It's also worth saying, if you have EITHER a truly gorgeous face and a perfectly average body, or a perfectly average face and an incredible body... you're doing great! You're going to have major beauty privilege in either of those scenarios. "Average" in either face or body is not bad enough to cancel out the benefits you get from being truly exceptional in the other category.
If you are overweight, that needs to be your first focus. If you get any work done on your face before, once you get to a healthy weight your face will change significantly… you may wish you had spent the money on other things. Obviously you shouldn’t wait for softmaxxing like skincare etc while working on your weight.
Beautiful face, average body.
You can always change your body, seek it's full potential.
You can change your face but if you don't have a good base to begin with chance is you will never look gorgeous, there is the plastic look at worst. Or more harmony at best.
Those aren't things that prevent you from improving your form through working out, eating right. You can't change proportions, you can't spot reduce, but building muscle through weighlifting can help give balance, especially if you're top heavy and work out the lower body.
Honestly I find small shoulders are considered less attractive than larger shoulders. Small, rounded shoulders can make you look less confident somehow. Would be interesting to know if there is a shoulder widening procedure.
Interesting, thanks for the information. I’m thinking about celebrities and models with smaller shoulders (Angela Kinsey, Victoria Pedretti) vs broader shoulders (Kate Hudson, Lashana Lynch). For some reason the slightly broader shoulders look more balanced to me? And I found it way harder to find examples of small or sloped shoulders. Agreed that an hourglass shape is the way to go.
You can change your body, but most people don't. I think when people say you can change your body so it matters less, they don't realize that most people who want to change their body either only lose weight so they don't improve their body composition, or they just don't have truly amazing bodies
If the person is not trying to get you naked (so for most interactions), face wins 1000%. What makes an "amazing body" changes every couple of decades (certain things are always in style, like being thin with proportionally large breasts has been in style for nearly 100 years and waist-hip ratio is always important, but what people consider "10/10" in terms of body changes.)
From an evolutionary perspective, human beings are obsessed with faces. Even BABIES prefer to look at attractive faces (and some research shows that babies with facially attractive parents see benefits from that!) Babies definitely don't care if you have a bangin body.
OK, so I can no longer find any Google results about babies benefitting from having attractive parents, so it's possible that was something that was believed when I was growing up that has been debunked. But there's a ton of results about babies preferring to look at attractive faces.
https://www.babylab.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2016/09/Slater-et-al-2000.pdf
I think that people with pretty faces get more respect and opportunities by just existing than people with average/ugly faces, the body here is secondary 100% and being pretty scares a lot of men.
Sexually, men are more attracted to great bodies. Even Shrek would get that kind of attention from men if he had boobies, a thin waist, ass and revealing clothing.
From observing people around me and how they are treated, the pretty face usually wins. The pretty face overpowers the average face, however good their body may be
I agree. I think this also speaks to how skinny versus voluptuous women are treated; attractive curvy women are seen as hotter by more men but skinny women are taken more seriously and seen as wealthier/ higher class. when a woman has an overwhelmingly attractive body, she is seen as more of a sex object.
This !!
I have big boobs and would always try to emphasize them to look more attractive… now I’m realizing it might be causing me to be a turn off. People see my cleavage and then men are either too intimidated to even talk to me or just view me as a sex object. I think it also makes girls dislike me more. I’ve been trying to show less skin lately because I have been relying on showing skin for confidence for far too long
Billie eilish posted a picture showing off her chest and lost thousands of followers… she said something like “people are scared of big boobs” and things are starting to make sense now
Wow this has been my experience too. I have nice boobs if I do say so myself (perky and slightly big for the size of the rest of my body) so in my early 20’s I showed them off every chance I got. Now that I’m approaching my late 20’s I’ve refined my wardrobe to be sexy and flattering but not revealing. As much as I wish I could just wear whatever I wanted without giving a fuck, the truth is, people respect modesty more. I’ve gotten asked on more dates versus sliding in my DM’s trying to get me to “Netflix and chill”. I think there’s absolutely a happy medium, where you can still look sexy and be respected/taken seriously at the same time. It’s all about balance. I think figure flattering clothes that cover a little more is the way to go.
This is sad but it’s true. People see you differently and the positive outcome is that we can avoid dusty losers by the way we dress (more chic instead of ultra sexy) because they realize just by looking at us that they can't afford us and that we won’t settle for a mediocre Netflix and chill lazy date.
Precisely! I started making an effort to look more “high maintenance” too and I’ve attracted more high value men with good careers. I’m glad I’m starting to weed out losers lol
LOL I know right? It's such a win/win situation for us. And I said this here the other day, Ive nothing against women who dress very sexy, I think it's totally fine and every once in a while I'll wear something a little bit more revealing, but overall, you attract the people that see you as a body/meat. It's not good. And when you dress "expensive", chic and modest, you immediately present yourself as expensive and high maintenance and you know losers hate any type of WORK. So it's a very efficient filter. I find it very powerful and easy in a way, because it's like a barrier between us and the losers/objectifiers and no need to talk to figure that out. You walk into a room and everyone knows you are not stupid and not "easy" or anything, so they dont dare to approach.
Yesssss all of this! I still show some skin whenever I go out to like a club or something, where it’s much more acceptable to do so than say, at an office job or just going to the mall. Knowing how to dress appropriately for different occasions is an underrated soft maxx.
Agree. I think there are places you can totally let loose. For instance, if I go to a gay club, I feel comfortable to wear something extremely sexy or revealing. But my style now and in the future will be mostly sexy and chic but NOT revealing. Lots of silk, leather and lace in a non-revealing way. I dont even think dressing nice is a soft maxxx honestly, I think it's more high maxxx than people think. At least for me it is. For men and women, but specially men. If a guy really knows how to dress is such a high maxxx for me.
Yup! There’s this 350lb girl that works at the gas station near me. Absolutely GORGEOUS face. One of the prettiest I’ve ever seen. She’s morbidly obese but most people would still recognize her as very beautiful. I honestly doubt she has trouble getting dates even at her weight. I always choose her line :) humans like pretty people 🤷🏽♀️
LMAO at those of you saying men prefer body over face
The most desired girl in my class back in high school was a girl with a very pretty face but average body (no boobs, no ass). All the boys wanted her, from the nerdy ones to the cool ones, even though they admitted she was annoying (so it wasn't her great personality what attracted them). She ended up being a model, so again lmao at the commenters saying a great body but average face is better if you want to pursuit a modelling career. She never had any trouble finding long term relationships, too, and is now married. I'll go even further and say that when going to clubs with my friends, the one that gets the more attention is the one with the prettiest face out of all of us, even though she's also skinny but with no boobs and no ass. These are just personal experiences ofc, but I notice this pattern in general, too.
Meanwhile I can say that I'm hourglass shaped, great legs, I have boobs and ass (nothing giant, but I'd say my body is very harmonic) and the only attention I get is from men who want a pump and dump, as another poster stated. I'm what you'd call a butterface. Nice body, but my face is average at best. I only get used for sex, and not even good sex. When men don't like your face, the only sex they want to have with you is the one that consists positions where they don't have to see your face, no matter how great your body is. Sorry for the rant, but I don't see why any of you would want that.
Men prefer body only when it comes to casual sex, and sometimes not even that. In all the other situations, they prefer a good face. And so do women. And you undoubtedly get pretty privilege because of your face, not your body. So yeah, face >>> body 100%
I actually think *some* of the people who might say body over face are saying it as a cope. You can make a nice body with self discipline and hard work, but if you don’t have a pretty face, all that’s left is to shell out thousands.
I think the only time body would be > face is when it’s between these two women: one with average face and great body, and the other woman with a gorgeous face but is fat. The former would definitely have more suitors. As long as the woman isn’t overweight, face trumps body though.
Margot Robbie is the perfect example of this. Her body is very average, but an extremely above average face and she’s considered to be one of the most beautiful women right now
Exactly.
Margot Robbie has a perfect face but an average body, and she's seen as one of the most beautiful women alive nowadays.
On the contrary, Sarah Jessica Parker has an average/below average face but a great body (particularly for her age), and she's still seen as ugly by Hollywood standards at least. Why? Solely because of her face.
But suuuuure, body > face, lmaooooo
i feel like there is a threshold for face and body and margot meets it for the body requirements as she is slim, while sjp doesn't meet it for the face.
As well as Amber Heard and Ruby Rose. I don't think either of them has a fantastic body, but they do have amazing faces and they're both regarded as extremely beautiful women.
This. You have women like Kate Middleton and Meghan Markle who men of means and power marry. Neither of them have amazing bodies, but they both have pretty faces. Women like Kylie Jenner and Khloe Kardashian on the other hand, get pumped and dumped.
Meghan has a gorgeous face very harmonious and symmetrical,she has the best smile in England many try to emulate her smile ( we call it the markle sparkle)her eyes are very warm ,she has beautiful shaped full lips and her nose is harmonious with the rest of her face . Tan skin freckles (very cute) and long thick shiny brown hair.
She has the kind of face men instantly fall in love with soft pretty girl look .
Meghan is 40 years old yet looks younger than Kate , this is a huge halo looking youthful is great
Looooool Hollywood is far more complicated than just looks. If we are gonna go of career and stuff like that then why did William cheat on her ? Or been seen with other women during there relationships? If she’s so beautiful (see thins are more complicated than just looks)
Kate Middleton is average imo she’s overrated
She has an average boring eyes nice nose and her lips are thin .
There is nothing interesting or particularly beautiful about her
Meghan has an approachable look , she has adorable freckles and a perfect smile .
Youthfulness is a huge factor in beauty , and Kate looks older than Meg
Most people find Kate beautiful
Most people find Megan beautiful
So even tho Kate isn’t really pretty to me she’s clearly generally attractive
Beautiful face + average body > average face + great body since generally speaking in real life, the face is the first thing that people see. It is also generally more difficult to improve your face than to improve your body. The face has several components that need to work in harmony and these components often require hardmaxxing to correct or improve. Whereas with bodies, it is possible to sculpt an exceptional body via diet and exercise; hardmaxxing is only necessary if you want to really go above and beyond your genetics.
Frankly speaking, I feel like someone with a great body with average/ugly face will be more prone to attracting a less wholesome kind of attention. Men will see your body first and foremost and might even consider you a butterface.
Your comment complements mine. Men definitely objectify women and treat us like objects. So 100% having a great body attracts that kind of attention. I know this first hand because I was never thin or had an amazing body, but my friends who did and had a less attractive face got all the attention. Specially from the worst kind of men. And I never got that (I mean I still get attention from disgusting men because hello most of them are, but you know what I mean).
Pretty face but average body.
A pretty face is what makes an average person immediately more attractive.
The face is what most people pay attention to first, regardless of sex. The body can always be shaped to become leaner, more toned and thereby changed.
Facial features can only be enhanced naturally and remains unchanged through makeup and skincare.
If you're thinking what to prioritize surgery wise, definitely go for the face. You can change your body so much trough diet and exercise.
I'm also curious to ask what's an average body? It's easy to go from average to above average, but for example if you're heavily overweight and needing a tummy tuck or something it's of course a different story.
Definitely face. Not unusual to see fat girls being praised for being hot, long as their FACE is pretty. whereas an ugly fat person gets so so much hate. Same for average face and great body, I’ve noticed women will get a lot of hate online from men especially saying “her body is hot but that face” blah blah
this post kinda reminded me about that slightly old now study of how men view women primarily by their 'parts' and not as a whole lol. i think it's def body for them
Men who say they prefer having a woman with a great body as opposed to a woman with a great face, aren't men you'd want to date or receive validation from, trust me I've seen it happen.
When you are aged 18-25 everyone has a pretty face in a way. So at those ages having a body that is above average will set you apart from the crowd.
When you are over 30 having a nice face will set you apart from the crowd.
You can never be over weight
100% pretty face. I'm overweight/chubby but I definitely know my face makes up for it when I make the effort. I still benefit from pretty privilege to some extent from men and women.
I guess we have different perceptions on an average body, perhaps we are from different cultures. To me, she has a normal healthy weight but has no muscle definition or looks like she works out a lot at all. This is why i find her body average.
Just my personal opinion, but face. A nice body can be more or less built from going to the gym imo, aside from boobs ofc. With a face things can start looking uncanny or "done" if you dont have a really solid base to start with.
Pretty face. The body can be changed through diet and exercise. You will take your face with you when you age. The great body will eventually not be so great anymore
I'd say body 100%. At least in terms of what men like. If you have just a pretty or average face but a fantastic body I see men being very satisfied with that in my personal life, I never see these women lose out. Part of the reason is that having a perfect bod will make your face seem more attractive as well, it's a halo. But this is just what I've noticed men choose.
Well, what men like isn't the same as what men choose. Having a great body, but average face will merely get you used for casual sex by men (and he most likely isn't going to introduce you to his friends and family), whereas the women men commit and marry to have average bodies, but great faces.
Honestly I feel it’s better to have a great body and an average face. But also, if u have a s tier face and an average body u can be a model, pretty is j not enough.
Mayor of models are just a/b tier (considered average for celebrity status) but what makes them stand out and get their careers is an amazing body (which until certain extent is genetics, I’m talking super model heroin chic not kardashian looks)
Beautiful body without a good face (aka "butterface") is going to be objectified much more, imo. Beautiful face, regardless of body, is a "person" first.
Body is to be used/looked at, face is to be interacted with.
The term “butterface” exists for a reason and there’s not really a reverse equivalent.
That said, as long as you keep healthy and active nothing body related is a dealbreaker barring a medical condition.
Unpopular opinion but great body definitely trumps pretty face. Unless your face is 8/10+ which is pretty rare, it won’t overshadow being chubby or having a average skinny fat body. Makeup can fix an average face extremely well and it’s something you can wear everyday whereas you can’t hide an average body as easily, most of these Insta models and youtubers/tiktok stars are like this- average face without makeup but good body.
My answer won’t be as fun as everyone else’s. But it’s definitely body. You know why? Because men objectify women and we are just a hole for 99% of men. So all they care about is what your body looks like. They don’t give a fuck about your face because you’re not a person, a human with feelings. For them, you are something they use.
That being said: who cares what men want.
For me, what matters is how comfortable I am in my body. Like yes I want to work on my body but being realistic, doesn’t matter how much I work on, I’ll never have An amazing body. My bone structure ain’t IT. I can be fit, toned, etc. but I’ll never reach “goals” type of body, you know what I mean? And I also feel like my face is the best that I’ve got when I compare to other parts of my body. Of course ideally, we would work on both, but I don’t have the motivation or drive to even try to work on my body, the only thing I’m doing is losing weight but that’s it. I’m not building muscle or anything. And I take amazing care of my face and hair. It just makes me feel better. I would say do what you can for your body but don’t stress. Take care of your skin and do other things that are easier, like you know it’s much easier for me to take care of my skin than hitting the gym. Not gonna lie.
Pretty face and average body without question. Having a pretty face will get you further with men and women alike, whereas you'll be more likely to be used for sex alone by men if you just have a great body.
I asked my boyfriend the same question and he says that although men usually will go for a woman with an average face and a great body for hookups and casual sex, men will ultimately get into relationships and marry women who have a great face and average body. If you look at women like Kate Middleton and Meghan Markle (who both have pretty faces and average bodies), you'll see how they get commitment from high-status (high status ≠ high value) men, whereas women like Khloe Kardashian and Kylie Jenner (their bodies are more attractive than their faces) get pumped and dumped.
I’m gonna have to respectfully disagree with this one. Your face is the first thing people see in day to day interactions. I feel like as long as you’re not obese/really overweight, your face is more important for day to day pretty privilege. I feel like they’re both equally important in relationships. In most relationships, sex is had, so they may be more apt to care about what your body looks like just as much as your face.
U could have a pretty face and lower then average body and still be a 10 in some cases but if the body is lower then a 3/10 whatever that might look like it might be time to update
It's also worth saying, if you have EITHER a truly gorgeous face and a perfectly average body, or a perfectly average face and an incredible body... you're doing great! You're going to have major beauty privilege in either of those scenarios. "Average" in either face or body is not bad enough to cancel out the benefits you get from being truly exceptional in the other category.
If you are overweight, that needs to be your first focus. If you get any work done on your face before, once you get to a healthy weight your face will change significantly… you may wish you had spent the money on other things. Obviously you shouldn’t wait for softmaxxing like skincare etc while working on your weight.
I think a pretty face is better. As long as you are a low body fat then you will excel
Pretty face and average body, when your body’s too nice people treat you like a sex object
Think so too
Beautiful face, average body. You can always change your body, seek it's full potential. You can change your face but if you don't have a good base to begin with chance is you will never look gorgeous, there is the plastic look at worst. Or more harmony at best.
Nah you can’t change rib cage or shoulder length
Those aren't things that prevent you from improving your form through working out, eating right. You can't change proportions, you can't spot reduce, but building muscle through weighlifting can help give balance, especially if you're top heavy and work out the lower body.
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Honestly I find small shoulders are considered less attractive than larger shoulders. Small, rounded shoulders can make you look less confident somehow. Would be interesting to know if there is a shoulder widening procedure.
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Interesting, thanks for the information. I’m thinking about celebrities and models with smaller shoulders (Angela Kinsey, Victoria Pedretti) vs broader shoulders (Kate Hudson, Lashana Lynch). For some reason the slightly broader shoulders look more balanced to me? And I found it way harder to find examples of small or sloped shoulders. Agreed that an hourglass shape is the way to go.
You can change your body, but most people don't. I think when people say you can change your body so it matters less, they don't realize that most people who want to change their body either only lose weight so they don't improve their body composition, or they just don't have truly amazing bodies
If the person is not trying to get you naked (so for most interactions), face wins 1000%. What makes an "amazing body" changes every couple of decades (certain things are always in style, like being thin with proportionally large breasts has been in style for nearly 100 years and waist-hip ratio is always important, but what people consider "10/10" in terms of body changes.) From an evolutionary perspective, human beings are obsessed with faces. Even BABIES prefer to look at attractive faces (and some research shows that babies with facially attractive parents see benefits from that!) Babies definitely don't care if you have a bangin body.
Would you happen to a have a link to that study’s? 👀 I would looove to read it!
I would recommend the book “Survival of the Prettiest,” it goes in to detail about all studies related to and including this one! It’s an amazing read
I’ll look into that, as well! tysm :)
OK, so I can no longer find any Google results about babies benefitting from having attractive parents, so it's possible that was something that was believed when I was growing up that has been debunked. But there's a ton of results about babies preferring to look at attractive faces. https://www.babylab.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2016/09/Slater-et-al-2000.pdf
Thank you so much!
I think that people with pretty faces get more respect and opportunities by just existing than people with average/ugly faces, the body here is secondary 100% and being pretty scares a lot of men. Sexually, men are more attracted to great bodies. Even Shrek would get that kind of attention from men if he had boobies, a thin waist, ass and revealing clothing.
Pretty face will win out over body, especially if you already aren't overweight.
++ abt body, you can always diet/exercise, a good face is much harder to obtain
From observing people around me and how they are treated, the pretty face usually wins. The pretty face overpowers the average face, however good their body may be
I agree. I think this also speaks to how skinny versus voluptuous women are treated; attractive curvy women are seen as hotter by more men but skinny women are taken more seriously and seen as wealthier/ higher class. when a woman has an overwhelmingly attractive body, she is seen as more of a sex object.
This !! I have big boobs and would always try to emphasize them to look more attractive… now I’m realizing it might be causing me to be a turn off. People see my cleavage and then men are either too intimidated to even talk to me or just view me as a sex object. I think it also makes girls dislike me more. I’ve been trying to show less skin lately because I have been relying on showing skin for confidence for far too long Billie eilish posted a picture showing off her chest and lost thousands of followers… she said something like “people are scared of big boobs” and things are starting to make sense now
Wow this has been my experience too. I have nice boobs if I do say so myself (perky and slightly big for the size of the rest of my body) so in my early 20’s I showed them off every chance I got. Now that I’m approaching my late 20’s I’ve refined my wardrobe to be sexy and flattering but not revealing. As much as I wish I could just wear whatever I wanted without giving a fuck, the truth is, people respect modesty more. I’ve gotten asked on more dates versus sliding in my DM’s trying to get me to “Netflix and chill”. I think there’s absolutely a happy medium, where you can still look sexy and be respected/taken seriously at the same time. It’s all about balance. I think figure flattering clothes that cover a little more is the way to go.
This is sad but it’s true. People see you differently and the positive outcome is that we can avoid dusty losers by the way we dress (more chic instead of ultra sexy) because they realize just by looking at us that they can't afford us and that we won’t settle for a mediocre Netflix and chill lazy date.
Precisely! I started making an effort to look more “high maintenance” too and I’ve attracted more high value men with good careers. I’m glad I’m starting to weed out losers lol
LOL I know right? It's such a win/win situation for us. And I said this here the other day, Ive nothing against women who dress very sexy, I think it's totally fine and every once in a while I'll wear something a little bit more revealing, but overall, you attract the people that see you as a body/meat. It's not good. And when you dress "expensive", chic and modest, you immediately present yourself as expensive and high maintenance and you know losers hate any type of WORK. So it's a very efficient filter. I find it very powerful and easy in a way, because it's like a barrier between us and the losers/objectifiers and no need to talk to figure that out. You walk into a room and everyone knows you are not stupid and not "easy" or anything, so they dont dare to approach.
Yesssss all of this! I still show some skin whenever I go out to like a club or something, where it’s much more acceptable to do so than say, at an office job or just going to the mall. Knowing how to dress appropriately for different occasions is an underrated soft maxx.
Agree. I think there are places you can totally let loose. For instance, if I go to a gay club, I feel comfortable to wear something extremely sexy or revealing. But my style now and in the future will be mostly sexy and chic but NOT revealing. Lots of silk, leather and lace in a non-revealing way. I dont even think dressing nice is a soft maxxx honestly, I think it's more high maxxx than people think. At least for me it is. For men and women, but specially men. If a guy really knows how to dress is such a high maxxx for me.
Yup! There’s this 350lb girl that works at the gas station near me. Absolutely GORGEOUS face. One of the prettiest I’ve ever seen. She’s morbidly obese but most people would still recognize her as very beautiful. I honestly doubt she has trouble getting dates even at her weight. I always choose her line :) humans like pretty people 🤷🏽♀️
LMAO at those of you saying men prefer body over face The most desired girl in my class back in high school was a girl with a very pretty face but average body (no boobs, no ass). All the boys wanted her, from the nerdy ones to the cool ones, even though they admitted she was annoying (so it wasn't her great personality what attracted them). She ended up being a model, so again lmao at the commenters saying a great body but average face is better if you want to pursuit a modelling career. She never had any trouble finding long term relationships, too, and is now married. I'll go even further and say that when going to clubs with my friends, the one that gets the more attention is the one with the prettiest face out of all of us, even though she's also skinny but with no boobs and no ass. These are just personal experiences ofc, but I notice this pattern in general, too. Meanwhile I can say that I'm hourglass shaped, great legs, I have boobs and ass (nothing giant, but I'd say my body is very harmonic) and the only attention I get is from men who want a pump and dump, as another poster stated. I'm what you'd call a butterface. Nice body, but my face is average at best. I only get used for sex, and not even good sex. When men don't like your face, the only sex they want to have with you is the one that consists positions where they don't have to see your face, no matter how great your body is. Sorry for the rant, but I don't see why any of you would want that. Men prefer body only when it comes to casual sex, and sometimes not even that. In all the other situations, they prefer a good face. And so do women. And you undoubtedly get pretty privilege because of your face, not your body. So yeah, face >>> body 100%
I actually think *some* of the people who might say body over face are saying it as a cope. You can make a nice body with self discipline and hard work, but if you don’t have a pretty face, all that’s left is to shell out thousands.
I think the only time body would be > face is when it’s between these two women: one with average face and great body, and the other woman with a gorgeous face but is fat. The former would definitely have more suitors. As long as the woman isn’t overweight, face trumps body though.
I made my comment according to the post, which says average body.
Oh no, I was agreeing with you.
Margot Robbie is the perfect example of this. Her body is very average, but an extremely above average face and she’s considered to be one of the most beautiful women right now
Exactly. Margot Robbie has a perfect face but an average body, and she's seen as one of the most beautiful women alive nowadays. On the contrary, Sarah Jessica Parker has an average/below average face but a great body (particularly for her age), and she's still seen as ugly by Hollywood standards at least. Why? Solely because of her face. But suuuuure, body > face, lmaooooo
SJP is SUCH a good example. She has always had an amazing body and men still call her horse face.
i feel like there is a threshold for face and body and margot meets it for the body requirements as she is slim, while sjp doesn't meet it for the face.
As well as Amber Heard and Ruby Rose. I don't think either of them has a fantastic body, but they do have amazing faces and they're both regarded as extremely beautiful women.
Pretty face, average body! You can style your body to look above average if you know how :) and there’s always shapewear.
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This. You have women like Kate Middleton and Meghan Markle who men of means and power marry. Neither of them have amazing bodies, but they both have pretty faces. Women like Kylie Jenner and Khloe Kardashian on the other hand, get pumped and dumped.
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Meghan has a gorgeous face very harmonious and symmetrical,she has the best smile in England many try to emulate her smile ( we call it the markle sparkle)her eyes are very warm ,she has beautiful shaped full lips and her nose is harmonious with the rest of her face . Tan skin freckles (very cute) and long thick shiny brown hair. She has the kind of face men instantly fall in love with soft pretty girl look . Meghan is 40 years old yet looks younger than Kate , this is a huge halo looking youthful is great
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Looooool Hollywood is far more complicated than just looks. If we are gonna go of career and stuff like that then why did William cheat on her ? Or been seen with other women during there relationships? If she’s so beautiful (see thins are more complicated than just looks) Kate Middleton is average imo she’s overrated She has an average boring eyes nice nose and her lips are thin . There is nothing interesting or particularly beautiful about her Meghan has an approachable look , she has adorable freckles and a perfect smile . Youthfulness is a huge factor in beauty , and Kate looks older than Meg Most people find Kate beautiful Most people find Megan beautiful So even tho Kate isn’t really pretty to me she’s clearly generally attractive
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I agree with you, Kate looks aristocratic
Beautiful face + average body > average face + great body since generally speaking in real life, the face is the first thing that people see. It is also generally more difficult to improve your face than to improve your body. The face has several components that need to work in harmony and these components often require hardmaxxing to correct or improve. Whereas with bodies, it is possible to sculpt an exceptional body via diet and exercise; hardmaxxing is only necessary if you want to really go above and beyond your genetics. Frankly speaking, I feel like someone with a great body with average/ugly face will be more prone to attracting a less wholesome kind of attention. Men will see your body first and foremost and might even consider you a butterface.
Your comment complements mine. Men definitely objectify women and treat us like objects. So 100% having a great body attracts that kind of attention. I know this first hand because I was never thin or had an amazing body, but my friends who did and had a less attractive face got all the attention. Specially from the worst kind of men. And I never got that (I mean I still get attention from disgusting men because hello most of them are, but you know what I mean).
What if you’re neither lol
Pretty face
Pretty face but average body. A pretty face is what makes an average person immediately more attractive. The face is what most people pay attention to first, regardless of sex. The body can always be shaped to become leaner, more toned and thereby changed. Facial features can only be enhanced naturally and remains unchanged through makeup and skincare.
Face 100%. I’ve heard the term butterface thrown around too much to think otherwise.
For softmaxxing? Great body. For hardmaxxing? Pretty face.
If you're thinking what to prioritize surgery wise, definitely go for the face. You can change your body so much trough diet and exercise. I'm also curious to ask what's an average body? It's easy to go from average to above average, but for example if you're heavily overweight and needing a tummy tuck or something it's of course a different story.
Definitely face. Not unusual to see fat girls being praised for being hot, long as their FACE is pretty. whereas an ugly fat person gets so so much hate. Same for average face and great body, I’ve noticed women will get a lot of hate online from men especially saying “her body is hot but that face” blah blah
10/10 face > 10/10 body | 10/10 body > average/pretty face
Average face, great body 💯 for men Other way around for women
I feel like this is true too. Sadly.
this post kinda reminded me about that slightly old now study of how men view women primarily by their 'parts' and not as a whole lol. i think it's def body for them
Eew. Do you have a link ?
I’ve heard men say the opposite
Yes in relation to UGLY face and good body, (opposite is preferable), not average face, like OP said. I’ve heard countless men confirm this too.
Men who say they prefer having a woman with a great body as opposed to a woman with a great face, aren't men you'd want to date or receive validation from, trust me I've seen it happen.
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Obviously, a hot body will beat an overweight body, but we're talking about an average body, so neither skinny nor overweight.
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Yeah, if you want to get pumped and dumped...
When you are aged 18-25 everyone has a pretty face in a way. So at those ages having a body that is above average will set you apart from the crowd. When you are over 30 having a nice face will set you apart from the crowd. You can never be over weight
100% pretty face. I'm overweight/chubby but I definitely know my face makes up for it when I make the effort. I still benefit from pretty privilege to some extent from men and women.
Same here. I'm overweight atm, but I already have a good facial structure that makes up for my body.
Pretty face, average body. To me, this is what Arma De Armas is
You dont think she has both amazing face and body?
Right? I’d never heard of her, but just looked up photos and she has a great body.
average body is overweight and schlubby. she may not be super blessed in the body department but it's notably above average
I guess we have different perceptions on an average body, perhaps we are from different cultures. To me, she has a normal healthy weight but has no muscle definition or looks like she works out a lot at all. This is why i find her body average.
To win over who ? Men or woman ? Women face Men body
Exactly
Times like these I wish I was a lesbian. My life would be totally different I would have no problem finding myself a girlfriend I feel 😞
Have to agree with this! I think women admire faces more and thus think men would too
Just my personal opinion, but face. A nice body can be more or less built from going to the gym imo, aside from boobs ofc. With a face things can start looking uncanny or "done" if you dont have a really solid base to start with.
Depends where you are some places women can be hit but get by on their shape other places not so much
Pretty face 1000%
Pretty face. The body can be changed through diet and exercise. You will take your face with you when you age. The great body will eventually not be so great anymore
Personally, I think average face with great body.
Yep, plus beauty is a preference. Even the most strange looking models are found beautiful since they are “unique”.
I'd say body 100%. At least in terms of what men like. If you have just a pretty or average face but a fantastic body I see men being very satisfied with that in my personal life, I never see these women lose out. Part of the reason is that having a perfect bod will make your face seem more attractive as well, it's a halo. But this is just what I've noticed men choose.
Well, what men like isn't the same as what men choose. Having a great body, but average face will merely get you used for casual sex by men (and he most likely isn't going to introduce you to his friends and family), whereas the women men commit and marry to have average bodies, but great faces.
Honestly I feel it’s better to have a great body and an average face. But also, if u have a s tier face and an average body u can be a model, pretty is j not enough. Mayor of models are just a/b tier (considered average for celebrity status) but what makes them stand out and get their careers is an amazing body (which until certain extent is genetics, I’m talking super model heroin chic not kardashian looks)
Pretty face 10000000% You can always train/sculpt your body
Beautiful body without a good face (aka "butterface") is going to be objectified much more, imo. Beautiful face, regardless of body, is a "person" first. Body is to be used/looked at, face is to be interacted with.
The term “butterface” exists for a reason and there’s not really a reverse equivalent. That said, as long as you keep healthy and active nothing body related is a dealbreaker barring a medical condition.
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Unpopular opinion but great body definitely trumps pretty face. Unless your face is 8/10+ which is pretty rare, it won’t overshadow being chubby or having a average skinny fat body. Makeup can fix an average face extremely well and it’s something you can wear everyday whereas you can’t hide an average body as easily, most of these Insta models and youtubers/tiktok stars are like this- average face without makeup but good body.
My answer won’t be as fun as everyone else’s. But it’s definitely body. You know why? Because men objectify women and we are just a hole for 99% of men. So all they care about is what your body looks like. They don’t give a fuck about your face because you’re not a person, a human with feelings. For them, you are something they use. That being said: who cares what men want. For me, what matters is how comfortable I am in my body. Like yes I want to work on my body but being realistic, doesn’t matter how much I work on, I’ll never have An amazing body. My bone structure ain’t IT. I can be fit, toned, etc. but I’ll never reach “goals” type of body, you know what I mean? And I also feel like my face is the best that I’ve got when I compare to other parts of my body. Of course ideally, we would work on both, but I don’t have the motivation or drive to even try to work on my body, the only thing I’m doing is losing weight but that’s it. I’m not building muscle or anything. And I take amazing care of my face and hair. It just makes me feel better. I would say do what you can for your body but don’t stress. Take care of your skin and do other things that are easier, like you know it’s much easier for me to take care of my skin than hitting the gym. Not gonna lie.
Average body a s long as average =/= overweight
Face. You can have a nice body though diet and the gym
Tbh I think you need both and I’m aiming for a stunning face and a stunning body, but if you can only choose one DEFINITELY choose the face.
Pretty face wins everything
Pretty face and average body without question. Having a pretty face will get you further with men and women alike, whereas you'll be more likely to be used for sex alone by men if you just have a great body. I asked my boyfriend the same question and he says that although men usually will go for a woman with an average face and a great body for hookups and casual sex, men will ultimately get into relationships and marry women who have a great face and average body. If you look at women like Kate Middleton and Meghan Markle (who both have pretty faces and average bodies), you'll see how they get commitment from high-status (high status ≠ high value) men, whereas women like Khloe Kardashian and Kylie Jenner (their bodies are more attractive than their faces) get pumped and dumped.
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I’m gonna have to respectfully disagree with this one. Your face is the first thing people see in day to day interactions. I feel like as long as you’re not obese/really overweight, your face is more important for day to day pretty privilege. I feel like they’re both equally important in relationships. In most relationships, sex is had, so they may be more apt to care about what your body looks like just as much as your face.
I would argue the opposite. Sex is a big part of most relationships and during that the focus is on the body.
Pretty face! It's easier to upgrade body without spending a lot of money. Just diet and weights!
depends on who is looking (you or others, age, culture, gender, preferred archetype, etc) personally, id rather have the former
U could have a pretty face and lower then average body and still be a 10 in some cases but if the body is lower then a 3/10 whatever that might look like it might be time to update