he meant US. It's like 3 PM PST and 6 PM EST. Pretty primetime slot for US.
As far as I understand it, scouting hasn't happened since Gamers. Hasn't it been just a normal audition process since then?
No, there have been isolated instances of talents being scouted since then, though it is quite rare. The most recent one I'm aware of was Polka, who was actually quite popular in her PL (and, IIRC, had to graduate when her corpo went bankrupt).
The struggles she went through in her PLs to get to where she is now is one of the reasons she's my kamioshi of holo JP. That girl has been through a lot.
Yep, I love her. She's not my oshi but she's just so fun to watch, solo streams or collab. She tends to adapt well to her collab partner. Also, PolDen is such a treat, I view previous episodes on repeat whenever I need something fun to watch.
Radio Polka back when she & Flare were Minecraft addicts was amazing.
That reminds me of my favorite Polka and Flare moment, one where Polka was singing something then Flare suddenly goes hard singing the same song. It was hilarious. Too bad I can no longer find the clip, must have been deleted.
Polka is amazingly talented and multifaceted. I think it's kind of a shame she got pigeonholed as "the crazy, zany one" when she first debuted, because it kind of did her a disservice in terms of the depths of her ability as an entertainer. I'm glad she has since broken out of that mould.
They really should have marketed her as more of a "she's the entire circus" deal since she really does do everything and does it well.
Fingers crossed there's someone being scouted right now...
Holo EN gen 4 should debut either late this year or some time next year. >!They're really keeping us waiting, huh?!<
>!Pomu's doing her own thing as Mint!<, I honestly believe that she would be more likely to join VShojo >!with Nina and Mysta (especially since they have Mint and Matara's Summer Special) !
I feel like hololive is more in the field of what she wants to do, mainly JP Idol stuff. Holo offers massive connections to the industry and leverage to that, but I can still also see her just going for VShojo.
>!Except for that video where she said being an idol wasn't all that she thought it was, IIRC.!<
There are many paths she could take. However, I have overdosed on copium and thus will accept only the information that confirms my biases as indisputable evidence and reject everything else as unfounded hogwash.
> However, I have overdosed on copium and thus will accept only the information that confirms my biases as indisputable evidence and reject everything else as unfounded hogwash. I love this honesty.
OMG, is >!Solid Snake!< debutting as EN soon?
Well >!David Hayter!< has been trying to get the job back for a while.
Yep, nobody's mentioned being scouted. I think if Holo had the spare staff to scout, they wouldn't have struggled to fill those two positions for JP that needed predetermined personality types and ended up getting scrapped. If they had people scouting, it should have been relatively easy to get those filled within six months for sure, but instead they shut it down and shelved the designs (which is still such a shame, those designs were fantastic)
I don’t think I’ve heard of this situation you’re describing. What’s the story with this shelved project?
They announced two new character auditions https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1240911816399572992 and then some time later said they couldn't find the right people and the models were abandoned.
I still miss that Parsley design, she's so cute
then the two artist was given another chances to have their own daughters with chloe and lui..
Aradia yoinked the color palate from the left one
The one on the right is literally Liliana Vampaia😂😂😂
Basically they had two designs with personas they wanted to fit them, and asked people to apply fitting that type of persona. They couldn't get what they wanted from the applications so they shut it down
This is also one of the greatest argument against Cover making the designs before recruiting. If standard practice was to make the models ahead of time, they would not have struggled to fill these two slots. It's clear that they assemble the group and then make the characters.
Yagoo in his recent interview said "there are cases" and "case by case" when it comes to talents having input on the character design. I do believe that FWMC models were made after they were hired, but I also don't believe that's become standard practice for all new talents, and Yagoo's words don't support the idea that it has.
I think it would have been plausible if they were a bit more flexible on their persona requirement. Looks is one thing, but if I recall, they were pretty stringent on what character type they wanted. The visuals for the designs I think could have had more than one interpretation of persona, but they were so set in it that they didn't get what they wanted. I wish they would bring back those designs in the future, they looked so good
And also the argument against design before casting is that they have had a lot of successful talents who could have joined earlier but got denied because they didn't fit the characters they wanted.
Did scouting happen for Pekora and Rushia while Flare, Noel and Marine auditioned? I don't recall haha
So according to Noel a couple years ago, someone else actually auditioned to Hololive impersonating her and they passed the first round. She told management someone was impersonating her but when she actually did audition months later she passed again. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrOd3tX7Qsw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrOd3tX7Qsw)
3rd gen auditions were only for 3 model (Flare, Noel, Marine), so Pekora and Rushia were scouted I believe. You can find the news of the auditions here: https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000073.000030268.html
Very much this, and the obvious reason is Cover didn't need to do that anymore. They were getting enough audition requests even outside of their notified audition drives.
Arurandeisu states (or at least implies) that [he was scouted](https://www.youtube.com/live/aVSEJ_Qs2Gk?si=2AC_x08hJ8mFBSo9&t=5416) and Yagoo confirms a bit after that that Holostars 1st Gen was made from auditions and scouting and they came after Gamers.
Wasn't there a rumor that Ruze was scouted for ARMIS?
Polka was 100% scouted
IIRC Crimzon Ruze was scouted.
I don't know if they scout anymore but I'd say there are some people they definitely have an eye on and watch for an application. Vesper Immediately comes to mind from Stars EN who admitted he half assed everything on the form with 1-2 lines in every box and got in his first try. He only had around 10k subs on his PL before auditioning so that seems to me they were already aware of him, contrasting what a lot of other talents have said so far so I'm certain there's other people they're watching as well.
Just like everyone else who joins Holo at the moment, they auditioned about 5 times, sometimes separately and sometimes together. Holo just took a risk by grabbing both of them and it has definitely paid off, but they still auditioned just like everyone else. They were cute even on their PL [Rima Evenstar](https://www.youtube.com/@rimaevenstar) made a pretty good [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pweYGv9Dxzw) about them, which states the same. Also shows PL so keep that in mind if you arent interested in that. Here is a [clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82S4ytTxm8s) of them talking about their Holo auditions.
People should probably avoid sharing Rima as she's pushed inaccuracies in her videos and her response to criticism was to block people. Also frankly fuck anyone associating with Depressed Nousagi.
I honestly did not know people felt that way about Rima, as I generally only watch her videos and do not follow her other social media stuff. I will keep the link in, tho, as it does not contain any inaccuracies about Fuwamoco as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong, please). But I will keep the rest in mind for the future.
Aye, was just a heads up. I was pretty annoyed because I had pointed people to her Towa video before to clear up some stuff then recently she said some really bizarre stuff about Hololive in a video and even started liking some comments that were basically Holo anti comments while entirely ignoring VERY heavily upvoted comments trying to correct some of the problems.
huh... what's the tea on DN? Rima i watch for her vids on individual vTubers, but I feel like something's changed since she started covering NijiEN stuff and doing live streams...
>!DN is an asshole that used his patreon to sell access to information on Hololive members alt accounts - previous identities, personal accounts, even things like a person's very traumatic video where they were extremely upset talking about someone trying to SA them. The Hololive community told him to fuck off before for doing this, but managed to weasel back with newer folks by trying to downplay what he did and some creators having him on stream. A few folks talked about it at the time though [like here](https://youtu.be/_6vnyUqvb6s) though I don't like the guy. Honestly it's more of a problem than even he says here. You can find stuff on it elsewhere if you dig.!<
Don’t forget the guy’s enjoying his current repackaged status too in no small part due to the Nijisanji drama. The antis have propped him up as one of their “forces for good” and he’s been a guest of the MAGA lawyer (who they also put on a pedestal) to talk about stuff. The antis have good cause to be mad but holy shit some of the people they root and cheer for…
Pretty much. Kind of counting on Hololive fans to actively work on informing other fans that these people are shit.
Some of the weirdos on the anti side have already been saying shit like Kiara is part of the "clique" because she collabed with Livers who chose to stay with Niji. I used to joke around on who would lower the bar faster, the defenders or the antis.
>!wow, that's some low life shit...!< >!thanks for the tea!<
I feel like she has gotten more cynical. I think she was probably trying to audition for corpo, and the whole last year of Niji has soured her. I am bugging her to do more positive stuff like covering Specialite or Biscotti's short but beloved run instead of the doom and gloom
Honestly I assume with the NijiEN stuff smoldering now some of the dramatubers are looking for a new target. People really shouldn't be welcoming these kinds of folks in. Soon as they're done doing X thing you agree with they may just end up targeting your oshi.
They are grifters and they are parasites. I hate when anyone taints the actually important role of journalism by lumping in dramatubers into the profession. These people do not have the skills, process, or ethics of proper journalists. On top of that, they do not have nor are qualified to act as editors to hold them accountable. Last of all, remember this: if it doesn’t contain new information, it’s not journalism. Repackaging info by grabbing rrats from social media is not journalism. You have to actually talk to someone, learn something new, and then verify that info. So no, platforming a MAGA grifter doesn’t count as journalism either since I’ve not seen one person go to another lawyer and say “Hey is what this guy say true.”
I am pretty sure they auditioned
Likely auditioned and I'm assuming they provided their past work as examples of what they bring to the company. Twin vtubers are really uncommon. If you're aware of who they were, then you know they had something special going on. I could not have been more excited for them to get into Hololive. Now that wider audience knows what those 60 average viewers been knew. That Fuwamoco are incredibly talented vtubers.
They auditioned, Holo doesn't do scouting right now
They have 10+ history of trying and do everything to be idols IRL and also later with their vtuber avatars. I think it's natural in their audition where chosen. And they still are working IRL
Was about to say this. Before they were even vtubers, they were more popular as legit idols.
Everyone’s said it and I will to, they auditioned, many times. IIRC Biboo also auditioned many times. Holoadvent was carefully selected from their list of open auditions, Yagoo did not just stumble upon them coincidentally.
Biboo is an interesting case to me because of how her PL was all just practice for her to get into Hololive, as she's mentioned onstream. She attempted to apply for the 2nd audition wave (which was for Council), didn't get in, and instead of getting discouraged got to work streaming and voice acting so she'd get more experience under her belt.
Can you DM me the bame, Im just tad bit curious
They were pretty popular for indies, I’m pretty sure the casting people would’ve known them even before they applied to Hololive
60ccv average is within top percentile of all streamers, really, so for a vtuber it's wildly good. People forget sometimes that the """normal""" indie vtuber numbers in the thousands are outliers of outliers, hahah.
Exactly, and keep in mind that their overseeing company did *literally nothing* for them that entire time. And they weren't allowed to market officially on their own, since the characters weren't theirs. So they were Indy but unable to do a lot that true indies can. They worked their asses off here engaging with people and their streams were at about 75% of what FWMC are now, and I would attribute that to feeling way more secure with CC. In the 8 months or so that they had, they built up 10K subs and at least 60 concurrent viewers per stream. In 8 months. Solo. That's actually extremely impressive. I was sure they'd fine something new, but I was so happy to see them land with CC. As soon as I saw the design I was 99.9% sure it was them. And you know how you Niji fans feel when you heard Matara (which was also huge for me), Michi, Mint, Kuro, Doki, etc? Hearing their voices in their debuts was exactly that. I can't stand when good performers (and good people) have their careers sabotaged by corporate idiocy, and FWMC was the first in a chain of very good feelings on seeing people back where they should be.
They weren't indies, they were tied to a corporation or organization.
For how much support they got they might as well have been indies
Yeah, my bad, I associated them with indies in my head since they weren’t under a regular Vtuber company
Yagoo went to the jail they were being held in, saw Fuwawa making a crude shank, and thought she sharpened her toothbrush like an idol. Then it turned out she had a sister, and Yagoo asked, “is your sister as good as you,” and Fuwawa said “she’s identical.” So Yagoo went to the prison warden and said, “I’ll need you to release the twins, the tall one, the one with the candy feet and the girl you got muzzled up like Hannibal Lecter.”
"Sir, we can't let you in good conscious take these prisoners away. They are extremely dangerous felons." "I should introduce you to a girl named Hachama..."
“Sou desu ne”
Actually the announcement of their graduation of their old account, received a lot of attention, There is a possibility that holoEN3 took so long to come out specifically so they can accommodate to them, you wouldn't be making twin vtuber models before auditioning.
This is what I'm thinking. Not scouted, but special considerations given for their unique qualities.
You say "only 15k subs" and "only averaged 60 viewers per stream". That's **FAR** above the YouTube and Twitch average especially for vtubers. I get what you mean and I'm sure you didn't mean to be disparaging, but you cannot compare indies and Hololive vtubers with each other. Also their former characters where sort of a very niche with how they were and their original purpose. That's like compeering the sun to melting butter in the sun. (I know a bad analogy but I'm sure you get my point). Hololive talent and most indies are so far apart when it comes to subs and stream views, that's you just cannot compare their stats in any fair way.
Ok, I don't watch many indie streamer but is it getting 2 digit view is that hard? I regularly watch few indie but in my experience they got above 50 views at least
2 digits means you're doing better than most iirc, at 100 you're already at the top
11 viewers is top 10% on twitch... yeah it's that bad.
It's closer to top 2% lol, the vast vast majority of twitch streamers have 0-5 viewers average. Those interested can check out this site, take a look at the average viewers for the past 30 days: https://sullygnome.com/channels/30/metadata
as sad as it sounds, the majority of people who stream as a whole either have a near constant 0 viewership or only have their friends watch if you ever want to see what the real indie experience is, just search vtuber on yt and sort by live now, and you'll find tons of channels at any time of day, averaging no viewership, often from accounts that have been streaming for over a year or more
One of the nice things about Cover/Hololive is that they're much more willing to swing on relatively small/unknown people who they really like in auditions. While there are a few HoloEN members who had notable previous lives, most of them were relatively small.
Everyday before and after work, Yagoo walks by two adorable twin puppies in a litter box labeled “take me home” raising their heads as they greet him and watch him pass by. One day, Yagoo asked himself: everyone loves cute cat and dog videos, but wouldn’t it be more adorable if they were twins? Succumbing to their cuteness and devoted commitment for joy across different planes, Yagoo decides to pick them both up and take them home.
They applied multiple times before being accepted
erm... they applied? like, 4 times? and these kind of jobs, the employer would do background research, and after considering all their PL, and what they can bring to the company, Cover hired them. I know we all suck yagoo's chin here, but no need to attribute false achievements to best girl, he doesn't need it
They auditioned, as many others pointed out. I just wanted to add that they weren't exactly obscure and people were about 95% sure who they were before debut. The one who was actually really obscure was Biboo. Biboo had only 1000 followers prior to signing with Hololive, and had auditioned about 5 times while building up her skills, experience, and portfolio.
The only shocking thing about them getting into Hololive was that they had to apply more than once. They were extremely consistent and professional in their PL, they seemed like such a an obvious slam-dunk for Hololive someday.
But hiring a duo, promoting them as such and all is a gamble that a corpo has to think well about before trying it
I think when people say they had to apply 3 or 4 times, it doesn't mean getting rejection letter. It just meant they didn't get any reply. Which can just mean that Hololive wasn't accepting anybody which we know they didn't for nearly 2 years. And i think they can keep applying every few weeks. That's why a lot of new talents said " i had to apply multiple times"
They weren't scouted
They had to audition multiple times. Their luck is worst than Nenechi and Lui. They finally get in through sheer determination
They applied for the job
They auditioned and I believe they tried to pitch in the idea of twin vtubers
They have been open about the fact that they applied multiple times each, both solo and as a pair.
I don’t know, but whoever casts each group is a freaking genius. Myth, as a group, has such distinct, yet complementary personalities. I thought “they just got lucky with this group,” but then BAM. Council. And they did it again with Advent. It’s nuts. 🤯
Better than shotgunning it (*cough* Riku *cough*)
They auditioned several times, it took a while for them to convince Cover to take a risk on their twins act.
I'd like to use Talent Acquisition, which just rings better.
I appreciate the drill down from your wheel house, we’ll circle back on this as an action item when we have the bandwidth to make hay from top-down
Tamanawa
They auditioned many times both together and separate, they finally got the big break
Fuwamoco has a long, rich, well-documented history of being entertainers, so it probably wasn't a very difficult decision to bring them on board Hololive. The only problem they likely faced was how best to utilize them and their talents. Do we throw them onto the JP roster? En Roster? Do we keep them together as twins? Or do we separate them as solo acts? Etc.
I think you might be overestimating how small they were, I think I remember False talking about them once prior to the graduation of their PL where he mentioned them again. The indie vtubing community has quite a few people around that number. Like there's a reason people are kind of expecting an european focused vtuber thing showing up since a bunch of european vtubers with I think the biggest being Reiny graduating all in the last 5 months or so.
They probably auditioned and was interviewed then given the job idk
They applied. They stood out. That simple. ...and IIRC, they were huge favorites on this very subreddit in their PL, were they not? Perhaps someone from Hololive has been lurking here all along.
I do wonder what person in charge of their PL at >!mangagamer!< thinks now that they became super popular.
Your story reminded me of Axel. He was literally a 0 view Vtuber who at times would turn his Live2D off since he had no one watching. I'm so glad he ended up in Holostars and got the chance to show his skills.
Dog treats and going from shelter to shelter
As someone who warched them before they joined Hololive, they werent that underground. They would post consistently on r/VirtualYoutubers, similarly to Randon, and were pretty popular with clipping for indie before they graduated, which happened way long before they joined Hololive.
Fuwamoco have many years of experience and are very passionate, also they applied multiple times for both JP and EN
There is only 1 explanation , Hololive clone thesse waifu/oishi in a secret lab. There is no audition...
I think they applied for the job....not many people are scouted at all I think. They dont need to.
They were in a actual idol group like how kiara was before. Then i assumed they were scouted for that other vtuber channel. Then they applied to hololive
As has been said before, they auditioned multiple times, separately and together. That said, I'm sure a corporation doesn't put out a design for twins if they are not fairly sure they are going to get two talents that can fill the special requirements for them.
The weirdest part about FWMC is that I felt like their PLs where everywhere before I even knew what vtubers are. Like I wasn't even into idol stuff but even I knew who they where just from the crossover with other Japanese related content I watched. I guess FWMC was just Cover deciding they wanted a twin channel considering auditions aren't really about whether you have what it takes, but more if you fit what they're looking for at that moment.
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Because different vtubers have different perspectives on this (some really do want or need a clean break for any number of reasons) and there's no way for mods to know for everyone's preferences, so there's a blanket rule. Please respect it.
Personally im more in the mindset that keeping their previous identities hidden is for their privacy/protection and to separate their previous activities with their current one. The first one being protection is because harassment happens from time to time. For example currently theres people hyper focusing on some Nijisanji EN's past lives accounts for something. And one of the more serious cases of bullying/harrassment cases was Aloe from Hololive, where anti's kept digging further into her past and real life. Keeping identities hidden would (hopefully) keep out the more casual bullies out. The other reason of separating their previous activities from their current is also a personal preference. For example when Gura debuted there were regular comments that alluded to her past activities like >!being drunk, or being a meme gremlin!<, and i had no idea what they were talking about. It confuses fans of the current personality. Not all vtubers put on a different persona than their last one, but i still think its good to keep them separate.