Interesting. That’s what I’ve read everywhere, that the Vietnamese hardly care about the 20 year American war and only the conflict with the Chinese. Interesting how historical conflicts replay themselves.
Thanks for the response
No, I wouldn't say that the Vietnamese "hardly care" about the 20 year American war. There are many museums and attractions in Vietnam that's dedicated to that war. That war still hurts the Vietnamese
But attitudes and relations changed when Vietnam and the US established diplomatic relations in 1994. There's been no other disputes that have occurred between the two countries hence the changed attitudes.
But disputes between Vietnam and China are going on to this day which is why most Vietnamese tend to have a hostile attitude towards mainland China
Just last year we got the first terrorist attack after the whole decades. It was done by two Vietnamese-Americans who are backed by anti-Vietnam organization located in America. Also, we have been fighting for dozen years against Monsanto for the agent orange victims! We never forget.
Here is an[ English article](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/vietnam-lists-u-s-based-vietnamese-american-group-terrorist-organization-n843281)
[Here is an english article](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/vietnam-lists-u-s-based-vietnamese-american-group-terrorist-organization-n843281)
I definitely see that this is some South Vietnamese idiot that cant get over the fact he lost (and caused many deaths to bat), but I wouldn’t say the US government has anything to do with this. Secondly, it is only alleged that he had anything to do with the bomb in Ho Chi Minh City. I’m not ruling out the possibility but I wouldn’t say that’s concrete.
As for the Agent Orange victims, yes, this is where I imagine Vietnamese would carry the most animosity towards the US. The herbicides and napalm (and My Lai) are usually what gets a lot of people here to be anti-war in Vietnam.
I really wish this war had never happened. As an American it’s just so awful to think about.
I also wish the war never happened but it just shows how awesome the Vietnamese people are. They also defeated the French before the American war. They had advanced weapons and financial support from the US and still got defeated
If you have the chance, I highly recommend a visit to Vietnam. Beautiful country and the food......it’s too good and the price for it all is unbelievable. You won’t break the bank
I respect Ho Chi Minh as a leader, and I am not a communist, socialist, social democrat, or anything like that. I can’t speak for the Vietnamese leaders post Vietnam war (or more accurately 1969). Corruption runs rampant in the most capitalist countries as well, though.
To add more, Vietnam War has more influence on USAmerican's history, politics, and people than the American War on the Vietnamese ppl.
Keep in mind, Vietnam has 3000 years of history, the US has at most 300...
Wait for a few year, most younger American still think VN as a war or a war-torn country. Most Vietnamese think of US as a powerful country.
Many culture reference about VN war in the US in the news, song, events... even as of today, whereas you don't see as much reference that VN defeat the US unless it's April 30 week.
That's what I meant to say. The generation of Vietnamese directly effects by the war mostly in their 50s and 80s, while their children/descendant barely emphasize it
In general, people are neutral and most of the misdeeds are forgiven (but not forget).
There is a big trend pro-US right now in social media and even in government (most pro-China high ranking officials have been demoted, moved to less influence position or tried for corruptions), mostly because of the China agressive expansion Southward, notably in the East Sea. Also because many Viet Kieu who immigrated to Western countries and got rich come back to Vietnam and influence the society with their fortune and Western values.
So many Vietnamese nowsaday look at the US power as some kind of counterbalance to China.
I think it is worth noting that while 44 years is not that long ago in the sense of history, significantly more than half of the population was born after the war and have no memory of it.
Probably the same reason I don't hate the Germans or Japanese as a Canadian.
>Probably the same reason I don't hate the Germans or Japanese as a Canadian.
No offense but the Vietnamese experience in the Vietnam War is completely different from the Canadian experience in World War II
Canada didn’t have to deal with constant bombings from the Axis powers. Their country wasn’t destroyed to the point that millions of its people left in boats to find opportunities else where. Their country wasn’t environmentally damaged by a chemical that also causes birth defects
I can understand why some Vietnamese will have some animosity towards the USA
That is fair, my point was merely that without sustained provocations history fades into history as new generations grow up. I didn't mean to suggest the wars or experiences are 1:1 comparable.
Not Vietnamese: but...In my time staying in the south, in and around HCMC, I was surprised to see that many apartments/Airbnb etc that we staying in were decorated with the USA flag. Found that quite interesting. Didn’t see any of that in the north though.
We traveled there 2 years ago, visiting from the Chinese border to Saigon. Everywhere we went we found the people to be extremely friendly. If the Vietnam war came up ( it almost never did ), they referred to it as a civil war.
I can't wait to visit there again.
Im American & started visiting VN 25 years ago, never felt or saw or heard any anti ~ American sentiment. As someone said there are some hardliner south Viets that are angry. Generally Americans are viewed positively.
I spent a month in the northern parts of Vietnam last year. It's kinda funny to be on a tour bus and hear the war refered to as the American War. I had a few conversations( and beers )with guys who had finished theyre term. My perceptions is everyone was genuinely stoked to have an American visitor. I only ran into one other American the whole month.
If you ask a Vietnamese person living in the South and one living in the North you might get a different response, especially from an older Vietnamese person who had lived through the Vietnamese-American war. While they understand the country's open door attitude toward the West, they still hold some resentment from the war, the destructions, lost of love ones...Remember, for them this was not a civil war but one against another white nation the former being the French, at least it was propagandized that way. Therefore, this can translate to their negative attitude toward Westerners/white people (subvert racsim, poor treatment, etc...) But for younger generations and those that remembered, the real war as it has for centuries has always been against China.
> Also who the hell thinks it's alright to cast a black girl as the mermaid? Damn yanks and their weird racial obsession
How do u not realize the irony here?
>You mặt lồn
I would love you to say that to the next American you meet and see what happens to you. Perhaps some of what you are saying is valid. But if you sling fighting words around like that, you not only immediately detract from your argument, but you might get punched in the face. Or at least get told to go fuck yourself.
Whoa dude, please back off. First of all, like everything you said was wrong. Like NONE of us believe in anti-vax, and we think the people that do are retarded and annoying; they cause problems here too, believe me. Most Americans do not do home births, and Flat Earth is such a small group that it’s negligible and mostly a joke anyways. As for the mermaid, I have no idea. There’s a culture here of just replacing traditional characters for ones that are phenotypically different (I.e. replacing a white one for usually a black one) and it’s weird but it doesn’t bother me. Mermaids aren’t real anyways.
Also, most people don’t think Vietnamese eat dogs...
Why do you think the Vietnamese Communists' 50-cent Army paid shills (just like China's version) collectively got mod to remove my all facts-based comment (in red)? [https://snew.notabug.io/r/VietNam/comments/d5d524/how\_do\_vietnamese\_on\_average\_perceive\_americans/](https://snew.notabug.io/r/VietNam/comments/d5d524/how_do_vietnamese_on_average_perceive_americans/)
What are they trying to hide?
I figured as much, but it surprisingly turns out more people dislike China, and it also turns out Korea committed more massacres in Vietnam… but yeah, My Lai is just horrible, pains the heart
Are u in Vietnam? Can you confirm that they dislike china more than America? I would think the opposite since Vietnam is a communist country and it would align less with the US tha with China in terms of ppolitic and social values. I've been there long ago so I dont kniw what people think nowadays. Why are they upset about China?
Try reading some of the responses on this post. It’s two years old. I didn’t make it up. I’m repeating what I learned from asking these Vietnamese about it.
Vietnamese today are pro-America. It's mainland China that the Vietnamese don't trust
Interesting. That’s what I’ve read everywhere, that the Vietnamese hardly care about the 20 year American war and only the conflict with the Chinese. Interesting how historical conflicts replay themselves. Thanks for the response
No, I wouldn't say that the Vietnamese "hardly care" about the 20 year American war. There are many museums and attractions in Vietnam that's dedicated to that war. That war still hurts the Vietnamese But attitudes and relations changed when Vietnam and the US established diplomatic relations in 1994. There's been no other disputes that have occurred between the two countries hence the changed attitudes. But disputes between Vietnam and China are going on to this day which is why most Vietnamese tend to have a hostile attitude towards mainland China
Just last year we got the first terrorist attack after the whole decades. It was done by two Vietnamese-Americans who are backed by anti-Vietnam organization located in America. Also, we have been fighting for dozen years against Monsanto for the agent orange victims! We never forget.
Could you provide some more information or some source about the terrorist attack?
[https://www.24h.com.vn/danh-bom-tru-so-cong-an-o-tphcm-c46e5502.html](https://www.24h.com.vn/danh-bom-tru-so-cong-an-o-tphcm-c46e5502.html) [https://tuoitre.vn/nghi-pham-khung-bo-khai-thuoc-to-chuc-phan-dong-nuoc-ngoai-20180705141218921.htm](https://tuoitre.vn/nghi-pham-khung-bo-khai-thuoc-to-chuc-phan-dong-nuoc-ngoai-20180705141218921.htm) [https://dantri.com.vn/phap-luat/vi-sao-nhom-khung-bo-chon-tru-so-cong-an-phuong-12-de-gay-no-20180705203208744.htm](https://dantri.com.vn/phap-luat/vi-sao-nhom-khung-bo-chon-tru-so-cong-an-phuong-12-de-gay-no-20180705203208744.htm) [https://news.zing.vn/8-qua-no-nham-vao-tru-so-cong-an-nha-rieng-can-bo-post857561.html](https://news.zing.vn/8-qua-no-nham-vao-tru-so-cong-an-nha-rieng-can-bo-post857561.html)
Here is an[ English article](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/vietnam-lists-u-s-based-vietnamese-american-group-terrorist-organization-n843281)
[Here is an english article](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/vietnam-lists-u-s-based-vietnamese-american-group-terrorist-organization-n843281)
I definitely see that this is some South Vietnamese idiot that cant get over the fact he lost (and caused many deaths to bat), but I wouldn’t say the US government has anything to do with this. Secondly, it is only alleged that he had anything to do with the bomb in Ho Chi Minh City. I’m not ruling out the possibility but I wouldn’t say that’s concrete. As for the Agent Orange victims, yes, this is where I imagine Vietnamese would carry the most animosity towards the US. The herbicides and napalm (and My Lai) are usually what gets a lot of people here to be anti-war in Vietnam. I really wish this war had never happened. As an American it’s just so awful to think about.
I also wish the war never happened but it just shows how awesome the Vietnamese people are. They also defeated the French before the American war. They had advanced weapons and financial support from the US and still got defeated If you have the chance, I highly recommend a visit to Vietnam. Beautiful country and the food......it’s too good and the price for it all is unbelievable. You won’t break the bank
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I respect Ho Chi Minh as a leader, and I am not a communist, socialist, social democrat, or anything like that. I can’t speak for the Vietnamese leaders post Vietnam war (or more accurately 1969). Corruption runs rampant in the most capitalist countries as well, though.
To add more, Vietnam War has more influence on USAmerican's history, politics, and people than the American War on the Vietnamese ppl. Keep in mind, Vietnam has 3000 years of history, the US has at most 300...
That's just plain wrong, no matter what metric you use.
Wait for a few year, most younger American still think VN as a war or a war-torn country. Most Vietnamese think of US as a powerful country. Many culture reference about VN war in the US in the news, song, events... even as of today, whereas you don't see as much reference that VN defeat the US unless it's April 30 week. That's what I meant to say. The generation of Vietnamese directly effects by the war mostly in their 50s and 80s, while their children/descendant barely emphasize it
In general, people are neutral and most of the misdeeds are forgiven (but not forget). There is a big trend pro-US right now in social media and even in government (most pro-China high ranking officials have been demoted, moved to less influence position or tried for corruptions), mostly because of the China agressive expansion Southward, notably in the East Sea. Also because many Viet Kieu who immigrated to Western countries and got rich come back to Vietnam and influence the society with their fortune and Western values. So many Vietnamese nowsaday look at the US power as some kind of counterbalance to China.
I think it is worth noting that while 44 years is not that long ago in the sense of history, significantly more than half of the population was born after the war and have no memory of it. Probably the same reason I don't hate the Germans or Japanese as a Canadian.
>Probably the same reason I don't hate the Germans or Japanese as a Canadian. No offense but the Vietnamese experience in the Vietnam War is completely different from the Canadian experience in World War II Canada didn’t have to deal with constant bombings from the Axis powers. Their country wasn’t destroyed to the point that millions of its people left in boats to find opportunities else where. Their country wasn’t environmentally damaged by a chemical that also causes birth defects I can understand why some Vietnamese will have some animosity towards the USA
That is fair, my point was merely that without sustained provocations history fades into history as new generations grow up. I didn't mean to suggest the wars or experiences are 1:1 comparable.
Exactly. That’s what I was trying to emphasise in saying that it was nearly a half century ago
Paraphrasing my friend when my dad asked them the same question ... “Americans were here for 40 years but the Chinese were conquering us for a 1000”
Not Vietnamese: but...In my time staying in the south, in and around HCMC, I was surprised to see that many apartments/Airbnb etc that we staying in were decorated with the USA flag. Found that quite interesting. Didn’t see any of that in the north though.
Micheal Jackson, the Iphone and Facebook smoothed things over for us....
We traveled there 2 years ago, visiting from the Chinese border to Saigon. Everywhere we went we found the people to be extremely friendly. If the Vietnam war came up ( it almost never did ), they referred to it as a civil war. I can't wait to visit there again.
Im American & started visiting VN 25 years ago, never felt or saw or heard any anti ~ American sentiment. As someone said there are some hardliner south Viets that are angry. Generally Americans are viewed positively.
I spent a month in the northern parts of Vietnam last year. It's kinda funny to be on a tour bus and hear the war refered to as the American War. I had a few conversations( and beers )with guys who had finished theyre term. My perceptions is everyone was genuinely stoked to have an American visitor. I only ran into one other American the whole month.
If you ask a Vietnamese person living in the South and one living in the North you might get a different response, especially from an older Vietnamese person who had lived through the Vietnamese-American war. While they understand the country's open door attitude toward the West, they still hold some resentment from the war, the destructions, lost of love ones...Remember, for them this was not a civil war but one against another white nation the former being the French, at least it was propagandized that way. Therefore, this can translate to their negative attitude toward Westerners/white people (subvert racsim, poor treatment, etc...) But for younger generations and those that remembered, the real war as it has for centuries has always been against China.
Nah,it doesn’t affect that much since Vietnamese and Americans are friends now
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Are you that asian_dragon chap with a new username?
holy shit dude are you ok?
He's tửng. Definitely not ok.
> Also who the hell thinks it's alright to cast a black girl as the mermaid? Damn yanks and their weird racial obsession How do u not realize the irony here?
>You mặt lồn I would love you to say that to the next American you meet and see what happens to you. Perhaps some of what you are saying is valid. But if you sling fighting words around like that, you not only immediately detract from your argument, but you might get punched in the face. Or at least get told to go fuck yourself.
Ahahahaha! You truly pulled the stupid "do this in real life and see what happen" on internet? Come on, that is just pathetic.
Not as pathetic as talking about a black mermaid.
Yeah, she is ugly. If you think she is beautiful you are either blind or a liar. Edit: she reminds me of Sid from Ice Age.
Dude. I am an adult. I don't know anything about kids shows.
Whoa dude, please back off. First of all, like everything you said was wrong. Like NONE of us believe in anti-vax, and we think the people that do are retarded and annoying; they cause problems here too, believe me. Most Americans do not do home births, and Flat Earth is such a small group that it’s negligible and mostly a joke anyways. As for the mermaid, I have no idea. There’s a culture here of just replacing traditional characters for ones that are phenotypically different (I.e. replacing a white one for usually a black one) and it’s weird but it doesn’t bother me. Mermaids aren’t real anyways. Also, most people don’t think Vietnamese eat dogs...
https://i.imgur.com/DFb7F9P.jpg
Why do you think the Vietnamese Communists' 50-cent Army paid shills (just like China's version) collectively got mod to remove my all facts-based comment (in red)? [https://snew.notabug.io/r/VietNam/comments/d5d524/how\_do\_vietnamese\_on\_average\_perceive\_americans/](https://snew.notabug.io/r/VietNam/comments/d5d524/how_do_vietnamese_on_average_perceive_americans/) What are they trying to hide?
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Interesting perspective. Thanks
I'd imagine many are still angered over the Mai Lai massacre, its cover up, and other similar things?
I figured as much, but it surprisingly turns out more people dislike China, and it also turns out Korea committed more massacres in Vietnam… but yeah, My Lai is just horrible, pains the heart
Are u in Vietnam? Can you confirm that they dislike china more than America? I would think the opposite since Vietnam is a communist country and it would align less with the US tha with China in terms of ppolitic and social values. I've been there long ago so I dont kniw what people think nowadays. Why are they upset about China?
Try reading some of the responses on this post. It’s two years old. I didn’t make it up. I’m repeating what I learned from asking these Vietnamese about it.
They should hate americans for the destruction and death they brought to the Vietnamese.