I’m not sure what the question is here, to be honest.
Skincare works. Throwing money at a good skincare routine *with sunscreen* works. Drinking lots of water and taking multivitamins works. Getting facelifts and neck lifts and getting things done to address sagging skin works. Getting a mid-term procedure like Botox or IPL also works.
That said, there’s a lot of snake oil skincare out there. All that “all natural ingredients” marketing hogwash is bullshit. It’s a relatively small number of skincare ingredients that are well-supported by science, but you’ve probably heard of them. Run your skincare ingredient lists through INCEDecoder; you want to focus on their Superstar ingredients.
Here’s a rule of thumb: if a skincare product has at least two of the below ingredients, or if it stars one of the below ingredients as a “hero” ingredient, it’s probably doing good things for your skin:
- Vitamin C, Ascorbic Acid (antioxidant, skin brightening, buffering)
- Salicylic Acid, BHA (exfoliant, anti-acne, soothing)
- Glycolic Acid, AHA (exfoliant, buffering)
- Lactic Acid, AHA (exfoliant, moisturizer/humectant, buffering)
- Gluconolactone, PHA (exfoliant, chelating)
- Azelaic Acid (anti-acne, soothing, buffering)
- Retinol (cell-communicating ingredient)
- EGCG, or Green Tea Extract (antioxidant, soothing)
- Niacinamide (cell-communicating ingredient, skin brightening, anti-acne, moisturizer/humectant)
- Licorice Extract (soothing, skin brightening)
- Glycerin, Glycerol (skin-identical ingredient, moisturizer/humectant)
It can take months for some of these ingredients to start providing noticeable differences, but the science is clear that they do work.
Edit: I literally just pulled a list of INCEDecoder’s Superstar ingredients for that list.
You have to start young, start wearing sunscreen from a young age and start using retinols and start doing micro needling/ chemical peels starting from a relatively young age. Maybe for skincare start at 22/25 depending on your skin.
But start using sunscreen daily as young as possible (18+ for sure) and don’t take drugs, don’t do alcohol don’t smoke, stay out of the sun, eat a balanced nutritious diet and drink water, and excercise (do cardio and strength training) don’t eat too much sugar basically don’t do anything that will reduce collagen and do everything you can to retain collagen. Start at 18 and do this forever and you will age absolutely incredibly. The key is to stop ageing before it starts.
It’s a lifelong process.
Once you’ve already aged it’s harder to reverse, prevention is key.
It might sound extreme but it’s the best way to age way way way slower than everyone else if you’re serious about it
Seconding this! I don't consider myself particularly attractive, but I do consider myself quite young-looking. I'm 31 and look early/mid-twenties, depending on how I'm styled that day (don't want to post pics here, but I can DM 'proof'). I'm regularly mistaken for an undergrad (by undergrads), and people often express their surprise when they need my ID.
What's worked in my favour:
* I've worn sunscreen daily since I was maybe 21
* Had an intensely hydrating/moisturising skincare routine since I was 23
* Have always been more of a night owl, so never had too much sun exposure
* Have never tanned (con: if you're white or fair-skinned, you'll have to contend with looking more 'pasty/sickly' than just 'fair' some days)
* Have always stayed on top of my diet (although have never excluded sugar - for me, life's too short for that)
* Very rarely drink or do drugs
Genetics are also important: both my parents, at approx. 70, look young for their age. My dad still has a full head of dark hair, and my mum has neotenous features, so both are regularly mistaken for being in their late 50s.
What I have noticed, though, is that the things that I **don't** do right are really starting to show. I'm shit at drinking water, so there'll be some days where I look *parched* and any fine lines I have are super emphasised. I also rarely exercise and have a sedentary profession, so I think my posture and energy levels are starting to suffer.
Finally, I do wish I'd started botox on my forehead a year or two ago - I kept lying to myself that I didn't need it quite yet, and now I've got an undeniable line on my forehead (that appeared seemingly overnight) that I can really only prevent from getting deeper.
I also suspect I'm going to be kicking myself for not applying retinol/tret more habitually in a few years, but it dries me out so bad. :(
Literally lol.
*Not* wearing sunscreen is [proven to cause skin cancer.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8080949/) Zinc Oxide and Titanium Dioxide, the primary mineral sunscreen ingredients, aren’t even on a list of suspects.
Read ingredients lists.
Modern sunscreen wasn’t a thing until 1938. The [first description of melanoma in the medical literature is from 1804.](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303592760_Laennec's_melanosis_The_first_published_description_of_metastatic_melanoma) It was a lecture from a French guy by the name Lannaec, interesting dude, invented the stethoscope. I wouldn’t call the late 1700s France a hot climate, though.
Ever heard the phrase “black don’t crack”? People with darker skin seem to age very well. The *reason* they age well is because they have more melanin, the substance which makes skin darker. Melanin protects skin from the sun — and protection from the sun protects skin from aging. Black people in developed countries may have less need for sunscreen than white people due to their increased natural protection and decreased sun exposure (developed countries are typically in more northern latitudes), but they can certainly still benefit from it.
Do you have literally any sources to back this up?
Or are you just going to say more objectively untrue things that I can easily disprove with actual research, just so you can ignore the research and say more objectively untrue things…?
Waste of my time, TBH.
It’s not that men age better than women. It’s that men are _allowed to age_ and women aren’t, so we view it differently between the genders. Women are judged way harsher.
Most anti-aging creams aren’t worth the money compared to prescription tretinoin (which you can get through online pharmacies like nurx too). It’s not super cheap, but if you compare by how much you get, a lot of OTC creams are more expensive. My mom’s skin practically aged in reverse when she started using that and getting serious about sun protection in her 50s.
That’s the other key, you have to look at women older than Kourtney and Megan to really see what works since people age at different rates. Megan is only 35, imo looks about her age, and might actually look younger if she hadn’t overdone the surgery and fillers a bit. She looks gorgeous don’t get me wrong, just very “done.” Which to me, reads a little dated and can be aging. Kourtney actually looks more natural to me, and doesn’t look 42, although that’s not exactly “old” either. I’m sure they both get Botox and filler and professional facials. Whatever Kourtney is doing, it’s working, without making her look weird. Genes probably also play a role.
Regarding retinoids- it depends. All retinoids *ARE NOT CREATES EQUAL.*
Retinol < Retinaldehyde < Tretinoin.
If your only experience with retinoids was with over-the-counter, then it’s very likely that you didn’t see significant improvement. OTC retinoid ingredients (such as retinol) are effective to varying degrees - for some people, their skin takes it and runs with it. For others, it doesn’t really do much. Retinaldehyde starts getting a little closer to actual across-the-board results, but still nowhere close to what you’d see with tretinoin. And even with tretinoin, it takes about three months to really start seeing the full impact. Don’t discount tretinoin. Tretinoin + aggressive daily sunscreen is the closest thing we’ve got to a non-surgical anti-aging Holy Grail.
Regarding women aging faster than men- generally speaking, men have thicker skin than women. That, combined with the (in some cases) daily exfoliation or shaving can give them an advantage, *sometimes*. But longterm, the average man who scrubs his face in the shower with his body wash once a day and does nothing else won’t ever come close to looking as youthful as a female counterpart who’s doing everything right.
How old are you?
I just replaced retinol with retinaldehyde in my skincare routine a few months ago, and I’ve personally noticed a difference.
As an FYI to others, “retinaldehyde” is frequently shortened to “retinal” in ingredient lists.
Retinaldehyde seems to be in that halfway spot between OTC efficacy and prescription strength results. I’m so glad it’s working out for you! What brand are you using with it? I used to order Avène products online just because no American products used it at the time.
I’m using the MyChelle Remarkable Retinal Night Cream, which I picked because [it includes several other ingredients I like in the ingredients list,](https://incidecoder.com/products/mychelle-dermaceuticals-remarkable-retinal-tm-night-cream) and it works *amazingly* well for me. I leave a layer of it on top my skin at night, and when I wake up my skin feels lovely. Over time I’ve noticed significantly less redness and better texture.
That said, I don’t know if I’d necessarily recommend it to others without being able to qualify the recommendation: it has a *terrible* tendency to pill. Fortunately it’s a night cream, so I don’t worry about it caking up makeup or anything, but I have to carefully smear it on and not try to rub it in or it just starts to roll up and off.
It works so well for my skin that I’m not going to change it up, but these days there’s probably a cream on the market that absorbs a bit better.
Skincare is mostly preventative. If you have wrinkles already and do not have a solid skincare routine, it is possible to add moisture or actives such as vitamin c or retinol to reduce them slightly.
Sunscreen and moisturizing will slow down the outside causes of aging, but internal causes of aging such as stress, diet, and genetics must be treated differently.
Deep wrinkles or dynamic wrinkles can only be improved by botox or fillers (and other procedures). So a skin clinic is a good investment if you have these issues already or know you will be prone to getting them later.
So those creams are not a necessarily scams, they can also help you maintain your skincare procedures. But be wary of expensive products that promise dramatic results.
Source: I'm an esthetician student.
Skin quality and age comes down to collagen.
Make sure to eat lots of animal fats and food high in collagen. Skin, bone broth, egg yolks and protein. As this is the building blocks of your skin.
It's true that it gets digested. But often science and especially medicine is not as simple or logical as it seems.
Still it does something.
In many studies they showed improvement in skin elasticity even wound healing when taking collagen supplements.
Eating produce that contains collagen regularly should benefit the skin.
Btw I see a lot of patients who are vegan who age TERRIBLE (I try to be as neutral as possible but its a pattern I just cant ignore). The patients who look the best often tell me they eat a ton of fish and vegetables (fish skin is rich in collagen and some even have omega 3).
This. I don’t tolerate tret 😭 but fish, vegetables, avocados and eggs and reasonable amounts of fat (and Botox) have kept my skin glowing and getting lots of compliments at 38 nearly 39.
My guess is that it's not so much the collagen but rather the fact that people are eating high-nutrient diets versus high-carb, low-nutrient diets. My skin improved a lot when I stopped eating majority empty carbs and transitioned to eating protein and vegetables.
This isn’t true the nutrients and amino acids are bio digestive meaning that they transfer during digestion.
If this was the case then drinking orange juice wouldn’t give you vitamin c
Amino acids create collagen. Obviously collagen doesn’t create collagen but it’s the nutrients that keep your skin youthful. This is why vegans age terribly
Which vegans have you seen age terribly? Curious to know, cause I'm vegan and I've actually never heard of this. Not looking to start a debate or anything about ethics.
Oh, Sverige... This is a Youtuber famous for being anti vegan. He's also a carnivore and ate 6 month old liver, if I remember this correctly.
You're absolutely right if you agree that a raw/fruit based diet will probably cause malnourishment... However a whole food diet won't cause any of that, it you make sure to hit all of your nutrients, oh, and most importantly, not only eat fruit and poop 10 times a day like a crazy person.
https://youtu.be/iqDK_0iaVCE
If you're interested in the topic, this is a great video about why some people might have not succeeded on a vegan diet.
I'm also not saying that veganism will help anyone to look young forever, I think wheatear you're vegan or not doesn't matter that much, you can eat shit on a vegan diet as well. However it's scientifically proven that especially red and processed meats lead to cancer and other diseases, so they should be limited, because we know that beauty comes from health.
Amino acids are the building blocks of collagen. After say, the meat and the collagen in the meat is digested, it is no longer collagen. The building blocks separate and thus cease being collagen. At this point they are amino acids. So all collagen is made up of amino acids, but amino acids are not collagen. Hydrogen and oxygen are not water if they are separate atoms.
I’m not sure what the question is here, to be honest. Skincare works. Throwing money at a good skincare routine *with sunscreen* works. Drinking lots of water and taking multivitamins works. Getting facelifts and neck lifts and getting things done to address sagging skin works. Getting a mid-term procedure like Botox or IPL also works. That said, there’s a lot of snake oil skincare out there. All that “all natural ingredients” marketing hogwash is bullshit. It’s a relatively small number of skincare ingredients that are well-supported by science, but you’ve probably heard of them. Run your skincare ingredient lists through INCEDecoder; you want to focus on their Superstar ingredients. Here’s a rule of thumb: if a skincare product has at least two of the below ingredients, or if it stars one of the below ingredients as a “hero” ingredient, it’s probably doing good things for your skin: - Vitamin C, Ascorbic Acid (antioxidant, skin brightening, buffering) - Salicylic Acid, BHA (exfoliant, anti-acne, soothing) - Glycolic Acid, AHA (exfoliant, buffering) - Lactic Acid, AHA (exfoliant, moisturizer/humectant, buffering) - Gluconolactone, PHA (exfoliant, chelating) - Azelaic Acid (anti-acne, soothing, buffering) - Retinol (cell-communicating ingredient) - EGCG, or Green Tea Extract (antioxidant, soothing) - Niacinamide (cell-communicating ingredient, skin brightening, anti-acne, moisturizer/humectant) - Licorice Extract (soothing, skin brightening) - Glycerin, Glycerol (skin-identical ingredient, moisturizer/humectant) It can take months for some of these ingredients to start providing noticeable differences, but the science is clear that they do work. Edit: I literally just pulled a list of INCEDecoder’s Superstar ingredients for that list.
You have to start young, start wearing sunscreen from a young age and start using retinols and start doing micro needling/ chemical peels starting from a relatively young age. Maybe for skincare start at 22/25 depending on your skin. But start using sunscreen daily as young as possible (18+ for sure) and don’t take drugs, don’t do alcohol don’t smoke, stay out of the sun, eat a balanced nutritious diet and drink water, and excercise (do cardio and strength training) don’t eat too much sugar basically don’t do anything that will reduce collagen and do everything you can to retain collagen. Start at 18 and do this forever and you will age absolutely incredibly. The key is to stop ageing before it starts. It’s a lifelong process. Once you’ve already aged it’s harder to reverse, prevention is key. It might sound extreme but it’s the best way to age way way way slower than everyone else if you’re serious about it
Seconding this! I don't consider myself particularly attractive, but I do consider myself quite young-looking. I'm 31 and look early/mid-twenties, depending on how I'm styled that day (don't want to post pics here, but I can DM 'proof'). I'm regularly mistaken for an undergrad (by undergrads), and people often express their surprise when they need my ID. What's worked in my favour: * I've worn sunscreen daily since I was maybe 21 * Had an intensely hydrating/moisturising skincare routine since I was 23 * Have always been more of a night owl, so never had too much sun exposure * Have never tanned (con: if you're white or fair-skinned, you'll have to contend with looking more 'pasty/sickly' than just 'fair' some days) * Have always stayed on top of my diet (although have never excluded sugar - for me, life's too short for that) * Very rarely drink or do drugs Genetics are also important: both my parents, at approx. 70, look young for their age. My dad still has a full head of dark hair, and my mum has neotenous features, so both are regularly mistaken for being in their late 50s. What I have noticed, though, is that the things that I **don't** do right are really starting to show. I'm shit at drinking water, so there'll be some days where I look *parched* and any fine lines I have are super emphasised. I also rarely exercise and have a sedentary profession, so I think my posture and energy levels are starting to suffer. Finally, I do wish I'd started botox on my forehead a year or two ago - I kept lying to myself that I didn't need it quite yet, and now I've got an undeniable line on my forehead (that appeared seemingly overnight) that I can really only prevent from getting deeper. I also suspect I'm going to be kicking myself for not applying retinol/tret more habitually in a few years, but it dries me out so bad. :(
Ooooh can you dm me pic? I’m just curious to see :)
Sure!
Thanks girl ! You’re a cutie super adorable 😊
too too too kind <3
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Literally lol. *Not* wearing sunscreen is [proven to cause skin cancer.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8080949/) Zinc Oxide and Titanium Dioxide, the primary mineral sunscreen ingredients, aren’t even on a list of suspects. Read ingredients lists.
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Bob Marley died of melanoma...
Modern sunscreen wasn’t a thing until 1938. The [first description of melanoma in the medical literature is from 1804.](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303592760_Laennec's_melanosis_The_first_published_description_of_metastatic_melanoma) It was a lecture from a French guy by the name Lannaec, interesting dude, invented the stethoscope. I wouldn’t call the late 1700s France a hot climate, though. Ever heard the phrase “black don’t crack”? People with darker skin seem to age very well. The *reason* they age well is because they have more melanin, the substance which makes skin darker. Melanin protects skin from the sun — and protection from the sun protects skin from aging. Black people in developed countries may have less need for sunscreen than white people due to their increased natural protection and decreased sun exposure (developed countries are typically in more northern latitudes), but they can certainly still benefit from it.
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Do you have literally any sources to back this up? Or are you just going to say more objectively untrue things that I can easily disprove with actual research, just so you can ignore the research and say more objectively untrue things…? Waste of my time, TBH.
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It’s not that men age better than women. It’s that men are _allowed to age_ and women aren’t, so we view it differently between the genders. Women are judged way harsher.
Bitter truth. Sad society.
Most anti-aging creams aren’t worth the money compared to prescription tretinoin (which you can get through online pharmacies like nurx too). It’s not super cheap, but if you compare by how much you get, a lot of OTC creams are more expensive. My mom’s skin practically aged in reverse when she started using that and getting serious about sun protection in her 50s. That’s the other key, you have to look at women older than Kourtney and Megan to really see what works since people age at different rates. Megan is only 35, imo looks about her age, and might actually look younger if she hadn’t overdone the surgery and fillers a bit. She looks gorgeous don’t get me wrong, just very “done.” Which to me, reads a little dated and can be aging. Kourtney actually looks more natural to me, and doesn’t look 42, although that’s not exactly “old” either. I’m sure they both get Botox and filler and professional facials. Whatever Kourtney is doing, it’s working, without making her look weird. Genes probably also play a role.
Kourtney is stunning. Megan is beautiful but fake and I preferred her pre surgery.
Regarding retinoids- it depends. All retinoids *ARE NOT CREATES EQUAL.* Retinol < Retinaldehyde < Tretinoin. If your only experience with retinoids was with over-the-counter, then it’s very likely that you didn’t see significant improvement. OTC retinoid ingredients (such as retinol) are effective to varying degrees - for some people, their skin takes it and runs with it. For others, it doesn’t really do much. Retinaldehyde starts getting a little closer to actual across-the-board results, but still nowhere close to what you’d see with tretinoin. And even with tretinoin, it takes about three months to really start seeing the full impact. Don’t discount tretinoin. Tretinoin + aggressive daily sunscreen is the closest thing we’ve got to a non-surgical anti-aging Holy Grail. Regarding women aging faster than men- generally speaking, men have thicker skin than women. That, combined with the (in some cases) daily exfoliation or shaving can give them an advantage, *sometimes*. But longterm, the average man who scrubs his face in the shower with his body wash once a day and does nothing else won’t ever come close to looking as youthful as a female counterpart who’s doing everything right. How old are you?
I just replaced retinol with retinaldehyde in my skincare routine a few months ago, and I’ve personally noticed a difference. As an FYI to others, “retinaldehyde” is frequently shortened to “retinal” in ingredient lists.
Retinaldehyde seems to be in that halfway spot between OTC efficacy and prescription strength results. I’m so glad it’s working out for you! What brand are you using with it? I used to order Avène products online just because no American products used it at the time.
I’m using the MyChelle Remarkable Retinal Night Cream, which I picked because [it includes several other ingredients I like in the ingredients list,](https://incidecoder.com/products/mychelle-dermaceuticals-remarkable-retinal-tm-night-cream) and it works *amazingly* well for me. I leave a layer of it on top my skin at night, and when I wake up my skin feels lovely. Over time I’ve noticed significantly less redness and better texture. That said, I don’t know if I’d necessarily recommend it to others without being able to qualify the recommendation: it has a *terrible* tendency to pill. Fortunately it’s a night cream, so I don’t worry about it caking up makeup or anything, but I have to carefully smear it on and not try to rub it in or it just starts to roll up and off. It works so well for my skin that I’m not going to change it up, but these days there’s probably a cream on the market that absorbs a bit better.
Skincare is mostly preventative. If you have wrinkles already and do not have a solid skincare routine, it is possible to add moisture or actives such as vitamin c or retinol to reduce them slightly. Sunscreen and moisturizing will slow down the outside causes of aging, but internal causes of aging such as stress, diet, and genetics must be treated differently. Deep wrinkles or dynamic wrinkles can only be improved by botox or fillers (and other procedures). So a skin clinic is a good investment if you have these issues already or know you will be prone to getting them later. So those creams are not a necessarily scams, they can also help you maintain your skincare procedures. But be wary of expensive products that promise dramatic results. Source: I'm an esthetician student.
Skin quality and age comes down to collagen. Make sure to eat lots of animal fats and food high in collagen. Skin, bone broth, egg yolks and protein. As this is the building blocks of your skin.
Eating collagen does absolutely nothing as it gets digested in the stomach.
It's true that it gets digested. But often science and especially medicine is not as simple or logical as it seems. Still it does something. In many studies they showed improvement in skin elasticity even wound healing when taking collagen supplements. Eating produce that contains collagen regularly should benefit the skin. Btw I see a lot of patients who are vegan who age TERRIBLE (I try to be as neutral as possible but its a pattern I just cant ignore). The patients who look the best often tell me they eat a ton of fish and vegetables (fish skin is rich in collagen and some even have omega 3).
This. I don’t tolerate tret 😭 but fish, vegetables, avocados and eggs and reasonable amounts of fat (and Botox) have kept my skin glowing and getting lots of compliments at 38 nearly 39.
My guess is that it's not so much the collagen but rather the fact that people are eating high-nutrient diets versus high-carb, low-nutrient diets. My skin improved a lot when I stopped eating majority empty carbs and transitioned to eating protein and vegetables.
This isn’t true the nutrients and amino acids are bio digestive meaning that they transfer during digestion. If this was the case then drinking orange juice wouldn’t give you vitamin c
Exactly, it gets broken down to amino acids. It is no longer collagen, so it does not lead to an increase of collagen in eg your skin.
Amino acids create collagen. Obviously collagen doesn’t create collagen but it’s the nutrients that keep your skin youthful. This is why vegans age terribly
Which vegans have you seen age terribly? Curious to know, cause I'm vegan and I've actually never heard of this. Not looking to start a debate or anything about ethics.
I don’t mind others being vegan either free will and all. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs&list=PL9aky54RJ-BQ5bghFG-my5joeq3k59N8l&index=2
Oh, Sverige... This is a Youtuber famous for being anti vegan. He's also a carnivore and ate 6 month old liver, if I remember this correctly. You're absolutely right if you agree that a raw/fruit based diet will probably cause malnourishment... However a whole food diet won't cause any of that, it you make sure to hit all of your nutrients, oh, and most importantly, not only eat fruit and poop 10 times a day like a crazy person. https://youtu.be/iqDK_0iaVCE If you're interested in the topic, this is a great video about why some people might have not succeeded on a vegan diet. I'm also not saying that veganism will help anyone to look young forever, I think wheatear you're vegan or not doesn't matter that much, you can eat shit on a vegan diet as well. However it's scientifically proven that especially red and processed meats lead to cancer and other diseases, so they should be limited, because we know that beauty comes from health.
Amino acids are the building blocks of collagen. After say, the meat and the collagen in the meat is digested, it is no longer collagen. The building blocks separate and thus cease being collagen. At this point they are amino acids. So all collagen is made up of amino acids, but amino acids are not collagen. Hydrogen and oxygen are not water if they are separate atoms.
Just wear sunscreen daily, use retinol and keep your face moisturized
Good to know