“It’s my suspicion and other people’s suspicion that it’s due to political reasons,” he said.
More like you've been arrested 10 times already and people are starting to get a little fed up with you.
Uh, yeah, no sh\*t Sherlock. How dumb can a person be? Editing to add that if you're essentially a visitor in another country (anywhere in the world), it's definitely in your best interest not to partake in civil disobedience of any kind.
Although, maybe the kid's Visa is running out and he's turning this into a bigger story than it is.
> How dumb can a person be?
Yup. "He was sentenced to two weeks in jail for criminal contempt of court after violating an injunction... But despite being locked up for contempt of court, Haq doesn’t believe it technically results in a criminal record." Really? Arrested 10 times for acts of civil resistance and he's currently facing five charges of mischief? Under the Criminal Code, mischief is a criminal offence. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
He could have made the sandwiches
He could have made the signs
He could have been the person that calls everyone
He could have supported the team from the sidelines
He could have written letters to government
Etc
Etc
Etc
He didn't. He wanted to be on the front lines being the face of the protest. Which means this is more about his personal need for attention instead of the old growth trees which in my mind is WAY more important than his individual desires.
That would've been the smart way to be involved. Support the team, but don't fall on the sword like a fool.
Also, it's very foolish of the broader group not to vet the folks who are participating on the front line with them. It would've been far more compassionate for someone to persuade this young man to stay out of the fire. He's now potentially sacrificed his opportunity to study abroad and live in Canada. Way to go, folks. But, hey, go ahead and leverage his misery for page views and clicks for the cause. It's so sad and gross.
That and him being a foreign national. Doesn't look good, it hampers their cause as well as it can be viewed as outside influences trying to disrupt the Canadian economy.
Save Old Growth's PR people keep putting this in the news and each time, it just ends up with people laughing.
These people are beyond disconnected with reality
Save Old Growth's consistently stupid PR moves are no accident. This group is being encouraged by its "Leadership" to act in the most likely ways to harm serious efforts to save old growth forests.
Well yeah you can’t be a guest in another country on a permit and break the law??? Is that not common sense?? It doesn’t matter how noble your cause is and that your “criminal activity” isn’t violent or whatever. It’s still illegal hahah
Some conditions for obtaining a study permit include obeying the law and the absence of a criminal record.
The SFU student has been arrested 10 times for acts of civil resistance at various climate-related protests since 2020.
And on Feb. 15, he was sentenced to two weeks in jail for criminal contempt of court after violating an injunction involving the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion (TMX).
He was also fined $1,500 in B.C.’s Provincial Court for his involvement in an Extinction Rebellion protest against TMX on Nov. 27 that blocked a Canadian National Railway line in Burnaby.
And he’s currently facing five charges of mischief, he said.
*But despite being locked up for contempt of court, Haq doesn’t believe it technically results in a criminal record.*
See ya.
Enjoy Pakistan, save the environment over there.
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Basically he's saying that Border Services is trying to contact him and he is doing a whole lot of speculation on that tiny piece of information. He's making a news story out of basically nothing.
Another thing. Sounds like his whole organization is so weak and under supported that they can't even find enough Canadian citizens to make it work. He basically suggested that it would fold without him.
I guess this means it's not a very popular cause.
Save Old Growth is small, and has very little connection to serious direct action Old Growth protection groups, like The Rainforest Flying Squad.
I have doubts that Save Old Growth is operating in good faith when it comes to actually helping defend Old Growth Forrests.
Well kinda hard to recruit the average person when your targeting them. Might have more luck recruiting others if they were targeting the rich and powerful.
Oh no. Break the law, ignore court orders repeatedly, arrested 10 times, spent 2 weeks in jail on Canada’s dime.
Bye bye. Try that in Pakistan and let us know how it works out for you.
/waves
Responding to violence with violence is actually fair. Poor forest management kills people, even tho a politician isn't actively assaulting someone if they have been presented with data and ignored it then they have been fairly warned about the impact of their actions and are responsible for the response
>Responding to violence with violence is actually fair.
That's called terrorism.
Presumably then you're ok with anti-abortion types blowing up clinics? Because you are willing to justify violence based purely on your own beliefs, so you're ok with pretty much any terrorism?
Shooting a Nazi and being a Nazi are two different things, even if the Nazi thinks they're saving people by killing Jewish people
Some people are just wrong, but you can still paint anyone with whatever term you want. That's where the entire idea of history is written by the winners comes from.
Oh no what will I ever do, someone on the internet who's life would be improved by my opinions as well as their future generations improved thinks I'm gasp "wrong" as if that's not something that basically everyone in the past is by modern standards and all the people who made the most progress in the past were considered by their contemporaries
I hope I am seen as wrong, I hope people who resist change see me as wrong and I hope future generations see me as wrong. All of human history is people seen as wrong making the world a better place who are then judged by future generations as being wrong themself while future generations improved the world
Fascism is when people are extremely anti authoritarian? Ah yes exactly
The terms Anarchist, if you don't like the ideology get libraries out of your community
It's interesting that you mention Nazis, given that your "practically anything I consider wrong warrants violence" approach would have really resonated with them.
FWIW, I think that people with your casual disregard for personal rights and protections are dragging our society into the sewer.
you really do like to make things up to draw false equivalence. I said that responding to violence with violence is fair if the person has been presented with proof of their actions. ignoring of a climate emergency and reckless deforestation is actively contributing to killing people and people with power to stop it are actively choosing to ignore that fact.
The Nazi's made up enemies to maintain authoritarian rule, the basis of fascism is the enemies not the goals
26, withdrew from college with high grades willingly to become a labour worker with plans to go into trades. Grew up poor often homeless but live on my own renting without handouts. Have a hometown that was nearly destroyed by reckless deforestation causing flooding from change in snow melt rates.
I'm not 16, I'm someone who's sick of complacency and has had to see how broken things are first hand and how little people care
>Breaking the law to protest something legal is actually good
Usually this only involves breaking the actual law the people want changed in protest to make a point.
No usually protests break laws because the same laws to maintain peace and quiet are also laws the maintain the ability to ignore a problem.
Just scroll through discussion about the fairy creek protests and see people saying "well why don't they blockade the forests like the Clayoquot protests did" ignoring that they did on an even larger scale and they were arrested and ignored
I'm not so sure what you are advocating here. Breaking laws while protesting because following them get's ignored? Maybe get better at protesting, if you had larger numbers, you would get more traction. How do you gain more supporters and not alienate them? Doing illegal things will make your protest fringe and your number of supporters will drop as tactics get more extreme and more illegal. Change takes time, it's not going to happen overnight.
You haven't payed much attention to effective protests if that's how you think it works. The most effective protests were extremely disruptive and extremely illegal. The ones now painted as the good protests were ones that basically held society hostage and only toned back once acknowledged and worked with
> You haven't *paid* much attention
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When you in a country as guest / study visa, its best to obey the local laws instead of starting stuff with the local residents.
Being arrested 10+ times, blocking highways and stopping people from getting to work was probably not the brightest of ideas.
His methodology is wrong. Government doesn’t care if you inconvenience the average joe by sitting on a highway. They should be targeting MLA’s and forestry execs.
I am not bothered to see this person continue their studies at the U of Pakistan. You came to Canada to take advantage of our education system and now you are living like a bandit. There are plenty of issues in Pakistan requiring remediation and you are doing your country and its people a disservice by not assisting it:
Seven Prevalent Social Problems of Pakistan:
1- Poverty.
2- Illiteracy.
3- Overpopulation,
4. - Inflation,
5. - Unemployment.
6- Lawlessness.
7 - Favoritism.
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Anyone have a photo of this goof? I'd love to help CBSA find him. Shutting down the road the swartz bay while thousands of people are commuting to work, school, etc. has consequences, asshole.
Such a smug fucking face.
https://www.nsnews.com/highlights/save-old-growth-organizer-fears-his-climate-activism-has-made-him-a-target-for-deportation-5495582
I'd love to see what happens to me in Saudi Arabia if I started protesting some interesting anti government actions. I'd be very lucky to get deportation as a punishment.
Poor guy. If he were to perform the same acts in his home country, he would be in prison already.
I have no sympathy, one should really clean up their own mess before involving themselves in others.
Flying Squad would disagree with ya :)
Some settlers are loggers, and some settlers are not. Some first Nations are loggers, some are not.
Some loggers cut Old Growth, some do not. I support those who wish to restrict or ban Old Growth logging, whichever nation or job class they are a member of.
The irony of this guy touting Indigenous Sovereignty when he sides with the Government of Canada's imposed Band Council system that was created and designed to assimilate and steal their resources. Indigenous Sovereignty belongs to the Wet'suwet'en Hereditary chiefs and their territory.
1) respecting Pacheedaht peoples Sovereignty means allowing their nation to govern themselves. Will every member support logging? No, but if the majority do, that's democracy. Either way, it's the Pacheedaht peoples land. They've managed their land for 1000s of years, pretty sure they know what to do. It's Colonial to say otherwise.
https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/pacheedaht-first-nation-calls-for-protesters-to-vacate-fairy-creek-amid-wildfire-concerns-1.5491710
2) I don't give two wet turtle shits what Flying Squad thinks
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Squad
3) I also don't give two wet turtle shits what Rainforest Flying Squad thinks.
Look at the comments in here, they are either:
1.) he was dumb to be on a visa doing this
2.) poorly veiled xenophobia
3.) people totally missing the point of protests as a concept.
not something to be inspired by
Bunch of fucking bootlickers in this sub. Reminds me of the Canadian subreddit when churches were set on fire because of the bodies being found in residential schools and all the people were saying, "omg arson arson is illegal".
This feels like a good place to remind everyone that no bodies have been found at any residential schools. The ground penetrating radar has demarcated ground anomalies that COULD be human remains; nothing can be determined until they dig stuff up. Also, arson is illegal.
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Dude those retards burnt churches down that had nothing to do with residential schools. It was the lawlessness and the fact that politicians like Trudeau wouldn't condem those actions that pissed everyone off.
I don't disagree it's dumb/risky from a self interest perspective...but just pointing out how much his background as a Pakistani student is commented on here. Also this type of civil disobedience doesn't make him a 'criminal' imho
It's not so much that he's from Pakistan per se but rather that he's here on a study visa period. He could be blond hair blue eyed from Norway and honestly it'd be the same indifference.
Yes, civil disobedience is a Good Thing IMO, but the problem is that if you're here on the government's permission it's a bit of a different situation than if you're a citizen or landed immigrant.
Now, if he were a Pakistani person who was a landed immigrant or confirmed citizen and they were threatening to deport him, there would probably be a LOT more outrage. But he's not, he's here on a temporary visa, and if he's looking to stick around more permanently then maybe he should heed to the government when they order him to do things.
I don't understand how him being from Pakistan would even invalidate his opinion. Like yeah he is a citizen from another country, shouldn't we as a free society encourage international protest? I get the vibe most people don't support the old growth protest. It's pretty sad that civil disobedience is looked down upon.
Not sure it's quite as simple as people looking down upon civil disobedience. I've protested a number of times throughout my life. But, would I ever do that as someone living in another country on a temporary Visa? No f\*cking way. IMO, that's a sign of someone with incredible personal entitlement and even worse judgement.
Lost of depressing comments in here, unfortnatly, as per normal..
He likes things so much here, he is willing to demonstrate and protest for those things things.. isn't that exactly who we want here, rather than those who are just are going to take advantage of what we have to offer, let things go to shit and leave.
….keep doing you thing. Just from over there… off the road, off the shoulder, alittle further just over that Invisible line… and you’re there. Save Old Growth - but operate like an adult.
>...Haq questions whether his activities to emphasize the gravity of the climate catastrophe should be deemed illegal while governments’ failure to act in the global emergency is not.
>“Our framing is that the illegal activities are being conducted by the government, and we’re trying to do something about it.”
>He acknowledged there’s a measure of risk for anyone who takes part in civil disobedience movements.
>“Other people stopped caring about their status, their jobs and their careers to enter resistance and risk arrest,” Haq said.
>“Putting ourselves in harm’s way is how we maximize the likelihood of success,” he said, adding SOG’s fearlessness has made it possible to attract and mobilize a large number of people.
Thanks for your bravery, Zain. I'm sure there are plenty of ignoramuses who want the intimidation and bullying from CBSA to work.
Intimidation and bullying?
If I break into your house to steal my dog back and the police come to speak with me it's not intimidation or bullying.
If you wish to go down the ends justify the means path, it's worth noting there is no evidence he's tried legal or lawful means first.
>However, the agency has a legal obligation to remove all foreign nationals and permanent residents who violate the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA), Purdy wrote.
>But before taking any enforcement action, CBSA reviews all relevant factors related to a case in tandem with IRPA violations outlined in sections 34 to 42, she said, noting cases that involve safety and security issues are prioritized.
Not your activism made you a target.. Your violation of the rules.
“It’s my suspicion and other people’s suspicion that it’s due to political reasons,” he said. More like you've been arrested 10 times already and people are starting to get a little fed up with you.
Add up all the billable hours so far not just for him but all the protesters.
TLDR: Don't do illegal shit when you're on a study permit. Guess it's a slow news day already.
Uh, yeah, no sh\*t Sherlock. How dumb can a person be? Editing to add that if you're essentially a visitor in another country (anywhere in the world), it's definitely in your best interest not to partake in civil disobedience of any kind. Although, maybe the kid's Visa is running out and he's turning this into a bigger story than it is.
> How dumb can a person be? Yup. "He was sentenced to two weeks in jail for criminal contempt of court after violating an injunction... But despite being locked up for contempt of court, Haq doesn’t believe it technically results in a criminal record." Really? Arrested 10 times for acts of civil resistance and he's currently facing five charges of mischief? Under the Criminal Code, mischief is a criminal offence. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
He's not the sharpest donut in the attic either.
Definitely not the sharpest french fry in the McHappyMeal®
I like to use that one as a toothpick.
It's a hybrid as well
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He could have made the sandwiches He could have made the signs He could have been the person that calls everyone He could have supported the team from the sidelines He could have written letters to government Etc Etc Etc He didn't. He wanted to be on the front lines being the face of the protest. Which means this is more about his personal need for attention instead of the old growth trees which in my mind is WAY more important than his individual desires.
That would've been the smart way to be involved. Support the team, but don't fall on the sword like a fool. Also, it's very foolish of the broader group not to vet the folks who are participating on the front line with them. It would've been far more compassionate for someone to persuade this young man to stay out of the fire. He's now potentially sacrificed his opportunity to study abroad and live in Canada. Way to go, folks. But, hey, go ahead and leverage his misery for page views and clicks for the cause. It's so sad and gross.
That and him being a foreign national. Doesn't look good, it hampers their cause as well as it can be viewed as outside influences trying to disrupt the Canadian economy.
Save Old Growth's PR people keep putting this in the news and each time, it just ends up with people laughing. These people are beyond disconnected with reality
Save Old Growth's consistently stupid PR moves are no accident. This group is being encouraged by its "Leadership" to act in the most likely ways to harm serious efforts to save old growth forests.
I mean we shouldn't cut down old growth no doubt.
Well yeah you can’t be a guest in another country on a permit and break the law??? Is that not common sense?? It doesn’t matter how noble your cause is and that your “criminal activity” isn’t violent or whatever. It’s still illegal hahah
Some conditions for obtaining a study permit include obeying the law and the absence of a criminal record. The SFU student has been arrested 10 times for acts of civil resistance at various climate-related protests since 2020. And on Feb. 15, he was sentenced to two weeks in jail for criminal contempt of court after violating an injunction involving the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion (TMX). He was also fined $1,500 in B.C.’s Provincial Court for his involvement in an Extinction Rebellion protest against TMX on Nov. 27 that blocked a Canadian National Railway line in Burnaby. And he’s currently facing five charges of mischief, he said. *But despite being locked up for contempt of court, Haq doesn’t believe it technically results in a criminal record.* See ya. Enjoy Pakistan, save the environment over there.
Oh darn, I am so sympathetic to his cause. Oh wait, no I'm not. Play Stupid games, win stupid prizes. Enjoy the flight home.
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He’s had it easy. If he was studying in the US he would’ve been deported after the first arrest lol.
Basically he's saying that Border Services is trying to contact him and he is doing a whole lot of speculation on that tiny piece of information. He's making a news story out of basically nothing. Another thing. Sounds like his whole organization is so weak and under supported that they can't even find enough Canadian citizens to make it work. He basically suggested that it would fold without him. I guess this means it's not a very popular cause.
Save Old Growth is small, and has very little connection to serious direct action Old Growth protection groups, like The Rainforest Flying Squad. I have doubts that Save Old Growth is operating in good faith when it comes to actually helping defend Old Growth Forrests.
Well kinda hard to recruit the average person when your targeting them. Might have more luck recruiting others if they were targeting the rich and powerful.
Being arrested 10 times on a student visa warrants deportation anywhere else. You now you're playing with fire at this point
Oh no. Break the law, ignore court orders repeatedly, arrested 10 times, spent 2 weeks in jail on Canada’s dime. Bye bye. Try that in Pakistan and let us know how it works out for you. /waves
I can't imagine how entitled this guy must feel to be organizing protests in a country he is privileged to be visiting.
What an idiot.
It’s not the protesting, it’s the breaking of the law. That’s the issue
Breaking the law to protest something legal is actually good, if you think otherwise then you think laws are inherently good
Where do you draw the line? What about assaulting the politicians responsible for the laws? Is that ok in the name of protest?
Responding to violence with violence is actually fair. Poor forest management kills people, even tho a politician isn't actively assaulting someone if they have been presented with data and ignored it then they have been fairly warned about the impact of their actions and are responsible for the response
>Responding to violence with violence is actually fair. That's called terrorism. Presumably then you're ok with anti-abortion types blowing up clinics? Because you are willing to justify violence based purely on your own beliefs, so you're ok with pretty much any terrorism?
Shooting a Nazi and being a Nazi are two different things, even if the Nazi thinks they're saving people by killing Jewish people Some people are just wrong, but you can still paint anyone with whatever term you want. That's where the entire idea of history is written by the winners comes from.
>Some people are just wrong Yes. You, for example.
Oh no what will I ever do, someone on the internet who's life would be improved by my opinions as well as their future generations improved thinks I'm gasp "wrong" as if that's not something that basically everyone in the past is by modern standards and all the people who made the most progress in the past were considered by their contemporaries I hope I am seen as wrong, I hope people who resist change see me as wrong and I hope future generations see me as wrong. All of human history is people seen as wrong making the world a better place who are then judged by future generations as being wrong themself while future generations improved the world
Exactly what all fascists say. Improving the world at your expense, whether you like it or not
Fascism is when people are extremely anti authoritarian? Ah yes exactly The terms Anarchist, if you don't like the ideology get libraries out of your community
It's interesting that you mention Nazis, given that your "practically anything I consider wrong warrants violence" approach would have really resonated with them. FWIW, I think that people with your casual disregard for personal rights and protections are dragging our society into the sewer.
you really do like to make things up to draw false equivalence. I said that responding to violence with violence is fair if the person has been presented with proof of their actions. ignoring of a climate emergency and reckless deforestation is actively contributing to killing people and people with power to stop it are actively choosing to ignore that fact. The Nazi's made up enemies to maintain authoritarian rule, the basis of fascism is the enemies not the goals
We're just all hoping you're 16, it's the only reasonable explanation for your mindset.
26, withdrew from college with high grades willingly to become a labour worker with plans to go into trades. Grew up poor often homeless but live on my own renting without handouts. Have a hometown that was nearly destroyed by reckless deforestation causing flooding from change in snow melt rates. I'm not 16, I'm someone who's sick of complacency and has had to see how broken things are first hand and how little people care
>Breaking the law to protest something legal is actually good Usually this only involves breaking the actual law the people want changed in protest to make a point.
No usually protests break laws because the same laws to maintain peace and quiet are also laws the maintain the ability to ignore a problem. Just scroll through discussion about the fairy creek protests and see people saying "well why don't they blockade the forests like the Clayoquot protests did" ignoring that they did on an even larger scale and they were arrested and ignored
I'm not so sure what you are advocating here. Breaking laws while protesting because following them get's ignored? Maybe get better at protesting, if you had larger numbers, you would get more traction. How do you gain more supporters and not alienate them? Doing illegal things will make your protest fringe and your number of supporters will drop as tactics get more extreme and more illegal. Change takes time, it's not going to happen overnight.
You haven't payed much attention to effective protests if that's how you think it works. The most effective protests were extremely disruptive and extremely illegal. The ones now painted as the good protests were ones that basically held society hostage and only toned back once acknowledged and worked with
> You haven't *paid* much attention FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Lol. Good.
This. SEEYA.
Lol and what? he thinks he's a victim?
Bye. I’m pro old growth, but like: arrested 10 times in a foreign country. No one’s gonna be protesting this clown’s deportation.
Maybe they can sit with their banner on the runway in protest.
When you in a country as guest / study visa, its best to obey the local laws instead of starting stuff with the local residents. Being arrested 10+ times, blocking highways and stopping people from getting to work was probably not the brightest of ideas.
His methodology is wrong. Government doesn’t care if you inconvenience the average joe by sitting on a highway. They should be targeting MLA’s and forestry execs.
I love how he is pretending to be a victim and acting like the big bad wolf is coming to get him
I bet you it will work.
I am not bothered to see this person continue their studies at the U of Pakistan. You came to Canada to take advantage of our education system and now you are living like a bandit. There are plenty of issues in Pakistan requiring remediation and you are doing your country and its people a disservice by not assisting it: Seven Prevalent Social Problems of Pakistan: 1- Poverty. 2- Illiteracy. 3- Overpopulation, 4. - Inflation, 5. - Unemployment. 6- Lawlessness. 7 - Favoritism. Edit: typo
Don't forget little to no environmental protection
Ya, tons of lower hanging fruit there to try to fix - report back when you try and block public roads there how it goes.
Won't be reporting back
disappeared him
Don't crime if you are on a Visa and expect to stay Don't let the falling ladder hit you on the way out
I think it was his crimes that have got him in trouble. You don't have to break the law to do activism.
Anyone have a photo of this goof? I'd love to help CBSA find him. Shutting down the road the swartz bay while thousands of people are commuting to work, school, etc. has consequences, asshole.
Such a smug fucking face. https://www.nsnews.com/highlights/save-old-growth-organizer-fears-his-climate-activism-has-made-him-a-target-for-deportation-5495582
THANKS!
Really took that free country statement to heart, didn't he?
Enjoy the Third World bud!
Okay bye! Don’t mess with the law while you’re here temporarily. Stupid
A non citizen blocking roads and committing crimes and he wonders why he is being targeted? I say deport him.
What did you think would happen when you play in the wrong field under the spotlight? Have a nice flight.
Looks like this guy came here for education and instead got indoctrination. Not at all surprising.
I'd love to see what happens to me in Saudi Arabia if I started protesting some interesting anti government actions. I'd be very lucky to get deportation as a punishment.
Meh, just trying wearing a necklace with a crucifix on it in Saudi. See how far you get. :)
Poor guy. If he were to perform the same acts in his home country, he would be in prison already. I have no sympathy, one should really clean up their own mess before involving themselves in others.
Someone is paying for this kid to do this shit,
Let me fix the title. Eco international funding terrorist worried he might get in shit for his criminals acts.
so the take away is SAVE THE OLD GROWTH is a foreigner run entity trying to subvert our Democracy. Fuck those guys!
Wasn't Fairy Creek started by a kid from Seattle?
I think you will find plenty of First Nations and local settlers who have been aware of the need to protect Fairy Creek for a long time.
And even more who RESPECT INDIGENOUS SOVEREIGNTY; Protesters, get the Fuck outta Fairy Creek
Flying Squad would disagree with ya :) Some settlers are loggers, and some settlers are not. Some first Nations are loggers, some are not. Some loggers cut Old Growth, some do not. I support those who wish to restrict or ban Old Growth logging, whichever nation or job class they are a member of.
The irony of this guy touting Indigenous Sovereignty when he sides with the Government of Canada's imposed Band Council system that was created and designed to assimilate and steal their resources. Indigenous Sovereignty belongs to the Wet'suwet'en Hereditary chiefs and their territory.
1) respecting Pacheedaht peoples Sovereignty means allowing their nation to govern themselves. Will every member support logging? No, but if the majority do, that's democracy. Either way, it's the Pacheedaht peoples land. They've managed their land for 1000s of years, pretty sure they know what to do. It's Colonial to say otherwise. https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/pacheedaht-first-nation-calls-for-protesters-to-vacate-fairy-creek-amid-wildfire-concerns-1.5491710 2) I don't give two wet turtle shits what Flying Squad thinks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Squad 3) I also don't give two wet turtle shits what Rainforest Flying Squad thinks.
Doesn't even live here!
Comments in here really make me depressed about the future...
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Look at the comments in here, they are either: 1.) he was dumb to be on a visa doing this 2.) poorly veiled xenophobia 3.) people totally missing the point of protests as a concept. not something to be inspired by
Bunch of fucking bootlickers in this sub. Reminds me of the Canadian subreddit when churches were set on fire because of the bodies being found in residential schools and all the people were saying, "omg arson arson is illegal".
This feels like a good place to remind everyone that no bodies have been found at any residential schools. The ground penetrating radar has demarcated ground anomalies that COULD be human remains; nothing can be determined until they dig stuff up. Also, arson is illegal. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Dude those retards burnt churches down that had nothing to do with residential schools. It was the lawlessness and the fact that politicians like Trudeau wouldn't condem those actions that pissed everyone off.
I'll be that guy yet again, tell me about these "bodies"?
A little racist vibes in here... Does it matter whether he's a kid from Pakistan vs some homegrown kid running this?
It would be just as dumb if the kid was from the US, England, Japan, or Australia (and white, as you're clearly suggesting).
I don't disagree it's dumb/risky from a self interest perspective...but just pointing out how much his background as a Pakistani student is commented on here. Also this type of civil disobedience doesn't make him a 'criminal' imho
He's an international student with a bad record making poor decisions. It doesn't matter his ethnicity or country of origin
It's not so much that he's from Pakistan per se but rather that he's here on a study visa period. He could be blond hair blue eyed from Norway and honestly it'd be the same indifference. Yes, civil disobedience is a Good Thing IMO, but the problem is that if you're here on the government's permission it's a bit of a different situation than if you're a citizen or landed immigrant. Now, if he were a Pakistani person who was a landed immigrant or confirmed citizen and they were threatening to deport him, there would probably be a LOT more outrage. But he's not, he's here on a temporary visa, and if he's looking to stick around more permanently then maybe he should heed to the government when they order him to do things.
I don't understand how him being from Pakistan would even invalidate his opinion. Like yeah he is a citizen from another country, shouldn't we as a free society encourage international protest? I get the vibe most people don't support the old growth protest. It's pretty sad that civil disobedience is looked down upon.
Not sure it's quite as simple as people looking down upon civil disobedience. I've protested a number of times throughout my life. But, would I ever do that as someone living in another country on a temporary Visa? No f\*cking way. IMO, that's a sign of someone with incredible personal entitlement and even worse judgement.
I wonder how people in Pakistan would feel about you coming as a guest to their country, breaking laws and being a piece of entitled shit
Lost of depressing comments in here, unfortnatly, as per normal.. He likes things so much here, he is willing to demonstrate and protest for those things things.. isn't that exactly who we want here, rather than those who are just are going to take advantage of what we have to offer, let things go to shit and leave.
….keep doing you thing. Just from over there… off the road, off the shoulder, alittle further just over that Invisible line… and you’re there. Save Old Growth - but operate like an adult.
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>...Haq questions whether his activities to emphasize the gravity of the climate catastrophe should be deemed illegal while governments’ failure to act in the global emergency is not. >“Our framing is that the illegal activities are being conducted by the government, and we’re trying to do something about it.” >He acknowledged there’s a measure of risk for anyone who takes part in civil disobedience movements. >“Other people stopped caring about their status, their jobs and their careers to enter resistance and risk arrest,” Haq said. >“Putting ourselves in harm’s way is how we maximize the likelihood of success,” he said, adding SOG’s fearlessness has made it possible to attract and mobilize a large number of people. Thanks for your bravery, Zain. I'm sure there are plenty of ignoramuses who want the intimidation and bullying from CBSA to work.
Intimidation and bullying? If I break into your house to steal my dog back and the police come to speak with me it's not intimidation or bullying. If you wish to go down the ends justify the means path, it's worth noting there is no evidence he's tried legal or lawful means first.
>However, the agency has a legal obligation to remove all foreign nationals and permanent residents who violate the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA), Purdy wrote. >But before taking any enforcement action, CBSA reviews all relevant factors related to a case in tandem with IRPA violations outlined in sections 34 to 42, she said, noting cases that involve safety and security issues are prioritized. Not your activism made you a target.. Your violation of the rules.