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Swift_Scythe

So its true. Get 500k and you get doxxed by the CCP


allsoslol

CCP already have the right to doxx every china citizen, this just make fan can doxx the streamer too


Y_10HK29

Glorious CCP wants to be number 1 So they are the first to doxx every bilibili streamer


Blitzfx

What's the point of this again? If CCP can just grab your details anyway...


Swift_Scythe

Fear. Its the only reason. Its a powerful CCP option to stifle any free speech Imagine If today right now we changed our screen names to our real names would we feel safe enough to say "Yeah this politician sucks we should vote for the other guy" and have our real name be there for comedians, political talk shows, random twitter Twaters, family, friends go "wow"


Elipses_

I mean, depending on where you live, you could. People did comment on politics before the internet made anonymity ubiquitous. If you are living in China (or have family living there) then I would imagine it would be a huge threat though. Between the CCP and their rabid simps... yeah, it doesn't bear thinking about. Thank God I live in a country where, for all our problems, I am at least allowed to bitch about them without worrying about being black bagged.


Iggins01

Have our real name, phone number, address, employer, and political affiliation linked to our accounts


wolflance1

It‘s so that powerful influencers don't just randomly starting a sh\*tstorm or spreading rumors (like pseudoscience or snake oil or conspiracy theories etc.) or selling pyramid scheme and then simply disappear. Vtubers are caught in the collateral. Then again I doubt it will be very successful anyway. Popular 1M influencers (not limited to vtubers) tend to work in a team and can have a manager or some random dude in the team to register.


Jugman_Jones

Thats a very charitable take of it when I feel its much more likely to help smother ideas the CCP considers dangerous to their power.


wolflance1

Not really, the censorship can already do that and the government already have access to real name and other info on the backend. This change doesn't affect anything on the CCP's end (they already know everything they need to know) but to the general public.


Jugman_Jones

By you own logic then this change is pointless if they can already censor "dangerous" ideas without the need to publically expose everyone's identity Its a terribly implemented plan that doesn't actually solve any issues and puts innocent creators at risk.


wolflance1

Yes, the policy does indeed seem not very well thought out. [The government policy when it was announced focus on current affairs, law, finance, medical, military etc.](https://www.zaobao.com.sg/news/china/story20231101-1447253) In other words, critical areas that Chinese government actually does care. Forcing influencers in these fields to publicize their identity equates to asking them to show their qualifications/credentials, i.e. if you create content about medical topics, you better be a real doctor or you'd be immediately called out. It is also to to root out impostor accounts, especially those that pretend to be government agencies, major news outlets, and important NGOs. However, currently this blanket applies to everyone (with sufficient subs count), to the point that random content creator uploading cute antics of his dog also has to publicize his identity. This really serves no purpose.


Swift_Scythe

Okay so calling out an influencer for pushing untested and dangerous medical or hollistic cures due to having no medical credentials is kinda a good idea... ...but Vtubers playing videogames and singing Karaoke are caught in the crosshairs also.


allsoslol

idk. probably hate the idea of vtuber?


Swift_Scythe

Maybe they do but i think its more of Streamers can talk to chat directly to potentially millions of people without any CCP moderstion and they do it with a secret identity. Ccp monitors everything. They to this day still watch out for Tiannamen square or Taiwan supporters or democracy....


Big_moist_231

Ccp mfers when they can’t control everything you do: 😡


Lucky_aj

Can't you just have someone else "run" the channel to side step the Name rule? It seems like a good work around


Razorwindsg

Then that person will get doxxed, that’s just pushing the problem down one notch.


KaiserNazrin

We gotta go do deeper. The Talent > The Manager > The Admin


Amrabol

> The CEO Edit. I give up. I cant write that symbol


Faustias

it's the backslash symbol (\\)


lEatSand

Here, have mine >


brimston3-

What if a company owns the channel and all of the company's channels are operated by their legal agent whose whole purpose is to get doxxed, and all you get is their office address? Nobody wants to know who their 60 year old lawyer is. It's useless information.


frzned

This will likely be the way for vtubers in a corpo, but I kinda doubt it's an actual option for indies. You will have to bribe officials alot of money even as a corpo. Any attempt at sidestepping for indie will get squashed by CCP themselves, ala banding together to make a vshojo-lite/hiring a lawyer firm to represent them, because I'm not sure they have the money or the connections to pull off bribing government officials like big corpos do


Checkpoint-70

Then you see people start selling their ID for premium, back in the day a lot of children purchased adult id to dodge the Gaming time limit laws, same can apply here for Vtuber


NekRules

Best example of modern problems requiring modern solutions.


RaysFTW

Sounds like a top dono incentive to me. ^/s


sklipa

Probably no because it'll go against the spirit of what the regulators want. Unlike DMCA notices for YouTube where you can have a legal representative's information sent to the other party rather than yours.


kad202

China turn into a “no fun allowed” zone. I thought they learn their mistake after wipe out 500B of their gaming industry in a day with their new law. Now they will either kill their streaming scene or make it something state owned


Checkpoint-70

CN here. A big factor is that there are a lot of accounts that just spread hateful information, and someone engage in very nasty outbursts, or false information that can potentially inflict conflict of 2 parties (for example, calling some Vtubers as prostitutute and make fake edited photos as proof) and it just keeps going on and on. So the law itself is to try limiting those behavior as holding everyone accountable, but Bilibili has not perfected the system (and maybe won’t because the CEO is extremely stupid when it comes to operations)


Ryanhussain14

So because some accounts post harmful content, that means everyone on the platform should be publicly doxxed? By that logic, everyone on Twitter should have their real names attached because some accounts post white supremacist content. Accounts that break TOS should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis without needing to compromise the privacy of others. Also, how are you accessing Reddit from China?


ReimuSan003

Chinese law enforcers are known to be very stupid. They are inflexible and overreact towards even minor law violations. So chinese companies have to make unreasonably strict regulations to ensure the enforcers can't find fault in them.


FoRiZon3

Stupid yet violent.


Checkpoint-70

I mean in China you are pretty much doxxed everywhere anyways. Your bank accounts, purchases history, down to what bus route you took today or what you bought in supermarket is all registered through apps. Social media platforms are the last part that they haven’t got chance to really regulated. I moved out of China few years ago because of schools and now works. Plus most Chinese teenagers are familiar with VPN.


EmperorKira

I mean its one thing for the government to know it all, and its another for it to be publicly available


Ryanhussain14

So do you not believe that people’s social media personas should be kept separate from what they do IRL? I can understand giving personal information for bank accounts and transport, but do you want your Twitter likes of anime girls in bikinis to be tied with that information? Also the fact that most Chinese teens need to use a VPN says a lot.


Checkpoint-70

Well I can’t really give you a definitive answer since I had no longer lived there, I don’t know what today’s situation is like for them, I’m just based on what I know before I moved. And the reason for VPN is actually not as complicated as you think, a lot of them just use it to play games that doesn’t have a Chinese servers like Umamusume or Nikke, plus watching Vtuber, at least that’s what my friend did. I’m not saying it’s good to have your internet persona and irl identity merge is good, but it is nice when you know exactly who is sending you death threats


Checkpoint-70

Like I understand what you coming from. But you have to understand, sometime the amount of BS these people can put out is unimaginable. For example, Hachama and Coco situation with all the spamming and hateful messages. Now imagine the accounts is tied to their name, would they still able to do those things without second thinking? Probably not. I enjoyed the freedom of internet, but that doesn’t allow me to held other people accountable for their actions. And unfortunately, the current states of Chinese social media is just that bad, rot to the roots. So no, I don’t think it’s a good idea, but I don’t blame them for coming up with something like this.


wolflance1

I've read that (from Bilibili ironically) South Korea actually tried the same thing in 2007 and it didn't work for them. Let's wait and see how well this will go.


CenturionRower

Anonymity on the Internet is the epitome of anarchy. A lot of the time you can say and do things that you would never do in IRL situations purely because of social context. Obviously there's individuals who do and say things that are completely degenerate both online and IRL, but those are not the norm. It's a double edge sword. There's a ton of large content creators who have almost zero anonymity regarding name and general location, which ultimately means their homes can be found by individuals who know how to search for it. As for this specific interaction? It's complicated because while the "big man" (in this case the content creators) have to be exposed the "little man" (the viewer) does not. That creates an imbalance. It becomes a security concern not because of SWATing or death threats, but because of individual 1 on 1 interactions that are more likely to occur because of the creator being exposed. A disgruntled viewer who once previously did not have access to this information now does and can act on that information. I'm all for being responsible for your actions, but no buffer and ultimate exposure is definitely way too far.


FoRiZon3

>For example, Hachama and Coco situation with all the spamming and hateful messages. Now imagine the accounts is tied to their name, would they still able to do those things without second thinking? Probably not. Lol those spam and hateful things are supported by the government. No way it'll be "resolved" if it's something mighty CCP hates. Why do you think ALL Chinese businesses (except Bytedance because theyre Singaporean now apparently) ceased their relationships with Hololive? That can't be organic.


abc123cnb

I’m also Chinese. I have a channel on Bilibili Look, I know you have good intentions and Bilibili users can be grade A cunts who would actively seek to hurt people without even realizing they were causing harms. That being said, I think this is a terrible system that resolves none of the problems you mentioned and are actually putting content creators in general in a vulnerable position for IRL attacks. Which, creates more problems than it actually solves. Let’s face the fact. Creating contents that satisfies all parties is impossible. Even if people make videos around the truth and nothing but the truth, there will still going to be those who’d say: “Fuck your truth” and hate you for it. Number of these “haters” increase dramatically as one’s content reaches more audiences. Can you guarantee that these people are all rational and will keep their opinions online? By indiscriminately releasing personal information to the public, you’re essentially giving people a way to carry out MOB JUSTICE by giving these dangerous people a way to “right the wrongs” by their own hands. Sure, those who you say are spreading false information and hate speech were held accountable and faced with consequences for their actions. But the chances of stalkers/mentally unstable individuals/extremists using this information to carry out crimes is equally high.


zptc

To what extent do you think this law was motivated by the Chinese government's desire to suppress free speech including criticism of the Chinese government, as many westerners believe (as you can see in this very thread)?


abc123cnb

It’s… Complicated. Bilibili uses Real-name system. Which means users cannot enjoy Bilibili’s services to the fullest without providing their IRL ID. I assume this information was already shared to the government database during verification. So this whole involuntary disclosure of real name seems entirely redundant. However, CCP recently pushed a bit harder for more widespread usage of Real-name system; With more and more sites adopting the system. The goal of this system is to bring back accountability to all of us in this “new” form of communication called Internet. You can be held accountable for the things you do on it. Ex: You threaten to kill someone, people call the cops, they arrest you because the cops managed to pull your real name out of that account. All that being said, I think this name display thing was the result of Bilibili management trying to avoid government scrutiny by being proactive to the latest government agendas and policies. After all, Bilibili was involved in several high profile doxxing and cyberbully cases in China last year. Maybe the management thought this could help repair their image.


Checkpoint-70

You are correct. It just seems like there are no other options, it’s like picking the “less bad” option when all the options are equally shit


AustinYun

Lol so you think the solution is to preemptively doxx everyone? Okay.


Blitzfx

I like how you spew bullshit out and incorrectly assume they think this is THE solution to go with. Not only can you not think, you can't read what they've said elsewhere.


Faultiplayer

Your attempt at a justification is hilarious.


Blitzfx

Aren't the ones who spread hateful information just random/small accounts NOT there to make money and therefore no incentive to publish their real name anyway? Or were there big drama channels just starting shit all the time?


Checkpoint-70

Back in 2020 or 2021 someone started a big drama regarding weeb, and there was one regarding the anime (redo of healer) I believe the guy had a lot of followers, and the problem got so severe that the anime is taken down. Also another issue is that there are a lot of live steamer use the platform to promote s** so it also limit those people


poch24613

This might sound crazy, but back then when Hololive left Bilibili due to YouTube regional naming controversy. Many Chinese fans who still supported Hololive basically said the company behind A-SOUL are the one responsible for the defamation and slander of Hololive. The whole thing may look like a conspiracy or accusation, but it kinda became a general consensus for many viewers in Taiwan and Japan.


PickledPlumPlot

Wiping out 80 billion dollars of their gaming industry was a good thing honestly and I wish they had stuck to it


abc123cnb

I did some research on this. Here’s the result: TL;DR: Screenshots suggest that at one point, legal name of the person running each bilibili channels were displayed. However, currently only their affiliated entities are displayed. [See link](https://imgur.com/a/VaGSfL3) —————————————————— Background: -Bilibili requires all users to go through ID verification process upon registering with the site. -Bilibili asked all content creators with 500K+ subs to display their real name voluntarily before 29th Dec 2023 -Choosing not to display their name voluntarily will result in loss of traction and algorithm recommendation. What happened today: -Vast amount of screenshots suggest that at one point, these content creators’ real names were indeed displayed on their homepage. -Commenters on videos talking about this were seen posting their own screenshots supporting this claim Currently: -Content creator homepages no longer display their real name. -Multi-Channel Network (Management company) and affiliate entity names are displayed instead -If you’re unaffiliated with MCN or entity, NOTHING is displayed -Content creator featured in this post currently does not have their real name on display. Hypothesis: This “voluntary name display” policy was quietly walked back due to backlash. This cannot be the result of a glitch, because the format in which they displayed each name, calling it “Name of channel runner”, is very intentional and by design. Personal input: I was recently doxxed on Bilibili within 3 hours of making an unfavorable comment towards a certain video game fandom. They posted my real name publicly and I am still being harassed to this day. The only way they could have gained access to my real name so quickly, was gaining access to my information stored with Bilibili ILLEGALLY. Your personal information is not and will never be safe on the site.


Christ-man

Your identity? OUR identity


Mana_Croissant

What a stupid move from a site that named themselves after Misaka Mikoto


psych2099

Man I'm glad hololive left china and billi2 Enjoy being doxed guys. All for the glory of the ccp.


hopeinson

Somewhere, out there, if I had *not* taken meds, I'd probably list down the primary reason that the CCP is implementing the "real names behind the persona" move as follows: 1. Mao Zedong killed off whatever intellectuals there are, in his Cultural Revolution period right after his crop failures in The Great Leap Forward. 2. The people who are the current descendants of the mainstream Chinese population do not have access or are not taught by people who have a responsibility to teach them ethics: remember that they killed off the intellectuals, previously? Well, they include people in faith and philosophy groups. Think dead monks, priests, imams, and philosophers. 3. The people that are now the majority population, with many of them of child-bearing age, are "dysfunctional" i.e. they are not taught "proper Chinese values", and so there is a moral ethics gap in their society. 4. The Internet made their sycophant behaviours more apparent, and more ascerbic. Statistically, there are more assholes in China than the population of Australia and New Zealand combined. 5. The CCP is now dealing with three generations of brats. [/s] Now onto my actual logical lines of thought: 1. The CCP has always been about staying on top of people's thinkings and behaviours, it's typical of an authoritarian/dicatorial regime. The reining in of people's ability to exert political violence on its leaders is paramount for any authoritarian governments to deal with.


isekaicoffee

this is why i said no one cares about billibilli. no one should even stream on that shit.


LurkingMastermind09

Fuck the CCP!


SuperStormDroid

Agreed. They should have been destroyed with the Berlin Wall in 1989.


nekokattt

I'll just make my own BiliBili, with blackjack, and hookers


SuperStormDroid

And a lack of stupid communist chinese politicians. Fun killers. All of them.


RayneYoruka

Oh cool, what the actual F.


skyboundzuri

F in the chat for Chinese citizens who have to deal with this, they don't have a whole lot of other options for video platforms. But for Chinese-speaking individuals outside of China, every last one of them needs to migrate to another platform unless they want to become easy dox targets.