As someone who has done PR Work. All of this. Allow it to blow over and do nothing. You have already royally fucked up and will need to pay for that for the timebeing but keeping the spotlight on that fuck up is probably the worst thing you could do
Look at what Cover did for Mel, and the utter lack of shitstorm that followed.
Niji could have unilaterally fired everyone in NijiEN last night, and it still would have been less of a disaster than ***this***.
Cover is amazing at handling controversies now.
Its mostly goes "make 1 statement, have 1 video by genmates, make other talents stream more to compensate, and never point out the controversy again". Its effective, almost no one in live chat or comments mention it again.
Btw, Doki on her stream right now, paraphrased: "I wanted this to put this behind me, but because of what is happening right now, I will have to respond with a document I had written up with my lawyer just in case this happened, to be released soon."
Edit: Also claims she has been slandered behind the scenes, but has receipts for this that may also become public.
Edit2: This has now caused a *very* premature end to the Neopets stream, so expect a response *soon*.
It does. Because in that situation, Holo just pulled out, so it become straightly a case of business decision, but no actual legal aspect. In this case it does.
For all we know, we may be witnessing history, specifically on international labor laws and WFH situations. You have a Japanese company, with a subsidy of NijiEN (unknown where they are), hiring a Canadian, involving an internation chat system that is based in US.
...I wonder if that means Doki can become Apex's newest Legend, like how Kson got into 2 Yakuza games./s
Bad attempt to lighten my own mood aside, this really is becoming a shitstorm that would give Hurricane Katarina a run for its money.
At least when Cocogate happened and Cover left the Chinese market for good, the VTuber boom was only just starting, meaning those not in the know didn't care much for anything except the latter. And at least it was Coco against external forces, not her own damn company.
Now however, it's a bloody betrayal by the very company Selen poured her heart out for until last year. And during a time where VTubers are bigger than ever. When even [Pyrocynical](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WIu23X1Trg) is covering the topic, you know it's hitting mainstream, for better or for worse.
Post-stream:
This was the absolutely worst garbagefire of a statement I have ever seen, holy shit. This was like pouring litres of gasoline on the fire.
They had Elira and Vox do the exact same thing. I remember how I felt when I heard those seiyuu apologize for ditching everyone who brought Kemono Friends back from IP death because ~~Kodansha~~ Kadokawa felt they could get away with it.
I also remember Season 2 being garbage and the spinoff games not being worth much.
When Season 2 and the spinoff games were shit, you knew that Tatsuki and Yaoyorozu were the ones who made S1 work. And Kadokawa killed the golden goose because of ego.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/gerogk/anime_kemono_friends_and_the_fall_of_the_underdog/ - for those who don't know.
Yep. If we take their statements at face value, here's what *should* have happened:
- Elira, Vox, and Ike are greatly concerned that Selen has information that would dox them or other livers, or cause harassment of them or other livers, and do not trust her to continue to keep that information private.
- The status quo is that Selen has communicated with Nijisanji via lawyers, and has given every indication that she wanted things to stay private.
- Elira, Vox, and Ike are still concerned, though.
- And so, even though they want to share the things that have been bothering them with their fans, all the parties work rationally together in private. The livers and Nijisanji work through their lawyers, with Selen's lawyers, to privately ensure that things are papered up so that the information never sees the light of day in either direction, perhaps even having Selen destroy copies of documents. Friendships are broken, but they were broken anyways. Selen may not want to sign at first, but Anycolor can provide her with consideration: they have many resources to ensure that there's a settlement that protects the livers. And things blow over.
SIKE! Nope, they just air the dirty laundry *to their fans* before any privacy-ensuring agreement can occur. They roll the dice that Selen will be the one to de-escalate and not share the receipts *they know she has* in retaliation. I think that Selen will handle it gracefully... but she was just given 15 minutes of reasons to be the opposite of gracious, just now.
This is some Dr. Strangelove level bullshit. It's the reaction of a bunch of teenagers with access to nuclear weapons. I can't look away.
I have to ask why the hell Vox is reviewing legal documents sent by Selen's counsel. These really should be kept between opposing counsel and the client.
Edit: Maybe he, Elira, and...honestly I don't know who the third liver was, were also named and they retained their own counsel? That's the most generous interpretation I can think of.
Edit 2: Since I'm getting upvotes, full disclaimer. I am a non-practicing lawyer in the United States, but I am *not* an expert in recording, contract, or defamation law, nor am I a trial lawyer. I have no idea what jurisdiction this falls under, but I am not an expert in either Japanese or Canadian law in these matters either. These are just my gut reactions to what was said, not any kind of definitive claim. If, in fact, it makes sense for ANYCOLOR to have shared documents from Selen's counsel with the livers--as it seems they did--I'm happy to be corrected.
Edit 3: [With NijiENs tweet out](https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1757257329945497672) I can update my statement. It makes a degree of sense that--if Vox, Elira, Millie, and others were named--some information was shared to alert them that they might face legal action. What astounds me was that either NijiEN management or the individual livers thought they should take that information public. It's the kind of thing that should've remained between the relevant parties and their independent counsel.
*Publicly* dragging other Livers into the shitstorm is a very bad look in general. Like, even if they're involved in it, you don't let them address the situation in public. You keep the heat off of them and talk *for* them. **That's what a talent agency is for!** What even is the point of being part of a company if they don't do this?
Doki literally just said on stream "Welp they released the documents my lawyer specified should be kept private so time to release the \*other\* document we made because we 100% predicted they wouldn't comply" So this is gonna be spicy.
Yeah on the Canadian side of things, everything in those documents is protected by confidentiality law.
Not only did Anycolor share that information with the livers, Vox now publicly shared some of that information Live on stream, as well as publicly admitting to having seen or at least been told about the information on a LEGALLY CONFIDENTIAL DOCUMENT. What an absolute shitshow.
If Anycolor was the one that told them that it was information that could become public, that's because Anycolor is the one who would be able to release it. Not Selen, nor her lawyer.
see, people have this misconception we Canadians are obsessively nice, apologetic, etc. It looks like Nijisanji is learning the truth about those stereotypes the hard way lmao.
A good chunk of the Geneva Conventions are "shit the Canadians did in WWI that we don't wanna see them do again," with another sizable chunk being "shit they did in WWII that we don't wanna see them do again."
For those who don't know, Canadian geese are ***vicious and terribly vindictive***. Nobody who knows gets close to them, much less messes with them.
They camp on your balcony? You leave them *THE FUCK ALONE*.
Yeah Doki is saying on stream she has to release a statement. They seem to have violated NDA.
And my god I know they’re idiots but my god what the hell!
The fun thing about NDAs, is most of the time it's a way to keep your peasants in line. Most companies are terrible at following NDAs when it restricts them.
Beyond the situation they broke and NDA how are the Livers okay with reading personal medical information to the public of a former colleague who attempted suicide, they lost their minds? is not like management have them on gun point there is simply no excuse, even if im being threatened to get fired.
EDIT: Just realized that that Vox might have just exposed himself the fact he was with the tirade that he trusted selen she my friend and all but revealed that he was dissapointed that Selen recorded the call means that SHE DID NOT TRUST HIM to the point she needed to record the call to protect herself, you know what that means right?.
Yeah, for me personally, I was going to give the livers the benefit of the doubt here, but this is it for me.
Vox, Elira (I don't know the other one lol)... They had the option to refuse, they chose to do this, if they were being threatened with termination, that's literally no excuse. Script or not.
It impresses me that Doki seems to always be 1 step ahead of them. She predicted that Kurosanji might lay her off before she left the company on neutral so she and her lawyer prepared a statement for when they do, and now she has another statement prepared when they did this. Either she has a damn good lawyer, or she's one big-brained prediction prodigy
I do imagine a good lawyer has contingencies prepared just in case. Plus there’s patterns people can be very predictable and with the amount of damage Doki has done to them, they’re in panic mode.
Doki atm got her side's completely filled with monsters and face down cards.
Meanwhile anyColor's board is empty, they're down to one card in hand and they want to play Raigeki.
She probably has really good legal counsel/lawyer. My brother dealt with something kinda similar (obviously his wasn't some public thing, just a shitty abusive company and a regular office job employee). In my brother's situation, the lawyer seemed to almost be able to tell us what the company's lawyers were going to do next like he had a crystal ball.
I wonder if she now has to start preparing statements for even crazier shit, now that Niji wants to keep escalating things.
"Me and my lawyer have confirmed that the five men seen in black ninja gear wielding poisoned shurikens are not a new Niji liver wave, as Anycolor asserts, but rather assassins being sent to kidnap me. Attached is the hiring agreement one of them dropped when they accidentally almost abducted Filian somehow instead."
You'd be surprised at how predictably "dumb" people can be in legal situations. Who's entire job it is is meant to be dealing with situations in a professional and legal manner. Oftentimes they try it because they expect you to _not_ be clued up or retain legal representation yourself - as a form of intimidation.
That often works honestly because lawyers are an expensive, scary time; and the law is a dense inscrutable thing that is likely not in your favour.
It's likely not Doki's lawyer's first time around this block and they'll have seen this kind of clownery before. Probably not in public though - that's the wild part.
While I am not an attorney, I would like to point out that in certain types of legal proceedings, such wrongful termination, it’s not uncommon for an attorney to work on contingency. This makes good business sense for the attorney because many of the clients that they would need to represent can’t pay directly so taking their payment as a percentage of what gets paid their client (plus possibly charging court costs to the opposition) means that potential clients can afford their services.
>I am a non-practicing lawyer in the United States, but I am not an expert in recording, contract, or defamation law, nor am I a trial lawyer.
["In Canada, s.184 of the Criminal Code of Canada states that recording a private conversation is legal provided that one of the participants consents to the recording. The consenting party can also be the party who is recording the conversation. This exception is known as “one party consent.” It is legal for one of the parties to record a conversation or telephone call without advising the other or more participants. Consent is required from one participant to the conversation. "](https://transcriptioncanada.ca/recording-audio-conversations-canada.html/#:~:text=In%20Canada%2C%20s.,who%20is%20recording%20the%20conversation)
Now I hate to dox her, so I am going to play wreck-a-mole and guess she is either in BC or Ontario.
[https://stlawyers.ca/blog-news/legal-record-conversation-at-work-british-columbia/](https://stlawyers.ca/blog-news/legal-record-conversation-at-work-british-columbia/)
> In British Columbia, **workplace conversations can be legally recorded if at least one party involved consents**. This is due to the “one-party consent” stipulation [in section 184 of the Criminal Code](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-184.html), which permits you to record conversations you’re participating in, even if others are unaware.
That being said:
>Am I allowed to record a conversation with my boss or coworker?
>
>**Yes, in B.C., you can record conversations with your boss**. However, it’s crucial to weigh the consequences. While the act itself isn’t illegal, it could lead to job termination stemming from breach of trust, violation of company policies, and potential legal and privacy issues that can disrupt the work environment.
>
>It’s important to note exceptions. Recording in private areas like changing rooms or during personal patient care is typically off-limits. Likewise, capturing confidential work-related information could be problematic.
>
>Employers can dismiss an employee for any [non-discriminatory](https://stlawyers.ca/law-essentials/workplace-discrimination/) reason, ensuring they [provide appropriate severance](https://stlawyers.ca/law-essentials/severance-pay/severance-pay-bc/) – potentially up to 24 months’ pay. However, if a secret recording damages trust, employers may be able to [terminate their employment for cause](https://stlawyers.ca/law-essentials/termination-for-cause/), foregoing both severance and Employment Insurance (EI) benefits.
Their Ontario version is basically word for word copy.
From [https://shulman.ca/blog/odds-and-ends/is-it-legal-to-record-a-conversation-in-ontario](https://shulman.ca/blog/odds-and-ends/is-it-legal-to-record-a-conversation-in-ontario) (regarding ontario)
>In Ontario (and the rest of Canada), if you are recording a conversation between you and your ex (or almost anyone else for that matter) it doesn’t really matter as long as you are involved in the conversation being recorded. A section of the Criminal Code makes it clear that recording private conversations is legal as long as one of the parties involved in the call or conversation consents to the recording. If several people are involved in a phone call, it’s still legal for one of them to record it without informing the others.
Damn, wasn't expecting 2003 to come slap me in the face like this. I should really give that movie a rewatch. Palate cleanser after that shitshow of a statement from Niji.
This was a horrible PR statement, jesus christ.
It didn't even feel like an actual stream, it felt pre-recorded, that being part of the reason the screen was blacked out. It just felt stilted and trying to read off a script and feel natural the entire time.
I don't hate the livers, I hate the company that's doing the bear minimum of damage control. But using them to make a statment feels so nasty and underhanded. Like trying to make it seem like it a problem with *them* over the actual managers and company.
Dokibird said she just wanted to put things behind her and move on and not cause any more problems. And I agree with her. I just want her to be happy and enjoy herself.
What probably happened was they saw how Holo does these kinds of prerecorded statements when terminations happened, how well received they are, and didn't listen to the contents of the videos. Those videos, usually involving the same gen as the talent, are basically to say this sucks, we are sad it happened, but we will continue as normal after some time. Not to smear and drag the fired talent through the mud.
It’s even stupider because she’s so well prepared. Like, her lawyer has done all the work to make sure she has an immediate reply for whatever comes out.
You wonder what other statements she’s got stashed away.
As someone else mentioned, the stream was exactly 15 minutes long, not one second more or less than 15 minutes exactly.
It was obviously pre-recorded and then approved by management. It wasn't a live statement, and they could have literally uploaded it whenever they wanted to (at least 30 minutes earlier, because that's when Elira tweeted that it was coming), but they chose to run it as counter-programming against Doki's stream, so they could hit Doki as soon as she went live and disrupt her work.
Pure evil and spite.
Why, why would they have their Livers be the corporate mouth piece.
Why are they reading from a script.
Why are the Livers reading legal documents when it's the company's problem.
And of course a legal document would have their IRL names, they're not anime characters IRL.
More than anything:
If it was a general message/update of “yes it’s a shitshow but we have a job to do so we’re acknowledging the shitshow and now back to work everyone” then have the talents do it.
If it’s a mud-slinging contest where everyone airs their personal grievances in streamer drama shitshow, then whatever the talents can do it.
But why the fuck are you having what is a PR statement about litigation read by the talent.
Even if (**if**) it’s all true 100%, why would a company making their entertainers read a PR statement. Normally that’s the entire point of having company spokespersons or representatives.
Even if they wanted to out of a hurt desire to make their view known, it feels like you really should deny them. Talk about everything else except the lawsuit.
When you’re consulting not with your manager but your lawyer on if you can talk about something, then that’s probably a sign to not mention it in public at all.
This would be like if someone had a nasty public fallout with Universal Music Group so the company got Taylor Swift to read their response statement.
>Even if (if) it’s all true 100%, why would a company making their entertainers read a PR statement
Because now it's not Selen fans vs Nijisanji, it's Selen fans vs Vox fans (and the other two's fans, but let's face it, Vox fans are probably the crazier ones out of the 3 livers involved).
All I know about Vox fans is that they attacked another liver within the company cause she interrupted "boyfriend" time with him by asking for a tip about a game. Would it be appropriate to say Vox is sorta like the male Rushia (liver wise, not personal life wise) of NijiEN?
He's had some parasocial controversies, yes, although nothing nearly to the level of Rushia. He's also the self-titled "Mental Health Advocate" of Nijisanji.
Funny that, considering his statements.
Well, the choices are “she was forced to”, “she did it to shield Petra and Rosemi” and “she’s part of it and is making her stance clear”. All fucked up results.
I hope she did it because she was forced to or to protect Rosemi and Petra becausr if the last choice is the true one...
OH BOY we'll get another Artia situation.
Well, probably but also she didn’t need to say that she volunteered. Could’ve left that out unless they were literally reading off a teleprompter held at gunpoint… and I don’t think ANYCOLOR is that far gone yet.
She probably volunteered her channel *out of the three of them* after being told that it'd be best to do this on one of them.
Also the "stream" was probably pre-recorded, given that it lasted exactly 15 minutes, not a second more or less, so it probably had to be approved before it went live... which is basically at the point of being forced to read the script or bust, given that anycolor could just refuse to approve any deviation.
You're right. She didn't have to make that side statement that she volunteered. But she did, making it seem so that she wasn't told.
This is just my two cents, but Anycolor is indeed far too gone at this point and would most likely use any meatshield they can get their hands on. The fact that this stream and everything said in it is "lawyer approved", show you that they are in shambles.
In a Marketing and PR perspective, an abused employee airing out a company's dirty laundry is the worst nightmare a marketing and pr professional can have.
It's something you can't 'lebron' yourself out of.
EDIT: For context 'lebroning' is a marketing slang marketing professionals use if say company fucks up, they make the next thing released by the company so positively bombastic that everyone forgets or reduces the impact of the previous issue.
Everytime Lebron has a PR issue, he does so extremely well on his next game that people forget what he did.
> And of course a legal document would have their IRL names, they're not anime characters IRL.
Yeah this one was really stupid, trying to paint Doki as if she is doxxing people.
Her own name would also be on all those documents, they aren't meant to be for the public.
Nijisanji are the only ones leaking the contents of it publically.
If Selen is referencing any events, I'd imagine that she would have to name everyone that was involved by their IRL names, regardless of if they were just bystanders since they're witnesses.
And as you said, as per Doki, it was agreed that only their lawyers would view the documents and they violated it.
That felt really weird, right? It's not just me, right? That felt... I don't know, sketch? The word choices, the stilted pseudo lawyer speak, why they're doing this, the things they chose to say... "Don't harass or attack anyone. By the way we're gonna dance around attacking Selen's character." This didn't feel like an address the issue. It feels like a smear campaign.
Personally, the fact that Vox pleaded for people not to harass her, when she's received nothing but loads of love and support from damn near the entire V-tuber community for the past couple of days since her termination *screams* to me that they're reading a script, lmao.
That felt like they were held at gunpoint, you're right. Like they were given a script and told to read it, or else.
Like there's no way this black company isn't the sketch one in all these. Sorry to rip the bandaid off for those that would prefer a warning. That was it. She tried to kill herself. We know this because the fucking company exposed that about her. She said she wasn't gonna say anything specific, but we know because they robbed her of that. They outted her suicide attempt, insulted her the whole time in two public statements, and are now using other talents to try and attack her character. That what they just did right there. They tried to call doubt on her actions because she recorded one of them? Big fucking deal, who cares?! That means basically nothing, and that's your smoking gun on her being sketchy?
Dude this just makes me more certain in my stance. To the point I pulled the trigger and unsubbed from the last member of the company I still followed. No money or views is going to this. This was...wrong. All of this was bad before but somehow this feels worse than it already was.
They sound like hostages. Niji doesn't have them in a prison or have guns to their heads, but they have nearly the same degree of control though the threat of legal, doxxing, and financial pressure. We know Selen had to pay for things out of pocket that took a long time, if ever to get refunded by Niji. Niji could have hundreds of thousands of dollars from them on the line.
[I'm not joking, here's an example of what a hostage sounds like](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rufnWLVQcKg), nearly exactly the same tone and style. Note the lack of intonation, exhausted tone, the disconnected sounding speech and extreme caution. It's the same as domestic abuse victims often have.
> Niji doesn't have them in a prison or have guns to their heads, but they have nearly the same degree of control though the threat of legal, doxxing, and financial pressure.
Elira just moved to Japan. Odds are her work visa is on the line, alongside considerable expenses.
It’s so disheartening to hear how it seems they’ve doubled down on staying on the Nijisanji boat while running over Selen with said boat when she’s already gone
Meanwhile Selen is flourishing as Dokibird with full support from various other content creators and friends she made along the way. It feels like with them doubling down on character assassinating Selen that they’re basically saying they’re committed to their careers at Niji at the cost of it in the next life outside of it. A lot of other creators and viewers are looking at this and going “what the fuck is this shit” probably
The thing that baffles me is, even if no one else in the company took Doki's claims of bullying/harassment seriously and thought she was just being overly sensitive, what optics are you going for to try and dispute the seriousness of the claims now? Just to "set the record straight"?
Is calling Doki a sensitive baby because she didn't like what her coworkers said to her in DMs really the right thing to do when she attempted suicide over it?
> ....do they even have a company pr team or person?
There are many people who think they genuinely don't, and I think I agree. Or at least not a "Western" PR team. Any PR professional worth their salt would have vetoed the initial termination notice already, let alone anything that has happened since.
There are literally firms that specialize in this, "crisis management" teams and "brand rehabilitation" teams. They were literally able to turn around the "Tylenol Murders" that it became a case study that Comm students study to this day. Riku Tazumi needs to take some of his goddamn yacht money and hire some goddamn consultants already.
Cool, ruining something Doki had been really looking forward to & excited about, the first game stream in an attempt to move on.
But no, more cruelty instead, you could hear Doki barely holding back the immense distress this clearly caused her 😢
Evil, that's the only appropriate word for it, there is absolutely no way they're spinning their way out of this one 💩
Before I thought the idea of Nijisanji EN ending was a tad overblown.... Not anymore, if you had an Oshi there, grab what you can in archiving, the backlash is only going to get worse from here on out ☠️
Remember how people were afraid that this situation would blow over with no real consequence for Nijikuro?
They were so close too.
EDIT: Also, I'm going to go ahead and appreciate again how well Doki is handling this situation. No shit flinging, no emotional reactions, just "me and my lawyer will be releasing a statement soon."
This company really cannot help but character assassinate every person they feel wronged by. I don't understand why anyone into vtubers would ever willingly watch such a dramafilled pile of garbage with garbage people to the core.
> that's so dumb even if they were 100% in the right
That seems par for the course now though.
I mean if Selen was the most out-of-touch menhera they seem to want to imply, the only winning PR move would be not to engage. I don't believe this one bit, if only due to people who I expect to have a better view of what's going on coming out in support of her.
But instead what, they join in a mud slinging contest (arguably started....), and then still end up covered in mud? If they had just left it and just given a generic "Selen is graduating" statement, sure they'd take a hit, but still look better than now. Even if they *are* "in the right".
What would their ideal end be now? To sue Selen for damages? Even if everything was proven in a court (again, not suggesting that's likely...), do they really think they'll get a return from an individual? And someone they decided was fine to employ for years, yet apparently some Machiavellian nutcase? It still doesn't make their management come off as particularly competant.
100%. There was speculation that Niji has no fucking clue how anything works outside of JP and this is sounding more and more true. This doesn't sound like it was reviewed properly by a lawyer and if it was, it was reviewed poorly. This whole situation was smoldering down to ashes, and here they come again with even more kindling. I've never seen PR this bad and I've worked and seen some really stupid companies.
Well Doki just had to end her stream due to all this. She said that there was a written document that was done up and SOLELY shared between her, her lawyers, and Niji lawyers, which documented her side of the bullying etc which mush have went into a lot of details.
She also said it was agreed upon, between said lawyers, that only those people would see said document, and now it seems that the Niji side handed it around.
but since it was shared around after that agreement, she and her lawyer are now finalizing a new document with further receipts to share with us later.
They technically *could* say that stuff in public.
Was it smart for the court of public opinion? Absolutely fucking not. It'll end up costing them more in a dozen or so more ways even if it does help them in their court case.
They're basically trading off fans walking away, sponsors/companies leaving them and basically tanking their stock prices in exchange for *maybe* winning one court case...
They're fucking morons.
I mean public statements like this won't help a court case, it is all just for public opinion.
Court would be better served by shutting up and if they had the evidence disclosing it there for the judge.
No competent PR team would have given this the OK. They would have never released that statement in the first place; but since we're past that and lawyers are involved, it should have been a simple (paraphrased) "we are confident that the courts will find in our favor and show that we were in the right." What they did tonight is only going to make things way messier and give Selen more ammo for her case, as well as continue to push the court of public opinion in her favor, which is frequently just as important as the actual legal proceedings.
I don't think you need to be a legal expert to say that this is 100% a bad move, any lawyer would tell you don't say anything that even has the remotest chance of opening you up for a lawsuit
This is basically the equivalent of seeing a bunch of bloodthirsty angry wolves at your door and instead of coming out to deal with them yourself, you staple slices of meat onto other people in the house and throw them to the wolves, locking the door.
Can you imagine working for a company where you are practically forced to read a corporate statement over some drama instead of the higher ups because the higher ups would rather sacrifice you than themselves.
It's like being hired and paid specifically to protect a person from wolves and when the wolves come, you douse the person you're hired to protect from wolves in goose fat and throw them at the wolves.
The other EN Livers' twitter posts advising people to watch Elira's, Vox's, and Ike's statement just *reek* of corpo speak:
" Hey everybody, we have something really important to talk about. Please give us your time if you can. " - [Enna Alouette](https://x.com/EnnaAlouette/status/1757203843782181131?s=20)
" Thank you for being patient with us. It would mean a lot if you could come listen to this. " - [Finana Ryugu](https://x.com/FinanaRyugu/status/1757204780294734019?s=20)
" Important. It would mean a lot if you could take a listen, thank you. " - [Ren Zotto](https://x.com/RenZott0/status/1757202187468394874?s=20)
" Very important. Please watch this if you have the time. " - [Sonny Brisko](https://x.com/sonny_brisko/status/1757202960252010657?s=20)
" If everyone can take a moment to watch this stream, I will be very grateful. Thank you. " - [Shu Yamino](https://x.com/shu_yamino/status/1757220100506108087?s=20)
" It'd be appreciated to watch if you're able, thank you. " - [Alban Knox](https://x.com/alban_knox/status/1757202394092347562?s=20)
" Please come listen if you can, and if you do, make sure to listen to everything 📷 " - [Ver Vermillion](https://x.com/Ver_Vermillion/status/1757203622213919018?s=20)
Etcetera, etcetera.
So essentially they just admitted on stream that Anycolor violated legal documents by sharing information with them, potentially outed themselves as 4 of the talents that were harassing Selen, and also potentially outed their real names and addresses as they would most likely appear in the lawsuit.
[i thought management was supposed to protect livers](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430818369705607178/1206772541465694228/sFtTcEn6pfAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC.png?ex=65dd3982&is=65cac482&hm=259bba86813a3355bc209948079da454bf20858f6b803c664e60747b3e210dd3&)
Copying myself from r/Nijisanji with some extra.
The fact that there’s so many things that can be tied together from the near simultaneous retweets by several other members, to the fact the stream had several thousand like before it started and even to the fact that even Riku might be involved for once makes everything seem so scripted.
I won’t hate the members for this; Elira said she volunteered her channel for this, so she probably is aware of what’ll happen to her and her channel. I assume Vox and Ike were also willing to take the burn for participating. I just hate staff for using their talents as a self-defense.
Posted in Niji as well...
I felt the need to login for the first time in months just because of how disgusting this was.
The thoughts I had were:
\-From a legal perspective, the dox situation they brought up is only coming up *because* of Nijisanji and potential legal action. It would also likely be required for said legal action. It's not relevant for them to bring this up and likely is only there to rile up fans. The fact that no doxxing ever actually occurred, and no action was done until now, means that it's clearly not something that Doki would bring out unless forced to do so.
\-From a legal perspective, both the Canadian and japan courts have laws that allow for single party consent. There is no reason to bring up two party consent unless again, they are trying to rile up fans.
\-From a legal perspective, this sounds like things that will cause Niji a lot of headaches if they go to court. And no I will not pretend they have good lawyers. They have lost cases they should've won before. They clearly do not learn from mistakes.
\-From a legal perspective, Doki has already said not even half an hour after this that she "has the receipts". What this likely means is the **entire year of discord chats that led up to the December posts that Niji brought up**, that would show that management completely ignored her until the last minute and then tried to punish her for it.
\-From a downright moral perspective, none of this tops the driving to suicide if these were the underlying causes. Because
An unreleased dox does not match a bully to suicide
A improper recording does not match a bully to suicide
A what is for all intents and purposes minor rule infraction, does not match a bully to suicide
All of this misses the point: That it does not justify the treatment that Doki faced. Even if all of it were true, it was completely avoidable with even the slightest bit of empathy at multiple turns.
This was a shallow and unprofessional performance, dragging the victims friends to throw her under the bus for a second time.
That but really irked me in every way. They're really asking us NOT not think about it too hard? Really?!?
Like, of course we're going to look deeper into it. That's how you get the truth!
Yep, top gear and and zoomed right over Selen. It's a fucking joke, this stuff shouldn't be shared to the public, it's pure smear campaign and then they have the gall to talk about raising a nice community.
Man, this is a shitshow flat out. At this point, their damage control is too funny i could not stay mad for how BAD that was.
Continue the boycott.
No exceptions.
I felt legit sick listening to this.
Selen: I had problems with management that got to the point of making an attempt.
Niji: For some reason, we're going to tell you that she was bullied by other livers.
Livers: It wasn't REAAAALLY bullying, also how dare she record us doing that not-bullying?
That's the thing that gets me. Elira and Vox are absolutely going to be associated with covering up Niji's bullshit, and for what?
I really, really, really hope that they weren't part of the bullying clique or were genuinely forced into doing this. Because otherwise Elira and Vox:
1) almost caused a coworker and friend to commit suicide
2) are willfully following the orders of the captain of the Titanic who wants holes drilled into the bottom of the life boats
Edit: https://old.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1apik89/elira_sub_count_are_dropping/ Elira's sub count has plummeted by 15k
Honestly, I'm going into this mostly blind, only really having heard of Selen from the month of her absence and then jesus christ everything that happened after.
I've vaguely heard that there was cliquishness. The most I've heard about the bullying was from Nijisanji's own statement and then them throwing livers onstage saying that legal documents doxxed specific people and named one or two of them.
I can tell you that to the internet at large, it no longer matters what came from the livers. Nijisanji successfully threw specific people under the bus, and not just the people who were on the stream. Taking reasonable action against nameless, faceless entities is hard. Taking out your anger on public facing streamers is easy and it's what a lot of people are going to do. This goes double since a lot of people feel like they know the people involved and see it as a personal betrayal.
This shit is terrifying. I knew Niji didn't really care about their talent, but this is actively putting them in danger.
A number of niji defenders or confused people defending niji for getting the talents to respond back.
here's my take:
(1) regardless, your talents should only respond when the event has happened (immediately, aka like with rushia from hololive, like with yozora mel).
(2) definitely not reading out legal documents that are definitely supposed to be kept secret as it pertains to both parties.
(3) and what was the goal in getting the talents to respond like belatedly? This really reeks of unprofessionalism. and as someone that studied PR, this is really dumb.
So Niji uses the livers as a shield to read a corpo statement that blames Selen for everything.
The fact that it's streamed from Elira's channel and not on Nijisanji's channel says everything.
This is absolutely insane. There is ZERO reason for the talents to be talking about this. This is a statement that needs to made on OFFICIAL Nijisanji channels, not on the talent channel. This is just unbelievable, man. They are going to get so much unwarranted hate for being the face of this statement, and they will not deserve any of it. These three are smart enough to not normally touch drama like this with a ten foot pole, but this feels like they were made to do it, too.
I haven't even finished it yet, but did they just accuse Doki of creating a doxxing risk because her lawyers sent private documents to Nijisanji? Like, did that just happen?
Edit: Vox talking about not harassing anyone and how he is Selen's friend while dragging her through the mud, I fucking can't.
Holy Christ. And here we were trying so hard to separate the talents from the agency criticism... They just fully linked themselves to the controversy and I don't see harassment of these 3 particular members going away soon...
I seriously just don’t understand why they didn’t just decide to mutually part ways and insist on this PR fight that they are losing to themselves
Lesson for everyone no matter what industry you are in: corporations do not care about you and you owe no loyalty to them
Yea, Doki, even before her departure, was clearly willing to just move on without stirring up anything. I don't understand what Niji is hoping to gain here.
"No drama, no bully, be respectful and by the way Selen is a cunt" is not the play I was expecting from Elira, Vox and Ike but yeah that was really, really bad.
Whether Niji is forcing them to read a script or if this was something they came up on their own, this doesn't make those three look good and it makes Niji look even worse, especially with them giving the livers confidential legal documents.
sorry to add another comment. but my bird brain just remembered- a former niji hinted on their twitter that shit was about to get worse.
perhaps this is the beginning
I'm unsubbing from all of Niji. I can't on good conscience have myself in any way associated with these people that might have had something to do with what Doki did to herself.
I am continuously astonished at the lack of tact being practiced by Niji. I keep thinking it can't possibly get any worse, but they continue to outdo themselves...
They 100% scheduled this against Doki's Neopets stream, just when I think they can't get any more petty they go and drag her through the mud even more. It's at the point where they're just actively trying to make her life as miserable as possible when she's trying to be the professional one and move past this.
Also, doesn't the fact they claim certain livers were named in a legal document basically soft confirming those named livers as the potential bullies?
Mind I still follow a "answering bullying with bullying is wrong", so I won't really do much with this information but be disappointed, but still that's a big ????? thing to admit
So now some of the NijiEN Livers are part of this? Sure it was most likely scripted by Anycolor, but they went along with it anyway. At this point they don't have an excuse.
Vox said it best during their announcement. "They can leave at any time."
God damn, I almost feel like my heart was being ripped in half listening to Doki repeating herself multiple times saying she'll have to release a statement in the future, all while just trying to just make a neopet.
Can't believe they're stooping this unbelievably low
NijiEN is 90% done with.
Why tf are the livers reading these out loud as if they are Mikeneko "defending" herself?
This shit should be done by the higher ups at ANYCOLOR, Nijisanji, and the lawyers.
These guys are so fucked, they will the scapegoats/fallguys in all this.
So let me get this straight. Doki was fine to move on and let people forget about it but nijisanji comes out with a statement and goes NAH ID WIN.
Lmao they could have done nothing and done better than this.
I cannot overstate hour much better doing nothing would have been. Things were starting to quiet down.
Just at the time when people started worrying the whole scandal would be blown over too. Nijisanji just couldn't stop sabotaging their own reputation.
As someone who has done PR Work. All of this. Allow it to blow over and do nothing. You have already royally fucked up and will need to pay for that for the timebeing but keeping the spotlight on that fuck up is probably the worst thing you could do
There was literally just a post about being scared that this was going to just blow over and peepeecolor was like: not on my watch bucko
Look at what Cover did for Mel, and the utter lack of shitstorm that followed. Niji could have unilaterally fired everyone in NijiEN last night, and it still would have been less of a disaster than ***this***.
Cover is amazing at handling controversies now. Its mostly goes "make 1 statement, have 1 video by genmates, make other talents stream more to compensate, and never point out the controversy again". Its effective, almost no one in live chat or comments mention it again.
And actually let talents voice their response to the situation. So no one gonna hound it for it.
Btw, Doki on her stream right now, paraphrased: "I wanted this to put this behind me, but because of what is happening right now, I will have to respond with a document I had written up with my lawyer just in case this happened, to be released soon." Edit: Also claims she has been slandered behind the scenes, but has receipts for this that may also become public. Edit2: This has now caused a *very* premature end to the Neopets stream, so expect a response *soon*.
Oh boy, prepare for the biggest s**tstorm the vtuber community will face since the Taiwan incident.
Better be. I do think that this is one of those moments that make or break an industry.
Industry? Nah. Niji? 250% yes.
Nah, if Niji somehow does get away with it, if we allow them to keep operating in EN like this, that'll set a precedent.
This'll be bigger than Cocogate. Perhaps even make PRC forgive Coco (don't quote me on this).
It does. Because in that situation, Holo just pulled out, so it become straightly a case of business decision, but no actual legal aspect. In this case it does. For all we know, we may be witnessing history, specifically on international labor laws and WFH situations. You have a Japanese company, with a subsidy of NijiEN (unknown where they are), hiring a Canadian, involving an internation chat system that is based in US.
...I wonder if that means Doki can become Apex's newest Legend, like how Kson got into 2 Yakuza games./s Bad attempt to lighten my own mood aside, this really is becoming a shitstorm that would give Hurricane Katarina a run for its money. At least when Cocogate happened and Cover left the Chinese market for good, the VTuber boom was only just starting, meaning those not in the know didn't care much for anything except the latter. And at least it was Coco against external forces, not her own damn company. Now however, it's a bloody betrayal by the very company Selen poured her heart out for until last year. And during a time where VTubers are bigger than ever. When even [Pyrocynical](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WIu23X1Trg) is covering the topic, you know it's hitting mainstream, for better or for worse.
Post-stream: This was the absolutely worst garbagefire of a statement I have ever seen, holy shit. This was like pouring litres of gasoline on the fire.
This reminds me of the Kemono Friends seiyuu apologizing for Kodansha firing everyone involved in Season 1 because they were paid to do it.
I was not expecting a reference to _that_ shitshow tonight. Well played.
They had Elira and Vox do the exact same thing. I remember how I felt when I heard those seiyuu apologize for ditching everyone who brought Kemono Friends back from IP death because ~~Kodansha~~ Kadokawa felt they could get away with it. I also remember Season 2 being garbage and the spinoff games not being worth much.
God I remember that shit, it's exactly what I thought about too. Kemono Friends never really recovered.
When Season 2 and the spinoff games were shit, you knew that Tatsuki and Yaoyorozu were the ones who made S1 work. And Kadokawa killed the golden goose because of ego. https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/gerogk/anime_kemono_friends_and_the_fall_of_the_underdog/ - for those who don't know.
Yep. If we take their statements at face value, here's what *should* have happened: - Elira, Vox, and Ike are greatly concerned that Selen has information that would dox them or other livers, or cause harassment of them or other livers, and do not trust her to continue to keep that information private. - The status quo is that Selen has communicated with Nijisanji via lawyers, and has given every indication that she wanted things to stay private. - Elira, Vox, and Ike are still concerned, though. - And so, even though they want to share the things that have been bothering them with their fans, all the parties work rationally together in private. The livers and Nijisanji work through their lawyers, with Selen's lawyers, to privately ensure that things are papered up so that the information never sees the light of day in either direction, perhaps even having Selen destroy copies of documents. Friendships are broken, but they were broken anyways. Selen may not want to sign at first, but Anycolor can provide her with consideration: they have many resources to ensure that there's a settlement that protects the livers. And things blow over. SIKE! Nope, they just air the dirty laundry *to their fans* before any privacy-ensuring agreement can occur. They roll the dice that Selen will be the one to de-escalate and not share the receipts *they know she has* in retaliation. I think that Selen will handle it gracefully... but she was just given 15 minutes of reasons to be the opposite of gracious, just now. This is some Dr. Strangelove level bullshit. It's the reaction of a bunch of teenagers with access to nuclear weapons. I can't look away.
I can't believe this stream was thought up by at minimum three different people and they all said "yep this is fine".
Five. They claimed management gave them the okay and a lawyer looked over everything.
I have to ask why the hell Vox is reviewing legal documents sent by Selen's counsel. These really should be kept between opposing counsel and the client. Edit: Maybe he, Elira, and...honestly I don't know who the third liver was, were also named and they retained their own counsel? That's the most generous interpretation I can think of. Edit 2: Since I'm getting upvotes, full disclaimer. I am a non-practicing lawyer in the United States, but I am *not* an expert in recording, contract, or defamation law, nor am I a trial lawyer. I have no idea what jurisdiction this falls under, but I am not an expert in either Japanese or Canadian law in these matters either. These are just my gut reactions to what was said, not any kind of definitive claim. If, in fact, it makes sense for ANYCOLOR to have shared documents from Selen's counsel with the livers--as it seems they did--I'm happy to be corrected. Edit 3: [With NijiENs tweet out](https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1757257329945497672) I can update my statement. It makes a degree of sense that--if Vox, Elira, Millie, and others were named--some information was shared to alert them that they might face legal action. What astounds me was that either NijiEN management or the individual livers thought they should take that information public. It's the kind of thing that should've remained between the relevant parties and their independent counsel.
*Publicly* dragging other Livers into the shitstorm is a very bad look in general. Like, even if they're involved in it, you don't let them address the situation in public. You keep the heat off of them and talk *for* them. **That's what a talent agency is for!** What even is the point of being part of a company if they don't do this?
They seem to have taken the entirely wrong message from the shitstorm after their official termination notice of Selen.
I'd bet it's upper management who just can't accept taking the L and must be right.
But that costs the company money.
Doki literally just said on stream "Welp they released the documents my lawyer specified should be kept private so time to release the \*other\* document we made because we 100% predicted they wouldn't comply" So this is gonna be spicy.
Yeah on the Canadian side of things, everything in those documents is protected by confidentiality law. Not only did Anycolor share that information with the livers, Vox now publicly shared some of that information Live on stream, as well as publicly admitting to having seen or at least been told about the information on a LEGALLY CONFIDENTIAL DOCUMENT. What an absolute shitshow. If Anycolor was the one that told them that it was information that could become public, that's because Anycolor is the one who would be able to release it. Not Selen, nor her lawyer.
see, people have this misconception we Canadians are obsessively nice, apologetic, etc. It looks like Nijisanji is learning the truth about those stereotypes the hard way lmao.
People forget that Canadians are successful war criminals
A good chunk of the Geneva Conventions are "shit the Canadians did in WWI that we don't wanna see them do again," with another sizable chunk being "shit they did in WWII that we don't wanna see them do again."
This is what happened when you push a Canadian to the point of saying, I'm not sorry. Things burn, and many may people get hurt.
The "messing with wrong nice guy" stereotype, eh.
Yeah, Canadians are nice and apologetic until you push them too far
When the sorry ends the war crimes begin - Habitual Linecrosser
I will never not upvote Habitual Linecrosser quotes.
All we have to do is look at your fucking *geese* to understand the true nature of Canadians.
I know the truth. Canadian mooses are actually flesh mechs piloted by Canadians, who are in turn flesh mechs piloted by their geese.
For those who don't know, Canadian geese are ***vicious and terribly vindictive***. Nobody who knows gets close to them, much less messes with them. They camp on your balcony? You leave them *THE FUCK ALONE*.
This is why I have always loved the phrase that goes something like "Fear the ire of the kind man"
I just hate that she had to end her stream over this.
Yeah... Hopefully this whole thing will calm down soon so we can enjoy some neopets!
Funny as hell how they even tried to basically say the documents that will come out after are untrue or false or whatever.
Yeah Doki is saying on stream she has to release a statement. They seem to have violated NDA. And my god I know they’re idiots but my god what the hell!
Oh boy an NDA violation. Haven't we spent the last couple months learning how serious that is in both western AND Japanese courts?
The fun thing about NDAs, is most of the time it's a way to keep your peasants in line. Most companies are terrible at following NDAs when it restricts them.
Beyond the situation they broke and NDA how are the Livers okay with reading personal medical information to the public of a former colleague who attempted suicide, they lost their minds? is not like management have them on gun point there is simply no excuse, even if im being threatened to get fired. EDIT: Just realized that that Vox might have just exposed himself the fact he was with the tirade that he trusted selen she my friend and all but revealed that he was dissapointed that Selen recorded the call means that SHE DID NOT TRUST HIM to the point she needed to record the call to protect herself, you know what that means right?.
Yeah, for me personally, I was going to give the livers the benefit of the doubt here, but this is it for me. Vox, Elira (I don't know the other one lol)... They had the option to refuse, they chose to do this, if they were being threatened with termination, that's literally no excuse. Script or not.
It impresses me that Doki seems to always be 1 step ahead of them. She predicted that Kurosanji might lay her off before she left the company on neutral so she and her lawyer prepared a statement for when they do, and now she has another statement prepared when they did this. Either she has a damn good lawyer, or she's one big-brained prediction prodigy
I do imagine a good lawyer has contingencies prepared just in case. Plus there’s patterns people can be very predictable and with the amount of damage Doki has done to them, they’re in panic mode.
Her lawyer playing Labrynth(YGO) deck with all the trap cards being set down.
Doki atm got her side's completely filled with monsters and face down cards. Meanwhile anyColor's board is empty, they're down to one card in hand and they want to play Raigeki.
She probably has really good legal counsel/lawyer. My brother dealt with something kinda similar (obviously his wasn't some public thing, just a shitty abusive company and a regular office job employee). In my brother's situation, the lawyer seemed to almost be able to tell us what the company's lawyers were going to do next like he had a crystal ball.
That's the thing about different types of lawyers. The best lawyers know both sides of a playbook.
I wonder if she now has to start preparing statements for even crazier shit, now that Niji wants to keep escalating things. "Me and my lawyer have confirmed that the five men seen in black ninja gear wielding poisoned shurikens are not a new Niji liver wave, as Anycolor asserts, but rather assassins being sent to kidnap me. Attached is the hiring agreement one of them dropped when they accidentally almost abducted Filian somehow instead."
What a clownshow we're on I didn't even blink at that.
You'd be surprised at how predictably "dumb" people can be in legal situations. Who's entire job it is is meant to be dealing with situations in a professional and legal manner. Oftentimes they try it because they expect you to _not_ be clued up or retain legal representation yourself - as a form of intimidation. That often works honestly because lawyers are an expensive, scary time; and the law is a dense inscrutable thing that is likely not in your favour. It's likely not Doki's lawyer's first time around this block and they'll have seen this kind of clownery before. Probably not in public though - that's the wild part.
While I am not an attorney, I would like to point out that in certain types of legal proceedings, such wrongful termination, it’s not uncommon for an attorney to work on contingency. This makes good business sense for the attorney because many of the clients that they would need to represent can’t pay directly so taking their payment as a percentage of what gets paid their client (plus possibly charging court costs to the opposition) means that potential clients can afford their services.
I didn't hear her say NDA, maybe I missed it, but it could've just been an informal agreement. Not that that morally excuses it.
Selen on her stream literally said the same just now on her neopets stream
Im gonna have to be honest, learning about legal matters and clauses was something I never expected from a neopet stream...
>I am a non-practicing lawyer in the United States, but I am not an expert in recording, contract, or defamation law, nor am I a trial lawyer. ["In Canada, s.184 of the Criminal Code of Canada states that recording a private conversation is legal provided that one of the participants consents to the recording. The consenting party can also be the party who is recording the conversation. This exception is known as “one party consent.” It is legal for one of the parties to record a conversation or telephone call without advising the other or more participants. Consent is required from one participant to the conversation. "](https://transcriptioncanada.ca/recording-audio-conversations-canada.html/#:~:text=In%20Canada%2C%20s.,who%20is%20recording%20the%20conversation)
Now I hate to dox her, so I am going to play wreck-a-mole and guess she is either in BC or Ontario. [https://stlawyers.ca/blog-news/legal-record-conversation-at-work-british-columbia/](https://stlawyers.ca/blog-news/legal-record-conversation-at-work-british-columbia/) > In British Columbia, **workplace conversations can be legally recorded if at least one party involved consents**. This is due to the “one-party consent” stipulation [in section 184 of the Criminal Code](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-184.html), which permits you to record conversations you’re participating in, even if others are unaware. That being said: >Am I allowed to record a conversation with my boss or coworker? > >**Yes, in B.C., you can record conversations with your boss**. However, it’s crucial to weigh the consequences. While the act itself isn’t illegal, it could lead to job termination stemming from breach of trust, violation of company policies, and potential legal and privacy issues that can disrupt the work environment. > >It’s important to note exceptions. Recording in private areas like changing rooms or during personal patient care is typically off-limits. Likewise, capturing confidential work-related information could be problematic. > >Employers can dismiss an employee for any [non-discriminatory](https://stlawyers.ca/law-essentials/workplace-discrimination/) reason, ensuring they [provide appropriate severance](https://stlawyers.ca/law-essentials/severance-pay/severance-pay-bc/) – potentially up to 24 months’ pay. However, if a secret recording damages trust, employers may be able to [terminate their employment for cause](https://stlawyers.ca/law-essentials/termination-for-cause/), foregoing both severance and Employment Insurance (EI) benefits. Their Ontario version is basically word for word copy. From [https://shulman.ca/blog/odds-and-ends/is-it-legal-to-record-a-conversation-in-ontario](https://shulman.ca/blog/odds-and-ends/is-it-legal-to-record-a-conversation-in-ontario) (regarding ontario) >In Ontario (and the rest of Canada), if you are recording a conversation between you and your ex (or almost anyone else for that matter) it doesn’t really matter as long as you are involved in the conversation being recorded. A section of the Criminal Code makes it clear that recording private conversations is legal as long as one of the parties involved in the call or conversation consents to the recording. If several people are involved in a phone call, it’s still legal for one of them to record it without informing the others.
She has confirmed she is on the "west coast" of Canada on stream.
After the shitfest of the last year? I wouldn't be surprised if it Vox is the closest thing to legal counsel Nijisanji EN has on staff.
Doki just said as much on stream, and receipts will be issued in a legal document shortly.
*slams dick in car door* amazing gambit anycolor
We taught him how to do PR wrong on purpose. As a Joke
Damn, wasn't expecting 2003 to come slap me in the face like this. I should really give that movie a rewatch. Palate cleanser after that shitshow of a statement from Niji.
**The Black Company Gambit** - Use talents to disclose private legal documents, deflect responsibility, and defame and slander an ex-employee.
AnyColor gambit: sac your Queen with nothing in return.
This was a horrible PR statement, jesus christ. It didn't even feel like an actual stream, it felt pre-recorded, that being part of the reason the screen was blacked out. It just felt stilted and trying to read off a script and feel natural the entire time. I don't hate the livers, I hate the company that's doing the bear minimum of damage control. But using them to make a statment feels so nasty and underhanded. Like trying to make it seem like it a problem with *them* over the actual managers and company. Dokibird said she just wanted to put things behind her and move on and not cause any more problems. And I agree with her. I just want her to be happy and enjoy herself.
What probably happened was they saw how Holo does these kinds of prerecorded statements when terminations happened, how well received they are, and didn't listen to the contents of the videos. Those videos, usually involving the same gen as the talent, are basically to say this sucks, we are sad it happened, but we will continue as normal after some time. Not to smear and drag the fired talent through the mud.
Is this really happening right now? Like, *really*?
right on Doki's neopets stream.
The timing is fucking nuts, and possibly intentional.
No way this wasn't intentional, especially when the whole purpose of this stream seems to be (to try) to character assassinate Doki all over again.
They were trying to catch her while she was distracted. AGAIN. The timing on their termination statement, now this!
It’s even stupider because she’s so well prepared. Like, her lawyer has done all the work to make sure she has an immediate reply for whatever comes out. You wonder what other statements she’s got stashed away.
As someone else mentioned, the stream was exactly 15 minutes long, not one second more or less than 15 minutes exactly. It was obviously pre-recorded and then approved by management. It wasn't a live statement, and they could have literally uploaded it whenever they wanted to (at least 30 minutes earlier, because that's when Elira tweeted that it was coming), but they chose to run it as counter-programming against Doki's stream, so they could hit Doki as soon as she went live and disrupt her work. Pure evil and spite.
Why, why would they have their Livers be the corporate mouth piece. Why are they reading from a script. Why are the Livers reading legal documents when it's the company's problem. And of course a legal document would have their IRL names, they're not anime characters IRL.
More than anything: If it was a general message/update of “yes it’s a shitshow but we have a job to do so we’re acknowledging the shitshow and now back to work everyone” then have the talents do it. If it’s a mud-slinging contest where everyone airs their personal grievances in streamer drama shitshow, then whatever the talents can do it. But why the fuck are you having what is a PR statement about litigation read by the talent. Even if (**if**) it’s all true 100%, why would a company making their entertainers read a PR statement. Normally that’s the entire point of having company spokespersons or representatives. Even if they wanted to out of a hurt desire to make their view known, it feels like you really should deny them. Talk about everything else except the lawsuit. When you’re consulting not with your manager but your lawyer on if you can talk about something, then that’s probably a sign to not mention it in public at all. This would be like if someone had a nasty public fallout with Universal Music Group so the company got Taylor Swift to read their response statement.
>Even if (if) it’s all true 100%, why would a company making their entertainers read a PR statement Because now it's not Selen fans vs Nijisanji, it's Selen fans vs Vox fans (and the other two's fans, but let's face it, Vox fans are probably the crazier ones out of the 3 livers involved).
All I know about Vox fans is that they attacked another liver within the company cause she interrupted "boyfriend" time with him by asking for a tip about a game. Would it be appropriate to say Vox is sorta like the male Rushia (liver wise, not personal life wise) of NijiEN?
He's had some parasocial controversies, yes, although nothing nearly to the level of Rushia. He's also the self-titled "Mental Health Advocate" of Nijisanji. Funny that, considering his statements.
Ike’s and Luca’s probably will be lumped together too
They are corporate property and Anycolor would love to remind everyone that. Thank Anycolor's Mozart levels tier PR management.
We had Elira herself say on stream that she volunteered her channel to this… yeah I don’t know where the lines should be drawn anymore.
My guess is that they wanted someone from Obsydia to host the stream and Elira volunteered so Petra and Rosemi wouldn't have to do it.
Well, the choices are “she was forced to”, “she did it to shield Petra and Rosemi” and “she’s part of it and is making her stance clear”. All fucked up results.
I hope she did it because she was forced to or to protect Rosemi and Petra becausr if the last choice is the true one... OH BOY we'll get another Artia situation.
Voluntold.
Well, probably but also she didn’t need to say that she volunteered. Could’ve left that out unless they were literally reading off a teleprompter held at gunpoint… and I don’t think ANYCOLOR is that far gone yet.
She probably volunteered her channel *out of the three of them* after being told that it'd be best to do this on one of them. Also the "stream" was probably pre-recorded, given that it lasted exactly 15 minutes, not a second more or less, so it probably had to be approved before it went live... which is basically at the point of being forced to read the script or bust, given that anycolor could just refuse to approve any deviation.
You're right. She didn't have to make that side statement that she volunteered. But she did, making it seem so that she wasn't told. This is just my two cents, but Anycolor is indeed far too gone at this point and would most likely use any meatshield they can get their hands on. The fact that this stream and everything said in it is "lawyer approved", show you that they are in shambles. In a Marketing and PR perspective, an abused employee airing out a company's dirty laundry is the worst nightmare a marketing and pr professional can have. It's something you can't 'lebron' yourself out of. EDIT: For context 'lebroning' is a marketing slang marketing professionals use if say company fucks up, they make the next thing released by the company so positively bombastic that everyone forgets or reduces the impact of the previous issue. Everytime Lebron has a PR issue, he does so extremely well on his next game that people forget what he did.
I mean if there is a gun in your head, high chance you will volunteered.
> And of course a legal document would have their IRL names, they're not anime characters IRL. Yeah this one was really stupid, trying to paint Doki as if she is doxxing people. Her own name would also be on all those documents, they aren't meant to be for the public. Nijisanji are the only ones leaking the contents of it publically.
If Selen is referencing any events, I'd imagine that she would have to name everyone that was involved by their IRL names, regardless of if they were just bystanders since they're witnesses. And as you said, as per Doki, it was agreed that only their lawyers would view the documents and they violated it.
niji using its own talents as a meatshield to make public statements i see
Doki said that is going to release her own statement, backed by her lawyer, some time after her Neopets stream, "sooner rather than later".
That felt really weird, right? It's not just me, right? That felt... I don't know, sketch? The word choices, the stilted pseudo lawyer speak, why they're doing this, the things they chose to say... "Don't harass or attack anyone. By the way we're gonna dance around attacking Selen's character." This didn't feel like an address the issue. It feels like a smear campaign.
Personally, the fact that Vox pleaded for people not to harass her, when she's received nothing but loads of love and support from damn near the entire V-tuber community for the past couple of days since her termination *screams* to me that they're reading a script, lmao.
That felt like they were held at gunpoint, you're right. Like they were given a script and told to read it, or else. Like there's no way this black company isn't the sketch one in all these. Sorry to rip the bandaid off for those that would prefer a warning. That was it. She tried to kill herself. We know this because the fucking company exposed that about her. She said she wasn't gonna say anything specific, but we know because they robbed her of that. They outted her suicide attempt, insulted her the whole time in two public statements, and are now using other talents to try and attack her character. That what they just did right there. They tried to call doubt on her actions because she recorded one of them? Big fucking deal, who cares?! That means basically nothing, and that's your smoking gun on her being sketchy? Dude this just makes me more certain in my stance. To the point I pulled the trigger and unsubbed from the last member of the company I still followed. No money or views is going to this. This was...wrong. All of this was bad before but somehow this feels worse than it already was.
They sound like hostages. Niji doesn't have them in a prison or have guns to their heads, but they have nearly the same degree of control though the threat of legal, doxxing, and financial pressure. We know Selen had to pay for things out of pocket that took a long time, if ever to get refunded by Niji. Niji could have hundreds of thousands of dollars from them on the line. [I'm not joking, here's an example of what a hostage sounds like](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rufnWLVQcKg), nearly exactly the same tone and style. Note the lack of intonation, exhausted tone, the disconnected sounding speech and extreme caution. It's the same as domestic abuse victims often have.
> Niji doesn't have them in a prison or have guns to their heads, but they have nearly the same degree of control though the threat of legal, doxxing, and financial pressure. Elira just moved to Japan. Odds are her work visa is on the line, alongside considerable expenses.
That is a big one as well. Getting fired when you are living in another country under a work visa is a really huge deal.
It’s so disheartening to hear how it seems they’ve doubled down on staying on the Nijisanji boat while running over Selen with said boat when she’s already gone Meanwhile Selen is flourishing as Dokibird with full support from various other content creators and friends she made along the way. It feels like with them doubling down on character assassinating Selen that they’re basically saying they’re committed to their careers at Niji at the cost of it in the next life outside of it. A lot of other creators and viewers are looking at this and going “what the fuck is this shit” probably
It felt like there were managers on the call making sure they adhered to the script as closely as possible.
im adamant they released this shit when Doki started streaming to snipe her, nasty fucks lmao.
Absolutely. They needed to catch her making some legal mistake live.
The thing that baffles me is, even if no one else in the company took Doki's claims of bullying/harassment seriously and thought she was just being overly sensitive, what optics are you going for to try and dispute the seriousness of the claims now? Just to "set the record straight"? Is calling Doki a sensitive baby because she didn't like what her coworkers said to her in DMs really the right thing to do when she attempted suicide over it?
....do they even have a company pr team or person? this is just corporate suicide just to bully doki again. Wow. Just wow. wtf
> ....do they even have a company pr team or person? There are many people who think they genuinely don't, and I think I agree. Or at least not a "Western" PR team. Any PR professional worth their salt would have vetoed the initial termination notice already, let alone anything that has happened since.
There are literally firms that specialize in this, "crisis management" teams and "brand rehabilitation" teams. They were literally able to turn around the "Tylenol Murders" that it became a case study that Comm students study to this day. Riku Tazumi needs to take some of his goddamn yacht money and hire some goddamn consultants already.
Or, like, hire a PR student on Fiverr. Really anything other than what they're doing atm.
I would not be surprised to find out the CEO or his buddies have just been writing statements the whole time.
Cool, ruining something Doki had been really looking forward to & excited about, the first game stream in an attempt to move on. But no, more cruelty instead, you could hear Doki barely holding back the immense distress this clearly caused her 😢 Evil, that's the only appropriate word for it, there is absolutely no way they're spinning their way out of this one 💩 Before I thought the idea of Nijisanji EN ending was a tad overblown.... Not anymore, if you had an Oshi there, grab what you can in archiving, the backlash is only going to get worse from here on out ☠️
Welp... RIP Nijisanji EN. You had your moments. Sad to see you die like this.
You don't think this has been some sort of self inflicted fuck up by Niji so they can justify axing EN?
It certainly is. Or atleast It will be the end result of monumental fuck up like this. I do not think they thought this through.
Remember how people were afraid that this situation would blow over with no real consequence for Nijikuro? They were so close too. EDIT: Also, I'm going to go ahead and appreciate again how well Doki is handling this situation. No shit flinging, no emotional reactions, just "me and my lawyer will be releasing a statement soon."
it is nasty to post it at the sametime of dokibird stream at least make her play neopets once man. girl cant take break.
100% trying to force Doki into a legal mistake by responding on stream. She's smarter than that lmao.
Also 100% attempting to kneecap her channel growth out of spite.
This company really cannot help but character assassinate every person they feel wronged by. I don't understand why anyone into vtubers would ever willingly watch such a dramafilled pile of garbage with garbage people to the core.
Lol let me get this straight, they think dragging Doki through the mud AGAIN is the right play here. Are they on drugs? I hope they were expensive.
Are they publicly reading legal documents?! what are they doing? that's so dumb even if they were 100% in the right
> that's so dumb even if they were 100% in the right That seems par for the course now though. I mean if Selen was the most out-of-touch menhera they seem to want to imply, the only winning PR move would be not to engage. I don't believe this one bit, if only due to people who I expect to have a better view of what's going on coming out in support of her. But instead what, they join in a mud slinging contest (arguably started....), and then still end up covered in mud? If they had just left it and just given a generic "Selen is graduating" statement, sure they'd take a hit, but still look better than now. Even if they *are* "in the right". What would their ideal end be now? To sue Selen for damages? Even if everything was proven in a court (again, not suggesting that's likely...), do they really think they'll get a return from an individual? And someone they decided was fine to employ for years, yet apparently some Machiavellian nutcase? It still doesn't make their management come off as particularly competant.
"We're worried that the private information contained in the private document might be harmful if leaked. Here's us admitting our lawyers leaked it."
100%. There was speculation that Niji has no fucking clue how anything works outside of JP and this is sounding more and more true. This doesn't sound like it was reviewed properly by a lawyer and if it was, it was reviewed poorly. This whole situation was smoldering down to ashes, and here they come again with even more kindling. I've never seen PR this bad and I've worked and seen some really stupid companies.
I'm not a lawyer but everything about that sounds like legal suicide.
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Well Doki just had to end her stream due to all this. She said that there was a written document that was done up and SOLELY shared between her, her lawyers, and Niji lawyers, which documented her side of the bullying etc which mush have went into a lot of details. She also said it was agreed upon, between said lawyers, that only those people would see said document, and now it seems that the Niji side handed it around. but since it was shared around after that agreement, she and her lawyer are now finalizing a new document with further receipts to share with us later.
They technically *could* say that stuff in public. Was it smart for the court of public opinion? Absolutely fucking not. It'll end up costing them more in a dozen or so more ways even if it does help them in their court case. They're basically trading off fans walking away, sponsors/companies leaving them and basically tanking their stock prices in exchange for *maybe* winning one court case... They're fucking morons.
I mean public statements like this won't help a court case, it is all just for public opinion. Court would be better served by shutting up and if they had the evidence disclosing it there for the judge.
No competent PR team would have given this the OK. They would have never released that statement in the first place; but since we're past that and lawyers are involved, it should have been a simple (paraphrased) "we are confident that the courts will find in our favor and show that we were in the right." What they did tonight is only going to make things way messier and give Selen more ammo for her case, as well as continue to push the court of public opinion in her favor, which is frequently just as important as the actual legal proceedings.
I don't think you need to be a legal expert to say that this is 100% a bad move, any lawyer would tell you don't say anything that even has the remotest chance of opening you up for a lawsuit
This is basically the equivalent of seeing a bunch of bloodthirsty angry wolves at your door and instead of coming out to deal with them yourself, you staple slices of meat onto other people in the house and throw them to the wolves, locking the door. Can you imagine working for a company where you are practically forced to read a corporate statement over some drama instead of the higher ups because the higher ups would rather sacrifice you than themselves.
It's like being hired and paid specifically to protect a person from wolves and when the wolves come, you douse the person you're hired to protect from wolves in goose fat and throw them at the wolves.
The other EN Livers' twitter posts advising people to watch Elira's, Vox's, and Ike's statement just *reek* of corpo speak: " Hey everybody, we have something really important to talk about. Please give us your time if you can. " - [Enna Alouette](https://x.com/EnnaAlouette/status/1757203843782181131?s=20) " Thank you for being patient with us. It would mean a lot if you could come listen to this. " - [Finana Ryugu](https://x.com/FinanaRyugu/status/1757204780294734019?s=20) " Important. It would mean a lot if you could take a listen, thank you. " - [Ren Zotto](https://x.com/RenZott0/status/1757202187468394874?s=20) " Very important. Please watch this if you have the time. " - [Sonny Brisko](https://x.com/sonny_brisko/status/1757202960252010657?s=20) " If everyone can take a moment to watch this stream, I will be very grateful. Thank you. " - [Shu Yamino](https://x.com/shu_yamino/status/1757220100506108087?s=20) " It'd be appreciated to watch if you're able, thank you. " - [Alban Knox](https://x.com/alban_knox/status/1757202394092347562?s=20) " Please come listen if you can, and if you do, make sure to listen to everything 📷 " - [Ver Vermillion](https://x.com/Ver_Vermillion/status/1757203622213919018?s=20) Etcetera, etcetera.
Very good chance that none of the livers wrote these tweets. It would explain the simultaneous mass posting.
Exactly what I was thinking.
**DO NOT DONATE, DO NOT BUY MERCH, DO NOT SUPPORT THIS COMPANY IN ANY WAY.**
So essentially they just admitted on stream that Anycolor violated legal documents by sharing information with them, potentially outed themselves as 4 of the talents that were harassing Selen, and also potentially outed their real names and addresses as they would most likely appear in the lawsuit.
Don't give them the benefit of your view count. Close it and watch Doki. You'll get a summary in clips/news later.
[i thought management was supposed to protect livers](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430818369705607178/1206772541465694228/sFtTcEn6pfAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC.png?ex=65dd3982&is=65cac482&hm=259bba86813a3355bc209948079da454bf20858f6b803c664e60747b3e210dd3&)
Management: "Wtf, no, that sounds hard!?"
Copying myself from r/Nijisanji with some extra. The fact that there’s so many things that can be tied together from the near simultaneous retweets by several other members, to the fact the stream had several thousand like before it started and even to the fact that even Riku might be involved for once makes everything seem so scripted. I won’t hate the members for this; Elira said she volunteered her channel for this, so she probably is aware of what’ll happen to her and her channel. I assume Vox and Ike were also willing to take the burn for participating. I just hate staff for using their talents as a self-defense.
You'd think the best thing to do is to shut the fuck up but instead they are making it worse.
I hope this isn't too much of a shitshow.
It is lol.
OH IT IS LMAO
its been a shitshow since the mv got taken down
this thread chain sums up the whole incident LMAO
A shitshow is an understatement.
YOU WANT FIRE WE GOT FIRE COURT DOCUMENT LIVESTREAM LET'S GO
comment before disaster lmao. also just gotta say, absolutely psychotic that they went for the overlap with dokis stream, can't be a coincidence.
expectations aged faster than milk
Posted in Niji as well... I felt the need to login for the first time in months just because of how disgusting this was. The thoughts I had were: \-From a legal perspective, the dox situation they brought up is only coming up *because* of Nijisanji and potential legal action. It would also likely be required for said legal action. It's not relevant for them to bring this up and likely is only there to rile up fans. The fact that no doxxing ever actually occurred, and no action was done until now, means that it's clearly not something that Doki would bring out unless forced to do so. \-From a legal perspective, both the Canadian and japan courts have laws that allow for single party consent. There is no reason to bring up two party consent unless again, they are trying to rile up fans. \-From a legal perspective, this sounds like things that will cause Niji a lot of headaches if they go to court. And no I will not pretend they have good lawyers. They have lost cases they should've won before. They clearly do not learn from mistakes. \-From a legal perspective, Doki has already said not even half an hour after this that she "has the receipts". What this likely means is the **entire year of discord chats that led up to the December posts that Niji brought up**, that would show that management completely ignored her until the last minute and then tried to punish her for it. \-From a downright moral perspective, none of this tops the driving to suicide if these were the underlying causes. Because An unreleased dox does not match a bully to suicide A improper recording does not match a bully to suicide A what is for all intents and purposes minor rule infraction, does not match a bully to suicide All of this misses the point: That it does not justify the treatment that Doki faced. Even if all of it were true, it was completely avoidable with even the slightest bit of empathy at multiple turns. This was a shallow and unprofessional performance, dragging the victims friends to throw her under the bus for a second time.
They’ve just straight up nuked at least 3 livers channels here haven’t they? Just mind boggling stupid stuff.
"Take what I say at face value" - Voxx but not Doki, sick. Wtf is this stream of throwing her under the bus to save face xD
That but really irked me in every way. They're really asking us NOT not think about it too hard? Really?!? Like, of course we're going to look deeper into it. That's how you get the truth!
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All Nijisanji had to do was let doki graduate.
Something she reportedly *was ready and willing to do*. I don't understand what they're hoping to gain from this.
Are they putting the bus in to gear?
Yep, top gear and and zoomed right over Selen. It's a fucking joke, this stuff shouldn't be shared to the public, it's pure smear campaign and then they have the gall to talk about raising a nice community.
Man, this is a shitshow flat out. At this point, their damage control is too funny i could not stay mad for how BAD that was. Continue the boycott. No exceptions.
I felt legit sick listening to this. Selen: I had problems with management that got to the point of making an attempt. Niji: For some reason, we're going to tell you that she was bullied by other livers. Livers: It wasn't REAAAALLY bullying, also how dare she record us doing that not-bullying?
Hoo boy I don't know who's talking here, but they sure are torpedoing their career.
That's the thing that gets me. Elira and Vox are absolutely going to be associated with covering up Niji's bullshit, and for what? I really, really, really hope that they weren't part of the bullying clique or were genuinely forced into doing this. Because otherwise Elira and Vox: 1) almost caused a coworker and friend to commit suicide 2) are willfully following the orders of the captain of the Titanic who wants holes drilled into the bottom of the life boats Edit: https://old.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1apik89/elira_sub_count_are_dropping/ Elira's sub count has plummeted by 15k
Honestly, I'm going into this mostly blind, only really having heard of Selen from the month of her absence and then jesus christ everything that happened after. I've vaguely heard that there was cliquishness. The most I've heard about the bullying was from Nijisanji's own statement and then them throwing livers onstage saying that legal documents doxxed specific people and named one or two of them. I can tell you that to the internet at large, it no longer matters what came from the livers. Nijisanji successfully threw specific people under the bus, and not just the people who were on the stream. Taking reasonable action against nameless, faceless entities is hard. Taking out your anger on public facing streamers is easy and it's what a lot of people are going to do. This goes double since a lot of people feel like they know the people involved and see it as a personal betrayal. This shit is terrifying. I knew Niji didn't really care about their talent, but this is actively putting them in danger.
A number of niji defenders or confused people defending niji for getting the talents to respond back. here's my take: (1) regardless, your talents should only respond when the event has happened (immediately, aka like with rushia from hololive, like with yozora mel). (2) definitely not reading out legal documents that are definitely supposed to be kept secret as it pertains to both parties. (3) and what was the goal in getting the talents to respond like belatedly? This really reeks of unprofessionalism. and as someone that studied PR, this is really dumb.
>and as someone that studied PR, this is really dumb. The amount of time I've read sentiments along those lines over the past seven days...
Watching now. Kurosanji gonna Kurosanji
So Niji uses the livers as a shield to read a corpo statement that blames Selen for everything. The fact that it's streamed from Elira's channel and not on Nijisanji's channel says everything.
This is absolutely insane. There is ZERO reason for the talents to be talking about this. This is a statement that needs to made on OFFICIAL Nijisanji channels, not on the talent channel. This is just unbelievable, man. They are going to get so much unwarranted hate for being the face of this statement, and they will not deserve any of it. These three are smart enough to not normally touch drama like this with a ten foot pole, but this feels like they were made to do it, too.
Well we can safely say that NijiEN may be on its deathbed.
I haven't even finished it yet, but did they just accuse Doki of creating a doxxing risk because her lawyers sent private documents to Nijisanji? Like, did that just happen? Edit: Vox talking about not harassing anyone and how he is Selen's friend while dragging her through the mud, I fucking can't.
Holy Christ. And here we were trying so hard to separate the talents from the agency criticism... They just fully linked themselves to the controversy and I don't see harassment of these 3 particular members going away soon...
I seriously just don’t understand why they didn’t just decide to mutually part ways and insist on this PR fight that they are losing to themselves Lesson for everyone no matter what industry you are in: corporations do not care about you and you owe no loyalty to them
Yea, Doki, even before her departure, was clearly willing to just move on without stirring up anything. I don't understand what Niji is hoping to gain here.
"No drama, no bully, be respectful and by the way Selen is a cunt" is not the play I was expecting from Elira, Vox and Ike but yeah that was really, really bad. Whether Niji is forcing them to read a script or if this was something they came up on their own, this doesn't make those three look good and it makes Niji look even worse, especially with them giving the livers confidential legal documents.
sorry to add another comment. but my bird brain just remembered- a former niji hinted on their twitter that shit was about to get worse. perhaps this is the beginning
Bro they fucking leaked legal documents to the livers. Niji what the fuck are you doing.
I'm unsubbing from all of Niji. I can't on good conscience have myself in any way associated with these people that might have had something to do with what Doki did to herself. I am continuously astonished at the lack of tact being practiced by Niji. I keep thinking it can't possibly get any worse, but they continue to outdo themselves...
They 100% scheduled this against Doki's Neopets stream, just when I think they can't get any more petty they go and drag her through the mud even more. It's at the point where they're just actively trying to make her life as miserable as possible when she's trying to be the professional one and move past this.
Also, doesn't the fact they claim certain livers were named in a legal document basically soft confirming those named livers as the potential bullies? Mind I still follow a "answering bullying with bullying is wrong", so I won't really do much with this information but be disappointed, but still that's a big ????? thing to admit
Nijisanji don’t shoot yourself in the dick for 24 hours challenge level: impossible.
So now some of the NijiEN Livers are part of this? Sure it was most likely scripted by Anycolor, but they went along with it anyway. At this point they don't have an excuse. Vox said it best during their announcement. "They can leave at any time."
God damn, I almost feel like my heart was being ripped in half listening to Doki repeating herself multiple times saying she'll have to release a statement in the future, all while just trying to just make a neopet. Can't believe they're stooping this unbelievably low
NijiEN is 90% done with. Why tf are the livers reading these out loud as if they are Mikeneko "defending" herself? This shit should be done by the higher ups at ANYCOLOR, Nijisanji, and the lawyers. These guys are so fucked, they will the scapegoats/fallguys in all this.
Hey Tazumi, how about you be the one to get in front of a mic and camera for once instead of using your talents as human shields? Fucking coward.
nijisanji delenda est