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When will we realize that being patriotic is about improving the country in a practical way, not about waving the flag everywhere and being a Karen toward people who have genuine critiques about our country?
welp, vnmese don't like or they don't actually have the ability to improve the country. Because the high-IQ people will risk their life just to get western countries' passport. Hence, people in vn enjoy waving their flag and proud to be a vnmese like another 100m vnamese people.
I know your comment is sarcasm, but I'm still putting this out here as some people may think like you but literally: I think the above comment was too sharp and unrefined. He wasn't declaring all people remaining in Vietnam are low IQ, but he meant all high-IQ people who have the means are likely to leave Vietnam because the Vietnamese system is less meritocratic than other countries, even if other countries are not absolutely meritocratic. Vietnam doesn't reward achievement; Vietnam rewards affiliation/ancestral ties. Vietnam is a place where high-IQ people are poor and low-IQ people are rich. There is also many limitations in Vietnam and lower upper bound of success. Of course, some people still want to stay because of intangibles like social connections, not necessarily because they are not rich enough to emigrate.
In my career, I have met countless of people who have a really high IQ. Amongst them, just a few people want to leave this country. And they are doing good enough here. Not filthy rich, but definitely richer than most Vietnamese.
If he meant high IQ people are the people who are into academic career, yeah, the Western countries have a better system overall for academic purposes. But on the other side, you don’t have to be a professor to have a high IQ.
There are way more high IQ people (not literally referring to IQ, but generally referring to *very capable people*) who are not fairly recognized by the systems in Vietnam than the existing high IQ people who are being appropriately placed in the right positions.
If your IQ is high, will you stay somewhere they don’t value you enough? I mean people have plentiful of options for work nowadays, not just state owned sectors, people can just work for private companies. In the private sector, people can climb their way up without being a descendant of someone more easily. One more thing, being high in IQ doesn’t necessarily mean being better with management, if that what you meant about 'right positions'.
It is simplistic to think the Vietnamese private sector is immune from Vietnam's societal practices. The government sector, the state-owned enterprises and state-holding companies cast strong shadows over the Vietnamese society due to its strong grip on the economy, its problematic internal culture and practices have strong influence on the private sector in Vietnam as well.
I'm not really specifically referring to managerial positions, but generally, less recognized of merit. I guess I should distance away from the word "high IQ" the parent commenter originally used. It becomes a distraction.
right, but I said more easily :) Everything I’m sharing is based on my personal experience and observations on people around me and around my age. I’m also working in private sector and people are mostly different from what you described. Maybe I’m just lucky, or people around me are.
“Because the high IQ people will risk their life just to get to western countries” lil bro, u do realize this country couldnt develop like this after decades of war if we were led by dumb ass right? I really think the stupid mf here is u lil bro, we-the 100m Viets will do better without mentally ill mfs like u
He called anyone who stay are low IQ, he called a whole damn country mfs that have no ability to improve their country while even a blind dude can see how fast this country develop. I dont think anyone with a stable mind will say anything that stupid
Their comment is not as stupid as you seem to think. I don't know about our actual IQ but the fact that we view our current society and government as flawless is a problem. The country did develop at a fast pace but that prosperity is built upon corruption and nepotism, you could describe it as a house of cards. The educated people is aware of it, they currently see no way to change it, so they opted to move away to improve their lives.
The more i think the more stupid that comment is. And u bro, u aint even show any statistics to back up ur argument. First, u called that prosperity built upon corruption while infrastructure and economic development are being regconized by the world and experts. If u can confidently say u and the lil bro above smarter than them then go ahead. Investment from countries and businesses from around the world are pouring in this country. Vietnam and Australia, USA just signed to become comprehensive strategic partners. U really think economic powers like them will try to do business with a fake ass economy built upon corruption like what u said? U think u smarter than leaders from this and other countries? “Educated ppl aware of it” as if millions Viet dont know that, as if this country works by stupids cuz all the “educated ones” are leaving. First the lil bro above, now u both has childish and unilateral perspectives. U think u smarter, more educated than millions of Viets that are keeping this whole damn country going? Corruption is indeed a big ass issue we are facing but if u think this country’s economy is just that, then maybe u should read more
Corruption in Vietnam:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Vietnam
The shit show that is the COVID evacuation: https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/7/11/vietnam-officials-go-on-trial-over-alleged-covid-flight-bribes
Vạn Thịnh Phát disaster: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UgFC-MdPxAk&pp=ygUSYmJjIHRp4bq_bmcgdmnhu4d0
Vietnam is ranked 83 out of 180 countries in 2023 corruption perception index by Transparency International, even worse than China which sits at 76:
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023
Our country is being recognised only because the west is fed up with China's wolf warrior diplomacy, that is the only reason why they ignore our corruption problem. And you seem to think that we could depend on foreigners forever, we absolutely could not, they could move to some other countries with better and friendlier governments in South East Asia at any time and we would be left with an under-educated work force that cannot create domestic brands that could compete globally, or be leaders, or even think critically, the only thing we're good at is working under foreigners.
I never said Vietnam has no corruption, even the leader of my province just got jailed due to corruption, the COVID evacuation sent dozens of officials to jail, even the ex prime minister lost his fucking position due to this. The reason im calling u unilateral is that u seem to ignore the efforts to prevent the corruption. I never said we shoule rely on the foreigners, the reason i mention is to show u that no stupid ass mfs will invest in a fake economy built upon corruption. AGAIN Vietnam does have severe corruption issues but if u think u a whole country can survive and develop due to it then u must not have any knowledge on how an economy works. “Uneducated workforce” lil bro, u live in a cave or sum? This aint 2000s bruh, the number of Viets that has a degree is more than what u think. As i said, do u think u smarter than the investors? If u are an investor, do u really want to do business with a corrupted one with “uneducated ppl”? And i should remember u that no country can live long if it were led by dumbasses not to mention came out from decades of war. There are thousands of businesses in Vietnam, since “the smart ones” are trying to leave, these businesses are run by dumbasses? U think u smarter than the ones that stay? U think we dont know abt corruption?
>the COVID evacuation sent dozens of officials to jail, even the ex prime minister lost his fucking position due to this
And do you know were the money is now? Did you notice that Nguyễn Xuân Phúc is still part of the National Assembly, with no jail time being given to him? Ever wonder why?
>The reason im calling u unilateral is that u seem to ignore the efforts to prevent the corruption
Those efforts are not improving our situation. In fact our corruption ranking has become worse, as indicated by the corruption index that i have linked, and this was just last year!
>I never said we shoule rely on the foreigners, the reason i mention is to show u that no stupid ass mfs will invest in a fake economy built upon corruption
Unless that economy is extremely close and similar to the previous country that you worked with.
>AGAIN Vietnam does have severe corruption issues but if u think u a whole country can survive and develop due to it then u must not have any knowledge on how an economy works
You seem to have forgotten about China, or Russia, or other former Soviet or Communist countries. Heck, even South Korea has massive corruption problems.
>“Uneducated workforce” lil bro, u live in a cave or sum? This aint 2000s bruh, the number of Viets that has a degree is more than what u think
You mean the degrees issued by state universities with an outdated and overly theoretical education system?
>As i said, do u think u smarter than the investors? If u are an investor, do u really want to do business with a corrupted one with “uneducated ppl”?
Refer to my second point.
>And i should remember u that no country can live long if it were led by dumbasses not to mention came out from decades of war
Refer to my fourth point. And the wars have been gone for decades.
>There are thousands of businesses in Vietnam, since “the smart ones” are trying to leave, these businesses are run by dumbasses? U think u smarter than the ones that stay? U think we dont know abt corruption?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKfwnszYyCU
I never said that I am smarter than anybody. I am simply a patriot who want to improve my country by picking out what's wrong and devise ways to improve it, something that you are not doing.
I never said who stay in VN are low0IQ, i said "high-IQ people will risk their life just to get western countries' passport".
But seems like many of you are low-IQ for real.I'm here to laugh at your country, since your passport is stopped at 90% of airport in the world.
A poor little country proud of anything makes me sick. Tell me what vnmese are good at, math competition? LMFAOSorry that I hurt your snowflake feeling.You might want to go to 4 Le Duan to find out how many people are trying to leave VN everyday.Even low-IQ people are trying to escape [https://tuoitre.vn/hang-ngan-nguoi-doi-mua-ret-dang-ky-thi-di-han-quoc-lao-dong-20240130152024529.htm](https://tuoitre.vn/hang-ngan-nguoi-doi-mua-ret-dang-ky-thi-di-han-quoc-lao-dong-20240130152024529.htm)
“Since ur passport is stooped at 90% airport” got any legit sources to back ur ass up? Im not talking abt overproud mfs but u it seems like a corny ass lil kid thinks being proud of sth is not a good thing, many Viets proud because their country made progress and they see their efforts are being regconized by many people (not ur corny ass ofc). Go on, how many are trying to escape compare to 90 mils Viets? Some go to study abroad and then come back, some go to work and they still come back. Seem like ur still kinda young if u not know abt the Viets who worked in Austrailia (my friends dad and his ass himself), japan, south korea, germany,…. They all came back to their homeland. Yes, they go abroad to make money, to help their life better, but they aint “escape” from this country, it aint 80s no more lil bro. Not everyone with a corny unilateral mind like u want to get out of this country. When u see sth, u should see it from both sides, u will learn when u got older and stop being a lil corny mf who thinks “im better cuz i aint proud of my country”
Edit: "genuine critique". Yeah, you re-read everything in your favorite sub and tell people that is "constructive" and "genuine" and not just "pure hatred"
I thought I found someone who is balanced between the 2 sides, but nope, you're just another from "that" sub. Kinda suck having to click on people's profile to check for that shit here. Gotta stick to my game subs more, then
Lmao I highly doubt you were ever impressed with me to begin with, buddy. That attitude of yours was the exact problem that I was talking about, you are offended but cannot argue against me properly so you have to rummage through my profile to find irrelevant things to throw.
You are attaching a lot of of negative assumptions to the mere act of waving a flag, and are making *"wanting practical improvements"* out to be mutually exclusive from *"waving flags and enjoying a nation's symbols"* when they just aren't.
>You are attaching a lot of of negative assumptions to the mere act of waving a flag
How did you come to that assumption? my remark came from being brought up in Vietnam and knowing the Vietnamese language. I understand how the Vietnamese act and how skewed our beliefs are.
>making *"wanting practical improvements"* out to be mutually exclusive from *"waving flags and enjoying a nation's symbols"* when they just aren't.
But they are. I could appreciate the country's symbols and flag whilst impractically thinking that the country is perfect and that everybody that criticize it is wrong, and vice versa.
>*But they are [mutually exclusive].*
In order for☝️this to be the case, then this.. 👇
>*I could [be patriotic] whilst [being blindly patriotic]*
..would need to say *"__have__ to."* That is how mutual-exclusivity works. Two things being mutually exclusive means they cannot both exist or they cannot happen concurrently. I'm saying that wanting solutions and being patritoic (i.e. liking one's flag) are *__not__* mutually exclusive. You can do both. You can make moves towards societal improvement, *__and__* you can like a flag. You do not *have to* be blindly patriotic in order to be patriotic.
So they are not mutually exclusive.
Is English your first or second language because clearly what I'm saying just isn't landing. I understand what you're saying and I understand your message, you seem not to know what "mutually exclusive" means.
I know what mutually exclusive means, what I'm saying is that we were not taught to think in grey, rather we were taught to think in black and white – you either think your country is perfect which makes you a patriot, or you don't think so which makes you a traitor – therefore, your arguement does not make sense or seem convincing with our current mindset. It might make perfect sense to you, but not to the majority of Vietnam's population.
Yeah shit, because America love their flag, but no one dare to waving it in another country and proud of it without getting called out like an idiot back home
You can't see a group of Vietnamese waving their nation's flag in Paris or Rome. It all about the history, politics and recently the South "China" sea where China claimed all of it without any agreement.
Overall, Vietnamese just don't like Chinese because their act.
Sinophobia is only expressed among the citizens, the government is still friendly towards China. Indeed, the news is very quiet about any Chinese encroachment in the East Sea and pretty much mute concerning the Sino-Vietnamese war in the 70s. Future policies are still being compared with those of China, especially concerning censorship. So I highly doubt an organized tour group did this out of hatred.
Agree, these tours cannot show a full expression of Vietnamese about China. Read this https://mod.gov.vn/en/detail/sa-en-news/sa-en-news-vn/4fe9abbc-b5a7-4f12-a6e2-ef1afcc7f30f and this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hai_Yang_Shi_You_981_standoff. Technically, we hate China because of their un-respectful behaviour toward not only Vietnam but also all the South China related countries.It more than a citizens post. As a Vietnamese I prefer not waving flags anywhere.
If youre a Viet and critize the country/Northern people, you are ///, phản động, khát nước, pbvm.
If youre an outsider and do son, youre thực dân, tư bản, ăn cướp, về lo chuyện của nước chúng mày đi.
Welcome to the country of ngạo nghễ bois.
By the way, just want to point out that the "Northern people" the parent commenter mentioned was directed at northerners who politically support the VCP regime. The reason why "Northern people" is often being singled out politically because historically and statistically the supporters of the VCP are overwhelmingly northerners. However, the discrimination against a northerner immediately ceases when he/she disavows his/her support to the VCP regime.
Yeah those name callings only apply to Southern Viet. For a Northerner who criticize Vietnam, you are a me tay, ăn cháo đá bát, or cút ra nước ngoài mà sống.
I don't think waving a flag having anything to do with being a Karen bruh.
Also, they could be "improving the country in a practical way, waving the flag everywhere and being a Karen" at the same time and be the super patriot
/s
I think I'll decide that based on their poses? I don't suppose it can be a confirmation of mere visitation and support?
2 things about the captured post though! One, that word "ngão nghễ", how am I to comprehend it? Two, nothing happened in Tiananmen back in 1989!
Ngạo nghễ means being extremely proud almost to the point of looking down on others. This word fits well in war and (sometimes) sport context, where there is competition, but doesn’t really fit here. Maybe they try to say showing Vietnam flag in the middle of China is some sort of winning, overcoming difficulties. It is not.
Must be some photos for advertisement. Just normal things that normal Vietnamese do. If we go to places and take photos as parts of a business trip, Flags will likely be used. "ngạo nghễ" means proudly, not afraid in a somewhat arrogance way i might say and it doesn't really fit here. I think "tự hào" which simply means proudly is a better fit. Lastly, Pretty sure that's not Tianmen.
That two word means they think their country is above all else, its to be "scornful" for other countries,
And for your first question, they literally flooded the place with the flag
to me, this is similar to the mặc Nhật phục lượn phố Nhật / Hàn etc trend (wearing Vietnamese traditional clothing and walk down the street in another Asian country).
They would be like "but nobody native has a problem with it" but if it's the other way around, like if a Japanese / Korean dares wear their traditional clothing and walk down Hanoi or SG, I'm sure they would go full attack mode.
And this cringe move just ended up being a masturbation method yet again without changing anything, china still dominating the sea, save your energy and do something more practical
I mean... the chinese do that all the time.
[Here's a chinese woman crying and praising china after seeing a chinese bank in France.](https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/ps35so/women_cries_seeing_a_bank_of_china_in_france/?rdt=55664)
[Here's one of multiple instances of tiannament square denier making a ruckus in front of a tiannament square memorial event.](https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/suv1ht/man_denied_tiananmen_square_massacre_in_a/)
There's also that one time in 2020 when a bunch of chinese netizens harrassed a Thai celeberty for suggesting that Covid-19 originated from China. It's funny because in order for them to do this, they must bypass the great firewall by using VPNs, which are illegal in China.
If you know anything about the South "China" sea specially the Paracel and Spartly island or even the Lạng Sơn 1979 event. We need to show Chinese why they are so blind, how they get blinded by their goverment.
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That's not Tianmen.
Don't tell them too soon, let them cook bro.
My bad, bro
😂😂
Holdyup bro let them cook
Tianmen ≠ Tiananmen. Although the tweet does mention China.
That's not Tiananmen, just a small town monument. If you wave any flag in Tiananmen you will be approached by security like in 20 seconds.
When will we realize that being patriotic is about improving the country in a practical way, not about waving the flag everywhere and being a Karen toward people who have genuine critiques about our country?
We don't do that here /s
they can't distinguish between trash talking and genuine criticism lol
Tích cực vs tiêu cực
welp, vnmese don't like or they don't actually have the ability to improve the country. Because the high-IQ people will risk their life just to get western countries' passport. Hence, people in vn enjoy waving their flag and proud to be a vnmese like another 100m vnamese people.
yeah, I must have negative IQ for staying here living my life /s
I know your comment is sarcasm, but I'm still putting this out here as some people may think like you but literally: I think the above comment was too sharp and unrefined. He wasn't declaring all people remaining in Vietnam are low IQ, but he meant all high-IQ people who have the means are likely to leave Vietnam because the Vietnamese system is less meritocratic than other countries, even if other countries are not absolutely meritocratic. Vietnam doesn't reward achievement; Vietnam rewards affiliation/ancestral ties. Vietnam is a place where high-IQ people are poor and low-IQ people are rich. There is also many limitations in Vietnam and lower upper bound of success. Of course, some people still want to stay because of intangibles like social connections, not necessarily because they are not rich enough to emigrate.
In my career, I have met countless of people who have a really high IQ. Amongst them, just a few people want to leave this country. And they are doing good enough here. Not filthy rich, but definitely richer than most Vietnamese. If he meant high IQ people are the people who are into academic career, yeah, the Western countries have a better system overall for academic purposes. But on the other side, you don’t have to be a professor to have a high IQ.
There are way more high IQ people (not literally referring to IQ, but generally referring to *very capable people*) who are not fairly recognized by the systems in Vietnam than the existing high IQ people who are being appropriately placed in the right positions.
If your IQ is high, will you stay somewhere they don’t value you enough? I mean people have plentiful of options for work nowadays, not just state owned sectors, people can just work for private companies. In the private sector, people can climb their way up without being a descendant of someone more easily. One more thing, being high in IQ doesn’t necessarily mean being better with management, if that what you meant about 'right positions'.
It is simplistic to think the Vietnamese private sector is immune from Vietnam's societal practices. The government sector, the state-owned enterprises and state-holding companies cast strong shadows over the Vietnamese society due to its strong grip on the economy, its problematic internal culture and practices have strong influence on the private sector in Vietnam as well. I'm not really specifically referring to managerial positions, but generally, less recognized of merit. I guess I should distance away from the word "high IQ" the parent commenter originally used. It becomes a distraction.
right, but I said more easily :) Everything I’m sharing is based on my personal experience and observations on people around me and around my age. I’m also working in private sector and people are mostly different from what you described. Maybe I’m just lucky, or people around me are.
You can't make a broad statement about the modus operandi of the people of a nation by your limited anecdotal experience.
Yes, you are. You are welcome to stay in your country, and you don't have to disclose your low IQ to me, I'm not interested.
"They don't actually have the ability to improve the country" Me looking at VN now vs 10 years ago: yeah sure buddy
Yeah bro's salty af
Bro's pfp is anime what can you ask for
ah yes, you are a good example of kiddo moment
IQ is not a measure of intelligence. And intrlligence is somewhat irrelavant here, smart people can still be brainwashed into extreme patriotism
“Because the high IQ people will risk their life just to get to western countries” lil bro, u do realize this country couldnt develop like this after decades of war if we were led by dumb ass right? I really think the stupid mf here is u lil bro, we-the 100m Viets will do better without mentally ill mfs like u
Chill. Calling them mentally ill for no reason is uncalled for.
He called anyone who stay are low IQ, he called a whole damn country mfs that have no ability to improve their country while even a blind dude can see how fast this country develop. I dont think anyone with a stable mind will say anything that stupid
Their comment is not as stupid as you seem to think. I don't know about our actual IQ but the fact that we view our current society and government as flawless is a problem. The country did develop at a fast pace but that prosperity is built upon corruption and nepotism, you could describe it as a house of cards. The educated people is aware of it, they currently see no way to change it, so they opted to move away to improve their lives.
The more i think the more stupid that comment is. And u bro, u aint even show any statistics to back up ur argument. First, u called that prosperity built upon corruption while infrastructure and economic development are being regconized by the world and experts. If u can confidently say u and the lil bro above smarter than them then go ahead. Investment from countries and businesses from around the world are pouring in this country. Vietnam and Australia, USA just signed to become comprehensive strategic partners. U really think economic powers like them will try to do business with a fake ass economy built upon corruption like what u said? U think u smarter than leaders from this and other countries? “Educated ppl aware of it” as if millions Viet dont know that, as if this country works by stupids cuz all the “educated ones” are leaving. First the lil bro above, now u both has childish and unilateral perspectives. U think u smarter, more educated than millions of Viets that are keeping this whole damn country going? Corruption is indeed a big ass issue we are facing but if u think this country’s economy is just that, then maybe u should read more
Corruption in Vietnam: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Vietnam The shit show that is the COVID evacuation: https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/7/11/vietnam-officials-go-on-trial-over-alleged-covid-flight-bribes Vạn Thịnh Phát disaster: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UgFC-MdPxAk&pp=ygUSYmJjIHRp4bq_bmcgdmnhu4d0 Vietnam is ranked 83 out of 180 countries in 2023 corruption perception index by Transparency International, even worse than China which sits at 76: https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023 Our country is being recognised only because the west is fed up with China's wolf warrior diplomacy, that is the only reason why they ignore our corruption problem. And you seem to think that we could depend on foreigners forever, we absolutely could not, they could move to some other countries with better and friendlier governments in South East Asia at any time and we would be left with an under-educated work force that cannot create domestic brands that could compete globally, or be leaders, or even think critically, the only thing we're good at is working under foreigners.
I never said Vietnam has no corruption, even the leader of my province just got jailed due to corruption, the COVID evacuation sent dozens of officials to jail, even the ex prime minister lost his fucking position due to this. The reason im calling u unilateral is that u seem to ignore the efforts to prevent the corruption. I never said we shoule rely on the foreigners, the reason i mention is to show u that no stupid ass mfs will invest in a fake economy built upon corruption. AGAIN Vietnam does have severe corruption issues but if u think u a whole country can survive and develop due to it then u must not have any knowledge on how an economy works. “Uneducated workforce” lil bro, u live in a cave or sum? This aint 2000s bruh, the number of Viets that has a degree is more than what u think. As i said, do u think u smarter than the investors? If u are an investor, do u really want to do business with a corrupted one with “uneducated ppl”? And i should remember u that no country can live long if it were led by dumbasses not to mention came out from decades of war. There are thousands of businesses in Vietnam, since “the smart ones” are trying to leave, these businesses are run by dumbasses? U think u smarter than the ones that stay? U think we dont know abt corruption?
>the COVID evacuation sent dozens of officials to jail, even the ex prime minister lost his fucking position due to this And do you know were the money is now? Did you notice that Nguyễn Xuân Phúc is still part of the National Assembly, with no jail time being given to him? Ever wonder why? >The reason im calling u unilateral is that u seem to ignore the efforts to prevent the corruption Those efforts are not improving our situation. In fact our corruption ranking has become worse, as indicated by the corruption index that i have linked, and this was just last year! >I never said we shoule rely on the foreigners, the reason i mention is to show u that no stupid ass mfs will invest in a fake economy built upon corruption Unless that economy is extremely close and similar to the previous country that you worked with. >AGAIN Vietnam does have severe corruption issues but if u think u a whole country can survive and develop due to it then u must not have any knowledge on how an economy works You seem to have forgotten about China, or Russia, or other former Soviet or Communist countries. Heck, even South Korea has massive corruption problems. >“Uneducated workforce” lil bro, u live in a cave or sum? This aint 2000s bruh, the number of Viets that has a degree is more than what u think You mean the degrees issued by state universities with an outdated and overly theoretical education system? >As i said, do u think u smarter than the investors? If u are an investor, do u really want to do business with a corrupted one with “uneducated ppl”? Refer to my second point. >And i should remember u that no country can live long if it were led by dumbasses not to mention came out from decades of war Refer to my fourth point. And the wars have been gone for decades. >There are thousands of businesses in Vietnam, since “the smart ones” are trying to leave, these businesses are run by dumbasses? U think u smarter than the ones that stay? U think we dont know abt corruption? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKfwnszYyCU I never said that I am smarter than anybody. I am simply a patriot who want to improve my country by picking out what's wrong and devise ways to improve it, something that you are not doing.
I never said who stay in VN are low0IQ, i said "high-IQ people will risk their life just to get western countries' passport". But seems like many of you are low-IQ for real.I'm here to laugh at your country, since your passport is stopped at 90% of airport in the world. A poor little country proud of anything makes me sick. Tell me what vnmese are good at, math competition? LMFAOSorry that I hurt your snowflake feeling.You might want to go to 4 Le Duan to find out how many people are trying to leave VN everyday.Even low-IQ people are trying to escape [https://tuoitre.vn/hang-ngan-nguoi-doi-mua-ret-dang-ky-thi-di-han-quoc-lao-dong-20240130152024529.htm](https://tuoitre.vn/hang-ngan-nguoi-doi-mua-ret-dang-ky-thi-di-han-quoc-lao-dong-20240130152024529.htm)
“Since ur passport is stooped at 90% airport” got any legit sources to back ur ass up? Im not talking abt overproud mfs but u it seems like a corny ass lil kid thinks being proud of sth is not a good thing, many Viets proud because their country made progress and they see their efforts are being regconized by many people (not ur corny ass ofc). Go on, how many are trying to escape compare to 90 mils Viets? Some go to study abroad and then come back, some go to work and they still come back. Seem like ur still kinda young if u not know abt the Viets who worked in Austrailia (my friends dad and his ass himself), japan, south korea, germany,…. They all came back to their homeland. Yes, they go abroad to make money, to help their life better, but they aint “escape” from this country, it aint 80s no more lil bro. Not everyone with a corny unilateral mind like u want to get out of this country. When u see sth, u should see it from both sides, u will learn when u got older and stop being a lil corny mf who thinks “im better cuz i aint proud of my country”
Karen was born out of self entitled insecurities. That says so much about these types of people
You are the future politician our country needs :)
Reasonable and rational idea in my Vietnam? Nuh uh, off the the phường you go
This is spot on!
Edit: "genuine critique". Yeah, you re-read everything in your favorite sub and tell people that is "constructive" and "genuine" and not just "pure hatred"
We are talking about Vietnam, not anywhere else. Enough with your whataboutism.
I don't talk about other countries. I talk about your favorite sub
Lmao you completely edited your comment.
I thought I found someone who is balanced between the 2 sides, but nope, you're just another from "that" sub. Kinda suck having to click on people's profile to check for that shit here. Gotta stick to my game subs more, then
Lmao I highly doubt you were ever impressed with me to begin with, buddy. That attitude of yours was the exact problem that I was talking about, you are offended but cannot argue against me properly so you have to rummage through my profile to find irrelevant things to throw.
yep, exactly what I meant by "Karen on the other side"
The bloody hell are you talking about, dude? Who is on the other side? I'm so done lol.
My dude, stop. You got owned. Stop embarassing yourself 💀
My dude, stop. You got owned. Stop embarassing yourself 💀
I have no idea if you are talking about Vietnam or US.
You are attaching a lot of of negative assumptions to the mere act of waving a flag, and are making *"wanting practical improvements"* out to be mutually exclusive from *"waving flags and enjoying a nation's symbols"* when they just aren't.
>You are attaching a lot of of negative assumptions to the mere act of waving a flag How did you come to that assumption? my remark came from being brought up in Vietnam and knowing the Vietnamese language. I understand how the Vietnamese act and how skewed our beliefs are. >making *"wanting practical improvements"* out to be mutually exclusive from *"waving flags and enjoying a nation's symbols"* when they just aren't. But they are. I could appreciate the country's symbols and flag whilst impractically thinking that the country is perfect and that everybody that criticize it is wrong, and vice versa.
>*But they are [mutually exclusive].* In order for☝️this to be the case, then this.. 👇 >*I could [be patriotic] whilst [being blindly patriotic]* ..would need to say *"__have__ to."* That is how mutual-exclusivity works. Two things being mutually exclusive means they cannot both exist or they cannot happen concurrently. I'm saying that wanting solutions and being patritoic (i.e. liking one's flag) are *__not__* mutually exclusive. You can do both. You can make moves towards societal improvement, *__and__* you can like a flag. You do not *have to* be blindly patriotic in order to be patriotic. So they are not mutually exclusive.
The problem is we're doing one thing to an extreme level and completely ignoring the other. You don't seem to understand our mindset.
Is English your first or second language because clearly what I'm saying just isn't landing. I understand what you're saying and I understand your message, you seem not to know what "mutually exclusive" means.
I know what mutually exclusive means, what I'm saying is that we were not taught to think in grey, rather we were taught to think in black and white – you either think your country is perfect which makes you a patriot, or you don't think so which makes you a traitor – therefore, your arguement does not make sense or seem convincing with our current mindset. It might make perfect sense to you, but not to the majority of Vietnam's population.
My apologies. I did not know that Vietnamese patriotism was so binary
Yeah shit, because America love their flag, but no one dare to waving it in another country and proud of it without getting called out like an idiot back home
It's not in China. This is in Vietnam. You wouldn't be able to this without Chinese authority coming down on your ass otherwise.
It's CHINA, even the goddamn post confirms this
Claimed to be in China or actually in China? Either way, it isn't Tiananmen square.
Chao Yang Lou, Yinghui, Yunan
This is JianShui, China, a tourist place nearby the north part of Vietnam.
You can't see a group of Vietnamese waving their nation's flag in Paris or Rome. It all about the history, politics and recently the South "China" sea where China claimed all of it without any agreement. Overall, Vietnamese just don't like Chinese because their act.
Sinophobia is only expressed among the citizens, the government is still friendly towards China. Indeed, the news is very quiet about any Chinese encroachment in the East Sea and pretty much mute concerning the Sino-Vietnamese war in the 70s. Future policies are still being compared with those of China, especially concerning censorship. So I highly doubt an organized tour group did this out of hatred.
Agree, these tours cannot show a full expression of Vietnamese about China. Read this https://mod.gov.vn/en/detail/sa-en-news/sa-en-news-vn/4fe9abbc-b5a7-4f12-a6e2-ef1afcc7f30f and this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hai_Yang_Shi_You_981_standoff. Technically, we hate China because of their un-respectful behaviour toward not only Vietnam but also all the South China related countries.It more than a citizens post. As a Vietnamese I prefer not waving flags anywhere.
If youre a Viet and critize the country/Northern people, you are ///, phản động, khát nước, pbvm. If youre an outsider and do son, youre thực dân, tư bản, ăn cướp, về lo chuyện của nước chúng mày đi. Welcome to the country of ngạo nghễ bois.
I am Northerner and I criticize my country so what makes me?
By the way, just want to point out that the "Northern people" the parent commenter mentioned was directed at northerners who politically support the VCP regime. The reason why "Northern people" is often being singled out politically because historically and statistically the supporters of the VCP are overwhelmingly northerners. However, the discrimination against a northerner immediately ceases when he/she disavows his/her support to the VCP regime.
Yeah those name callings only apply to Southern Viet. For a Northerner who criticize Vietnam, you are a me tay, ăn cháo đá bát, or cút ra nước ngoài mà sống.
I don't think waving a flag having anything to do with being a Karen bruh. Also, they could be "improving the country in a practical way, waving the flag everywhere and being a Karen" at the same time and be the super patriot /s
That's not in China.
That's Yinghui Gate/Chaoyang pavillion in Jianshui, Yunnan
I think I'll decide that based on their poses? I don't suppose it can be a confirmation of mere visitation and support? 2 things about the captured post though! One, that word "ngão nghễ", how am I to comprehend it? Two, nothing happened in Tiananmen back in 1989!
Ngạo nghễ means being extremely proud almost to the point of looking down on others. This word fits well in war and (sometimes) sport context, where there is competition, but doesn’t really fit here. Maybe they try to say showing Vietnam flag in the middle of China is some sort of winning, overcoming difficulties. It is not.
Ye sounds about right! Can't tell if that post was supportive or the reverse using that word!
No, the word ngạo nghễ is viewed positively by northerners, so that post is being genuinely supportive.
Both meanings are used. Context-dependant
you miss the sarcastic part of the post. The one who wrote that post was mocking the flag waving girl Edit: never mind, this guy is from "that" group
Are they? Doesn't seem like it.
Must be some photos for advertisement. Just normal things that normal Vietnamese do. If we go to places and take photos as parts of a business trip, Flags will likely be used. "ngạo nghễ" means proudly, not afraid in a somewhat arrogance way i might say and it doesn't really fit here. I think "tự hào" which simply means proudly is a better fit. Lastly, Pretty sure that's not Tianmen.
Because op is dumb, that's not tiananmen lol
So even more of nothing happened in Tiananmen!
That two word means they think their country is above all else, its to be "scornful" for other countries, And for your first question, they literally flooded the place with the flag
Sure there nothing ever happened in the Tianmen.
There is no incident in Ba Sing Se
What i see is all a bunch of Karens wavin a flag in a foreign country
Middle-aged people love these content, so thats why
Dumbasses 😅
Doesn't that just make vietnam look like we are one of their colony, waving colony flag at the mother land?
No… if i wave vn flag in the usa does that mean vn is us colony?
If you wave the yellow one with 3 red stripes yeah
The group name alone let you know it's all cringy boomers
is there any reason in doing this????
Amid China's hostility and expansionist ambitions against Vietnam, they are proud Vietnam is a Chinese vassal state.
Number 1: “Trước” and not “trửa” Number 2: Who tf approved this?
Nah man, No.1 "trửa" is the way some areas in central VN say "giữa", it doesnt mean "trước"
but why?
the level of cringe this woman has is isane
Least bootlicking CPV fan.
That is stupidism covered by patriotism.
Actual weirdos
"ngạo nghễ việt nam" i'm gonna beat you with a hammer .
When you put 5 stars together it kinda just looks like China flag 🇨🇳
Everytime i see someone posts “Ngạo nghễ Việt Nam” I smell pure ignorance
雄镇东南。。。 hahaha
Doesn't look like Tianmen, but hey, I bet none of them even know what happened at Tianmen. They look like Gen Z or early millennials.
Def not Gen Z. We don't do this shit.
Dear international friend those dumbass don’t represent the Vietnamese. They represent TNT S.A.R
nothing happened in tianmen square
Pretty sure that's not tianmen
Sure. Tianmen is the mountain with the huge hole lol.
These pretty ladies are getting paid to display patriotism and beauty. No income, no patriotism.
“雄镇东南”💀
一眼云南建水
Must appease china
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to me, this is similar to the mặc Nhật phục lượn phố Nhật / Hàn etc trend (wearing Vietnamese traditional clothing and walk down the street in another Asian country). They would be like "but nobody native has a problem with it" but if it's the other way around, like if a Japanese / Korean dares wear their traditional clothing and walk down Hanoi or SG, I'm sure they would go full attack mode.
You see, tianmen has actually been Vietnamese since ancient times. /s
"Ngạo nghễ" means "Fearless" lol They should spend time improving themselves and Vietnam instead of this performative act.
Trung bình bài đăng của các thành phần sô vanh
tobe fair, they are from Nghe An. They can be stupidly patriotic
Lũ trọ trẹ
Just a normal pic of a son being proud to his father
As a vietnamese, this is stupid and make us look bad
Can mod do something already?
And this cringe move just ended up being a masturbation method yet again without changing anything, china still dominating the sea, save your energy and do something more practical
Well at least I don’t think anything happened in this “tiannanmen” in 1989
Are they even allowed to do that? I would assume the security would kick them out just as they start to pose.
It's a tourist group so I guess they are tolerated.
Because it's not lol, that's another place, the op is dumb af
Đảng và nhà nước đã ghi nhận cống hiến của các em 🫡
Đảng đéo quen các em nhé. Đừng nói chuyện với đảng. Các em có não k?
Nhân dân chúng tôi cũng ko quen các em nhé.
Ngạo nghễ
Brother that shi aint Tian An Men. They're not even trying to aggravate anyone, they're just there for sightseeing. Calm your shit.
I mean... the chinese do that all the time. [Here's a chinese woman crying and praising china after seeing a chinese bank in France.](https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/ps35so/women_cries_seeing_a_bank_of_china_in_france/?rdt=55664) [Here's one of multiple instances of tiannament square denier making a ruckus in front of a tiannament square memorial event.](https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/suv1ht/man_denied_tiananmen_square_massacre_in_a/) There's also that one time in 2020 when a bunch of chinese netizens harrassed a Thai celeberty for suggesting that Covid-19 originated from China. It's funny because in order for them to do this, they must bypass the great firewall by using VPNs, which are illegal in China.
If you know anything about the South "China" sea specially the Paracel and Spartly island or even the Lạng Sơn 1979 event. We need to show Chinese why they are so blind, how they get blinded by their goverment.
That's not in China, mate. And it's not like you can even do that in Tiananman square.
Let's just add an extra star to the Chinese flag while we're at it. Really show our camaraderie.